QQ server downtime

[Keller]

My wife went to the archives from 10 am - 7 pm. Leaving me alone to play WoW. And the servers are down until 8 pm our time. QQ.

[Tsa`ah]

Sounds like the perfect time for you to grab some wine and cheese and go sit in the park ... later you can go to an outdoor cafe and watch the endless fashion show parade down the side walk.

[Keller]

I went to the market street and picked up some roast meat for lunch. They seriously know how to cook meat here. No fancy spices -- just juicy meatiness.

But now I'm back at the apartment waiting for the servers to come up. Doing some paid work -- but wishing I had an excuse to stop.

[TheEschaton]

You like juicy meatiness in your meat, don't you? Just gobble it down!

[Drew2]

I, like Keller, am being forced to *only* work rather than working on one screen and playing WoW on the other. You'd think after over 3 years I'd be used to Tuesdays, but no. It still fucking blows.

[TheEschaton]

As an aside: my main rogue is now 57. Where should I grind for gold for my epic mount?

Fuck, I can't believe I picked up a new addiction in the middle of law school. This is my coke.

[Tsa`ah]

As an aside: my main rogue is now 57. Where should I grind for gold for my epic mount?

Fuck, I can't believe I picked up a new addiction in the middle of law school. This is my coke.

Grind to 58 or 59 and hit the outlands ... gold and exp (pre-60) are better there.

[TheEschaton]

I know I'm a total tard, but how do I get to Outlands?

[Sean of the Thread]

You need to buy the burning crusade if you haven't yet.

Gear welfare and gold a plenty awaits you.

[Drew2]

Have a mage port you to Shatt or go to Blasted Lands and walk through the Dark Portal.


Edit: Yes you must also own Burning Crusade.

[Tsa`ah]

Just go through the blasted lands and hit the portal. You're confused enough at this point.

[Sean of the Thread]

Tsa'ah just fucking wit you.

Goto Tanaris and find the insect hive to the south of the map at like 69, 78. Go down there and fight your way thru to the back.

There will be a glowing bug on the wall.. when you find that click on the bug and use your hearthstone and you'll be warped to Outland flight point.

[Tsa`ah]

Don't share the hack!

[TheEschaton]

I own TBC, I'll check it out.

[Parkbandit]

So, how are you liking your rogue? It's going to suck for you to get into any end game raiding guild.. no matter how good you are.. on a rogue though :(

[TheEschaton]

I like him fine enough, but I definitely want to move to something more difficult and skill intensive. I feel like rogue is playing the game on ez mode, for the most part.

What suggestions for class? I've made toons in every prof just to get a flavor of what they are, but none of them are very high. I'll probably go to Outland, get my mount, then work on one of the toons to be my first to cap at 70.

[Some Rogue]

There are no "difficult" classes really.

I'd go with a tank or healer class though.

Pally, warrior, druid or priest. Shaman just suck, especially elemental ones. :P

[Tsa`ah]

If you don't want EZ mode, rogue, lock, hunter, paladin ... these are not for you.

[Sean of the Thread]

Tank or Healer is the most fun challenge wise.

Sooo if you like your rogue (stealth crutch) go druid or priest imo. (those are my favorite)

[Parkbandit]

If it were me.. I'd go druid. You can spec for healing or tanking and dpsing. I love playing my 39 twink druid. I got a 920 crit ravage on some poor 37 clothie yesterday... one shot wtf pwn.

[Sean of the Thread]

Droood is the way to go.


(until we get nerfed)

[Trouble]

I like him fine enough, but I definitely want to move to something more difficult and skill intensive. I feel like rogue is playing the game on ez mode, for the most part.

What suggestions for class? I've made toons in every prof just to get a flavor of what they are, but none of them are very high. I'll probably go to Outland, get my mount, then work on one of the toons to be my first to cap at 70.

I agree on tanks or heals for a more challenging experience. Druid combines both (different gear/specs of course) and still allows stealth like Sean2 mentioned. Druids have a lot to offer; I rolled my druid with the intent on being a tank and have now taken him Moonkin (caster DPS). That's the great thing about them; if you get sick of one aspect, respec and try something different for a bit.

Toting around more than one set of gear can suck at times, but any challenging class/role will need more than one set of gear anyway.

The only downsides to being a druid, horde-side, are 1) that you have to be a cow (better than NE, but just plain too big in some situations), and 2) you don't get the panther for cat form.

[Alfster]

Meh, the druid spec that'll get nerfed is Resto.

Feral'll get a buff.

[Sean of the Thread]

Yeah the cows are too fucking big for tanking especially. Can't see wtf is going on in confined spaces/dungeons.

I used to love that noggenfogger worked in forms. Fucking realllly pissed me off when i couldn't tank shrinked or in skelly... soo much easier to see wtf is going on.

[oldanforgotten]

So, how are you liking your rogue? It's going to suck for you to get into any end game raiding guild.. no matter how good you are.. on a rogue though :(


Not true. Most guilds in SSC/TK carry 3 raiding rogues for 2 spots. In Hyjal/BT that generally expands to 3 rogues per raid, meaning 4 have to be carried. Most guilds transitioning into Hyjal and BT get another rogue, because most of the fights are single target, and rogues and sac-a-slut locks tend to be the strongest classes for single target DPS.

