Ford Boycott Working

[ClydeR]

The boycott of Ford by the American Family Association is paying off. Ford's sales plummeted (http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tom-blumer/2008/01/05/old-media-continues-hide-major-reason-fords-free-fall) last year. And Ford is planning (http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080125/BUSINESS01/801250330/1002/BUSINESS) to lay off 54,000 people this year. It is maily due to the boycott (http://www.boycottford.com/) of Ford because of their failure to support the family. Ultimately, the boycott will make Ford a stronger company and a better place to work.

The presidential candidates should look to the example of the Ford boycott as an indication of how strongly the majority of Americans feel about preserving the traditional family.

[Stanley Burrell]

Chevy > Ford and I've got my shaggin' wagon's permission to say so.

God. I will make the ladies love me long time once the wood paneling gets installed.

0-60? Yes.

[Kembal]

LOL.

I'm dying in laughter here. You think the AFA boycott hurt Ford? It's more their inability to put any good cars out.

[Stanley Burrell]

Way to take a ClydeR thread almost seriously :-\

[CrystalTears]

What is this hardon for American Family Association?

[Hulkein]

I've never even heard of the boycott.

The entire American auto industry is hurting, it has nothing to do with any boycott that most people have never heard of.

[CrystalTears]

Yeah it couldn't just be because Ford cars suck or anything.

[ClydeR]

The entire American auto industry is hurting, it has nothing to do with any boycott that most people have never heard of.

But Ford's sales went down more than any of the other companies. Because of the boycott.

[Tolwynn]

Obviously, it's all the AFA, and has nothing to do whatsoever with such trivialities as Toyota's inroads into the American market, union woes, employee legacy expenses, or disputes with parts suppliers.

What could the business world have been thinking to imagine anything otherwise?

[TheEschaton]

Or yanno, rising gas prices, a slumping economy, and the average American's hesitation in buying a new car?

-TheE-

[TheEschaton]

Oh, btw, the AFA is the most sickeningly bigoted group to not yet have been lumped in with people like the KKK.

The sole purpose of their group is not only a disapproval of homosexuality, but a broad attempt to deny them even things like the right to associate or work. They say companies shouldn't be "diverse", and promote homosexuals working at their company.

-TheE-

[Gan]

But Ford's sales went down more than any of the other companies. Because of the boycott.

Incorrect on all levels.

The foreign car market has trumped domestic auto manufacturers, period.

I would ask you to source the impact of the AFA's boycott but I know that data does not exist so I wont bother.

Your opinion is duly noted.

[ClydeR]

Incorrect on all levels.

You don't believe that Ford's sales went down in 2007 more than the sales of the other auto manufacturers? I posted a link (http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tom-blumer/2008/01/05/old-media-continues-hide-major-reason-fords-free-fall) to the source in my initial post. Even if you exclude foreign auto manufacturers, Ford's sales decreased much more than those of General Motors and Chrysler, companies that are not being boycotted.

[CrystalTears]

What is not believable, and what you can't directly prove, is that AFA's boycott had anything to do with it.

[Methais]

You don't believe that Ford's sales went down in 2007 more than the sales of the other auto manufacturers? I posted a link (http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tom-blumer/2008/01/05/old-media-continues-hide-major-reason-fords-free-fall) to the source in my initial post. Even if you exclude foreign auto manufacturers, Ford's sales decreased much more than those of General Motors and Chrysler, companies that are not being boycotted.

Someone always has to come in last, boycott or not. It just so happens that Fords suck, so it makes sense that they came in last.

[Hulkein]

Has anyone here even heard of this boycott before this thread???

[Trouble]

Has anyone here even heard of this boycott before this thread???


I hadn't. I haven't heard of the organization either.

I think Ford will do better this year as their newer sedans and crossovers have been getting good reviews.

[BigWorm]

Has anyone here even heard of this boycott before this thread???

Nope, not a word. I'm too lazy to google it; what was the "reason" for the boycott is the first place?

[BigWorm]

Chevy > Ford and I've got my shaggin' wagon's permission to say so.

God. I will make the ladies love me long time once the wood paneling gets installed.

0-60? Yes.

Weren't you just complaining that you couldn't get a decent chick without paying for it?

FYI, it's not the wood on the panels that gets the ladies...

