myth #2 - holocaust and gas chambers

[Testosterone]

Did Six Million Really Die?

http://www.codoh.com/thoughtcrimes/PORT2LEU.HTML

FROM APPROXIMATELY 1979 through 1988, Fred Leuchter had worked with most of the states in the United States that carried out capital punishment. He specialized in the design and manufacture of execution equipment including electrocution systems, lethal injection equipment, gallows, and gas chamber hardware. The year 1988 would forever change the life of Fred Leuchter. In 1988, Ernst Zündel, a German-Canadian publisher found himself on trial for violating a false news law in Canada. Mr. Zündel had published a work by Richard Harwood entitled, Did Six Million Really Die? The Zündel defense team, needing to support the views of the Harwood work followed the recommendation of Prof. Robert Faurisson that a gas chamber expert be located who could evaluate the alleged gas chambers in Poland and report on their efficacy for execution purposes. Bill Armontrout, Warden of the Missouri State Penitentiary named Fred Leuchter as the only consultant in the United States in the design, operation, and maintenance of gas chambers during his testimony at the Zündel Trial. Leuchter was a perfect choice, he was the only expert on execution gas chambers in the United States and he believed in the Nazi Genocide of the Jews. Mr. Leuchter writes, " Like all American children born during and after World War II, I was taught about the genocide perpetrated by the Nazi's on the Jews. By the time I had reached college, I had no reason to disbelieve any of my education." (Leuchter Report: The How and Why p. 133, hereafter LR:H&W)

Leuchter was asked by the Defense team to go to Poland and undertake a physical inspection and forensic analysis of the alleged execution gas chambers. On February 25, 1988 Leuchter set out to Poland to examine the alleged gas chambers at Auschwitz, Birkenau, and Majdanek. Leuchter examined the buildings believed in the literature to be gas chambers. He also conducted a forensic examination in which physical samples of brick and mortar were removed and returned to the United States for chemical analysis. The results of Leuchter's findings, a 196 page report were submitted to the Court in Canada. (Various condensed editions of The Leuchter Report have been sold around the world) Leuchter has written, "Categorically, none of the facilities examined at Auschwitz, Birkenau or Lublin could have supported, or in fact did support, multiple executions utilizing hydrogen cyanide, carbon monoxide or any other allegedly or factually lethal gas." (LR:H&W p. 138). Leuchter writes in his famous report, "the author finds no evidence that any of the facilities normally alleged to be execution gas chambers were ever used as such and finds, further, that because of the design and fabrication of these facilities, they could not have been utilized for execution gas chambers." (The Leuchter Report: Focal Point Edition p.10)


Very interesting article...makes you wonder. Have we been told lies for the past 60 years?

[Testosterone]

4. Construction
Construction of these facilities shows that they were never used as gas chambers. None of these facilities were sealed or gasketed. No provision was ever made to prevent condensation of gas on the walls, floor or ceiling. No provision ever existed to exhaust the air-gas mixture from these buildings. No provision ever existed to introduce or distribute the gas throughout the chamber. No explosion-proof lighting existed and no attempt was ever made to prevent gas from entering the crematories, even though the gas is highly explosive. No attempt was made to protect operating personnel from exposure to the gas or to protect other non-participating persons from exposure. Specifically, at Auschwitz, a floor drain in the alleged gas chamber was connected directly to the camp's storm drain system. At Majdanek a depressed walkway around the alleged gas chambers would have collected gas seepage and resulted in a death trap for camp personnel. No exhaust stacks ever existed. Hydrogen cyanide gas is an extremely dangerous and lethal gas, and nowhere were there any provisions to effect any amount of safe handling. The chambers were too small to accommodate more than a small fraction of the alleged numbers. Plain and simple, these facilities could not have operated as execution gas chambers.

5. Conclusion
After a thorough examination of the alleged execution facilities in Poland and their associated crematories, the only conclusion that can be arrived at by a rational, responsible person is the absurdity of the notion that any of these facilities were ever capable of, or were utilized as, execution gas chambers.

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[SpunGirl]

Does it really matter whether it was six million, three million, or a hundred thousand?

