Clemens, Pettitte named in Mitchell report

[Kefka]

NEW YORK - Seven-time Cy Young Award winner Roger Clemens and Yankees pitcher Andy Pettitte were the first names to emerge Thursday from the Mitchell report.

ESPN.com reported Brian McNamee, a former trainer for the Yankees and Clemens, told investigators he supplied Clemens and Pettitte with steroids and that information is in the report. The Web site cited an unidentified source close to the trainer.

"We will respond after the report," said Randy Hendricks, the agent for Clemens and Pettitte.

The Los Angeles Times reported in 2006 that Clemens and Pettitte were among the players former major league pitcher Jason Grimsley accused of using performance-enhancing drugs, according to a federal agent's affidavit. Clemens and Pettitte have denied the allegations. On Wednesday, Pettitte said "I've not heard a word from anyone" about former Senate Majority Leader George Mitchell's investigation.



http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071213/ap_on_sp_ba_ne/bbo_mitchell_report

[Skeeter]

no shock if this is true

I expect to see a lot of Sean's cheater yankees on the list

[Hulkein]

Don't know how accurate it is… but it does have the big names they said it would...

*Edited since official list is out*

[Danical]

Don't know how accurate it is… but it does have the big names they said it would...

Brady Anderson, Manny Alexander, Rick Ankiel, Jeff Bagwell, Barry Bonds, Aaron Boone, Rafaeil Bettancourt, Bret Boone, Milton Bradley, David Bell, Dante Bichette, Albert Belle, Paul Byrd, Wil Cordero, Ken Caminiti, Mike Cameron, Ramon Castro, Jose and Ozzie Canseco, Roger Clemens, Paxton Crawford, Wilson Delgado, Lenny Dykstra, Johnny Damon, Carl Everett, Kyle Farnsoworth, Ryan Franklin, Troy Glaus, Rich Garces, Jason Grimsley, Troy Glaus, Juan Gonzalez, Eric Gagne, Nomar Garciaparra, Jason Giambi, Jeremy Giambi, Jose Guillen, Jay Gibbons, Juan Gonzalez, Clay Hensley, Jerry Hairston, Felix Heredia, Jr., Darren Holmes, Wally Joyner, Darryl Kile, Matt Lawton, Raul Mondesi, Mark McGwire, Guillermo Mota, Robert Machado, Damian Moss, Abraham Nunez, Trot Nixon, Jose Offerman, Andy Pettitte, Mark Prior, Neifi Perez, Rafael Palmiero, Albert Pujols, Brian Roberts, Juan Rincon, John Rocker, Pudge Rodriguez, Sammy Sosa, Scott Schoenweiis, David Segui, Alex Sanchez, Gary Sheffield, Miguel Tejada, Julian Tavarez,Fernando Tatis, Maurice Vaughn, IJason Varitek, Ismael Valdez, Matt Williams and Kerry Wood

Jesus Titty Fucking Christ!

http://tn3-1.deviantart.com/fs8/300W/i/2005/332/a/6/Who__s_a_Sad_Panda__by_moochacha26.jpg

[Gan]

LOL on John Rocker roiding. Really did not do him any good in the long run.

Everyone in Houston knew Bagwell was using something when he came back one season and was almost double in upper body size.

Looks like a lot of *** will be handed out among other things.

[Skeeter]

ROFL that no current Red Sox were on the list. I'm certain that those names just got "misplaced".

[Bobmuhthol]

ROFL that no current Red Sox were on the list. I'm certain that those names just got "misplaced".

That's the first thing I checked for, and ROFLed just the same; the difference though is because the Red Sox players don't need to cheat.

[Skeeter]

Just the 15 or so that used to be on the team?

[Sean]

I have the same level of I don't care that I had during the whole Barry Bonds hoopla.

[Latrinsorm]

Couldn't Ramon Castro at least have taken the good steroids so he could go 10 games without getting injured?

How ridiculously limp must Johnny Damon's arm have been before the roids?
ROFL that no current Red Sox were on the list. I'm certain that those names just got "misplaced"....Varitek?

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

...Varitek?

Yeah, I was getting excited about the no Sox thing till I saw that :(

[Kembal]

Well, if Bagwell did use steroids, he didn't get it from any of the sources interviewed for the report.

And yeah, there's a lot of former Red Sox on the list, and Varitek's on there. (I guess the surprise is not seeing David Ortiz or Manny on the list) And there's some pretty damning emails from Theo Epstein included in the report discussing trading for Gagne even though they knew he was on steroids.

