USA

[Xcalibur]

Just wanted to make an other thread since the Saddam one is about .. eh Saddam.

Hehe

Seriously, I really really give a big :thumbsup: to the US. They succeeding into going to war, for WHATEVER reason (in the end, it's good for you and me since):

1) cheaper petrole

2) safer since a «rebel» country is now secured

3) give a fair warning to other «rebel» countries that if they don't follow the UN-US policy, they'll be invaded, broken and leaders will be captured

4) Continued its reputation of the «cow-boy» of Earth (police, whatever you name it)

The us lost a moral war by the two towers being destroyed, but won again in the long run?

I'm glad to live close to the US border and feel proud to be in agreement with them!

[Lord Deprav]

Anyone who thinks the US sucks is simply put a fucking moron. The US helps countries be countries. The US as screwed up may be at time, is one of the straightest countries. Only a few other countries may be a better economy, but those countries have not nearly as much power as the US.

Deprav

[StrayRogue]

Hahaha Deprav, you're a fool. Helps countries be countries? Why won't it let Korea have nuclear weapons?

[Betheny]

Great!! Another thread for Stray to beat his US-hating English dick in. Thanks X.

[Xcalibur]

That's the intention of this topic, he can bash at will, there's really good pro-patriots here, I'm sure it will be VERY interesting.

[Betheny]

just don't let him spooge his hate on the statue of liberty.

[StrayRogue]

Remind me who built and designed that statue Maim. I know for a fact it wasn't your country.

[Betheny]

France made it.

Holy shit, I know something.

[Artha]

Why won't it let Korea have nuclear weapons?

Well, Stray, the Koreans...they really don't like the Japanese. The second they get a nuclear warhead, it'll probably be heading right at Japan. That, or being sold to a terrorist faction...one that probably doesn't like the US.

Duh.

[StrayRogue]

Ah so you're against selling weapons. Isn't that what you did during the first few years of WW2? To the nazi's? Oh yes it is, isn't it.

[peam]

Is that good enough to invoke Godwin's Law and end this?

[Xcalibur]

Godwin's Law prov. [Usenet] "As a Usenet discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one." There is a tradition in many groups that, once this occurs, that thread is over, and whoever mentioned the Nazis has automatically lost whatever argument was in progress. Godwin's Law thus practically guarantees the existence of an upper bound on thread length in those groups. However there is also a widely- recognized codicil that any intentional triggering of Godwin's Law in order to invoke its thread-ending effects will be unsuccessful.


Hehehe

England were better, that's true, when defeating Spain's navy, they didn't went insane by colonizating half the world

[GSTamral]

<<<
Ah so you're against selling weapons. Isn't that what you did during the first few years of WW2? To the nazi's? Oh yes it is, isn't it.
>>>

Incorrect. The United States, prior to world war 2, sold weapons to germany, yes, but not nearly as many weapons as Britain did. Once Poland was invaded, the United States sold no weapons to Germany, or Japan. In fact, Britain was getting its ass kicked in the war until the US came in and saved them. And France, what of their mighty army? they lasted all of a day. The English navy? sunk. The English air force? useless. very much the same as today really.

[GSLeloo]

I know sometimes my views seem like I hate America but the fact is that I really do love it. I may not like the leaders but I love what it stands for and what we have here. No other country in the world has as much freedoms as America does, not even England.

[Hulkein]

Originally posted by StrayRogue
Ah so you're against selling weapons. Isn't that what you did during the first few years of WW2? To the nazi's? Oh yes it is, isn't it.

Nuclear weapon sales is a whole different spectrum there chap. You can't compare it with anything else because nuclear weapons do damage and kill civilians in a manner that would change the world forever, and anyone with a half of brain would not allow the production of these weapons by a renegade nation with obvious evil agendas.

Oh, and as Tamral said, we didn't sell any weapons to Germany or the axis powers after the start of the war.. We actually pretty much gave England an open checkbook, which is the only reason they were able to survive for a long period... then as we all know, the USA had to step in.

