Stupid fucking homos

[Eoghain]

I can say that right? Since I'm a stupid homo? And it's about fucking, so really it's not derogatory.

So I have a profile on a popular booty-getting website for homos. Spare me your ire, i don't care. But get this shit. My profile says I prefer (actually I require) potential booty calls to be HIV-. So some dipshit writes me this, and I reply. Let's have your opinions. Cause while I do feel somewhat like a dick, this guy is one asshole I don't want to fuck.

He writes:
if you're "safe only", your partners don't need to be neg...

I respond:
actually, they do. but thanks for chiming in.

He retorts:
Actually, if you're just concerned about protecting yourself from contracting
HIV, they don't -- you just need to practice safer sex. You're young, and
you're
cute, but consider this: I've been educating people about how to protect
themselves from contracting HIV as a medical professional for over 17 years --17 years, yes -- since you were a 9-year-old child. When you have that kind of professional experience, we can argue -- which will be a while -- until then, listen to your elders who know just a little bit more on this topic than you do.
If you're concerned about indulging in elitist stigma that's not based in
public health disease management reality, but is merely an egotistical and baseless degradation of your fellow community members, then your partnes do have to be negative. Your choice. But don't expect any respect from anyone with a thinking mind if you indulge in baseless elitism. Protect yourself from HIV, not people with HIV. There is a difference; I hope you learn it.

So I respond:
Funny. I spent years in HIV prevention testing everyone from teenage tranny
hookers on SMB to people who have had HIV since before the test came out
around 1986 (when i was FIVE) and sadly, I frequently knew more about HIV
than those who've had it since I was in kindergarten.

Your email smacked of oversensitivity to an issue i daresay is close to home
for you, and your need to correct me speaks volumes of your willingness to
take offense at the slightest indication that someone's fear may result in
you not even getting your dick sucked.

If a condom breaks, I want at least an outside shot that I wasn't exposed at
all, and that outside shot will come from someone who is negative. I am not
being elitist at all. All I am doing is saying that I do not want to
indulge in a certain level of risk, which is always present in
sero-discordant sex.

I don't care how much older or wiser you think you are than me. You can go
hang out with the guy down the street who told me that when I'm grown up, I
can have an opinion, but until then he'll bounce me on his knee and explain
how the world works. The thing you have in common is that you both took it
upon yourselves, through no effort on my part, to initiate contact with me,
and to make assumptions that do nothing more than educate me as to your
blatant asshattery.

Elders? Dude, please. I don't need two decades of professional experience
to tell me that the risk of contracting HIV from a negative dude is
significantly less than with someone who is positive. And do us all a favor
and get off that high horse of yours. it might make you more attractive, you
demeaning dipshit.

Fuck you. :) Have a nice day.

***************************************

So what do you think? Was this guy presumptuous or what? Talk about being all like "YOU DON'T WANT TO BANG ME BECAUSE I HAVE HIV! THAT'S ELITIST STIGMATIZATION! WAAAH!"

Am I a douche for giving myself every advantage possible?

[Asha]

If there were mods you'd probably still get points for the title. But you should be ok lol.

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

I don't care who you are, no one can blame you for not wanting to have sex or do anything sexual with someone who has HIV or AIDS. He may has well just typed "LOL I HAS HIV BUT I WANNA BONE U NE-WAYZ"

[Asha]

And yeah dude I don't blame you, I wouldn't choose to have sex with anyone who had any infection or disease. Life threatening or no.

[Drew]

I can say that right? Since I'm a stupid homo? And it's about fucking, so really it's not derogatory.

So I have a profile on a popular booty-getting website for homos. Spare me your ire, i don't care. But get this shit. My profile says I prefer (actually I require) potential booty calls to be HIV-. So some dipshit writes me this, and I reply. Let's have your opinions. Cause while I do feel somewhat like a dick, this guy is one asshole I don't want to fuck.

He writes:
if you're "safe only", your partners don't need to be neg...

I respond:
actually, they do. but thanks for chiming in.