(Dammit, I knew that the Tejada trade would have a bad lining to it.)

[Kefka]

A list of player names in the Mitchell report:

Mike Bell
Marvin Benard
Larry Bigbie
Barry Bonds
Kevin Brown
Paul Byrd
Roger Clemens
Jack Cust
Chris Donnels
Lenny Dykstra
Bobby Estelella
Jason Giambi
Jeremy Giambi
Benito Santiago
Gary Sheffield
Randy Velarde
David Segui
Brian Roberts
Tim Laker
Josias Manzanillo
Todd Hundley
Mark Carreon
Hal Morris
Matt Franco
Rondell White
Andy Pettitte
Chuck Knoblauch
Jason Grimsley
Greg Zaun
David Justice
Frank Santangelo
Glenallen Hill
Mo Vaughn
Denny Neagle
Ryan Franklin
Todd Williams
Phil Hiatt
Paul Lo Duca
Todd Pratt
Miguel Tejada
Kevin Young
Mike Lansing
Cody McKay
Kent Mercker
Adam Piatt
Troy Glaus
Jason Christiansen
Mike Stanton
Stephen Randolph
Jerry Hairston
Adam Riggs
Bart Miadich
Fernando Vina
Eric Gagne
Matt Herges
Gary Bennett, Jr.
Jim Parque
Brendon Donnelly
Chad Allen
Jeff Williams
Howie Clark
Exavier Logan
Daniel Naulty
Rick Ankiel
David Bell
Jose Canseco
Jay Gibbons
Jose Guillen
Jerry Hairston
Darren Holmes
Gary Matthews Jr.
John Rocker
Scott Schoenweiss
Ismael Valdez
Matt Williams
Steve Woodard

This is the official list from the report. Was told the first list was bs.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/2007/12/13/2007-12-13_players_named_in_mitchell_report.html

[Sean]

I don't think Manny does roids ... but when Selig and Mitchell decide to investigate MLBs lax pot policies I fully expect Manny to headline that report.

[Daniel]

Damn. I loved Knoblauch as a kid.

[Skeeter]

Yeah, I was referring to the real list, which Veritek isn't on.

[Hulkein]

The report is obviously based on faulty intelligence as there is no way Lenny Dykstra or any of his 1993 Phillies teammates did roids.

[Anebriated]

the Phillies organization knew about Lenny back when it was happening. They, like all the other teams, turned their heads the other way.

As far as no RedSox... No team was left unscathed from that report. Granted they may no longer be there anymore but didnt you just get rid of Eric Gagne?

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

Yeah, I was referring to the real list, which Veritek isn't on.

Yeah, it would have been all over ESPN like the prominent Yankees.

Besides, if THATS his average on Steroids.. that's just sad.

[Skeeter]

just funny that the guy who did the report it employeed by the sox and couldn't find evidence of one current sox player. hmmm

[Sean of the Thread]

Lol there are theories all over the media today about that.

I fucking love it.

[Anebriated]

For whats its worth there arent any current Phillies on the list either.

[Stanley Burrell]

That would be pretty sad if Petitte used enhancement bullshit. There is no doubt in my mind that Clemens has been juiced up, maybe even up to the point of last year; this is true especially when he'd randomly fly into rages and bean fellow 'roider Mike Piazza, which was kinda cool, but still.

The interesting thing is that when you look at someone like Pudge, who becomes a stick figure when he stopped juicing himself - he's still a damn good baseball player, he wasn't one of these injured-list-suddenly-turned-Conseco addicts. When you have trainers who can't do their job, they're fired/reassigned in a perfect baseball world. But these individuals know how to hide behind steroids and perpetuate their guinea pigging ball clubs. There has to be responsibility on part of management too not to turn a blind eye to whole issue.

Um. In actuality, the trainers and chemists are always going to be a step ahead of the investigators though. The Bonds thing is prolly isolated.

I think they left Ortiz off the list because of obvious, no-need-to-investigate factor. Someone like Big Mo' had been on the juice shortly after he signed with the Sox.

You can just tell by the neck and out-of-place ankle injuries. You can also tell when baseball players are experiencing non-steroid, regular fatass syndrome (i.e. Wells or Sabathia.)

What's weird is when you take a pitcher with a lot of ball movement who was utterly busted... I'll use... Jason Grimsley: When you think of steroids as being, overall, a stamina and strength agent, how is that going to make your fingers throw a better knuckle-curve? That's bizarre to me. I mean, do these 'roids actually somehow enhance fine motor skills/ability to grip the ball for a tricky pitch?

