Countdown till Wade Phillips is fired thread

[Skeeter]

With 4 minutes to go and 3 & 20 it's clear Dallas will lose this game


How soon will Wade be fired and Jason Garett be named Head coach? Post-game conference?

[Zentoph]

take it back! Dallas isn't losing

[Skeeter]

miracled a first down there.

[Skeeter]

21 seconds to go till wade is fired.

[Zentoph]

play of the game right here!!

[Zentoph]

9 seconds=/

[Skeeter]

ballgame. god the patriots are going to kill whoever wins against gb and ny. Not one good team other than the pats in the NFL.

I by no means am a pats fan.

and LOL @ Cowboys not winning a playoff game in like 15 years.

[Stanley Burrell]

That was a good game (even though I got banned from watching it when the evidence of 0 offensive blockers and Barber moved the ball 121340218 yards.) I don't understand what the hell all this Giants vs. Dallas beef shit is all about. I liked the Family Guy advertisements. Those were good.

[Ilvane]

That was a nailbiter.

Who would have thought the Manning left in the playoffs would be Eli?

Angela

[Augie]

ballgame. god the patriots are going to kill whoever wins against gb and ny. Not one good team other than the pats in the NFL.

I by no means am a pats fan.

and LOL @ Cowboys not winning a playoff game in like 15 years.

WRONG! Green Bay is going to kick New England's ass in the SuperBowl

[Stanley Burrell]

That was a nailbiter.

Who would have thought the Manning left in the playoffs would be Eli?

Angela

He's lucky he got sacked so quickly on the Dallas blitzes or he prolly would've ran the ball the opposite way fifty yards each down.

[crazymage]

WRONG! Green Bay is going to kick New England's ass in the SuperBowl

ILL KILL YOU.

[Ilvane]

WRONG! Green Bay is going to kick New England's ass in the SuperBowl


hehe, riiiiiight.

Edited to add: Might be a good game, though!

[Latrinsorm]

He's lucky he got sacked so quickly on the Dallas blitzes or he prolly would've ran the ball the opposite way fifty yards each down.lol, so true. WHY DOES HE DO THAT

[Kefka]

Giants refuse to get swept by any team. Not to Dallas and, soon, not to New England. Whoooo!!!

[Stanley Burrell]

Giants refuse to get swept by any team. Not to Dallas and, soon, not to New England. Whoooo!!!

I'm a pretty big NYG fan, but if they outmatched the Patriots, I'd shit a brick. Like, an actual brick of rectangularly-shaped poop.

[Hulkein]

Hey Cowboys fans: suck it queers.

[Skeeter]

WRONG! Green Bay is going to kick New England's ass in the SuperBowl

You basing this on GB getting absolutely rolled up by Dallas this season?

[Tsa`ah]

You basing this on GB getting absolutely rolled up by Dallas this season?

We must have watched different games because I remember a 10 point victory for Dallas ... not a rolling.

[Brattt8525]

The CowBoys have been less than stellar for the last 5 games <inclusing this game> I knew they would lose today, I as a Dallas fan can admit it when they are just being asshats.

Peoiple can hate on them all they want, BUT they have a bunch of talent and *weapons*. They have been in a 5 game funk plain and simple. I am still amazed that a couple of them went to Haweii, WTF NOONE deserved to be going anywhere except the practice field after their last 4 games.

As a fan I am sad they are out of the running, but anyone could see it coming from the last 4 games. NY had better enjoy this because they won't be in the playoffs for much longer LOL

[Tsa`ah]

I think you're under the impression that there are Giants fans posting about the downfall of Dallas.

[TheEschaton]

Can you imagine, though, if NYG beat the Pack?

Holy shit, it'll be like some sort of grand rematch - the team that almost beat the Pats in the last game find their heart to come back and....?

[Guarrin]

Can you imagine, though, if NYG beat the Pack?

Holy shit, it'll be like some sort of grand rematch - the team that almost beat the Pats in the last game find their heart to come back and....?

Get rocked by NE. I'd love to see that happen, but I just don't think it will.

The only two teams that I thought had a SHOT at beating the Pats are now out of the playoffs (Colts and Jags).

I honestly don't think Eli has it in him to go to GB and get the W. If he was complaining about throwing in the cold weather 3 weeks ago in NY, I can't imagine he'll play well in GB.

I just don't see anyone stopping the pats :(

[Apathy]

You basing this on GB getting absolutely rolled up by Dallas this season?

Just like how the Buckeyes had the best defense in the country all year so they should be able to stop anyone right?

Green Bay actually matches up pretty well across the board with the Pats. The teams are almost a mirror of each other. The problem is the Pats could very well be superior in every facet, even if its only by a little bit.