[Edited on 12-14-2003 by Hulkein]

[Miss X]

Originally posted by GSLeloo
I know sometimes my views seem like I hate America but the fact is that I really do love it. I may not like the leaders but I love what it stands for and what we have here. No other country in the world has as much freedoms as America does, not even England.

Ah, the sentiments of Karl Marx flow through my veins. Man may seem free, but everywhere he is in chains.

[Xcalibur]

Originally posted by Maimara
France made it.

Holy shit, I know something.

Pretty ironic that the biggest emblem of New-York is from France and was a gift.

[Artha]

A gift for...yeah. Saving their asses in WW2.

[Xcalibur]

28 octobre 1886

sounds a bit before WWII my friend


"The New Collossus"

Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,

With conquering limbs astride from land to land;

Here at the sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand

A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame

Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name

Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand

Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command

The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.

"Keep ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she

With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,

Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,

The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.

Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost, to me,

I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"


[Edited on 14-12-03 by Xcalibur]

[peam]

They gave us the statue before WW2. It was actually a 100th birthday gift, if I remember correctly.

[Skirmisher]

Originally posted by Xcalibur
Pretty ironic that the biggest emblem of New-York is from France and was a gift.

Nah, not so much one of the best things about the US has been our ability to take the best things from other places and incorporate them into our own culture.

Unlike France we are not scared of taking things from other places and using them if they work.

[HarmNone]

I am an American. I live in the United States, and I love it dearly. It is my country and its people are my people. Having lived in other countries, I know that the people of other countries are proud of their homes, just as I am. This is as it should be, eh? :)

HarmNone

[Carl Spackler]

It's plainly obvious that the US is great, and we all know the rest of the world knows it whether they will admit it or not... Think of it this way, if you had to go to war, who would you take with you?

Originally posted by StrayRogue
Hahaha Deprav, you're a fool. Helps countries be countries? Why won't it let Korea have nuclear weapons?


Because they'd use them?

[Syberus]

The 300 greeks that wrecked the shit of the persians for days at Thermopylae. That, or the US.

Since we're playing trivia, who was responsible for the Eifle tower.

[Edaarin]

The 300 Spartans did hold out for a long time so that the Athenians could escape because at Thermoyplae, it was narrow so they could defend it easily and they were better fighters one-on-one than Xerxes' army. Leonidas, the general of the Spartan Equals, became immortalized that day. If they hadn't been betrayed by someone who told Xerxes how to bypass the mountain and attack from behind, they might have held them off even longer. I think it was in 380 BCE, not 100%

Can you tell I just took a Classics final exam?

[Edited on 12-15-2003 by Edaarin]

[Hips]

Originally posted by RangerD1
Since we're playing trivia, who was responsible for the Eifle tower.

"Responsible" ? Not sure if you mean Alexander Gustav Eiffel or not...

[Ravenstorm]

The Sacred Band would be another good choice. :grin:

Raven

[HouseofElves]

Originally posted by StrayRogue
Remind me who built and designed that statue Maim. I know for a fact it wasn't your country.

Damn right France, because we are l33t.

In all seriousness, I do love America, there may a few things I don't like, but staying here and expressing my opinion and trying to change them for what I trust is the better is part of being American. Anyone who just complains and doesn't want to do anything about it can leave as far as I'm concerned.

Plus, we have Slurpees.

[Edaarin]

And I'd have to say the most destructive army (relative to their era) was Philip II of Macedon's. Modified phalanx + sarissas = MURDER. Lesson: don't fuck with armies that have 14 foot spears.

[Betheny]

No one should have nuclear weapons.

But they do.

The things were invented, and thus, they probably aren't so hard to manufacture. What's the only way to stop two people from beating each other with big sticks? Have a bigger stick.

[SpunGirl]

I have no problem with people disliking America. I love it, and I live here, and intend to stay here. If you live here and don't like it, like HouseofElves said, you are free to leave.

If you don't live here and you hate it, fine! But for chrissake have another passion in your life besides bashing America every time someone mentions something even remotely American.

And maybe stop posting on a message board devoted to an MUD run by an American-owned company. I try not to do things to support the economies of countries I disagree with, after all.

-K

[Edited on 12-15-2003 by SpunGirl]

[Edaarin]

I disagreed with China's foreign policy for a long time.

