New York City's Taxicab Rider Bill of Rights

[Sean of the Thread]

NEW YORK -- The yellow cab pulled over to pick up a passenger across from the Empire State Building as its driver, Mahbub Hossain, chatted on his cellphone headset.

If this had been a test, Hossain would have ended up with a $200 fine.

"Driving a cab while talking on a cellphone is not allowed in New York, and neither is honking excessively, treating customers rudely, not speaking English or refusing to allow customers to pay with a credit card, according to the city's newly revised Taxicab Rider Bill of Rights."

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-taxi30jan30,0,5102922.story
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I love it.

[Tsa`ah]

"It's totally annoying," Hossain said after hanging up his cellphone to answer a reporter's questions. "We don't think it's fair."

A father of two, the 38-year-old has driven a cab for a decade. Last year, he and fellow drivers went on strike twice to protest the city's new mandatory credit card machines and automatic mapping systems. Since then, he said, his car lease payments have increased because of the $3,000 machine installation costs; he also is losing money on the 5% credit card fee.

And this statement is bullshit why?

Tax deductible.

It's pretty damn funny these guys are crying about having to provide good customer service and losing their ability to rip off their fares and cheat on their taxes.

The way I look at it, if I have to pay 60-90 bucks for a ride to or from the airport in a cab that smells like swamp ass, the least they could do is put down the cell phone, drive safely, lay off the fucking horn, not assail my ears with a flood of obscenities ... and then insult me one way or another during the ride, or at the drop off.

[diethx]

The way I look at it, if I have to pay 60-90 bucks for a ride to or from the airport in a cab that smells like swamp ass, the least they could do is put down the cell phone, drive safely, lay off the fucking horn, not assail my ears with a flood of obscenities ... and then insult me one way or another during the ride, or at the drop off.

A cab from LaGuardia to anywhere in Manhattan costs a flat fee of like 35 bucks (plus tip), not 60-90. While I haven't flown into or out of Kennedy in forever, i'm almost positive that it's the same cost as LGA.

[Tsa`ah]

Then call it a case of visitor rape ... or things changing. I assumed it normal considering a 10 minute cab ride down 94 from Detroit Metro to Mack Ave was 50 bucks, and that was verified with a reserved pick up.

[Sean of the Thread]

People actually tip cabbies more than the rounded up change?

I will say my trip to Charlotte resulted in one of the best fucking cannon ball run type cab rides ever. I had said to him something along the lines of "WTF ARE YOU GOING THIS WAY FOR... ripping the tourist off?" He responded with something like "OH YOU WANT TO GET THERE FAST THIS IS THE WAY (motherfucka under his breath). Fishtails and high speed followed with sparks flying.

I think I dropped him an extra $20.

[diethx]

Kind of hard to get raped even as a visitor when the city and airport fares are posted on the back of the glass separating the front and back seats.

[diethx]

I rarely take cabs these days, mostly only when going to or from LGA, but when I do I usually tip a few bucks, yeah.

[Tsa`ah]

Kind of hard to get raped even as a visitor when the city and airport fares are posted on the back of the glass separating the front and back seats.

I've been in a number of cabs in NY and the area ... I've never seen such a sign in a cab leaving the airport.

So it's your estimation that the cab jockeys, who would never ever cheat on their taxes, over charge, or rip off visitors by taking the longest possible route to a destination .... would "notice" if there wasn't a fare chart in the back seat ... visible to customers at all times.

Riiiiight.

So now I understand why the emo tears welled up ...

[diethx]

I've been in a number of cabs in NY and the area ... I've never seen such a sign in a cab leaving the airport.

So it's your estimation that the cab jockeys, who would never ever cheat on their taxes, over charge, or rip off visitors by taking the longest possible route to a destination .... would "notice" if there wasn't a fare chart in the back seat ... visible to customers at all times.

Riiiiight.

So now I understand why the emo tears welled up ...

Maybe you should open up your eyes then? They're right there on the back of the glass. Every single cab i've taken out of LGA in the past like 5 years has had them.

Don't be a fucking dumbass, kk. And if you're going to try and insult me, could you at least use something YOU come up with? It's pretty pathetic and damn unoriginal when you try to reuse my own comments.

[Tsa`ah]

That's because you're comments appear to be an accurate reflection.

Aside from that ... I doubt you have seen the dividing glass of every NY cab and I haven't been to NY for any reason in about 4-5 years.

[diethx]

That's because you're comments appear to be an accurate reflection.

Aside from that ... I doubt you have seen the dividing glass of every NY cab and I haven't been to NY for any reason in about 4-5 years.

You've gotta be one of the biggest blowhards on these boards, I swear, and it's hilarious. No, of course I haven't seen the inside of every cab in the city. However, I've been on the cab line at LGA enough times in the past few years to know that all the rides you get out of there are fairly new and updated, with the dividers, and the maps of the city+fare lists on those dividers.

Oh, and, it's YOUR.

[Tsa`ah]

Congrats on having rides and experiences in cabs that differ from my own? I guess ...

And YAY YOU! You corrected a mistake .... want a gold star now? Or is that sense of "winning on the internet" enough for you?