But... Favre...

GO PACK GO

[Davenshire]

WRONG! Green Bay is going to kick New England's ass in the SuperBowl


x2

[TheEschaton]

Favre is my only hope left.

[Skeeter]

Just like how the Buckeyes had the best defense in the country all year so they should be able to stop anyone right?


Pointless analogy and your attempt at a cheap shot.



Green Bay actually matches up pretty well across the board with the Pats. The teams are almost a mirror of each other. The problem is the Pats could very well be superior in every facet, even if its only by a little bit.


If their superior on every facet I guess by definition they DON'T match up very well.


But... Favre...

Debatable. Brady is having the best single season in NFL history. Favre is old and his best days are behind him, unless of course he's on the Barry Bonds Balco rejuvenation plan.

[Sean of the Thread]

Go pack go.

[Skeeter]

Go pack go.

Don't twist your ankle jumping off that TB bandwagon.

On the other hand maybe I'll take your lead.

Go Pats go.

[Sean of the Thread]

There is a TB bandwagon?


Anyways I'll root for anyone playing against the fagriots.

Especially a team with one my all time favorite football players.

[Skeeter]

Mark Chmura?

[Hulkein]

I bought a Favre jersey so fair warning to all Packers fans that is probably the biggest jinx possible. My list of jerseys is pretty sad, every one I get the player sucks, gets injured, etc.

[Anebriated]

I bought a Favre jersey so fair warning to all Packers fans that is probably the biggest jinx possible. My list of jerseys is pretty sad, every one I get the player sucks, gets injured, etc.

Just FYI, I apologize for Dawkins getting injured this year. Same thing always seems to happen to me. Bought myself a Dawkins jersey around the time training camp started...

[Sean of the Thread]

Mark Chmura?

Damn straight. If there is grass on the field PLAY BALL!

[Latrinsorm]

Brady is having the best single season in NFL history.He's not even having the best single season of the past decade, let alone all of NFL history.

[Kefka]

Giants - The Original ROAD Warriors

Dallas would've been the favorites vs. GB. Now they're gonna face the lesser of the two. Just saying... :)

[Skeeter]

He's not even having the best single season of the past decade, let alone all of NFL history.

NFL MVP
50 TD passes (single season record)
8 Picks
117.2 QB rating
nearly 70% completion.
4800+ yards
undefeated season.
record for highest completion % ever in a regular or post-season game. 92.9%

Yeah his season sucks.

[Latrinsorm]

NFL MVPAll that means is he was the best player this year (in the eyes of the press, who have not exactly demonstrated they're the brainiest bunch).
50 TD passes (single season record)
8 Picks
117.2 QB ratingManning's 2004 had a better TD %, passer rating, and higher yards per attempt and completion. The only edge Brady has is 2 less picks.
undefeated season.Team stat.
record for highest completion % ever in a regular or post-season game. 92.9%A great game doesn't make a great season.
Yeah his season sucks.I didn't say it did. I said it was inferior to others, which it is.

[Anebriated]

hes near the top of the list so far, thats for sure. If he can add super bowl MVP to the list then he will be the top.

[Latrinsorm]

Don't even get me started on how inane Super Bowl MVP awards have become.

[Anebriated]

Should I get started on the bandwagon of hating the pats?

[TheEschaton]

Ah, Mark Chmura, another fine BC football grad.

Add him to the list with Willie Green.

[Skeeter]

All that means is he was the best player this year
Oddly enough THIS year is what we are talking about.


Manning's 2004 had a better TD %, passer rating, and higher yards per attempt and completion. The only edge Brady has is 2 less picks. So Brady has thrown the ball more and had less picks. Sounds pretty significant to me.

Team stat.

Of which the QB is the most important position. Trying to just dismiss this is irresponsible.


A great game doesn't make a great season.

A great game during the season is an indicator of the whole. Also this was in the playoffs, on a national stage against a solid defense.


I didn't say it did. I said it was inferior to others, which it is.

Your opinion. Which of course is wrong.

[TheEschaton]

wait, he had a 92.9% completion against the Jags? Fuck.


Stupid smug bastard.

[oldanforgotten]

Just like how the Buckeyes had the best defense in the country all year so they should be able to stop anyone right?

Green Bay actually matches up pretty well across the board with the Pats. The teams are almost a mirror of each other. The problem is the Pats could very well be superior in every facet, even if its only by a little bit.

But... Favre...

GO PACK GO

being a dolphins fan, I'm already locked into draft-watching, but this caught my eye, where exactly do they match up evenly? I'm not saying GB can't win, its why they play the games, but dude. The only team that could match up was the Colts.