It was bullshit either way.

-K

[Testosterone]

I'm quite sure it matters, as the jews report this number and flaunt it like it's the end of the world.

They use it against western people. Jewish people by nature do not want to intermingle with the surrounding population and keep a very homogenius structure. They help each other prosper and do not care about the rest of the world. Much like a virus self-replicating.

JEFFERSON, THOMAS. 18th century American statesman: "Dispersed as the Jews are, they still form one nation, foreign to the land they live in.

The lies must. Now is beter than later.

[Moist Happenings]

You know, I would rather not say something like "You're an asshole and I hate you and that it's people like you who thought up invading poland and persecuting people in the FIRST place." ....so I won't

[SpunGirl]

I have not experienced this type of behavior with the Jewish people I know at all, Testosterone. I have three Aunts who married Jewish men. They are all practicing Jews, but they don't segregate themselves from the family in any way.

Orthodox communities are very different, however, that can be seen in extreme sects of any religion. If they help each other prosper, so what? They take care of their own - it'd be nice to see the rest of humanity doing this as well, within groups that hold the same ideals and beliefs. There's nothing wrong with it.

-K

[Testosterone]

While Hitler may have been cruel I also don't believe in the premeditated killing of millions of jews.

This is a joke. There was no mass conspiracy to kill the jews. There were no gas chambers. Evidence of that is the contrary. Analasys of the gas chambers by a leading specialist who solely worked for the government, Frederick Leuchter concluded that NO traces of cyanide (Zyklon B) were found at any of the Gas chambers in Auchwitz. And likewise in Birkenau and Lublin.

The thug killing of Jews in the eastern front by einsatzgruppen units is probably. They were a bunch of sociopathic thugs who really had no qualms with shooting civillians en masse.

I also believe that Jews living in Germany and parts of the Reich were subject to slave labor. I also believe lots of jews were punished solely for being jewish.

I do not believe that there were camps established for sole murder of the jews.

[Moist Happenings]

Just a side note..but there were an estimated 11 million lost to those circumstances. 6 million were jewish, and there was a full other 5 million that were other people.

[Ilvane]

Listen, there was a Holocaust. There are a few KKK members that come out every so often and try to convince people otherwise, but it doesn't eliminate the fact that millions of Jews and other races were killed in Hitlers "cleansing". It happened, you idiot. I met survivors of that so called non-existant death camp.

People like you make me absolutely positively sick.

-A

For good reading.

http://www.geocities.com/onemansmind/hr/revisionist/Leuchter1.html

[Edited on 12-8-2003 by Ilvane]

[Skirmisher]

Fred Leuchter was torn a new one when his history is examined.

Please for gods sake get a better reference.

This is off the top of my head as the course I took where we discussed him was years ago but as I recall he enjoyed to use the term Dr. or some such moniker and when pressed at trial he admitted he was not that and also admitted he had no degree in the field dealing with chemistry but was in fact an electrical engineer or something.

Hey, thats an expert witness to bring to testify as to chemical agents.

Oops, well i guess it might be if he has a history of revisionist history as he did.

Sorry try again.

[Edited on 12-8-2003 by Skirmisher]

It is not just numbers that the jewish came up with... I dont have the names in front of me riht now but the Comander of Auschwitz prided himself on being able to kill 2000 men women and children at a time... it took about 30min to kill them and a hour to clear them out...
if we just look at that it is possable for aushwitz to kill 32 thousand HUMANbeings a day

what the study you cite also does not say is that at the time when he went they were unable to kill the great numbers claimed... If you have ever been to auschwitz you would know that the prison camp has detierated and it is very possable to fit a large number of people into the "shower rooms"

[Sean]

Originally posted by The Edine
It is not just numbers that the jewish came up with... I dont have the names in front of me riht now but the Comander of Auschwitz prided himself on being able to kill 2000 men women and children at a time... it took about 30min to kill them and a hour to clear them out...
if we just look at that it is possable for aushwitz to kill 32 thousand HUMANbeings a day

if my powers of prediction hold true ... testosterone's next post in response to this will just say state that the events you cited ever really happened and that they are just jewish propoganda and lies. something along the lines of everything being falsified.