[Killer Kitten]

The way I look at it, if I have to pay 60-90 bucks for a ride to or from the airport in a cab that smells like swamp ass, the least they could do is put down the cell phone, drive safely, lay off the fucking horn, not assail my ears with a flood of obscenities ... and then insult me one way or another during the ride, or at the drop off.

But... but... but... A cab ride like that is part of the New York experience! You want a clean cab with an attentive and safe driver who doesn't rip you off and then tell you to go fuck yourself? Ewwww, you might as well be in PITTSBURGH or something!

[Arkans]

Well, I went to New York recently and got suckered into paying $40 (split fair, luckily) for a trip that would have cost $2 on the subway. Who said ignorance isn't expensive?

Frankly, I believe the Bill of Rights is garbage. Inform yourself and you won't get a shitty ride, simple as that. While we are at it, let's get rid of this whole medallion business. Why can't anyone just operate their own cab? It makes zero sense for cab drivers to have to subscribe to this heavily regulated industry.

[CrystalTears]

Aside from that ... I doubt you have seen the dividing glass of every NY cab and I haven't been to NY for any reason in about 4-5 years.
Holy fuck. Even when you admit that you haven't been to an area in years you're still arguing it?

[Bobmuhthol]

Unless shit changed in the last 3 months, NYC cabs definitely have a detailed breakdown of all charges exactly where diethx described.

[Parkbandit]

Holy fuck. Even when you admit that you haven't been to an area in years you're still arguing it?


Welcome to debating anything with Tsa'ah. He's right and everyone is obviously wrong. Google told him so.

[Gan]

:lol:

Stop it please. You're going to make Tsa'ah cry now.


On topic:
When I flew in to Pittsburgh I saw the fares posted in the waiting area where the taxis picked up fares, and also saw them in the cab. Not every cab I took had the dividing glass so I cant say the were posted 'there'.

[Celephais]

NYC Taxicab Bill of Rights: Don't forget to use your goddamn shoutouts. You've got one question left and two strikes and you're not sure? Don't guess you Rtard, shout that shit out!

And video bonuses are a given, your cabbie'll try to tell you that it's a harder question, but that's bullshit; double down!

[Arkans]

I love Cash Cab.

- Arkans

[Gan]

...let's get rid of this whole medallion business.

Considering what that would do to the street congestion and the safety factor of available cabs, that wouldnt be a great idea.

[Arkans]

What would it do?

You have the cabs inspected and drivers are licensed.

Congestion becomes less of a factor when there are so many cabs on the road that the business becomes unprofitable or less efficient and the numbers reduce naturally.

- Arkans

[Gan]

Without the medallion, the only barrier to entry is owning a vehicle.

So any joe with seat space could technically be a cab. Therefore less efficient wont be as huge a factor as it would be thousands on thousands of cabs fighting over road space, parking space, and customers.

Can you imagine how hard it would be to inspect and track licenses on the increased number of cabs that would suddenly surge into the market if you lifted the medallions. Who's going to pay for that?

*Ironically enough the medallion system flies in the face of free market systems, which appeals to my economist side. However, at the price of a smaller efficiency a larger efficiency is gained in not congesting the already crowded streets of NYC, IMO.

[Arkans]

The barriers become licensing, proper plates, as well as fees + applicable taxes.

The people applying for the cab licenses foot the bill. It's no different than applying for a commercial license plate. Keep everything the same, the licensing, inspection, fees and taxes required to get into the business, but get rid of the medallions.

By the same token we should also limit the amount of cars in the cities as well? I mean, imagine if every citizen wanted to have one?

- Arkans

[Gan]

The barriers become licensing, proper plates, as well as fees + applicable taxes.

The people applying for the cab licenses foot the bill. It's no different than applying for a commercial license plate. Keep everything the same, the licensing, inspection, fees and taxes required to get into the business, but get rid of the medallions.
So the efficiency gained by lowering the barrier to competition resulting in lower rates/fares is lost by jacking the prices back up to cover additional liscenses, fees, and regulation costs used to monitor and enforce the business. Where's the benefit seen?


By the same token we should also limit the amount of cars in the cities as well? I mean, imagine if every citizen wanted to have one?
Regulating business activity is not the same as regulation of personal freedoms. Since this is not an applicable nor similar analagy/comparison, a response is not even necessary.

[Arkans]

It's a lot easier to get into a business that doesn't have a hard cap put on it. Also, the business isn't dominated by corporate fleets of cabs.

You're right about the freedom, so let's change it from personal owner ship to delivery vehicles, ect.

- Arkans

[Gan]

1930s - Medallions
During the Great Depression (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Depression) New York had as many as 30,000 cab drivers. With more cab drivers than passengers cab drivers were working longer hours and there were concerns about the maintenance of the vehicles. In considering how to handle the situation, the city considered creating a taxi monopoly (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monopoly). The plan was abandoned after Mayor Jimmy Walker (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Walker) was accused of accepting a bribe from the Parmelee Company, the largest taxi company.

In 1937 Mayor Fiorello H. La Guardia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiorello_H._La_Guardia) signed the Haas Act, which introduced official taxi licenses and the medallion system that remains in place today.