Green Bay vs N.E Matchups:

QB: Favre vs Brady
Favre is a legend of the game, one of my personal favorite players, and he?s having a ton of fun. Hard to say this about any legend of the game, but he?s no Tom Brady.
Advantage Pats.

RB: Grant vs Maroney
Both teams are pass first oriented teams, and both RB?s have thrived when given a chance. I?d give the edge to Grant simply because he has better breakaway speed, and a better nose for the hole, but this is close, especially considering Faulk is one of the better third down backs in the league, and an asset catching passes out of the backfield, something Green Bay lacks.

WR/TE: Moss, Stallworth, Welker, Watson vs Donald Driver, Greg Jennings, James Jones, Donald Lee.
Other than Stallworth and Jennings being relatively even, every other position is so far in the Patriots favor, its like comparing a college team to a high school team. Yes I know Donald Lee had more catches than Watson, but Watson is a freak of nature athlete that blocks his fair share as well, and is a much faster and crisper route runner.

Offensive Line: New England has a rock solid line up and down, with 3 legitimate all pro linemen in Koppen, Mankins and Light. Green Bay?s offensive line is the all joe team,with Clifton being the only true potential standout. Advantage to Pats, especially in pass blocking.

Without using specifics, looking defensively, New England averages about 1 more sack a game, generates half an additional turnover a game, gives up fewer yards per play, and fewer points. Other than the secondary, where Green Bay is strong, where are they even close to being even?
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[oldanforgotten]

All that means is he was the best player this year (in the eyes of the press, who have not exactly demonstrated they're the brainiest bunch).Manning's 2004 had a better TD %, passer rating, and higher yards per attempt and completion. The only edge Brady has is 2 less picks.Team stat.A great game doesn't make a great season.I didn't say it did. I said it was inferior to others, which it is.

If you are using the QB rating as the sole judge, you need to go back to football school to determine what makes an effective QB.

First of all, QB rating in the NFL has a capped value in every stat. A ?perfect game? translates to roughly 72% completion rate, 10 yards per attempt, 1 TD every 8 attempts, and no INTs, which gets you the nice capped 158.3 rating.

So let?s compare the two seasons, in a realistic way.

Brady is completing 68.9% of his attempts, averaging 8.3 yards per attempt, throwing a touchdown every 11.5 attempts, and getting intercepted once per 72 attempts.
Manning completed 67.6% of his passes, averaging 9.3 yards per attempt, throwing a touchdown once every 10 attempts, and getting intercepted once per 49 passes.

What we find out is that Brady completed a shade over 1% more of his passes, Manning averaged 12% more yardage per attempt, throw touchdowns 15% more often, and was intercepted 50% more often than Brady (1 per 72 attempts vs 1.5 per 72 attempts). Some edges on either side here, and both statistically outstanding.

Ok, in 2004, Manning rushed for 29 yards, netting no additional scores, and managing one first down in the year with his legs.
In 2007, Brady rushed for 98 yards and 2 scores, and got 7 first downs running the ball.

Big advantage Brady there.

I?m not sure how you can just discount one against the other (I?m not sure which performance is better as a whole, and personally, I prefer Brady?s simply because the stats show slightly more of an aptitude for short passes, which eat clock and sustain longer drives, whereas Mannings numbers suggest more of throwing the ball downfield)

Both seasons were outstanding, and realistically, there are only a few reasonable tie-breakers you can use into account here:

First, you just could be a hater or a homer that has a bias, in which case your opinion means nothing.
Second, you could point to the fact that Brady?s team was undefeated and Peyton?s was 12-4, and scored only 3 points in a playoff loss in which he had a very poor game, and lost two regular season games in which he threw late picks. (Jax, NE)
Third, you could say that whereas Brady played all 16 games, Manning sat out a lot during that year, and may have projected to better overall numbers had he stayed in.
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[Hulkein]

How about we wait for the games next week to be completed before analyzing a Super Bowl matchup.

[BigWorm]

First, you just could be a hater or a homer that has a bias, in which case your opinion means nothing.

Hey pot, meet kettle

[Latrinsorm]

Oddly enough THIS year is what we are talking about.If you want to say this season is the best ever, how does saying it's the best this year do anything for your case?
Of which the QB is the most important position. Trying to just dismiss this is irresponsible.Unless you have a way of putting Peyton from 2004 in with this exact supporting cast (or Brady in Peyton's spot), any team performance has to be dismissed out of hand.
A great game during the season is an indicator of the whole. Also this was in the playoffs, on a national stage against a solid defense.Phil Simms' 88% Super Bowl game (against a Denver team with two Pro Bowl cornerbacks) came in a year where he had more INTs than TDs. Unquestionably a great (personal) game, and unquestionably not a great (personal) season.
If you are using the QB rating as the sole judge, you need to go back to football school to determine what makes an effective QB.What makes this even funnier than it would have been is that its the passer rating (what with taking into account only passing stats). I guess you skipped that class in football school, huh? [To elaborate, it would have been funny already on account of my explicitly listing the very topics you covered in an attempt to flesh things out beyond the rating.]