[oldanforgotten]

One of the few things I like about Europe more than the US is so ripe in this thread. They have progressed socially because they have told the church to go fuck itself.
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[Lyonis]

One of the few things I like about Europe more than the US is so ripe in this thread. They have progressed socially because they have told the church to go fuck itself.

Irony so thick you can cut it with a knife!

Tamral, leading the charge for social progression :rofl:

On topic: Dodge>Chevy>Ford

[Stanley Burrell]

Weren't you just complaining that you couldn't get a decent chick without paying for it?

FYI, it's not the wood on the panels that gets the ladies...

There might've been a dash, of a pinch, of an ounce, of a sprinklin', of a pinch, again, of sarcasm.

Although don't think I wouldn't pimp my shit out with plastic-wood just to add insult to the injury that is my jalopy. Oooh, yeah.

[Sean of the Thread]

Dodge FTW.

[Crazy Bard]

I think Ford needs to get more involved into the hybrid scene. Obviously Chevy is taking over American sports vehicles with the Corvette, and Camaro thats appearing in 2009. Hybrid is the newest topic in car manufacturing, and if Ford can come up with new technology, and take over the market in Hybrids they might have a chance. As it stands now, Ford is garbage.

[Warriorbird]

Speaking as a former Ford employee... the only stuff that was selling then was trucks and Mustangs. I don't doubt that the trend has continued. Ford might want to trim a vast series of superfluous, crappy, and overbloated vehicles rather than worry about the American Family Association.

[radamanthys]

My 2000 Dodge caravan is great. Love it.

[TheEschaton]

The AFA is boycotting Ford because Ford made it a priority to hire more LGBT people, and be more gay-friendly. As far as I can tell.

This, to the AFA, is Ford trying to take down the American family.

[ViridianAsp]

Yeah it couldn't just be because Ford cars suck or anything.


Agreed, they suck...terribly. I've had two fords...I hate Fords will all of my being.

[Drew]

They say companies shouldn't be "diverse", and promote homosexuals working at their company.

-TheE-

Well good for them. I have no idea who they are, but I say that too.

Companies should hire the best employees, regardless of how "diverse" they are or if they are a homosexual or not. If the most qualified employee is "diverse" or homosexual, good for them.

[TheEschaton]

The difference being that the AFA never believes in diversity, even if the diverse homosexual candidate is far superior than his hetero counterpart.

[Drew]

The difference being that the AFA never believes in diversity, even if the diverse homosexual candidate is far superior than his hetero counterpart.


Oh yeah, that's pretty gay.

[Stanley Burrell]

So, W, TF exactly, did Ford do anyway? ...Have their C.E.O. hire viral marketers to hack into the Fox News mainframe and flash meatspin at the entire southern hemisphere of The United States, followed by "Built Tough?"

This isn't/hasn't been on the news.

[Celephais]

So, W, TF exactly, did Ford do anyway? ...Have their C.E.O. hire viral marketers to hack into the Fox News mainframe and flash meatspin at the entire southern hemisphere of The United States, followed by "Built Tough?"

This isn't/hasn't been on the news.
I was under the impression that Mike Rowe has been the reason for 98% of their sales.

The subtle in-show product placements alone make me want a Ford truck.

[Jazuela]

A net search shows there was a boycott of Ford back in 2005, and another in 2006. Probably just a few whackos are still boycotting because they didn't get the news that the boycott is over.

[ClydeR]

The American Family Association won!

WorldNetDaily reports (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=58587)


In the face of plummeting car sales, Ford Motor Company has taken steps to reduce its aggressive, pro-homosexual policies, prompting a family-rights group to call off its boycott of the carmaker.

The American Family Association says it's suspending its two-year boycott of Ford, noting the auto giant has met the conditions of the original agreement between AFA and Ford from 2005.

AFA Chairman Donald Wildmon said the original agreement between the family group and Ford contained four items:

* Ford would not renew current promotions or create future incentives that give cash donations to homosexual organizations based on the purchase of a vehicle.

* Ford would not make corporate donations to homosexual organizations that, as part of their activities, engage in political or social campaigns to promote civil unions or same-sex marriage.

* Ford would stop giving cash and vehicle donations or endorsements to homosexual social activities such as 'gay'-pride parades.