The law limited the number of licenses 16,900 but the number dwindled to 11,787 and a limit which continued until 1996 when the TLC added 133 cabs.[5] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxicabs_of_New_York_City#_note-3). Since then more medallions have been added to the fleet and the city still only has around 13,000 medallions.[6] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxicabs_of_New_York_City#_note-4)

The medallions which could not be sold for a simple $10 renewal fee during the 1930s are now worth hundreds of thousands of dollars with medallions topping $600,000 in 2007[7] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxicabs_of_New_York_City#_note-5)

While medallion taxicabs in New York are always yellow, car service vehicles may be any color but yellow, and are usually black. For this reason, these taxi operators are sometimes called “black car” services.

Despite the de jure prohibition on picking up passengers who hail on the street, some livery cabs nevertheless do so anyway, often to make extra money. When a livery cab engages in street pick-ups, it becomes known as a "gypsy cab." They are often found in areas not routinely visited by medallion cabs, and authorities tend to turn a blind eye to the practice rather than leave sections of the city without cab service. The use of gypsy cabs is strictly at the rider’s risk, and it is recommended that passengers negotiate a fare with the driver before entering, as the cabs are not equipped with meters, and fares are not regulated by the TLC. The driver also is taking a risk that the passenger will leave without paying.

Medallion taxicabs are named for the official medallion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medallion) issued by the TLC and attached to a taxi’s hood. The medallion may be purchased from the City at infrequent auctions, or from another medallion owner. Because of their high prices, medallions (and most cabs) are owned by investment companies and are leased to drivers ("hacks"). An auction was held in 2006 where 308 new medallions were sold. In the 2006 auction all medallions were designated as either hybrids (254) or handicap accessible (54) taxis.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxicabs_of_New_York_City#1930s_-_Medallions

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Interesting to note that non-medallion cabs do exist, they just have to be dispatched and not hailed from the street. AND WHO COULD FORGET THE GYPSY CABS! Those remind me of taking a cab in Cancun. Where helmets are optional.

So with the existance of the non-medallion car services, why is deregulation of the roaming/hailing (medallion) cab necessary?

[Gan]

It's a lot easier to get into a business that doesn't have a hard cap put on it. Also, the business isn't dominated by corporate fleets of cabs.

You're right about the freedom, so let's change it from personal owner ship to delivery vehicles, ect.

- Arkans

Because you dont just walk out to the street corner and 'hail' a delivery vehicle. And they dont roam the streets looking for 'fares' or 'deliveries'.

[Gan]

Excellent source of current data on the taxi cab industry NYC in 2006.

http://www.schallerconsult.com/taxi/taxifb.pdf

[Gan]

Maybe you should open up your eyes then? They're right there on the back of the glass. Every single cab i've taken out of LGA in the past like 5 years has had them.

Don't be a fucking dumbass, kk. And if you're going to try and insult me, could you at least use something YOU come up with? It's pretty pathetic and damn unoriginal when you try to reuse my own comments.

To continue another conversation in this thread:




Airport fares are sensitive to the amount of congestion, which varies widely for different airport trips, and the route chosen (i.e., taking the Triboro Bridge versus the Midtown Tunnel from LaGuardia to Manhattan).


Using geographically direct routes, in moderate traffic, fares from Midtown Manhattan to LaGuardia average $26. Including different traffic conditions and routes, fares between Midtown and LaGuardia are $23 to $34. (A flat fare applies for trips between Manhattan and Kennedy Airport.)

http://www.schallerconsult.com/taxi/taxifb.pdf - pp.16



§2-27 Items Which Must be Present in the Taxicab.


(a) A driver shall not operate a taxicab unless the following are present in


the taxicab:


(1) The taxicab technology system as defined in section 2-01 of this


chapter, provided, however, that, if the taxicab is not yet required


to be equipped with such taxicab technology system and whenever

such taxicab technology system is inoperable for not more than

forty-eight (48) hours following the filing of an incident report
with the authorized taxicab technology service provider as set
forth in section 2-26 of this chapter, the driver must maintain a
written trip record also known as a “trip sheet,” containing such
information as required by sections 2-01 and 2-28(a) of this
chapter and section 3-06(b) of this title.
(2) his taxicab driver's license in the appropriate frame;
(3) the rate card assigned to the taxicab, bearing the serial number of
the taximeter, in the frame alongside the frame for his taxicab
driver's license;
(4) a New York City five (5) borough indexed street map; and
(5) receipts for passengers.
http://www.nyc.gov/html/tlc/downloads/pdf/drivrules.pdf










Rate card.

A "rate card" is a card issued by the Commission for a taxicab which displays the taxicab's license number, rates of fare and such other data as
the Commission may prescribe.






§ 3-07 Passenger Information Monitor.

(a) All vehicles, except as provided in section 1-11(g) of this title, shall be

equipped with a passenger information monitor which meets all the requirements
of this section. This specification shall be implemented no later than the
compliance date set forth in section 1-01 of this title.
(b ) The passenger information monitor shall have the following minimum
specifications or capabilities:
...
(iii) Display a map that indicates the current location of the vehicle as well
as the route the vehicle has traveled from the point of trip initiation to
the point of trip destination or termination;
(iv) Display without limitation the following: TLC Public Service
Announcements (PSAs) including but not limited to the Passenger
Bill of Rights, the Flat Fare Notice and any other TLC PSAs as
designated by the Chairperson and, at the medallion owner’s option,
limited media content, which may include commercial advertising and
commercial sponsorships as enumerated in the contract(s) between the
TLC and taxicab technology service provider(s);
more...
http://www.nyc.gov/html/tlc/downloads/pdf/specrules.pdf





http://www.andycarvin.com/mobile/nyctaxi.jpg

[Skeeter]

I love going to Vegas. They always try to rip me off on the way to the hotel from the airport.