But I got tired of walking around half naked, so my one man boycott of their merchandise didn't last long.

[SpunGirl]

Try Made in the USA By Sweatshop Workers instead.

-K, kidding.

[Syberus]

I think Thermopylae was 480 B.C. And they were badasses, plain and simple.

[Ravenstorm]

Originally posted by Edaarin
And I'd have to say the most destructive army (relative to their era) was Philip II of Macedon's. Modified phalanx + sarissas = MURDER. Lesson: don't fuck with armies that have 14 foot spears.

It was Philip who defeated the Sacred Band of Thebes at the battle of Chaironeiae. He was so impressed with how well they fought that he had them buried where they fell. The monument still stands.

Raven

[CrystalTears]

Originally posted by HouseofElves
Plus, we have Slurpees.

:lol: Sorry to go off topic but I loved that. Gave me a great laugh, thank you.

USA rocks!

[Weedmage Princess]

Glad I was blessed with what I consider the good fortune to be an American. I wouldn't want to call any other place home.

[Jenisi]

USA! USA! I feel so secure with my country. I love the freedom, the security, and the chances this country gives me. USA! USA!

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by Xcalibur
England were better, that's true, when defeating Spain's navy, they didn't went insane by colonizating half the world


I guess the phrase "The sun never sets on the English Empire" was just a big joke, right?

Ass.

America is the best country ever, hands down. That doesn't mean it's good, or upright, or a moral powerhouse, it's just the best.

[Solkern]

USA fucking blows, I can't wait till I get out of this country.

[Meos]

I hate the french, fuckin bastereds. If it wasn't for us you'd be fuckin germans. Thanks for the statue of liberty.

[Xcalibur]

If it wasn't for «us», Europe INCLUDING UK would be fuckin germans, you moron

[Meos]

I bet the Germans wouldn't act like dicks to Americans

[Solkern]

If it wasn't for the USA? no if it wasn't for JAPAN they'd be german, USA would have done jack shit if japan didnt bomb pearl harbor.
I'd love to go to greece

[Ben]

I like how everyones like "YEAH TILL THE U.S SAVED YOUR ASSES!" The U.S joined WW2 after the attack Pearl Harbor. Thanks.

[Solkern]

Exactly and USA would have NEVER joined if japan didnt attack us.

[Xcalibur]

Eh.... Can someone show a report that showed the USA would NOT engaged the axis in ANY condition beside first aggression?

[i remember halloween]

and if the queen had balls she'd be the king...

[peam]

Originally posted by Xcalibur
Eh.... Can someone show a report that showed the USA would NOT engaged the axis in ANY condition beside first aggression?

I suspect that the United States would have eventually entered the war, but without a first attack, the public wouldn't have supported the move, thus resulting in a less sincere effort and maybe even a stalemale/loss on the Allies' side.

Woodrow Wilson convinced the people of the United States to enter WWI because, however terrible the sacrifice may be, this would be the war to end all wars.

Naturally, when WW2 sprang about (Which was ironically a direct circumstance of the partitioning of Europe after WWI.) the United States public opinion of joining the war was very low. They had, after all, just sent a number of men to die thirty years earlier.

Churchill made constant visits to the US, trying to convince Roosevelt to enter the fray, but the public support just wasn't strong enough. This obviously changed after the attack on Pearl Harbor. I side with the tinfoil hatters on the theory that Pearl Harbor could have been prevented, but wasn't due to the necesarry need of public support to enter the war.

[Solkern]

USA at that time believed in Isolationism
With that belief they had no reason to join the war, if they were going to join, why didn't they join when every damn country in europe was asking them to help.
They didn't start till Japan Bombed them, so they broke the policy and started fucking up shit, USA would have maintained Isolationism. Because Germany actaully had no desire to go after the USA.


[Edited on 12-16-2003 by Solkern]

Originally posted by Solkern
USA at that time believed in Isolationism
With that belief they had no reason to join the war, if they were going to join, why didn't they join when every damn country in europe was asking them to help.
They didn't start till Japan Bombed them, so they broke the policy and started fucking up shit, USA would have maintained Isolationism. Because Germany actaully had no desire to go after the USA.