im not saying thats my opinion on the matter ... just seeing how accurate my predict-a-response meter is.

yeah common conspericy theorist crap... when he goes to the concentration camps and sees for himself.. feels what its like to be there, he will have a diffrent opinion
Just the Karma there alone is enough to make your skin crawl, and your heart ache for the people that died because of racist ideals set forth by Himmler and Hitler and thier other nzai goons

[Warriorbird]

Sad. Always feels that people like this just want to have some reason to feel better about themselves.

[Betheny]

Where did he come from?

[Warriorbird]

Decided to try to test the mods, I suppose.

[peam]

Probably just got his membership to the Black Helicopter Club.

[Wezas]

I hate people who start threads just to start an argument.

[Weedmage Princess]

First of all..Testosterone....if my suspicions are correct...welcome back :) Believe it or not, I mean it. If I'm incorrect, nevermind the previous comment.

Secondly, I want to echo the question a couple of others have asked. It "appears" this investigation took place after 1988..is that right?

I'm only going on what you've posted right now...I'm unable to look at the links you have (though I'm going to as soon as I can) and you didn't give an exact date of the investigation.

[StrayRogue]

This gibbon has bought into the opposite propeganda of the Gas Chambers. The same kind of "history" that says the gas chambers were TB inocculation rooms. While both sides are probably wrong to some extend, one fact remains clear: The Nazi's attempted to wipe the Jews off the face of the planet. No conspiracy, no lies, but history. Looking at the construction blueprints of the death camps, reading the manifesto's and listening to eye-witness accounts will testify to this.

There is a million and one bullshit articles out there.

[Tsa`ah]

Considering most of my lineage immigrated to the states during and after WWII. Considering my great grandfather, great uncle, grandfather, grandmother were all survivors of the concentrations camps, witness to the "showers", I'm just going to state that you rank down there with cholera.

The first thing my grandfather taught me about the holocaust was that the numbers were blown out of proportion and there did exist a great number of Jewish people, along with other minorities, that would use that to an advantage. Not every Jew is going to fall back on these numbers for sympathy.

I can relate to you a story told to me by a family friend. Rebeccah, 80 years of age at the time, had survived the holocaust. She had survived one of the worst camps, Dachau. In the late 70's she took the trip back home and visited the camp. Names of the deceased were on display as part of the tour and to her surprise, she was listed as dead.

The documentation is not accurate, neither is the end number. That is not the fault of the survivors or their decendants. That is the fault of the political machine.

These facts do not negate what happened. They do not negate the horror my family survived. They in no way justify those few million that died because they were Jewish, because they were gay, because they were black (yes, black people were victims of the holocaust as well. It negates nothing.

I can tell you what does matter, your ignorance. You fail to investigate the credentials of Leuchter and best yet, you quote Jefferson out of context.

It is well known that racist retards like to do this with historical figures. They like to take things out of context whenever they think someone ignorant enough to give them credit.

The quote is taken specifically from a book titled "The Americans – The Colonial Experience." And checking a web page that a frequently check for updates, I am correct. Page 64 of that book. This is Jefferson's letter to Monticello.

Jefferson was commenting on the state of current affairs. There was nothing anti-Semitic in his intent.

Check out the letter on your own.

http://odur.let.rug.nl/~usa/P/tj3/writings/brf/jefl249.htm

Check out the page I used to cross-reference.

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Cyprus/8815/what_they_said.html

As for the comments about Jews keeping to themselves, helping each other prosper... Who doesn't do that?

The Chinese have done this upon immigration.
The Italian, the Spanish, the French, the Irish, the Russian, the German, the Hispanic, the Chicano, the Latino, the Puerto Rican... The list is endless. It's only bad when the Jews do it? Give me a break. And not all of the aforementioned groups do this through the entirety of their people. I certainly don't live in a Jewish community. I certainly don't give a leg up to other Jews. Be sure you make the distinction between Jew, and Zionist. They go hand and hand in some cases, but I am not a Zionist. Neither are several hundreds of thousands of my fellow Jews.