[Celephais]

Jesus Gan, you're giving Stan a run for his money, quad posting...

[Gan]

Jesus Gan, you're giving Stan a run for his money, quad posting...

Yea, I thought of that and just did a mass edit on the last post.

:)

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Skeeter
I love going to Vegas. They always try to rip me off on the way to the hotel from the airport.

You still lose no matter how you cut in when you get into a Vegas cab because odds are you're sitting in someones day old spooge.

[TheEschaton]

I don't know, I've never had a bad cab experience in NYC. Maybe that's because I'm brown and there's some sort of affinity between most cabbies and me, or maybe it's because I don't act like a fucking tourist any time I hop in a cab.

I swear, the first time I ever actually lived in NYC was this past summer, and no one treated me like an out-of-towner, ever. I don't know what that's all about.

-TheE-

[Clove]

That's because you're comments appear to be an accurate reflection.

Aside from that ... I doubt you have seen the dividing glass of every NY cab and I haven't been to NY for any reason in about 4-5 years.p


...After all, he was over there so he is more knowledgeable about the events prior to his actual deployment.

:thinking:

[diethx]

To continue another conversation in this thread:

http://www.andycarvin.com/mobile/nyctaxi.jpg

Nice, lol. That pic is the map I was talking about. And near it is another sheet with the fare breakdowns highlighting both the airport flat rates, and costs to Brooklyn and the Bronx.

[Skeeter]

You still lose no matter how you cut in when you get into a Vegas cab because odds are you're sitting in someones day old spooge.

where the fuck do you pick up your cabs? boys town?

[Skeeter]

Nice, lol. That pic is the map I was talking about. And near it is another sheet with the fare breakdowns highlighting both the airport flat rates, and costs to Brooklyn and the Bronx.

those clearly don't exist.

[diethx]

those clearly don't exist.

Clearly, I mean, crybaby Tsa'ah was in the city 4-5 years ago and he got ripped off. That can only mean that the sheets were never there and don't exist. Couldn't possibly mean that he's just a dumb fuck that needs to pay attention.

[Parkbandit]

those clearly don't exist.

Correct. I've included the source I found on the internetzwebz so there can't be any denying it.

http://forum.gsplayers.com/showpost.php?p=678384&postcount=8


I've been in a number of cabs in NY and the area ... I've never seen such a sign in a cab leaving the airport.

So it's your estimation that the cab jockeys, who would never ever cheat on their taxes, over charge, or rip off visitors by taking the longest possible route to a destination .... would "notice" if there wasn't a fare chart in the back seat ... visible to customers at all times.

Riiiiight.

So now I understand why the emo tears welled up ...

[Gan]

LOL

[Tsa`ah]

Clearly, I mean, crybaby Tsa'ah was in the city 4-5 years ago and he got ripped off.

Right ... and you're the one that insinuated that just because your cab fare from LaG to Manhattan is around 30 bucks ... the naturally all fares should be around 30 bucks right?

Give me a fucking break.


That can only mean that the sheets were never there and don't exist. Couldn't possibly mean that he's just a dumb fuck that needs to pay attention.

I never claimed they didn't exist, that's what you choose to run with. Just because I've never seen said sheets in any cab I've taken from LaG or JFK does in no way imply that I claimed they don't exist.

[Parkbandit]

LOL... Tsa'ah must be running for some political office with that backstepping. You moonwalk better than Michael Jackson.

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e6/belike53/mowtown25moonwalk.gif

It's too bad we can just reread your posts in this thread to see what kind of bullshitter you are.

[diethx]

Right ... and you're the one that insinuated that just because your cab fare from LaG to Manhattan is around 30 bucks ... the naturally all fares should be around 30 bucks right?

God, you're fucking stupid. Too stupid I guess to understand what "flat rate fare between the airport and ANYWHERE IN MANHATTAN" means.


LOL... Tsa'ah must be running for some political office with that backstepping. You moonwalk better than Michael Jackson.

It's too bad we can just reread your posts in this thread to see what kind of bullshitter you are.

Seriously, but wtf else is he supposed to do when backed into the stupid bullshit corner? Never admit he was wrong, no way.

[CrystalTears]

Right ... and you're the one that insinuated that just because your cab fare from LaG to Manhattan is around 30 bucks ... the naturally all fares should be around 30 bucks right?
From the airports, yep.


I never claimed they didn't exist, that's what you choose to run with. Maybe you should pay attention to your own posts. For someone who hasn't been there in five years, you sure are persistant on being right with this too. You have the personality of a roof shingle, and the intelligence of one too. At least roof shingles know when to fall to their doom when they have failed to fulfill their purpose.

Just because I've never seen said sheets in any cab I've taken from LaG or JFK does in no way imply that I claimed they don't exist. Ahem...

I've been in a number of cabs in NY and the area ... I've never seen such a sign in a cab leaving the airport.