He retorts:
Actually, if you're just concerned about protecting yourself from contracting
HIV, they don't -- you just need to practice safer sex. You're young, and
you're
cute, but consider this: I've been educating people about how to protect
themselves from contracting HIV as a medical professional for over 17 years --17 years, yes -- since you were a 9-year-old child. When you have that kind of professional experience, we can argue -- which will be a while -- until then, listen to your elders who know just a little bit more on this topic than you do.
If you're concerned about indulging in elitist stigma that's not based in
public health disease management reality, but is merely an egotistical and baseless degradation of your fellow community members, then your partnes do have to be negative. Your choice. But don't expect any respect from anyone with a thinking mind if you indulge in baseless elitism. Protect yourself from HIV, not people with HIV. There is a difference; I hope you learn it.

So I respond:
Funny. I spent years in HIV prevention testing everyone from teenage tranny
hookers on SMB to people who have had HIV since before the test came out
around 1986 (when i was FIVE) and sadly, I frequently knew more about HIV
than those who've had it since I was in kindergarten.

Your email smacked of oversensitivity to an issue i daresay is close to home
for you, and your need to correct me speaks volumes of your willingness to
take offense at the slightest indication that someone's fear may result in
you not even getting your dick sucked.

If a condom breaks, I want at least an outside shot that I wasn't exposed at
all, and that outside shot will come from someone who is negative. I am not
being elitist at all. All I am doing is saying that I do not want to
indulge in a certain level of risk, which is always present in
sero-discordant sex.

I don't care how much older or wiser you think you are than me. You can go
hang out with the guy down the street who told me that when I'm grown up, I
can have an opinion, but until then he'll bounce me on his knee and explain
how the world works. The thing you have in common is that you both took it
upon yourselves, through no effort on my part, to initiate contact with me,
and to make assumptions that do nothing more than educate me as to your
blatant asshattery.

Elders? Dude, please. I don't need two decades of professional experience
to tell me that the risk of contracting HIV from a negative dude is
significantly less than with someone who is positive. And do us all a favor
and get off that high horse of yours. it might make you more attractive, you
demeaning dipshit.

Fuck you. :) Have a nice day.

***************************************

So what do you think? Was this guy presumptuous or what? Talk about being all like "YOU DON'T WANT TO BANG ME BECAUSE I HAVE HIV! THAT'S ELITIST STIGMATIZATION! WAAAH!"

Am I a douche for giving myself every advantage possible?

http://kermittheblog.files.wordpress.com/2007/08/golden_smog.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/backwardhatclub/saddeningbusinesscopy.jpg


EDIT: THERE IS A GOATSE PIC FURTHER ON DOWN, YOU'VE BEEN WARNED.

[Eoghain]

ROFL @ Drew's pic

[Drew2]

Get off adam4adam it's all skanks.

Also Seamus what's your AIM all my internet gays are asleep and I need to tell stories from tonight that only homos can appreciate.

[Skeeter]

Also as a general rule I try to avoid banging women with STDs. I would think this is common sense but :shrug:

[Shari]

Your response was so much better than mine would be. I think mine would have went something to the effect of:

"WTF do you think you are? If I want to be completely safe I'm entitled to do with my body as I wish. STFU."


I don't get it. I think someone nailed it on the head when they assume he has HIV and was insulted by your comment.

However, I wouldn't have sex with anyone if I knew they were infected with anything, no matter how "safe" you think you can be doing it. Murphy's Law, baby. Especially in the way of booty calls.

Whatever, I still <3 you, Seamus.

[Daniel]

Lol. Come on, be sensitive to your peers: Fuck someone in the ass with HIV.

[Celephais]

Wow, yeah he is certainly a stupid fucking homo, what a ridiculous reaction he had to someone claiming they wanted to minimize the risk as much as possible. Especially someone with "experience" you think would be respectful of how powerful the disease is and how it's not to be fucked with http://i.pbase.com/o5/75/719875/1/69593081.WJRVitYB.rimshot.gif

It certainly sounds to me like that guy has teh hiv and is pissed off he can't get laid when he tells people he's got it.

[TheEschaton]

I would agree with the guy on the stigmatization issue if it was hetero sex. Condoms have been shown to be pretty damn effective in combating HIV/AIDS when used correctly.

Unfortunately, "when used correctly" doesn't refer to anal sex, because condoms aren't built to the *ahem* frictional rigors. Even with lube (and you gotta make sure you're using the right type of lube for the type of condom!) the chances of a condom breaking during anal sex is ridiculously higher.