Ignorance knows no bounds. Racism and anti-Semitism is always practiced by cowards.

[Caramia]

Jewish people by nature do not want to intermingle with the surrounding population and keep a very homogenius structure.

This is bunk, you clearly don't know a measurable cross-section of Jewish people personally enough to make such a broad sweeping comment, BEN, and welcome back. Nice posting name, btw, it fits.

I also have relatives that survived their experience of the camps, some kept diaries. There most certainly was a carefully carried out extermination of the Jews under Hitler's regime, and though it wasn't limited to just Jews, they were the majority affected.

Here's a link that pretty much debunks the debunker:
http://www.fpp.co.uk/Auschwitz/Leuchter/Rosenbaum.html

Are Jewish people so differently communitied than any other religion? Why... no, I can think of another religion that has cells all over the world, that have recently been investigated for acts of widespread terrorism, all in the name of their religion and "country." So let's not single out one religion, please. I'm sure HarmNone and others could elaborate about witch hunters and burnings done in the Middle Ages by the Catholics.

And if you want facts/statistics:
http://history1900s.about.com/library/holocaust/blchart.htm

Some of the camp listings include charts that show the various rooms at each camp, you know, like the showers and gas chambers that supposedly didn't exist.

And...
http://crescentmagazine.com/burningtimes/whatwas.html
http://members.aol.com/runes3/burn.htm

[Weedmage Princess]

I think it's interesting that Testosterone...who's been here since he or she has started this thread..hasn't said much else other than reply to Spun Girl's reply of why an exact number matters when the crime in itself was heinous. He or she has yet to respond to our curiousity regarding when this study took place.

1988 was quite a while after the time of WWII. You can't expect Auschwitz or any of the other chambers to be in tact as they were at the time of their operation.

Like Tsa'ah pointed out, the numbers probably are off somewhat, however..what happened, happened. I think it's truly pathetic though that the anti-Semites and other racists have to sink to this sort of low to justify their senseless hatred. If you want to be an anti-Semite, a racist, etc. then fine...but don't try to cover it up with lies, don't try to cover it up by saying racial pride...just own up to the truth of the matter. "I'm a racist because I'm a socially inept ignoramus with no true experience of the world, slipping and sliding down the ladder of evolution." Stand up and BE PROUD.

[Chelle]

*waves to Ben* Welcome back! I knew you couldn't stay away.

:lol:

[Fekkin]

Well, I also considered posting a few facts to show how moronic this cretin theory that the holocaust didn't happen is, such as my grandfather's being at the liberation of Dachau.

I then realized it would be a waste of time since inbred, chicken raping, cousin fucking neo-nazis won't listen to anything that doesn't support their own asinine point of view.

I suggest everyone just take this thread as proof that jacking off to nude pictures of Goering and Hitler kills brain cells.

[Warriorbird]

Knowing it's Ben, not much point saying anything. Hope someday you find something better.

[Testosterone]

1) I'm not ben.
2) Check my IP to make sure i'm not ben.
3) I've know ben, but do not talk to him regularly.
4) Personal attacks don't refute arguments.
5) Get a life.

[Moist Happenings]

Okay, then refute the argument of the massive amounts of proof showing that there WAS a holocaust, including by not limited to about 20 people that I know who have serial numbers tattooed on their arms?

[Sean]

we all know neff that some secret conspiracy group got together and all got the tattoo's to feed the propoganda machine.

that being said im sure my grandmother would have something different to say about the deathcamps then what testosterone has presented. considering the things she witnessed were so bad she can barely speak about them now without breaking down. it will amaze me if i can get her whole tale out before she passes away.

[Czeska]

Not only jews.. but Russians, gays, gypsies..

My grandfather was 100% Russian, and catholic. (btw I'm neither Jewish, nor catholic, just making reference for clarity) He was in a German prison camp. Unfortunately, I never had the opportunity to hear the whole tale because he died the summer before I was born.