So it's your estimation that the cab jockeys, who would never ever cheat on their taxes, over charge, or rip off visitors by taking the longest possible route to a destination .... would "notice" if there wasn't a fare chart in the back seat ... visible to customers at all times.

Riiiiight.

So now I understand why the emo tears welled up ...


That's because you're comments appear to be an accurate reflection.

Aside from that ... I doubt you have seen the dividing glass of every NY cab and I haven't been to NY for any reason in about 4-5 years.

I really should have bet money that you'd come back and not admit you were wrong. That would almost be a fucking miracle in Tsa`land.

[Snapp]

I haven't been in a NYC cab in like a year, but they do indeed have those rate sheets for the airports and whatnot. Maybe it's a more recent thing.

Anyway, subways ftw.

[Stanley Burrell]

I miss not having to actually drive my car to get to work and school.

Some cab drivers are seriously amazing people. I've met the weirdest, awesomest, prodigal cabbies on Earth.

[Stanley Burrell]

Anyway, subways ftw.

Living in an area that's invented public transportation ftw always. ANYONE WANT TO GUESS WHERE I'M GOING WITH THIS, CRYSTALTEARS?

[Stanley Burrell]

Jesus Gan, you're giving Stan a run for his money, quad posting...

Few can compete.

Fewer want to.

I don't have money :(

[CrystalTears]

Living in an area that's invented public transportation ftw always. ANYONE WANT TO GUESS WHERE I'M GOING WITH THIS, CRYSTALTEARS?
Does it mean you're getting the fuck out of CT?! I'm really in the mood to celebrate.

[Stanley Burrell]

Yah. I try and make it a duty to head to the City as oft as possible. I need to be cleansed of this Eli Whitney cheese & antique shops on every claustrophobic white picket-fenced for sale neighborhood closet racist Lieberman advocate obsessionists' armpit of 1950's reminiscent Americana whenever possible.

LoL. You live in Connecticut too, ahhhhhhhahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!! :lol: That's fucked up. AND you work at a Connecticut DMV. Oh god, I'm getting all, like, skin-crawly and gross-feeling just thinking about it. That sucks, though, sorry :(

Well, "obsessionist" isn't even a fucking word, but it is now. Because I am in Connecticut.

"This is Ken Kaniff from Connecticut, and I'm still mad as hell... Fuck you."

[Tsa`ah]

God, you're fucking stupid. Too stupid I guess to understand what "flat rate fare between the airport and ANYWHERE IN MANHATTAN" means.

I'm stupid? You're the idgit that assumes everyone leaving from either airport is heading west ... I never said I was going to Manhattan, Bronx, or Brooklyn.

You just assumed, like a flaming douche, that I didn't know what I was talking about since you're this big NY transplant. It seems your realm of experience is rather narrow .... and your ability to assume too broad.


Seriously, but wtf else is he supposed to do when backed into the stupid bullshit corner? Never admit he was wrong, no way.

Hey dip shit ... you're the one that derailed this thread based on some pompous bullshit .... It's not me that has a problem admitting something incorrect.


From the airports, yep.

And that would be wrong.

Anywhere in the NY area from either airport is not a set price. In fact I decided to check .... and guess what, the areas I had to take a cab into (Hicksville, Woodbury, Jericho, Farmingdale) .... all in excess of 60 bucks.

I seriously doubt there's a flat fare to anywhere in the NY area from any airport.

But since we're aware of your cheerleading status ... you just going somewhere else to STFU isn't going to happen.


Maybe you should pay attention to your own posts. For someone who hasn't been there in five years, you sure are persistent on being right with this too. You have the personality of a roof shingle, and the intelligence of one too. At least roof shingles know when to fall to their doom when they have failed to fulfill their purpose.

Maybe you should actually read what I posted. The presence of said charts were not present ... never did I claim someone didn't know what they were talking about. Perhaps if you bothered to fucking read past my own post into the horseshit the followed it ... but that's beyond your ability.


I really should have bet money that you'd come back and not admit you were wrong. That would almost be a fucking miracle in Tsa`land.

What the fuck was I wrong about? Where in the fuck did I state with absolute certainty that I was correct. I'm sorry, but my experiences in cabs in NY are just that ... experiences. If you can discern an experience from a fact ... well pom poms are about your speed. No surprise.

For future reference to anyone not in the pom pom squad. If you disagree with CT in public, stop with the baseless flattering .... she'll basically dog you for some unknown reason.

Toots, you really have to open your eyes and learn to understand what is being posted before you respond ... otherwise it makes you look like another run of the mill slack jaw.

[Clove]

I'm stupid

And you're also so full of shit your eyes are brown. It's funny how well you do the martyr with CT acting like she's attacking you for no reason- when virtually every poster in this thread has accused you of being a tap-dancing know-it-all clown.

[CrystalTears]

I'm stupid? Yep. Well you didn't admit you were wrong but this works.

For future reference to anyone not in the pom pom squad. If you disagree with CT in public, stop with the baseless flattering .... she'll basically dog you for some unknown reason.Haha, look at Tsa`ah trying to play the victim. No honey, I only get this way with you, seeing as how I disagree with a ton of people on here, because only you have this insistant behavior of needing to have the authoritative word on most every off-topic subject around here. It grates on my nerves, consider it a pet peeve. I'm also FAR from the only one around here who is bothered by your googlized and overinflated pompous ego. (I'm still waiting on my cheerleading outfit and pin, they must have gotten lost in the mail.)