* Ford would cease all advertising on homosexual websites and through homosexual media outlets (magazines, television, radio) in the U.S. with the exception of $100,000 to be used by Volvo. The Volvo ads would be the same ads used in the general media and not aimed at the homosexual community specifically.

[Celephais]

:rofl: volvo can still be gay.

[CrystalTears]

Good grief, I swear ClydeR and Necromancer are in cahoots and working against us on both sides of the spectrum just for kicks.

WorldNetDaily also has a report titled Soy is making kids "gay" (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53327) so I'm not sure I'd take stock in much of anything they have to say.

[Tolwynn]

WorldNetDaily also has a report titled Soy is making kids "gay" so I'm not sure I'd take stock in much of anything they have to say.

I don't know, you could probably cite some of Necromancer's soy-fueled vegan rants as empirical evidence.

[CrystalTears]

Point taken. I stand corrected.

[Sean]

How is it possible for Ford to separate from Homosexuality ... everyone knows the Detroit Lions are gay.

[Sean of the Thread]

It's not the boycott that's working... it's that FORD vehicles suck ass.

[Warriorbird]

They've got a cluttered crappy range of product lines. They'd almost be better suited to eliminate down to Mustangs, the lower end F series, Tauruses (or Fusions... make a damn choice) to rental agencies, and a few SUVs and Crown Vics to the govt/cops.

[CrystalTears]

Fuck the cars. They should just stick to strictly trucks.

[Warriorbird]

Apart from Mustangs, rental agencies, and the cops... none of the cars sell.

[Sean]

Fords all about the chrome plating now.

[Warriorbird]

...and not well either. I detest the Edge and the Fusion. Also... don't even get me started on the current set of Lincoln grills.

[AnticorRifling]

... Lincoln grills.
You wanna see my what?

/nelly

I will agree most of their recent product lines just aren't a match for the other rides that are available.

[Warriorbird]

They look more like braces than grillz.

[Stanley Burrell]

To quote Erick Sermon, with exceptional excellence at making an analogy in this thread:

"In the field of rap, I'm supurb;
I'm fly,
I should be in the sky with birds.
I ride 20 inch rims when I lean, yo,
(Hey yo, them tens, nigga!)
I know, I keep 'em clean though.
Come through stormin' the block, like El Niño!"

[DTLarson]

Speaking as a former Ford employee... the only stuff that was selling then was trucks and Mustangs. I don't doubt that the trend has continued. Ford might want to trim a vast series of superfluous, crappy, and overbloated vehicles rather than worry about the American Family Association.

They can't get rid of the crappy vehicles because of the CAFE standards. To have cards like the mustang and trucks that suck a lot of gas they have to put out a lot of crappy cars because the government likes to mess with normal market forces.

[Warriorbird]

Really? Most of their overbloated lines seem to be more guzzlers.

[Gan]

I cant believe this retarded thread is still alive.

Amazingly worth 1 star.

[Tsa`ah]

Take that (http://www.latimes.com/classified/automotive/highway1/la-hy-ford25apr25,0,3211590.story) boycott.

Though in all fairness .... Ford probably could have posted a 100,080,00.00 profit if they had caved to the demands of the boycotters.

[longshot]

The boycott of Ford by the American Family Association is paying off. Ford's sales plummeted (http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tom-blumer/2008/01/05/old-media-continues-hide-major-reason-fords-free-fall) last year. And Ford is planning (http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080125/BUSINESS01/801250330/1002/BUSINESS) to lay off 54,000 people this year. It is maily due to the boycott (http://www.boycottford.com/) of Ford because of their failure to support the family. Ultimately, the boycott will make Ford a stronger company and a better place to work.



This argument is fallacious.

Have you ever heard of Causal Reduction?

Try to remember that as correlation does not imply causation.

As much as you'd like to think that Ford's decline in sales is greater than that of their competitors due to "X," it's due to many more complicated issues.

I have some questions for you... are you an adult? You can't seriously be arguing this, can you? If you are over the age of 15, then you are a really stupid person. There's no way around this. I'm not kidding:

You are dumb.

Understand this.

[Gan]

Yea, I heard Ford turned a profit, finally. Mostly because of this:



Most of Ford's efforts to right its financial ship have come from cost-cutting. For the quarter, the carmaker reduced its North American costs by $1.2 billion, and $1.7 billion worldwide.