However, I do know that he had his finger shot off because someone wanted his ring.
And that he escaped by taking papers off a dead man.
And that he had to live under a false name (along with my mother and her older sister) for several years afterwards.

Let's hear it for mass murder in the name of religion. It's been going on for thousands of years, it's going on today.

[Edited on 12-9-2003 by Czeska]

[Ravenstorm]

The entire thread is a waste of time. The so-called 'expert' the Nazi skinhead mentioned in his post turned out to be a fraud. He wasn't an expert. He wasn't a chemist nor an engineer. He was a pathetic little man with a bachelor's degree in history who hated Jews and wanted to rewrite history.

He was indicted when his actual credentials were revealed. Even responding to the moronic claims of the initial poster gives his words more value than they deserve.

Raven

[Meos]

This is just like FOX special they had a few years ago about how man didn't really land on the moon and it was a hoax.

Fuckin retard if you believe that shit

[Chelle]

There are just too many eye witnesses still alive to spew your garbage right now, Testosterone. Maybe you should wait till they've all died?

My grandmother is a German who was there and she will tell you that there were gas chambers and camps. So it isn't any biased Jew thing, before you accuse of that. As I've said before her family helped as many jews as they could excape what was about to happen to them.

Not to mention there is filmed documentation of what happened to the Jews. It is very graphical in nature and I have seen it. It is horrible.

Sorry, to burst your bubble but there are just too many witnesses.

[Caiylania]

I almost didn't read through this thread it made me so sick.

There are so many people who witnessed what they did in those camps that to deny it is not even ignorant, it is simply bullshit.

That is all I have to say.

[Chelle]

He's awful quiet now isn't he? heh. :)

[Skirmisher]

Shocking isnt it?

All that intense interent research he did looked so impressive to him at first too I bet. Leuchter really is a joke and as soon as I saw that this thread was using his testimony as its foundation it told me this was someone who googled and thought they really had something to back up their ignorant opinion. All it really did was to give us a chance to take skeet shooting practice at the shody "evidence he tried to use to back up his revisionist thinking.

Of course having people who actually have done reading and studied the topic rebut his "research" must have stunned him into submission.

He'll slink back with more garbage at some point I'm sure.

[Tsa`ah]

Very funny it has only replied to it's evolution thread.

Wonder why that is?

Next we'll be reading about the Franklin's journal and what he really thought about the Jews.

[Makkah]

<<Much like a virus self-replicating. >>

Are you fucking kidding?

rht

[Makkah]

PS: It might not be Ben, might be another Chatroom moron named Joe.

[RiverRat]

Heh. The second I hear "Jewish conspiracy", all following information is entered into my brain processes as "pure bunk". I've yet to really understand this whole idea of the "Jews are out to get us!". Be it the "Rothchild conspiracy" or Pierce (of Turner Diary fame)'s "Jewish Media conspiracy", its just outright pathetic.

Hopefully a tree will fall on this guy's remote wilderness cabin and bust the guy's internet connection.

-Notta worried about Jewish conspiracies.

[Ben]

The 'Problem of the Gas Chambers'
by Robert Faurisson







The Tribunal shall not be bound by technical rules of evidence.

Article 19 of the Statutes of the International Military Tribunal
(in reality: the Inter-allied Military Tribunal) at Nuremberg

The Tribunal shall not require proof of facts of common knowledge, but shall take judicial notice thereof.

Article 21 of the Statutes











No one, not even those individuals who regard the Third Reich with nostalgia, denies the existence of concentration camps under Hitler. Everyone also recognizes that certain camps were equipped with crematory ovens: instead of being buried, the corpses were reduced to ashes. The repeated occurrence of epidemics made cremation necessary, especially for those who had died of typhus (see the photos of mass graves at Belsen et cetera). What is disputed by numerous French, British, American, and German authors is the existence of "extermination camps." This expression is used by historiographers to refer to those camps that were supposed to have been equipped with "gas chambers." Allegedly, these "gas chambers" were different from American gas chambers in that they were used to kill hundreds of men, women, and children at a time. Because the victims were chosen because of their race or religion, this is referred to as "genocide." The poison employed in this "genocide" is said to have been Zyklon B (a pesticide based upon prussic or hydrocyanic acid).