Consider this all misunderstandings then because diethx had been discussing airport rides into the city (i.e. Manhatten) for the most part, and you never mentioned going into the bumblefuck towns of NY and were arguing for the sake of arguing. Next time clarify without assuming that people don't know what you're talking about when you love to be vague and leave it for people to guess, then when called on it have you come back with "I never said that" to bail yourself out.

Throwing out the "I haven't seen them and you haven't been in every cab" is what caused people to get on the defensive. There was no need for that if only to stir up drama.

[Tsa`ah]

Mob mentality and strong arming doesn't work on me. It's evident that the pom pom squad hasn't figured it out yet.

Way to defend your post.

[Clove]

Throwing out the "I haven't seen them and you haven't been in every cab" is what caused people to get on the defensive. There was no need for that if only to stir up drama.

Tsa'ah: I'm much better at video hockey.
PC: That's not a sport.
Tsa'ah: It requires hand and eye coordination.
PC: It's not a sport if you don't sweat.
Tsa'ah: What about golf? It's a sport and you don't sweat.
PC: It's not a sport if you let a machine do all the work.
Tsa'ah: What about car racing?
PC: Shut up, Tsa'ah.

[Sean of the Thread]

If you don't sweat playing golf you're a mutant.

Unless it's like an antarctic course.

[CrystalTears]

Not mini-golf with your kids, dufus. :tongue:

[Gelston]

Buses and fully loaded Shuttle Vans ftw. 10 bucks from San Diego to Pendleton. Cabs can't get near that price.

Even though this has nothing to do with New York in anyway.

[diethx]

I'm stupid? You're the idgit that assumes everyone leaving from either airport is heading west ... I never said I was going to Manhattan, Bronx, or Brooklyn.

Yes, you're fucking stupid. In case you didn't realize, the title of this fucking thread is about NYC taxi cab riders, not Long Island taxi cab riders. It's safe to make an assumption that in a thread about RIDING IN TAXIS IN NEW YORK CITY, you'd be talking about taking a taxi from the airport to somewhere in the city. When I made my very first post in this thread, I clearly stated a cab ride from the airports to Manhattan. You could have simply responded by saying "Oh, I meant it cost me 60-90 dollars to take a cab from Nassau, not Manhattan." And I would have said, "Oh, ok, nevermind then." But you didn't, because you weren't saying that. You're only saying that now because you're backed into a fucking corner by everyone who called you on your stupid fucking bullshit.

And i'm the one that derailed this thread? By correcting your lame ass that doesn't know how to admit when you're SO WRONG? Doubtful, otherwise people would be on MY ass and not YOURS. Eat that, douche.


Anywhere in the NY area from either airport is not a set price. In fact I decided to check .... and guess what, the areas I had to take a cab into (Hicksville, Woodbury, Jericho, Farmingdale) .... all in excess of 60 bucks.

I seriously doubt there's a flat fare to anywhere in the NY area from any airport.

Are you that fucking stupid? I'm seriously amazed, seriously. First off, Hicksville, Woodbury, Jericho, and Farmingdale are not in the NY area. They are in Nassau county, all over 45 minutes from the city. You know how I know this? Jericho is the town closest to the city of those four you mentioned. I used to work in Jericho when I lived in Bayside, which is eastern Queens (nearly on the border with Nassau). It took me 30 minutes in the morning to get from Bayside to Jericho with light traffic.

And I don't think I need to reiterate how there are flat fees from airports to NYC, because everyone and their mother who posts here has already done so for me.

[Gan]

Not mini-golf with your kids, dufus. :tongue:

You do in Houston in the summertime. :(

[Gan]

Metered Rate of Fare

$2.50 upon entry
$0.40 for each additional unit The unit fare is:
one-fifth of a mile, when the taxicab is traveling at 6 miles an hour or more; or 60 seconds when not in motion or traveling at less than 12 miles per hour.

The taximeter shall combine fractional measures of distance and time in accruing a unit of fare. Any combination of distance or time shall be computed by the taximeter in accordance with the National Bureau of Standards.

The fare shall include pre-assessment of the unit currently being accrued; the amount due may therefore include a full unit charge for a final, fractional unit.

Night surcharge of $.50 after 8:00 PM & before 6:00 AM
Peak hour Weekday Surcharge of $1.00 Monday - Friday after 4:00 PM & before 8:00 PM.

Tolls
On all trips within the City of New York, any bridge and tunnel tolls to the destination shall be paid by the passenger, who shall be so informed before the start of the trip.

On all trips within the City of New York, return tolls shall not be charged except for trips over the Cross Bay Veterans, Marine Parkway-Gil Hodges Memorial, and Verrazano Narrows Bridges.

On trips beyond the City of New York, all necessary tolls to and from the destination shall be paid by the passenger.

Trips Beyond the City
For a trip beyond the limits of the City of New York, except for the Counties of Westchester or Nassau, or the facilities of the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey at Newark Airport, the fare shall be a flat rate (a flat rate is a definite amount fixed between the driver and the passenger at the start of the trip).

