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Fraidycat
12-09-2003, 12:47 PM
My Sorcerer (39 trains) has :

Armor use . . 4 ranks
Phys fit . . 8 ranks
Arcane symbols . . 40 ranks
MIU . . 40 ranks
spell aim . . 82 ranks
harness power . . 74 ranks
spirit mana cont . . 40 ranks
Necromancy . . . 20 ranks
climbing . . 11 ranks

Minor elemental . . .30 spells
minor spirit . . .. 20
Sorcerer . . 54

is this enough to gain use of a rune staff and if so what can I change becouse i dont use MIU , spirit mana , arcane symbols or necromancy . . I just needed to use a staff.

Moist Happenings
12-09-2003, 01:43 PM
Um, first of all..add up all your magic skills, including spells, and divide them by your level.

any number over 8 and you'll have your bonus..
I suggest at least 10.

You should be training in spirit mana AND elemental mana if possible, it really helps your mana regen down the line. Arcane symbols and magic item use are cheap and useful, and they're needed for 714. And extra sorcerer ranks is not the way to go. I'd take your extra and put them into Minor Elemental. you gain even more of a bonus from 425 than you do from overtraining sorcerer.

Moist Happenings
12-09-2003, 01:44 PM
Also, Necromancy it helps to have 40 ranks in. You do realize that a lot of your spells depend on your sorcerous lore skills right?

Moist Happenings
12-09-2003, 02:15 PM
Well, that's not necessarily true Daina. While they're cheap, in mass quantities they're all but useless.

At level 63, the difference between 10x ranks and 11x ranks for me is a whopping 8 DS. So..i'd be more prone to say take what you'll need and you'll be making the ranks anyway.

Extra mana control is good. get some elemental in there. Extra necromancy and demonology ranks are good too, aim for 50 of each by level 100. Never need more than 50 necromancy, and 50 of demonology is quite a lot too.

I don't have my training here to be able to post it, i'm at work. But ANY extra points you end up with throw into tripling spells.

At level 63 my list is:

Minor Elemental: 74
Minor Spirit: 38
Sorcerer: 64

It's worth it. Spirit spells last I heard are still uncapped. So if you have 102 ranks of spirit spells, for 102 you're getting +20 + 100/2= 50 = +70 DS from your airwall. Plus you have Minor elemental capped so you're getting +25 CS, +50 AS and +50 DS. It all equals out to be very strong. Much stronger than you would be throwing away extra training points trying to get +8 DS from going from 11 to 12 magic ranks.

Fraidycat
12-09-2003, 02:24 PM
gotcha . . im gonna get onto those sorcerer spells first and lower them to 40 trains . . then ill share out the rest in demonology and Necromancy and hopefully some in elemental mana control . . thanks Neff and Daina.

Moist Happenings
12-09-2003, 02:26 PM
14 trains in spells worth of training points will get you A LOT of those other skills. my advice is to just get 11x worth per level, and pump the rest into spells.

Moist Happenings
12-09-2003, 02:29 PM
Off the top of my head, I'm pretty sure this is fairly close to exactly what I did:

2x Harness Power
1x Magic Item use
1x Arcane
1x Spirit control
1x Elemental Control
1x sorcerous lore
2.4x spell
1x spell aim

...I think..actually hang on. I think i have one of my sort-of recent training plans posted somewhere in this folder. I'll try to find.

Fraidycat
12-09-2003, 02:33 PM
another thing though . . i had umm . . . 53 ranks in sorcerer circle and my sorcerer is 39 . .
I took out 13 ranks in sorcerer and put them into elemental ranks becouse I hear they make more of a difference in CS.
I have now lost 10 CS points .. . so that didnt work

Moist Happenings
12-09-2003, 02:35 PM
Did you cast with 425 up or down? You need to cast it to get the elemental bonus from it. You're going to lose 3 or 4 points for now i'd say, but in the end you're going to be about 20 higher.

Moist Happenings
12-09-2003, 02:52 PM
Well look at it this way. disregarding wisdom bonuses and stuff because I don't know your race:

Here:

Level x 3 plus ranks in sorcerer plus (ranks in other/2)

disregarding the stats the is.

level 100:

300 base + 35 minor elemental ranks + 40 spirit + 140 sorcerer = 476 + 14 for 425 = 490 CS with a +30 DS for 430 and +36 for 102

300 base + 74 minor elemental ranks + 41 spirit + 100 sorcerer
(same number of spells)
457 + 25 from 425 = 482 CS with +50 DS from 430 +50 AS from 425 + 36 from 102

now with MY training plan exactly as it is:

300 + 100 sorcerer ranks + 74 MnE + 100 spirit = 487 + 25 for 425 = 512 CS + 50 DS from 430 + 50 AS from 425 + 68 from 102 = uber. :)

DaMaGe
12-09-2003, 03:08 PM
Neff, with your training plans do you train any in armor use? Or physical training?

Or do you just put every available training point into extra spells?


-Adam

Drew2
12-09-2003, 03:09 PM
Runestaff.

Runestaves.

I win.

Syberus
12-09-2003, 03:33 PM
Here let me post my skills so you get an idea... Neff you're CS formula is the old one before they changed it... the newest one is posted by me somewhre.. not sure what topic anymore I'm afraid.

Armor Use..........................| 40 8 8
Physical Fitness...................| 105 25 25
Arcane Symbols.....................| 183 83 83
Magic Item Use.....................| 183 83 83
Spell Aiming.......................| 264 164 164
Harness Power......................| 262 162 162
Elemental Mana Control.............| 183 83 83
Spirit Mana Control................| 183 83 83
Sorcerous Lore - Demonology........| 141 41 41
Sorcerous Lore - Necromancy........| 141 41 41
Perception.........................| 183 83 83
Climbing...........................| 120 30 30
Swimming...........................| 90 20 20

Spell Lists
Minor Elemental....................| 74 74
Minor Spirit.......................| 41 41
Sorcerer...........................| 81 81

DaMaGe
12-09-2003, 03:41 PM
Originally posted by Tayre
Runestaff.

Runestaves.

I win.

What'd you want, a cookie?


-Adam