Since the end of 2005, Ford has shrunk its workforce in North America by more than 40,000 and said Thursday that it planned to cut an additional 4,200 hourly workers worldwide. Last year, Ford signed a deal with the United Auto Workers that would allow it to significantly reduce labor and retirement benefit expenditures. Ford has also scaled back production.

Same article Tsa'ah sourced above.

[ClydeR]

Take that (http://www.latimes.com/classified/automotive/highway1/la-hy-ford25apr25,0,3211590.story) boycott.

Though in all fairness .... Ford probably could have posted a 100,080,00.00 profit if they had caved to the demands of the boycotters.

The reason Ford made a profit in the first quarter of this year was because the boycott was called off, as I previously posted (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showpost.php?p=696617&postcount=35), in December of last year after Ford did the right thing in response to the boycott.

[Warriorbird]

When you pinch fingers and people are far away you can totally squish their heads.

[Gan]

The reason Ford made a profit in the first quarter of this year was because the boycott was called off, as I previously posted (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showpost.php?p=696617&postcount=35), in December of last year after Ford did the right thing in response to the boycott.

I bet if you keep telling yourself that every hour you'll start to believe it after a while.

[Clove]

The AFA sends mail-outs to just over 3 million subscribers. I'm willing to bet that most people in the US were unaware the boycott even existed. Business was down for all American car manufacturers. Ford just happened to be down most (for a variety of reasons that are more rational than a weak boycott).

Now if someone decides to poll car buyers on whether or not the boycott influenced their purchase... ClydeR might have a leg to stand on. But as it is Ford's business decline wasn't even contrary to the rest of the American market.

I'm casting my lot in with Longshot on this one Clyde. You're either very young, or very stupid.

[Back]

The presidential candidates should look to the example of the Ford boycott as an indication of how strongly the majority of Americans feel about preserving the traditional family.

Is it that, or the fact that Ford refuses to produce fuel efficient vehicles? If I were Ford? I’d make things people want to spend money on and not care in the least about anyone’s morals.

[Warriorbird]

People totally aren't buying cars because they're paranoid about gay people. Gay people are going to come and attack our marriages with their lasers. Then they'll move on to our cars. They'll make them gay too. Pretty soon you won't be able to get through traffic due to all the gay car sex.

[SolitareConfinement]

The presidential candidates should look to the example of the Ford boycott as an indication of how strongly the majority of Americans feel about preserving the traditional family.

is this seriously a stupid post about gay marriage?

[Clove]

I think I'm going to cast my lot in with la E (rare but it happens) on the nature of the AFA too. Here's another example of their protestations:

http://www.afa.net/aa112806_2.asp
http://www.afa.net/Petitions/issuedetail.asp?id=257

Although this isn't related to homosexuality... it's pretty easy to see they aren't interested in an agenda that promotes tolerance and goodwill amongst peoples of differing faiths and ideals. Not exactly what I consider the American way.

[Gan]

People totally aren't buying cars because they're paranoid about gay people. Gay people are going to come and attack our marriages with their lasers. Then they'll move on to our cars. They'll make them gay too. Pretty soon you won't be able to get through traffic due to all the gay car sex.

http://www.crazybutable.com/photolog/images/carsex.jpg

[Clove]

The presidential candidates should look to the example of the Ford boycott as an indication of how strongly the majority of Americans feel about preserving the traditional family.Such a majority in fact that gay rights continue to decline in this country. First Ford, tomorrow the whole gay-lovin' world.

[Snapp]

We'll see how Ford feels about our lazer beam.

[longshot]

Is it that, or the fact that Ford refuses to produce fuel efficient vehicles? If I were Ford? I’d make things people want to spend money on and not care in the least about anyone’s morals.

What the fuck is wrong with you?

"If I were Ford..."

Shut up. Seriously. This is not about your personal opinion (that nobody gives a fuck about) about automobiles. Or why they don't sell.

It's about an ignorant person making a terrible argument.

X before Y DOES NOT MEAN X ==> Y.

It's that simple.

The original poster is a fucking retard. I mean this literally. You have to be incredibly stupid to believe this argument. The fact that they would even try to defend it shows just how deep the ignorance goes.

