Giantman Problems

[Soriel]

Is the list of critters that are "too small to be aimed at" big for giantman race?

[Gan]

Too small to be aimed at?

:wtf:

[Soriel]

Yeah, some critters are apparently too small for Giantman to ambush a specific bodypart at. Similar to the dwarves can't hit the head problem.

[Latrinsorm]

Recently (within the past year or so) aiming was changed to more comprehensively take size into account. A result of this was that giantkin (being the tallest of the races) became unable to aim at sufficiently small creatures.

No list exists, so it is difficult to say whether the portion is "big". Given the lack of whinging about it on the officials, I'd wager it is not.

[Bobmuhthol]

wtrick appraise tells you (or can you just use appraise now?), but yeah, I don't know if there's a list anywhere.

But that change is definitely way more than a year old; they just redid it to make it more "accurate."

[BigWorm]

For example, I know this applies to arch wights (and probably other types of wights too). I barely ever use appraise, so I don't know if that shows this info, but I think Bob's probably right.

[Soriel]

Wait Arch wights are too small to aim at? Anyone try aiming at a dryad or a giant rat or some other small critter. If GS is consistent then anything above say a dryad is aimable by a Giantman etc. so you can at least get a range of aimable critters.

[thefarmer]

Except, as far as I'm aware, dryad isn't a creature in GS.

[Bobmuhthol]

Giants can't aim at rats or roltons, but they can aim at kobolds. I at least remember that much.

[Gan]

If giants were using giant weapons that obscurred the relative reality of aiming at such small targets then I'd buy into this. As it stands, giants use the same size weaponry as humans, elves, and halflings. Thus a giant that can hold such a weapon should be able to control it sufficiently enough to aim for the head of a small target.

Now if said giant were swinging a tree trunk, then aiming at the head would present itself with hitting pretty much the top half or whole body of a small target.

Another half baked sense of realism brought to you buy the valuted GM staff at Simutronics.

:clap:

[Hunter D]

Giantman unable to hit certain bodyparts because they are slightly bigger is idiotic. I'm a 5'10 human and can hit a rolton's eye, all of a sudden I'm a 6'3 giantman and magically I can't see the rolton's eye because it's too small? Give me a break.

[Asha]

I buy into it a little. Maybe a modified roll penalty would be better becouse I can cirtainly say I'd have trouble being a giant, hitting something smaller than my knees in the eye.
But yeah it's not too important and pretty much what Gan said.

[Soriel]

I'm over 6 foot and I play tennis. I hit things fine below my knees and this is hitting a small ball coming at me at 80 mph +. I think they call it... wait for it.... bending your knees !!

[Asha]

THEN A DWARF CAN JUMP!!!

[Gan]

Not to mention being a giant gives you a longer reach to hit those small places.

And forgetabout any 'magical' enhancing characteristics that might be race oriented. I love putting realistic premises on a magical universe when the realistic premises are based on non-magical constraints.

I know a line has to be drawn somewhere, but come on.

[Guarrin]

You can also add Waern's in the Broken Tower to the list. Found that out the other day.

Fortunately, I don't think I've seen this issue in Stronghold/Darkstone.

Although, in stronghold you do see messaging indicating that you are not tall enough to ambush head/neck while they are standing.

[The Ponzzz]

Giantmen don't have knees.

[Savageheart]

Has anyone tested this I thought (have no idea, its an assumption which is dangerous but I am curious as I haven't ambushed on a character in years and was thinking of picking up open ambushing with my bard) that it would have worked the same was as shorties in reverse meaning Giantkin couldn't leg smaller creatures not that they couldn't hit them in the head.

That would at least make some sense as anyone can aim from the top down, where as I could see short of using a golf club legging smaller critters might be a problem...

Either way, only seeing theory craft not actual referencing.

[Some Rogue]

Has anyone tested this I thought (have no idea, its an assumption which is dangerous but I am curious as I haven't ambushed on a character in years and was thinking of picking up open ambushing with my bard) that it would have worked the same was as shorties in reverse meaning Giantkin couldn't leg smaller creatures not that they couldn't hit them in the head.

That would at least make some sense as anyone can aim from the top down, where as I could see short of using a golf club legging smaller critters might be a problem...

Either way, only seeing theory craft not actual referencing.


Nope, you can't aim at all on smaller creatures. My giant was aiming for the head of wood sprites in Illistim and they're too small.

[Ilvane]

THEN A DWARF CAN JUMP!!!

It actually makes sense that a dwarf or halfling wouldn't be able to hit some larger creatures in the eye ambushing.

It doesn't make as much sense on the giantman side though, unless they just expect giantkin to just squash rather than be able to aim because of the huge hands they have.

Don't buy it myself.

Angela

[Latrinsorm]

As it stands, giants use the same size weaponry as humans, elves, and halflings.The same relative size. Objects in GemStone automagically resize when passed between various races of different sizes: this is why a Giantkin's short sword isn't a gnome's claidhmore.

It's pretty easy to stab a human precisely in the eye with a screwdriver. I would suggest that the same cannot be said for stabbing a rat and strongly discourage anyone from testing this for themselves.

[Gan]

The same relative size. Objects in GemStone automagically resize when passed between various races of different sizes: this is why a Giantkin's short sword isn't a gnome's claidhmore.
Where is this documented? I've never heard of this until today. :lol:



It's pretty easy to stab a human precisely in the eye with a screwdriver. I would suggest that the same cannot be said for stabbing a rat and strongly discourage anyone from testing this for themselves.

I would say you're leaving out two huge variables.
1. Training which affects the ability to stab accurately any target at any size.
2. Motion of the target. Immobilize both targets and your chances of hitting either with equal repitition are pretty good I would think.

[CrystalTears]

Where is this documented? I've never heard of this until today. :lol:
Heh, I don't believe it's documented, just observed. A snug fitting dress on a giant suddenly is snug on a halfling. Yeah right. :D

[Gan]

Thats right! We live in world of magic! Which brings me back to my first point.

Its a stupid rule!

[CrystalTears]

You're playing the same game I am, right? And all rules have made sense, when?

[Bobmuhthol]

Where is this documented? I've never heard of this until today. :lol:

Bitch is you for real?

[Latrinsorm]

Where is this documented? I've never heard of this until today. :lol:Use a dagger with a giantkin, hand it to a gnome (1/3 the height of a giantkin) and it's still a dagger (same AvD, ease of aiming, etc.). This couldn't be the case if it remained the same absolute size.
I would say you're leaving out two huge variables.
1. Training which affects the ability to stab accurately any target at any size.
2. Motion of the target. Immobilize both targets and your chances of hitting either with equal repitition are pretty good I would think.I'm not saying that a binary check is the perfect solution. I'm saying that it's not ridiculous or "half-baked".

[Gan]

You're playing the same game I am, right? And all rules have made sense, when?

Word.

I should just save my effort for something else. This amounts to nothing but... :banghead:

[Gan]

Bitch is you for real?

I'm as real as the itch in yo drawas. ;)