Those who contest the "genocide" claim and the existence of the "gas chambers" are called Revisionists. Their argument runs approximately as follows:

It suffices for both of these problems ("genocide" and "gas chambers") to apply the customary methods of historical criticism, to see that one is confronted here by two myths that are inseparable. The criminal intentions that are attributed to Hitler have never been proven. As far as the weapon for this crime is concerned, no one has actually seen it. Here one is confronted by an extraordinarily successful war and hate propaganda campaign. History is full of frauds of this kind, beginning with their religious fables of sorcery and witchcraft. What distinguishes our times from earlier epochs is the frightening power of the media and the propaganda ad nauseam which is made for what must be called "the hoax of the twentieth century." Let him beware who, after 30 years, gets the idea to expose this hoax. He will learn depending upon the situation through imprisonment, fines, assaults and insults. His career can be shattered or endangered. He will be denounced as a Nazi. Either his thesis will be ignored, or else it will be distorted. No country will be more unrelentingly ruthless toward him than Germany. 1

Today however, the silence is about to be broken about those men who have dared to write responsibly that Hitler's "gas chambers" (including those of Auschwitz and Majdanek) are only a historical lie. That is a great advance.

But what insults and distortions an Exterminationist historian such as Georges Wellers allowed himself when, more than ten years after Paul Rassinier's death, he decided to expose the minutest part of the arguments of this ex-inmate of a concentration camp who had had the courage to reveal the lie of the "gas chambers" in his writings!

The best way in which a historian may inform himself regarding the actual claims of the disciples of Paul Rassinier is to refer to the work of American professor Dr. Arthur R. Butz entitled The Hoax of the Twentieth Century. 2

For my part, I take the liberty of making only a few observations specifically for serious research-oriented historians.

I call their attention to a paradox. Although the "gas chambers" are, in the view of the official historians, absolutely central to a picture of the Nazi concentration camp system (and furthermore, as proof for the totally perverse and devilish character of the German concentration camps in comparison to all previous and more recent concentration camps it ought to be meticulously shown how the Nazis proceeded to invent, construct, and operate these fearsome human slaughterhouses), one must be thoroughly astonished that in the impressive bibliography of the concentration camp literature there is not a single book, not a single brochure, not a single article, on the "gas chambers" themselves. One must not be misled by some very promising titles; rather one must ascertain the contents of these writings for oneself. I regard as "official historical writing" those publications which are written about the concentration camps by institutions or foundations that are partly or wholly financed from public funds, such as, for example, in France, the Comité d'Histoire de la Deuxième Guerre Mondiale (Committee for the History of the Second World War) and the Centre de Documentation Juive Contemporaire (Jewish Contemporary Documentation Center), and in Germany (Munich), the Institut für Zeitgeschichte (Institute for Contemporary History).

One must wait until page 541 of the thesis by Olga Wormser-Migot on the system of Nazi concentration camps, before one finds a passage about the "gas chambers." However, for the reader there are still three other surprises:

The passage in question covers only three pages.
It carries the title: "The Problem of the Gas Chambers."
The "problem" consists of trying to determine whether the "gas chambers" at Ravensbrück (Germany) and Mauthausen (Austria) really existed; the author comes to the conclusion that they did not exist; however she does not examine here the "problem" of the "gas chambers" of Auschwitz or any of the other camps, probably because in her mind they do not present a "problem." [on page 157 of her book she says that Auschwitz I had no gas chamber.]
At this point, the reader probably wants to know why an analysis that concludes that "gas chambers" did not exist in certain camps is suddenly discontinued as soon as, for example, Auschwitz is discussed. Why, on one hand, is the critical spirit awakened, and then, on the other hand, is it allowed to collapse into lethargy? After all, as far as the "gas chamber" of Ravensbrück is concerned, we have many points of "evidence" and "undeniable eyewitness accounts," beginning with repeated and extensive eyewitness accounts by Marie-Claude Vaillant-Couturier or Germaine Tillion.