The classes get lost in the mix are the hybrid ones. Not many endgame guilds want a boomkin, elemental shaman (except for Vashj), or ret pally.

The most common raid setups are
Tanks:
2 prot warriors
1 Fury Warrior with tanking gear
1 Prot pally
1 Feral Druid
Healers:
4 Holy Paladin (1 of which has strong tanking gear as well)
3 Disc/Holy Priest
2 Resto Druid
2 Resto Shaman (1 of which has Enhancement Gear as well)
Melee:
4 Rogues (2 x combat sword, 1x hemo, 1x combat dagger)
1 Enhancement Shaman
1 Utility (MS Warrior or Ret Pally)
Ranged:
5 Warlocks
3 Hunters
3 Mages
3 Shadow Priest
1 Utility (Boomkin, Elem Shaman, Extra Lock)

Or some close variation thereof. The only class that tends to get less lovin is mages, because other than Archimonde for decursing, their damage tends to sag behind other ranged DPS for almost every fight.
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[Alfster]

Not true. Most guilds in SSC/TK carry 3 raiding rogues for 2 spots. In Hyjal/BT that generally expands to 3 rogues per raid, meaning 4 have to be carried. Most guilds transitioning into Hyjal and BT get another rogue, because most of the fights are single target, and rogues and sac-a-slut locks tend to be the strongest classes for single target DPS.

The classes get lost in the mix are the hybrid ones. Not many endgame guilds want a boomkin, elemental shaman (except for Vashj), or ret pally.

The most common raid setups are
Tanks:
2 prot warriors
1 Fury Warrior with tanking gear
1 Prot pally
1 Feral Druid
Healers:
4 Holy Paladin (1 of which has strong tanking gear as well)
3 Disc/Holy Priest
2 Resto Druid
2 Resto Shaman (1 of which has Enhancement Gear as well)
Melee:
4 Rogues (2 x combat sword, 1x hemo, 1x combat dagger)
1 Enhancement Shaman
1 Utility (MS Warrior or Ret Pally)
Ranged:
5 Warlocks
3 Hunters
3 Mages
3 Shadow Priest
1 Utility (Boomkin, Elem Shaman, Extra Lock)

Or some close variation thereof. The only class that tends to get less lovin is mages, because other than Archimonde for decursing, their damage tends to sag behind other ranged DPS for almost every fight.

I think his point was that there are 108989027398407239807328974 bajillion rogues on dunemaul.

[crazymage]

Tom Brady tanks with his eyes closed and no add ons.

[Parkbandit]

Not true. Most guilds in SSC/TK carry 3 raiding rogues for 2 spots. In Hyjal/BT that generally expands to 3 rogues per raid, meaning 4 have to be carried. Most guilds transitioning into Hyjal and BT get another rogue, because most of the fights are single target, and rogues and sac-a-slut locks tend to be the strongest classes for single target DPS.

The classes get lost in the mix are the hybrid ones. Not many endgame guilds want a boomkin, elemental shaman (except for Vashj), or ret pally.

The most common raid setups are
Tanks:
2 prot warriors
1 Fury Warrior with tanking gear
1 Prot pally
1 Feral Druid
Healers:
4 Holy Paladin (1 of which has strong tanking gear as well)
3 Disc/Holy Priest
2 Resto Druid
2 Resto Shaman (1 of which has Enhancement Gear as well)
Melee:
4 Rogues (2 x combat sword, 1x hemo, 1x combat dagger)
1 Enhancement Shaman
1 Utility (MS Warrior or Ret Pally)
Ranged:
5 Warlocks
3 Hunters
3 Mages
3 Shadow Priest
1 Utility (Boomkin, Elem Shaman, Extra Lock)

Or some close variation thereof. The only class that tends to get less lovin is mages, because other than Archimonde for decursing, their damage tends to sag behind other ranged DPS for almost every fight.

3 fucking rogues per group /= available slots open for a new rogue who is turning level 70 to get into a new guild.. which was my point. Try fucking reading next time.

I'm playing on the same server that TheE is.. and on the same Horde side. While your insight into raiding SSC and TK is amazing and breathtaking.. it has zero to do with the actual population and popularity of horde rogues... and offers zero to the actual dilemma that TheE actually faces.

But really.. keep posting your stupendous knowledge of everything.. we never, ever get tired of it... really.

[Sean of the Thread]

Alok should def roll a druid if he likes rogue.

[Tsa`ah]

As mentioned, on Dunemaul you can't spit without hitting a rogue ... or lock ... or hunter.

Very few guilds will pick up any of those classes unless they're bringing an alt toon of value to the table. Which means if you want to instance on Dunemaul as a newer player ... healing class or tank. You can open the LFG tool at any time and see any of the aforementioned classes sitting and waiting ... often grouped together waiting for .... you guessed it, a tank and healer.