-I sent out a chain letter telling the sky to stop raining
-It didn't rain for three days
-Therefore, my chain letter made the rain stop

Clyde, maybe in your next post you can explain why the world is 6,000 years old?

[Keller]

We'll see how Ford feels about our lazer beam.

I lol'd. Good show, I say. Good show.

[Back]

What the fuck is wrong with you?

"If I were Ford..."

Shut up. Seriously. This is not about your personal opinion (that nobody gives a fuck about) about automobiles. Or why they don't sell.

It's about an ignorant person making a terrible argument.

X before Y DOES NOT MEAN X ==> Y.

It's that simple.

The original poster is a fucking retard. I mean this literally. You have to be incredibly stupid to believe this argument. The fact that they would even try to defend it shows just how deep the ignorance goes.

-I sent out a chain letter telling the sky to stop raining
-It didn't rain for three days
-Therefore, my chain letter made the rain stop

Clyde, maybe in your next post you can explain why the world is 6,000 years old?

Ok, Captain Obvious. But, please, do blather on. I’m bored and need something interesting to read.

PS. A business owner has many decisions to make. Ford himself was probably assuaged by similar nut jobs in his time just like the CEOs clearly are now. You don’t care for my opinion... whoopty fucking do da.

[Necromancer]

Clyde- get a life.

There's a list of words out there used to describe people who actively seek to staunch the quality of life of others. And none of them are positive.

Also, read a book hippie. The fact that you quoted from WorldNetDaily (the Christian right version of a tabloid, by the way) tells us everything about where you get your information about the world. It's really horrifying, and I hope one day you can crack open a real book and learn something about the way the world actually is.

Also, you may be 'born again', but Jesus never was. Get over it.

[Clove]

Clyde- get a life.http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/HPM/SM1082~Cripple-Fight-Posters.jpg

[TheEschaton]

How do the people like RC and Philosopher actually believe the stuff ClydeR says? I'm Christian too, but what he's saying is just unreasonable.

Of course, I'm Catholic, which to John Hagee means I might as well be the AntiChrist.

[ClydeR]

Another boycott has successfully concluded. This time it was McDonald's.


McDonald's has told AFA they will remain neutral in the culture war regarding homosexual marriage. AFA is ending the boycott of McDonald's. As you know, AFA called for the boycott in May after McDonald's joined the National Gay and Lesbian Chamber of Commerce (NGLCC).

McDonald's said McDonald's Vice President Richard Ellis has resigned his position on the board of NGLCC and that his seat on the board will not be replaced. McDonald's also said that the company has no plans to renew their membership in NGLCC when it expires in December.

In an e-mail to McDonald's franchised owners the company said, "It is our policy to not be involved in political and social issues. McDonald's remains neutral on same sex marriage or any 'homosexual agenda' as defined by the American Family Association."

More... (http://www.afa.net/endmcdonaldsboycott.htm)

[CrystalTears]

A boycott needs to be done with AFA so that they GTFO.

[ClydeR]

Thanks for the e-mail reminding me of the Ford boycott issue. The answer, which I am delivering with this public post, is twofold. First, the boycott was called off some time ago. Second, the fact that General Motors and Chrysler went bankrupt, while Ford did not, does not in any way indicate that the boycott failed.

The Lord works in mysterious ways. Right now, Ford must be pretty nervous. Read the following two articles and think about that.


Now, however, being an arm of Government Motors, GMAC will be improperly assisted - and this will lead to them being able to offer terms on financing for the "captured and government owned" automakers that Ford will be unable to match.

This is a serious and potentially critical problem for Ford.

More... (http://seekingalpha.com/article/139049-gmac-and-its-impact-on-ford)


The competitive advantage Uncle Sam's life-support package gives GM – and the billions injected into Chrysler – must worry Ford. When its two domestic rivals emerge from swift trips through the Chapter 11 car wash, they'll have cleaned up their legacy cost problems and scrunched down their dealer networks in ways Ford, outside bankruptcy, cannot. And as GM's 72.5pc shareholder, Uncle Sam has an incentive to favour GM.

More... (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/breakingviewscom/5423996/Uncle-Sams-car-wash-looks-set-to-leave-Ford-at-a-competitive-disadvantage.html)