For a trip to the Counties of Westchester or Nassau the fare shall be:
the amount shown on the taximeter for that portion of the trip that is inside city limits, plus twice the amount shown on the meter for that portion of the trip that is outside the city limits; and all necessary tolls to and from the destination shall be paid by the passenger.

For a trip to Newark Airport the fare shall be:
the amount shown on the taximeter plus a surcharge of $15.00; and all necessary tolls to and from the destination shall be paid by the passenger.

Any continuous trip where the point of origin and the destination are both within the limits of the City of New York shall not be considered a trip beyond the City limits, even though the shortest and most direct route requires traveling outside such limits but within contiguous counties. For such a trip the meter must be kept in the recording position throughout.
Group Rides

Group ride fare from LaGuardia Airport -
Notwithstanding the rate of fare set forth in Metered Rate of Fare (at the top of this page), the fee for trips made pursuant to a group riding plan from LaGuardia Airport shall be as follows for each passenger:

1) To the East Side of Manhattan, east of Fifth Avenue, from 23rd Street to 96th Street - $7.50

2) To the West Side of Manhattan, west of Fifth Avenue, from 23rd Street to 96th Street - $8.50

3) To downtown Manhattan, south of 23rd Street - $9.50

Group ride fare from York Avenue -
Notwithstanding the rate of fare set forth in Metered Rate of Fare (at the top of this page), the fare for trips made pursuant to a group riding plan from LaGuardia Airport shall be as follows for each passenger:

To the Financial District - $3.50 per passenger (In addition, there may be such fee for dispatch services)

Persons with Disabilities
A recently-passed rule now requires that drivers not engage the taximeter until a disabled passenger has been settled in, and the ride is about to commence. Drivers are required to assist disabled passengers.

Luggage
There shall be no charge for handling steamer trunks or other luggage or belongings transported in the interior of the taxicab, or for use of the taxicab's trunk.

Flat Fare from John F. Kennedy Airport:
The Taxi & Limousine Commission is conducting a "Flat Fare" program for trips between (to and from) the Borough of Manhattan and John F. Kennedy International Airport.

The flat fare is $45.00 plus any tolls. The meter will not be turned on and the night surcharge will not be added.

If passengers request multiple stops, the flat rate of $45.00 will be collected at the first stop in either Manhattan or John F. Kennedy Airport, and the meter will be turned on for the remainder of the trip. The metered fare should be collected at the last stop, from the last passenger.


Sample Fares from JFK International Airport to Destinations Other Than Manhattan

(These are estimated fares. Actual fares vary depending on traffic, weather and other unforeseen conditions. Tolls are in addition to metered fares and are not shown.)

Between Terminals ............... $4 - $12
To the Bronx

Co-op City ......................... $39 - $44

The Hub (149th & 3rd) .......$38 - $42

Riverdale .............................$48 - $53
To Brooklyn

Downtown ...........................$33 - $38

Coney Island ........................$35 - $38
To Queens

Shea Stadium ........................$22 - $25

Main Street (Kew Gardens)....$20 - $24
To Staten Island

New Dorp Lane .................... $52 - $55

Victory Boulevard .................$51 - $55

To LaGuardia Airport .......................$24 - $28

To Newark Airport ...........................$69 - $75 + $15 surcharge

http://www.nyc.gov/html/tlc/html/passenger/taxicab_rate.shtml

[CrystalTears]

Hey Gan, you'll have to send diethx a cheerleading set too. :D

[Stanley Burrell]

i just got kickrd the fuck out of a bar for the first time in my life because of the fucking patsies and it is really funny that those bastards list the r-dale separately from the Bronx lol

[Tsa`ah]

Yes, you're fucking stupid. In case you didn't realize, the title of this fucking thread is about NYC taxi cab riders, not Long Island taxi cab riders. It's safe to make an assumption that in a thread about RIDING IN TAXIS IN NEW YORK CITY, you'd be talking about taking a taxi from the airport to somewhere in the city. When I made my very first post in this thread, I clearly stated a cab ride from the airports to Manhattan. You could have simply responded by saying "Oh, I meant it cost me 60-90 dollars to take a cab from Nassau, not Manhattan." And I would have said, "Oh, ok, nevermind then." But you didn't, because you weren't saying that. You're only saying that now because you're backed into a fucking corner by everyone who called you on your stupid fucking bullshit.

And i'm the one that derailed this thread? By correcting your lame ass that doesn't know how to admit when you're SO WRONG? Doubtful, otherwise people would be on MY ass and not YOURS. Eat that, douche.



Are you that fucking stupid? I'm seriously amazed, seriously. First off, Hicksville, Woodbury, Jericho, and Farmingdale are not in the NY area. They are in Nassau county, all over 45 minutes from the city. You know how I know this? Jericho is the town closest to the city of those four you mentioned. I used to work in Jericho when I lived in Bayside, which is eastern Queens (nearly on the border with Nassau). It took me 30 minutes in the morning to get from Bayside to Jericho with light traffic.

And I don't think I need to reiterate how there are flat fees from airports to NYC, because everyone and their mother who posts here has already done so for me.

Wow ... all of this because you made an assumption.

I'm sorry, a NY cab driver is a NY cab driver. It doesn't make one bit of difference if they take a fare to NY or to Hicksville.

Perhaps before you go flaming vag on someone, you should perhaps try to clarify. I really don't care where you have lived or what your experiences are. I've only flown into JFK or LaG for work related business.