It gets even better. Several years after the war, before both British and French tribunals, the camp officials of Ravensbrück (Suhren, Schwarzhuber and Treite) repeatedly confessed to the existence of a "gas chamber" in their camp. They even vaguely described its operation. Eventually, those who did not commit suicide were executed because of this alleged "gas chamber." The same "confessions" were given prior to their deaths by Ziereis for Mauthausen (Austria) and by Kramer for Struthof-Natzweiler (Alsace).

Today, one can see the alleged "gas chamber" of Struthof-Natzweiler and in the same place one can also read the unbelievable "confession" of Kramer. This "gas chamber," which is designated as an "historical monument," is a complete fraud. The slightest amount of critical spirit will be sufficient to convince oneself that a gassing in this small room, without any sealing whatsoever, would have been a catastrophe for the executioner as well as for the people in the vicinity. In order to make this "gas chamber" (which is guaranteed to be "in its original condition") believable, someone has gone so for as to clumsily knock a hole into the thin wall with a chisel, and thereby break four tiles. The hole was so arranged that Josef Kramer would have dumped through it the mysterious "salts" (about which he could give no further details and which, when mixed with a little water, killed within one minute!). How could salts and water make such a gas? How could Kramer have prevented the gas from coming back out the hole? How could he see his victims from a hole which would have let him see no more than half the room? How did he ventilate the room before opening the rudimentary door, made from rough-cut lumber? Perhaps one must ask the civil engineering firm in Saint-Michel sur-Meurthe (Vosges), which after the war altered the place which today is presented to visitors "in its original condition"?

Even long after the war, prelates, university professors, and some ordinary citizens gave eyewitness descriptions regarding the terrible reality of the "gas chambers" of Buchenwald and Dachau. With regard to Buchenwald, the "gas chamber" gradually disappeared from the minds of the people who had previously maintained that there was one in this camp.

Dachau
With regard to Dachau, the situation is different. After it had been firmly established for example by His Eminence Bishop Piguet, the bishop of Clermont-Ferrand that the "gas chamber" had been especially useful in gassing Polish priests,3 eventually the following official explanation came to pass:

This gas chamber, whose construction had been started in 1942, was still not completed in 1945 when the camp was liberated. No one could have been gassed in it.

The little room, which visitors are told is a "gas chamber," is in reality completely harmless and, while all sorts of construction plans are available for "Baracke X" (the crematorium and vicinity), one cannot determine upon what basis or technical explanation one can claim that this structure is an "unfinished gas chamber."

Broszat
No official historical institute has done more than the Institut für Zeitgeschichte in Munich to make the myth of the "gas chambers" believable. Since 1972 its director has been Dr. Martin Broszat. As a member of this Institute since 1955, Dr. Broszat became famous as a result of his (partial!) publication in 1958 of the confessions that Rudolf Höss (former Commandant of Auschwitz) is supposed to have written in a communist prison before he was hanged. However, on 19 August 1960, this historian had to tell his amazed countrymen that there had never been mass gassings in the entire Old Reich (Germany's 1937 frontiers), but rather, only in a small number of selected places, especially in occupied Poland, including Auschwitz and Birkenau but not Majdanek. This startling news was given in a simple letter to the editor which was published in the weekly magazine Die Zeit (19 August 1960, page 16). The title was quite misleading and restrictive: Keine Vergasung in Dachau (No Gassing at Dachau) instead of Keine Massenvergasung im Altreich (No Mass Gassing in the Old Reich).4 In order to support this contention, Dr. Broszat provided not the slightest piece of evidence. Today [1978], eighteen years after his letter, neither he nor any of his colleagues has provided the slightest explanation for this affirmation. It would be highly interesting to learn:

How does Dr. Broszat know that "gas chambers" in the Old Reich were frauds?
How does he know that the "gas chambers" in Poland are genuine?
Why do the "proofs," the "certainties," and the "eyewitness accounts" concerning the concentration camps in the west suddenly have no value, while the "proofs," "certainties," and "eyewitness accounts" concerning the camps in Poland Communist territory still remain true?
As if by some tacit agreement, not a single recognized historian has raised these questions. How often in the "history of history" has one relied upon the claims of a single historian? 5

German Camps in Occupied Poland
Let us now examine the "gas chambers" in Poland.