Not to mention that the receiver is at much higher risk because tears in the anus are much more possible than tears in the vagina during sex, and blood to blood contact + HIV = teh awful.

-TheE-

[CrystalTears]

I would agree with the guy on the stigmatization issue if it was hetero sex. Condoms have been shown to be pretty damn effective in combating HIV/AIDS when used correctly.
Yeah well you can go ahead and have sex with HIV-infected people. Those who don't want to even partake in that kind of risk will continue to avoid them.

And really, it's none of this guy's business to even tell him who he should or shouldn't be screwing or what precautions he wishes to take.

[Celephais]

I would agree with the guy on the stigmatization issue if it was hetero sex. Condoms have been shown to be pretty damn effective in combating HIV/AIDS when used correctly.
But not 100% effective... you know what is 100% effective at not contracting HIV from sex? Not having sex with someone with HIV.

Oh, and yeah, I have no problem with creating the stigma around HIV+ indivuals that having sex with them could give you HIV.


Unfortunately, "when used correctly" doesn't refer to anal sex, because condoms aren't built to the *ahem* frictional rigors. Even with lube (and you gotta make sure you're using the right type of lube for the type of condom!) the chances of a condom breaking during anal sex is ridiculously higher.

Not to mention that the receiver is at much higher risk because tears in the anus are much more possible than tears in the vagina during sex, and blood to blood contact + HIV = teh awful.

-TheE-
GAH! I didn't need to read that...

And you seem to know an awful lot about receiving anal sex.

[Some Rogue]

I would agree with the guy on the stigmatization issue if it was hetero sex.
-TheE-

You've gotta be kidding me.

[TheEschaton]

I was an HIV/AIDS educator/social worker too, C. ;)

I'm not saying I would hookup randomly with people I know to have HIV, any more than I would deliberately hookup with someone I knew had some other STD. That's an unhealthy behavior, to be sure. However, in a relationship, being HIV+ (and only informing me after we were in the relationship) wouldn't be a dealbreaker (the lack of trust - a different issue).

Also, if I found out after the fact that the person I had sex with was HIV+, I'd be much more positive of non-infection if it had been hetero sex and I was using a condom, than if it was anal sex.

As for SR, I'm not kidding - HIV is a stigmatization issue on top of being a medical issue. Many people get it without ever knowing they were at risk, many people with it refuse to tell others because they fear their relationships would instantly end.

-TheE-

[CrystalTears]

I'm not saying I would hookup randomly with people I know to have HIV, any more than I would deliberately hookup with someone I knew had some other STD. That's an unhealthy behavior, to be sure. However, in a relationship, being HIV+ (and only informing me after we were in the relationship) wouldn't be a dealbreaker (the lack of trust - a different issue).
And since he's not in a relationship and he's saying upfront that he doesn't to be involved with anyone who is infected, that's his right.


As for SR, I'm not kidding - HIV is a stigmatization issue on top of being a medical issue. Many people get it without ever knowing they were at risk, many people with it refuse to tell others because they fear their relationships would instantly end.
Spare me. If someone is HIV, know it, and don't tell their sexual partner beforehand to give him the chance to decide for himself if he wishes to continue, that person is a fucking douchebag for hiding that information in order to get laid and risk someone else's life. This isn't a pimple on someone's ass, it's a deadly virus.

[GuildRat]

Not to mention that if a person knows that they're HIV+ and fails to disclose to his/her partner, then they can be held criminally liable and/or legally liable, e.g. open to lawsuits in a civil court as well.

[CrystalTears]

Not to mention that if a person knows that they're HIV+ and fails to disclose to his/her partner, then they can be held criminally liable and/or legally liable, e.g. open to lawsuits in a civil court as well.
Which you would think someone practicing law would know that.

[Eoghain]

Get off adam4adam it's all skanks.

Also Seamus what's your AIM all my internet gays are asleep and I need to tell stories from tonight that only homos can appreciate.

Adam4Adam my ass. It's Manhunt baby :)

[Eoghain]

I don't get it. I think someone nailed it on the head when they assume he has HIV and was insulted by your comment.