Flat rates into NYC are fine, they didn't cover my destination ... maybe you should go back and read the post you went psycho on ... especially since my experiences are the only thing you have to rag on. Way to completely ditch the topic.

[Bobmuhthol]

<<I'm sorry, a NY cab driver is a NY cab driver.>>

Okay, all New York cab drivers drive cabs in New York. This statement is accurate by the reflexive property.

However, show me a NYC cab driver that hangs out in Rochester and I'll show you a lost cab driver.

[Clove]

...Perhaps before you go flaming vag on someone, you should...

just admit for once that you're full of shit.

[Tsa`ah]

I'm sorry, I know what I was charged as fare. There wasn't a flat rate to any of my destination.

http://www.nyccabfare.com/

So what am I full of shit about ... that the 5% service charge and equipment aren't tax deductible and thus a bullshit argument about losing money?

Perhaps I'm full of shit about the cab drivers/operators using that excuse because it cuts into their ability to cheat on taxes?

Maybe I'm full of shit about what my cab fare was at the time?

So please, point out what I'm full of shit about pom pom bearer.

[Parkbandit]

Wow ... all of this because you made an assumption.

I'm sorry, a NY cab driver is a NY cab driver. It doesn't make one bit of difference if they take a fare to NY or to Hicksville.

Perhaps before you go flaming vag on someone, you should perhaps try to clarify. I really don't care where you have lived or what your experiences are. I've only flown into JFK or LaG for work related business.

Flat rates into NYC are fine, they didn't cover my destination ... maybe you should go back and read the post you went psycho on ... especially since my experiences are the only thing you have to rag on. Way to completely ditch the topic.

I think the assumption he originally made was that you had a fucking brain. NOW you are saying that just because you said NY Taxicab driver (Even though the thread clearly says New York City).. you meant the entire STATE of NY?

Holy fuck... seriously.. stfu already. You make Clinton look almost honest.

[Parkbandit]

I full of shit

FINALLY something you post with some truth in it... and I bet you didn't even have to google it for a source.

For once, I completely agree with you.

[Tsa`ah]

It's sad that about the only thing you're good at is quoting out of context, posting random pictures you google (irony) ... and chasing your own tail when you're not following mine around like a love sick puppy.

[Divinity]

That's because you're comments appear to be an accurate reflection.

Aside from that ... I doubt you have seen the dividing glass of every NY cab and I haven't been to NY for any reason in about 4-5 years.


There's dividing glass in every cab for the exception of the jeeps and vans. Most jeeps and vans won't pick you up unless you're in a group.. so..

Either way, the bill of rights we're speaking about is still posted everywhere inside of the vehicle.

[Sean of the Thread]

I just found it amusing... as my original post noted... about the "not speaking English".

Not sure how this thread spiraled so far off the radar. Lol I love this place.


Where is it.. MN that cabbies won't pick up peeps that have alcohol or pork in their groceries?

[Tsa`ah]

Okay, all New York cab drivers drive cabs in New York. This statement is accurate by the reflexive property.

However, show me a NYC cab driver that hangs out in Rochester and I'll show you a lost cab driver.

Bob ... you're regressing again.

We're talking about cabs taken from LaG or JFK.

[Tsa`ah]

There's dividing glass in every cab for the exception of the jeeps and vans. Most jeeps and vans won't pick you up unless you're in a group.. so..

Either way, the bill of rights we're speaking about is still posted everywhere inside of the vehicle.

eh ...


I haven't been to NY for any reason in about 4-5 years

I've never asserted that they didn't exist. I merely stated that they weren't posted (in any location I could see) in any cab I took from LaG or JFK in the timespan I did make trips to NY.

[Divinity]

eh ...



I've never asserted that they didn't exist. I merely stated that they weren't posted (in any location I could see) in any cab I took from LaG or JFK in the timespan I did make trips to NY.

Um.. you guys were talking about rape and all this stuff about divided glass.. I was helping to clear up the debate. 0_o

[diethx]

I love how for like two days, he made no mention of taking a cab to Long Island. Damn me for making the assumption that he was going into NYC, and that he NEVER CORRECTED until backed into a corner two days later, when his first line of bullshit ended up shoved up his ass. Oops, time to change the story now, huh?

lol, and yet you still fight on, pretending that everyone reading this thread doesn't know what a giant pile of steaming bullshit you are spewing. This is just beyond funny now. You're pathetic, accept defeat and go cry.

Edit to add: And it's LGA, not LaG. Unless of course you're just trying to shorten the name of the airport and not use its code, which no one does anyway. I have a feeling you simply Google Earth'd the areas east of NYC (Nassau), and have never actually been to NY at all. What a shocker that would be.

[Parkbandit]

It's sad that about the only thing you're good at is quoting out of context, posting random pictures you google (irony) ... and chasing your own tail when you're not following mine around like a love sick puppy.

That's not love pal.. stop projecting. I just find you amusing.. in a pathetic way. I view you with the same interest I view Backlash. Both of you are extreme liberal hypocrites.. only you try to mask your ignorance by googling loads of shit to cover your tracks.

It's amazing that you have 2-3 current threads going on right now where you've been called on your bullshit.. and the only thing you seem good at is backpedaling in it.