[Methais]

WRONG! Green Bay is going to kick New England's ass in the SuperBowl

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e81/sillyshelly1904/hahaha.png

:lol:

[Skeeter]

That girl has nice tits.

[Methais]

Yes she does. I need to find out who she is and the name of the porn that pic was probably taken from.

[Apathy]

being a dolphins fan, I'm already locked into draft-watching, but this caught my eye, where exactly do they match up evenly? I'm not saying GB can't win, its why they play the games, but dude. The only team that could match up was the Colts.

Without using specifics, looking defensively, New England averages about 1 more sack a game, generates half an additional turnover a game, gives up fewer yards per play, and fewer points. Other than the secondary, where Green Bay is strong, where are they even close to being even?

You said it yourself. Grant is better than Moroney (this year), Green Bay has a better secondary, and I would give special teams to Green Bay as well.

Will it be enough... :grimace:

Go Pack Go.

[crazymage]

I cant believe there's even a hint of argument now about who's the best QB, Mannings had Wayne / Harrison for years, he had Edge in his prime. and has 1 Superbowl ring. Brady won '3' Superbowls with guys like Antwain Smith, J.R Redmond at tailback, Troy Brown (I love him but let's be serious) at WR. Brady ALMOST beat indy with RECHE CALDWELL as his top WR!!! Now that he has Moss (who caught 1 pass saturday) it's WELL WE DONT KNOW WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF MANNING WAS THERE? I do, Choke in the 4th quarter, few turnovers in redzone etc.

[Hulkein]

I agree, Brady > Manning.

[Latrinsorm]

I cant believe there's even a hint of argument now about who's the best QB, Mannings had Wayne / Harrison for years, he had Edge in his prime. and has 1 Superbowl ring. Brady won '3' Superbowls with guys like Antwain Smith, J.R Redmond at tailback, Troy Brown (I love him but let's be serious) at WR. Brady ALMOST beat indy with RECHE CALDWELL as his top WR!!! Now that he has Moss (who caught 1 pass saturday) it's WELL WE DONT KNOW WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF MANNING WAS THERE? I do, Choke in the 4th quarter, few turnovers in redzone etc.Edge is the Daunte Culpepper of running backs: looked like an All-Pro when he was working with the greatest complement he could have (Peyton and Randy Moss, respectively) then left and went to pot (James' best season YPC since Indy is 3.8). Harrison and Wayne are both very good receivers, but they are in no way at the top of even today's field, let alone history's. If you were building a dream receiving corps of the past ten years, can you honestly say Harrison would even make the top 4?

This is putting aside the fact that both quarterbacks have only won Superbowls when their team's defense was a significant (and positive) factor. Brady has never beaten the Colts. The Patriots have, and this is an important distinction to make.

[crazymage]

r-o-f-l.

[Skeeter]

Edge went to Arizona where all good players go to die. End of Edge overrated argument.

[Latrinsorm]

And yet Kurt Warner managed to finish in the top 10 in passer rating, TDs, and Y/A at 36 years old, a year statistically comparable to Brady's 2004 campaign.

[Sean of the Thread]

Peyton > brady all day.


Plus brady is a homo so he loses some points there.

[TheEschaton]

And he does ads for Tag Huer, while Peyton actually does cool ads.

[Skeeter]

And yet Kurt Warner managed to finish in the top 10 in passer rating, TDs, and Y/A at 36 years old, a year statistically comparable to Brady's 2004 campaign.

They were awesome in the playoffs this year. soooo close.

[Skeeter]

And he does ads for Tag Huer, while Peyton actually does cool ads.

That oreo cookie add is borderline gay porn. I was uncomfortable watching the "lick race"

[Latrinsorm]

They were awesome in the playoffs this year. soooo close.I never said the Cardinals were comparable to the Patriots of 2004, and making the playoffs is a team accomplishment. :)

[Tsa`ah]

And he does ads for Tag Huer, while Peyton actually does cool ads.

The best Peyton commercial EVAR!

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&VideoID=8446136

Suck on that Brady ... you no personality robot!

[Sean of the Thread]

Brady has a personality.. it's called homo.


That's the greatest Peyton video ever. "Sally mommy is dead remember....... Hi I'm Peyton nice to meet you"