However, I wouldn't have sex with anyone if I knew they were infected with anything, no matter how "safe" you think you can be doing it. Murphy's Law, baby. Especially in the way of booty calls.

Whatever, I still <3 you, Seamus.


That was me. It was obvious from the beginning. Someone without HIV wouldn't give a shit who I slept with. That guy totally wanted to hit it and he was incensed that I wouldn't be down for taking a walk on the wild side. And after I got all naked with this one really hot dude and we made out and then he was like "Can I suck on your toes?" I know that ANYTHING can happen.

As an aside, when I heard that, I stood up, put my shorts and t shirt back on, stepped into my flipflops, and got the fuck out of there. I wouldn't advise using Listerine 10 times in an hour and brushing your teeth for 20 minutes, (the feeling takes forever to return) although really I felt it was necessary.

[Kranar]

This isn't a pimple on someone's ass, it's a deadly virus.


That's one heck of a way of putting it, and to be honest, I couldn't agree more.

[Eoghain]

It responds:

You're forgetting that just because you have sex with people who
"say" they
are negative, doesn't mean that they are. They could be recently infected and

have a higher viral load (and be more infectious) than someone positive who
has been stabilized on meds with a lower or undetectable viral load. Your
"if
the condom breaks" strategy is faulty logic at best. HIV infection rates
would
be dramatically higher if safer sex didn't work, but it does -- meaning that
sex
between serodiscordant people is not something that needs to be avoided,
because the actual risk when safer sex is engaged is infinitessimal -- I bet
you
take higher risks with your health and your life in other areas, but somehow
you perceive even safer sex with someone of different or unknown status as
being high risk. Do you eat bacon? That has sodium nitrite in it, which is a

known carcinogen. Cancer kills more people than HIV. You're taking a higher

risk with your life by eating bacon than you are by having safer sex with
someone of a different serostatus. And the list of other common risks to your

health that you're probably taking goes on and on -- so don't tell me this is

about managing or mitigating risks to your life or health; if it's
concentrated in
this area, it's about fear and stigma, not managing risk.

Your anger reveals that I've hit a nerve with you, causing you to lash out
because I've hit some kind of vulnerable area you need to defend. It's
obvious
that you stigmatize people with HIV and that your fear is irrational and
disproportionate to the actual risk of safer sex with someone positive. My
guess is that your rage at me is probably misplaced and that the real target of

your anger should be a father who abused his authority with you, or someone
else in a position of authority who abused that power and humiliated you. Your

rage is, again, disproportionate to this discussion, and the question is, why.

Anyone who says "fuck you" to me deserves it right back, so Fuck
You, too. I
stand by my assessment that you are not just protecting yourself from HIV,
you're indulging in cultural elitism and stigma to make yourself feel
"safer"
when it's a false sense of security. Thousands of gay men are in
serodiscordant
relationships and manage for the HIV negative partner to stay that way over
many years together and hundreds of sex acts. That is a fact. Most new
infections are from guys using crystal meth and having unprotected, receptive
anal intercourse. If you're not doing that, you're pretty darn safe, kid.

Now, why don't YOU ease up on the unjustified rage at me; it might make YOU
more attractive.

[UNKNOWN]

Wats wrong wit HIV?

[Numbers]

Holy fucking hell what IS that?!

[CrystalTears]

It's a ballchinian!

[Daniel]

Which you would think someone practicing law would know that.

Actually, I think TheE may be drawing more on his experiences in Africa where someone with HIV can and will be A) Outcasted from his tribe or community entirely. Which happens to be most peoples access to means or B) killed.

[Eoghain]

I’m very well aware that boinking people who say they are negative is not a guarantee that they are negative. That’s why I want to have safe sex only with negative guys. You like to conveniently forget things that don’t add to your point, don’t you?

You’re also blatantly ignoring the huge fact that my desire for casual sex with negative people is about CASUAL SEX, not a RELATIONSHIP. I would have no problem having a relationship with someone who is HIV+ as long as they’re hot, I like them a lot, and we’re safe. This is an ONLINE BOOTY WEBSITE, not Eharmony for christs sake. I’m not here to find marriage. Keep that in mind.