[Edited on 12-16-2003 by Solkern]


The president at the time was trying to garner public support for entering the war, but he did not have it until after pearl harbor.

[Solkern]

So Xcalibur that is the answer to your question why USA would have not joined the war; Isolationism. that was teh USoA forigen policy before the war, during the war, and would have stayed for the duration of the war if it was not for japan, Movie pearl harbor, what Japan's admiral said, that they woke a sleeping giant, was a true quote, Japan knew they fucked up when the brought the US out of there forigen policy and intot he war

[Xcalibur]

So, you, mister, are saying that the US wouldn't lift a finger if France, Polland, Spain, Portugal (don't know the english name), Egypt, Maroc, Tunésie, Algérie, Suisse, Suède, UK would had been nazi?

Eh, either the us did trick the japanese into attacking them, the us were TOTALY surprised (yeah right) in Pearl Harbor, or whatever happened isn't important. Saying they would let all that happen is stupid

Remember that they give what.. 20% of their weaponry to UssR as a "lend" program? (20 is not accurate)

(sleeping dragon)

[Edited on 16-12-03 by Xcalibur]

[Solkern]

Actually rangerd1, the president wasn't trying to gain public support, I just finished my course in ww2.
The president was teh one who believed in isolationism, why would he try to get public support to join the war?
The pres. was the one that supported Isolationism
and the people supported it also, due to the fact of what happened in ww1

[StrayRogue]

Didn't Japan agree to come into the war simply so it could bomb the Americans? I thought that was one of the main reasons the Japs joined Hitler.

[Lord Deprav]

Stray in response to your question. You are a fucking idiot. North Korea does have nuclear weapons. And yah know what? It isn't us. Its the fucking United Nations. Oh maybe it is us. I forget we run the United Nations. I can't believe you keep on going on about the UK. You must be plain dumb. Go pick up a news paper and read an article or two from time to time.

Deprav

[Solkern]

US is fucked up.
islationism was maintained and would have been maintained even if eurpoe fell, that's what isolationism IS.
US knew germany wanted nothing to do with us, they knew it, we knew it.
IF europe fell, Germany would have not even thought of going towards north america.

[Edited on 12-16-2003 by Solkern]

[StrayRogue]

For once you are right about something, the US sort of runs the UN. Rather it supports it. Then falls down on anyone who disagrees with it. Then ignores it when it feels nessesary. Go do some reading of your own.

[Meos]

let the record state:

Meos is not an idiot, he understands that the US entered WW2 when Japan attacked Pearl Harbor. He also knows that the French let Germany walk right into Paris. He also knows that without the our help in WW2, he would be going to Paris for Oktober fest.

[Xcalibur]

Hmm

I recall Roosevelt panic when he realized USSR were going to capture germany and keep them to themselves

He did a conference to tell Staline to hold his damn horses and he wouldn't had it totaly.

For someone that didn't care about europe...

[Solkern]

Deprav read a newspaper??? HAHAHHA that's funny shit, like you act like the NEWSPAPER will give you any facts, the news paper is a tool used by the govt to maintain order in the US.
Look at vietnam, what the news was saying was all bullshit. they put out what the govt wants them to, to maintain public support.
the US runs everything.
I remember the NEWS kept giving out casulties reports of the viets.
After about 2 weeks people started adding up the figures and they found out with the figures the NEWS was putting out, the WHOLE population of vietnam was wiped out days ago.

[StrayRogue]

Heh, who remembers that scene in Full Metal Jacket when they are discussing the "correct" way to say search and destroy? Good point Solkern.

[Solkern]

First off all, lets get the facts straight out WW2, USA knew the whole time germany and hitler where building up forces in germany, we didn't care you know why? our feelings at the time was COMMUNISM was teh biggest threat in the world, and russia was run by a commie
So if russa wanted to spread they'd have to go thru germany first, that's why germany was allowed to build up there forces, that's another reason why we maintained isolationism so badly, because of the communism threat.

[Edited on 12-16-2003 by Solkern]