[Sean]

The way I understand it is that pitchers really just take roids primarily for the recovery aspect and not as a means to effect their pitches flight path.

[Latrinsorm]

For whats its worth there arent any current Phillies on the list either.Of the 29 current players, the team breakdown is as follows:
Angels - 1
Astros - 2
Athletics - 1
Blue Jays - 2
Brewers - 1
Cardinals - 3
Free Agent - 2
Indians - 1
Mets - 1
Nationals - 2 (including Nook Logan and his 22.5 BMI)
Orioles - 2
Red Sox - 1 (Brendan Donnelly was a Red Soxck until 20 seconds before the report came out)
Reds - 1
Rockies - 2
Royals - 1
Tigers - 1
Twins - 2 (counting Rondell White)
Yankees - 3 (counting Clemens)

This leaves 13 teams without a current player on the Mitchell list for steroids: Braves , Cubs , Diamondbacks , Dodgers , Giants , Mariners , Marlins , Padres , Phillies , Pirates , Rangers , Rays , White Sox. (That's 9 NL teams and 4 AL teams, for anyone keeping track.)

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Does anyone really care though? I mean really? It's not like they'll EVER be able to without a doubt say no one is using enhancives (ROFLSKATES).

[Parkbandit]

Does anyone really care though? I mean really? It's not like they'll EVER be able to without a doubt say no one is using enhancives (ROFLSKATES).

Exactly. I couldn't give a shit about Baseball anyways.. I've said "FUCK YOU" since 1986... but this witch hunt is stupid and a waste of money.

[Anebriated]

It would be one thing if they actually planned to do something with these names. We already knew most of them on the report. It was just 400+ pages of common knowledge with a buttload of filler. IMO if they wanted to make an impact they would take away Clemens' Cy Young from last year, they would remove Giambi's MVP season from the books, and yes, remove Bonds' HR record from the books. With all of the Olympic althetes and the cyclists who have had to return medals/awards I think its pathetic how the MLB is just letting it all go without any sort of real punishment.

[Latrinsorm]

Baseball's never removed records of cheaters before though. Why start now?

[Anebriated]

To make a statement. Otherwise this report is nothing more than any of the other accusations have been. Smoke and mirrors.

just wanted to add that McGuires record should be removed too.

[Stanley Burrell]

Of the 29 current players, the team breakdown is as follows:
Angels - 1
Astros - 2
Athletics - 1
Blue Jays - 2
Brewers - 1
Cardinals - 3
Free Agent - 2
Indians - 1
Mets - 1
Nationals - 2 (including Nook Logan and his 22.5 BMI)
Orioles - 2
Red Sox - 1 (Brendan Donnelly was a Red Soxck until 20 seconds before the report came out)
Reds - 1
Rockies - 2
Royals - 1
Tigers - 1
Twins - 2 (counting Rondell White)
Yankees - 3 (counting Clemens)

Let's go by jersey retirement order next time.

[Stanley Burrell]

just wanted to add that McGuires record should be removed too.

The issue is that until you ban androstenedione, and a jillion other macromolecule steroid strands that've had an oxygen replaced with a nitrogen and/or an extra lepton, unless you ARE sticking a syringe loaded with, um, adrenochrome, in your buttock-cheeks, you can blow off the commissioner and investigators.

What I fully expect from these sorts of allegations is basically tossing in a few extra names of chemical compounds into an illegal list, and then empowering ball clubs to en masse hide behind a remaining supplement, vastly enough to create a tremendous bleeding heart element if ever questioned.

[Anebriated]

They wont because they are afraid of the players union. If they wanted to send the message that its not something you do in the MLB then they would, which is why I think nothing will come out of this.

[Warriorbird]

Sosa...not on the list.

[Tsa`ah]

Sosa...not on the list.

I noticed that ... the wife being a die hard Cubs fan tried to argue that it doesn't count for the Cubs since he's not a Cub anymore. My argument is that he was in it neck deep as a Cub when he was battling for the single season HR title.

I also noticed from the first (bogus) list, that the author was apparently butt hurt over Cub's pitching since it was pretty much the who's who of Cub's pitching over the last 4 years.

[Gan]

And now for some photos.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/multimedia/photo_gallery/0712/mlb.mitchell.report/content.1.html

http://i.cnn.net/si/multimedia/photo_gallery/0712/mlb.mitchell.report/images/segui.jpg