Condoms are NOT 100% effective, and you have absolutely no right to tell me what my comfort level with certain risks should be. You’re a presumptuous asshole and it’s very telling that you would go out of your way to try to correct “some kid” about the error of his ways. Are you going to call me a racist because I’m not attracted to skinny asian guys either? Or sexist because I won’t bang girls? Your logic is flawed and misplaced. I’m discussing safety in having sex with strangers and you’re countering with relationship practices. Apples and oranges, dude. You assume a lot. How’s that working out for you? Happily partnered and all with all those years of wisdom? Happily HIV-?

And please gods feel free to shoot yourself for your bacon analogy. My old Irish auntie is like a bazillion years old and loves bacon. She’s never had cancer. I don’t know one person that sleeps with HIV guys as often as I have breakfast and is HIV- to boot. Breathing the air in Los Angeles is more concern to me than the fruit of the gods known as bacon. Not everyone manages their HIV well. We both know this. And you can still get infected from exposure from someone with an undetectable viral load. And don’t tell me which risks to my life or health I should or should not have the option to choose. That’s being an asshole.

Yes, you hit a nerve with me. No, it’s not about HIV. It’s about people on the internet who think that they have the right to tell other people how to think and feel about their own health and their level of risk. You are not my doctor. He doesn’t even have that right. And you have got to be high to think that you can just jump from there to a father who abused his authority. My dad’s a saint. He was a firefighter at 9-11 and spends his life helping other people. He’s always been there for me and sets nothing but a flawless example of loving others. Nice try douche. Really reaching for straws with your insecurity there. My father has never humiliated me. I’m proud of him.

I have no rage here. I’m a 26 year old on the internet. When we encounter trolls (and that’s what you are, grandpa), we treat them as such. Trolls are not worth normal human interaction. They do not respond to normal social moors. They have an agenda to push down other peoples’ throats, and they do not stop until they get their way, or until they get shoved back under their sexless bridge. Welcome to the current state of the internet.

Let’s look at the real issue here. You clicked on my profile cause you thought I was cute. You’re probably enraged because I said “UNDER 40” which normally pisses you guys off enough. But then I had the audacity to combine safe sex with HIV-. I’m sure that hurt, because you went out of your way to impose upon me your very loaded opinion on the matter. I responded to you being a dick on the internet, not on you having a different view of comfort with risk levels. Everyone can choose for themselves.

And in response to your “fuck you.” No thank you  I may be a dick, but you’re certainly one asshole I don’t want to fuck.

[Daniel]

Just do what I do to fat bitches on myspace. Ignore them.

[Katt]

"I may be a dick, but you’re certainly one asshole I don’t want to fuck."



You just owned him at life.



I am sad Unknowns picture made my eyes no longer asshole virgins.

[Clove]

As for SR, I'm not kidding - HIV is a stigmatization issue on top of being a medical issue. Many people get it without ever knowing they were at risk, many people with it refuse to tell others because they fear their relationships would instantly end.

-TheE-

SFW? The same was true of STD's prior, especially Herpes- now we have HIV. Incurable communicable infections tend to make people lose their warm-fuzzies for you- even ones that are difficult to contract, people just have a hard time getting over the "incurable" part.

[Drunken Durfin]

Okay, UNKNOWN, I don't know who you are but that pic was by far more disgusting than anything that I have ever had the misfortune to lay my eyes on. I literally threw-up a little. If that is what you were going for, congratulations.

http://planetsmilies.net/vomit-smiley-31.gif

[Skeeter]

Where are the mods for fucks' sake?

[Gan]

UGH


ignore/ignore/ignore/ignore

NSFW/NSFW/NSFW/NSFW

[Eoghain]

oh man, goatse is almost enough to scare me straight. Almost.

[ElanthianSiren]

... that SUV-sized asshole picture hurts.

That said, I don't believe who you choose and don't choose to fuck is anybody's business but your own. Some people like virgins; some people like big titted women; some people like people that produce proof of being std free or some combination of all three.

I'd say 'fuck him!', but in this situation that doesn't seem right.

[Sean of the Thread]

Rofl how is that goatse pic not deleted yet.

[Skeeter]

Snapp likes it?

[ViridianAsp]

You were in the right, I would have felt the same way. He was just being a self-righteous jerk and probably would have gotten on his soapbox and preached to anyone. Kudos for bringing him down a notch or two.