Druids are probably the most versatile class there is, followed by Pals and Priests ... Sham could probably be mentioned as well

The nifty thing about any of those 3 classes is that you can pose as a healer for a while and actually pick up gear for another build without pissing anyone off. As a healer you can pick your groups with ease. If you're a priest, you join groups that lack clothies. If you're a druid you join groups that lack rogues. If you're a healadin you don't need to really worry about it ... though joining groups with a druid tank gives you the ideal setting for loot selection.

Other classes can't be selective ... it's take them as they come or kick rocks waiting for something more to your liking.

At 70 you can be a instance healing whore and build a few different armor/weapon sets ... and then get yourself into guild pretty easily.

[TheEschaton]

I have a druid rolled up to 12, but again, I'm afraid I'll just go all cat form and be a rogue with another name.

I have an undead priest who I might try, because that'll be fun. Should I do Shadow for lvling, respec to holy at 70? Is it even feasible to lvl with holy, because it might be nice to actually be a healer in instances.

-TheE-

[Drew2]

Even as shadow, you can heal just fine in instances before 60.

[Sean of the Thread]

Even as shadow, you can heal just fine in instances before 60.

Almost all the instances non heroic really if you're not a complete nubbles and have a set of healing gear.

[CrystalTears]

I have a druid rolled up to 12, but again, I'm afraid I'll just go all cat form and be a rogue with another name.
Yes but a rogue that can change back and heal themselves. ;)

[Sean of the Thread]

Yes but a rogue that can change back and heal themselves. ;)

Exactly.

And escape. And find groups.

[TheEschaton]

Damn. I hate maintenance.

[Parkbandit]

Get a job!

(How long is it down for? I'm off by 1pm :P )

[Some Rogue]

Ok, so I need ways to grief someone on my own faction...anyone have ideas?

Basically what happened was I was out mining, got aggro because for some fucking reason blizzard decided that a basilisk is going to give a fuck that I am mining and aggro me from farther away. So I start to kill it and a horde rogue lands and starts mining it....I'm like wtf??? He replies, "you snooze you lose". I vanish so he gets aggro, he vanishes and the mob runs away. I start to mine again and a different mob aggros me from further away this time! Eventually the fucking asshole ninjas my node and leaves. So now he needs to suffer...:shoot:

[Skeeter]

Smash his laptop. If that doesn't work, find out where he goes to school and tell the kids there he is gay, then run over his cat.

[Sean of the Thread]

Don't call him a boy toucher unless you want 3 hours off.

[Alfster]

Sadly, this would only work pre-mount.

MANTRAIN HIM

One of the features of World of Warcraft is a "follow" command, which sets your character to automatically follow another character. This ostensibly makes it easy for parties to stay together, and for others to lead you to difficult-to-find areas. However, there is also no ability to stop anyone from following you whenever they choose to - probably because it doesn't affect your character directly.

Building a mantrain is the first step - it's recommended to have at least four characters for a mantrain, including the one being followed. The best players to follow are newbies, and they'll often be anybody below level 10. Identifying a newbie is simple - when you begin following them their character will stop, visibly look around (they haven't mastered the camera yet), and then begin a series of jerking experiments to discover that, yes, you are following their every move.

Typical behavior for a mantrain is incessant chatter about irrelevant things - making sure to trigger the profanity filter as reasonably often as possible - and constant emotes, including /dance whenever the followed player stops for whatever reason. Voice emotes will allow you to flirt, tell jokes, and generally fill up the griefed player's speakers with bullshit. Send fast-running characters off to buy booze at inns whenever you run out - the 'drunk' messages will fill up the chat window even when your characters are being actively ignored.

The only escape from a mantrain is for the followed character to die in a dungeon and run into the wilderness after resurrecting at a graveyard, or for them to log off. An advanced griefing technique that may end up getting you banned is to add followed newbies to your friends-list so that you can follow them whenever they log on.

The final step is to watch for mention of your mantraining on the appropriate realm forum and lol.

[Jayvn]

pwnd by server downtime....

So we were in blood furnace not paying attention..got to the room right before the last boss..
Server going down in 15:00
FUCK so we killed as fast as we could, I ran in the room and got my inspect quest at the last minute lol, I did see one guy running..like maybe 3 or 4 feet from the door when we dc'd I LOL'd ... outlands is fucking fun :) and the greens out here are 10x better than any shit I'd seen up to that point.

[Some Rogue]

Sadly, this would only work pre-mount.

MANTRAIN HIM



I bet that's not the first time you've been a part of a "mantrain".

[Sean of the Thread]

pwnt

[Drew]

As an aside: my main rogue is now 57. Where should I grind for gold for my epic mount?

Fuck, I can't believe I picked up a new addiction in the middle of law school. This is my coke.

You should do real coke, at least you'd be thinner.

[Drew]

Does anyone know why all of Keller's posts about WoW seem to start with some circumstance involving his wife leaving the house?

[Sean of the Thread]

I like pepsi.

[Skeeter]

Does anyone know why all of Keller's posts about WoW seem to start with some circumstance involving his wife leaving the house?

Maybe Keller is Wezas in disguise.