[AestheticDeath]

You need to stop arguing with the moron, and then report him to the dating site for trying to convince people to have sex with HIV+ people, and saying it is safe just because you use a condom.

He is going to turn into a stalker, and every time you walk out your door, he is going to be waving a condom in your face saying, "It don't get any safer, my little pretty!"

[The Ponzzz]

Christ why is goatse there... Why. I slowly started scrolling and I think to myself, "good fucking god, that looks like a gaping anus goatse pic." I figured it was going to be some creative photoshop or baked good.

Nope, just a giant ass blossom on the page.

And being up front that you don't want to have sex with someone with the hiv is nothing for anyone to get upset about. When there is even .0001% of catching a virus that has no cure and will kill your ass slowly, who would take that risk with a stranger or someone they just met.

[Eoghain]

Christ why is goatse there... Why. I slowly started scrolling and I think to myself, "good fucking god, that looks like a gaping anus goatse pic." I figured it was going to be some creative photoshop or baked good.

Nope, just a giant ass blossom on the page.

And being up front that you don't want to have sex with someone with the hiv is nothing for anyone to get upset about. When there is even .0001% of catching a virus that has no cure and will kill your ass slowly, who would take that risk with a stranger or someone they just met.

EXACTLY my point. I'm fine if some people are ok with that, but to try to take me to task (poorly) for not being ok with it for myself is fucking insulting as hell.

[Sean of the Thread]

All I've gotten from this thread is that you homos are overly sensitive and an image of goatse burned into my retina.

[Eoghain]

All I've gotten from this thread is that you homos are overly sensitive and an image of goatse burned into my retina.

That pretty much sums it up

[Necromancer]

(Let me guess, Manhunt?)

He sort of has a point, but it missed your unspoken point. He's right that the odds of transmission when a condom is used correctly are basically nill. Hell, the odds of transmission even without a condom are actually very small (STD Prevention officials don't like to point this out- and with good reason). The odds are one in thousands without a condom and one in hundreds of thousands with a condom.

Serodiscordant couples (where one person is positive and one person is negative) who use condoms properly have an incredibly low transmission rate, for example.

But there's a lot of sex going on in this world, and that means that the one-in-hundreds-of-thousands cases DO happen. So the real question isn't whether or not there's risk; the real question is whether or not a one-afternoon-stand (har) is worth even that tiny risk. I tend to opt for "No thank you", as you do obviously.

You go girl.

[Skeeter]

I remain amazed at the lack of any moderation in this thread.

[Drew2]

Has anyone reported it?

[Ilvane]

It's been reported, just the supermods and mods of this thread are not around to take it away. I would if I could, sorry guys.

[Sean of the Thread]

It's been reported, just the supermods and mods of this thread are not around to take it away. I would if I could, sorry guys.

You're so useful. What would we do with out you?

[Snapp]

Rofl how is that goatse pic not deleted yet.

Didn't you get the memo? I'm the only mod here.


Posted by Skeeter
Snapp likes it?
Fuck off.


On topic, Manhunt and A4A both suck. And most of the hiv+ guys on those sites say they're negative anyway. Just get a boyfriend, it's safer.

[Ilvane]

Yeah, the only mod that could delete it, rather than the only mod.

I was here, I just don't have the ability to remove from topics not my own(as a regular mod, and not a supermod like you Snapp)

And Sean, fuck off, will you?

[Gan]

Dear Snapp.

In the spirit of this specific thread and your specific signature advertising your character playershops.
http://www.playershops.com/gerbill

:clap:

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

Dear Snapp.

In the spirit of this specific thread and your specific signature advertising your character playershops.
http://www.playershops.com/gerbill

:clap:


:rofl:

I didn't even notice that until you pointed it out!

[Sean of the Thread]

Yeah, the only mod that could delete it, rather than the only mod.

I was here, I just don't have the ability to remove from topics not my own(as a regular mod, and not a supermod like you Snapp)

And Sean, fuck off, will you?

No Snapp is right. He's the only real mod until Peru frees their imprisoned fish poachers and releases Skirmy.

You're just a hall monitor for a few crappy folders with the exception of the Politics folder which always gives us a chuckle.

[Skeeter]

I miss Skirmy :( Fucking peruvians