For proof that the "gas chambers" in Belzec or Treblinka really existed, one is asked to rely essentially upon the statement of Kurt Gerstein. This document from a member of the SS, who allegedly committed suicide in 1945 in the prison of Cherche-Midi in Paris, abounds with so many absurdities that in the eyes of historians it has for a long time already been thoroughly discredited.6 Furthermore, this statement has never been made public, not even in the documents of the Nuremberg tribunal, except in an unusable form (with truncations, falsifications, and rewritings). The actual document has never been available with its absurd appendices (French "draft" or the "supplements" in German).

Regarding Majdanek, a visit to the actual site is absolutely necessary. It is even more convincing than a visit to Struthof-Natzweiler, if that is possible. Over this question I will publish additional information.

With regard to Auschwitz and Birkenau, one must rely essentially on the "Memoirs" 7 of Rudolf Höss, which were prepared under the supervision of his Polish captors. At the actual site, one can only find a "reconstructed" room (Auschwitz I) and ruins (Auschwitz II or Birkenau).

An execution with gas has nothing to do with a suicidal or accidental suffocation. In the case of an execution, the executioner and his team must not be exposed to the slightest danger. For their executions, the Americans employ hydrocyanic acid in a sophisticated way, and that only in a small, hermetically-sealed chamber. Afterwards, the gas is exhausted from the chamber and neutralized.

For this reason, one must ask how, for example in the case of Auschwitz II or Birkenau, one could bring 2,000 people into a room measuring 210 square meters in area, and then in this highly crowded situation throw in the very strong pesticide Zyklon B, and then immediately after the deaths of the victims let a work crew without any gas masks enter the room in order to take out the bodies which had been thoroughly saturated with cyanide.

Two documents8 from the German industrial archives which were registered by the Americans at Nuremberg tell us that the Zyklon B had a strong tendency to adhere to surfaces and could not be removed from an ordinary room with a strong ventilator, but only by natural aeration for almost 24 hours. Additional documents may be found only at the site in the Auschwitz Museum archives, which were never described elsewhere, but which show that this room of 210 square meters, which is today in a dilapidated condition, was only a very simple mortuary, which (in order to protect it against heat) had been located underground, and which was provided with only a single door which served as both an entrance and an exit. 9

Concerning the crematoria of Auschwitz, there is just as there is generally for the entire camp an overabundance of documents and invoices down to the last penny. However, concerning the "gas chambers" there is nothing: no contract for construction, not even a study, nor an order for materials, nor a plan, nor an invoice, nor even a photograph. In a hundred war crimes trials, nothing of the sort was ever produced.

Christophersen
"I was in Auschwitz and I can assure you that there was no 'gas chamber' there." Only seldom does one hear defense witnesses with enough courage to pronounce this statement. They are persecuted in the courts. 10 Still today, everyone in Germany takes the risk that, if they give an eyewitness account in favor of Thies Christophersen (who wrote The Auschwitz Lie), they will be punished for '"defaming the memory of the deceased." 11

Immediately after the war, the Germans, the International Red Cross and the Vatican (which was otherwise so expert as to whatever happened in Poland), as well as many others, declared in an embarrassed tone: "The 'gas chambers' we knew nothing about them!" Yes but I would put the question this way: "Can one know about things which did not even happen?"

There was not a single "gas chamber" in even one of the German concentration camps; that is the truth. The nonexistence of "gas chambers" should be regarded as welcome news; to hide this news in the future would be an injustice. Just as there is no attack upon a religion if one portrays "Fatima" as a fraud, the announcement that the "gas chambers" are an historical lie is no attack upon concentration camp survivors. One is merely doing one's duty being truthful.

Conclusions
After 30 years of research, revisionist authors have reached the following conclusions:

The Hitler "gas chambers" never existed.
The "genocide" (or "attempted genocide") of the Jews never took place. In other words: Hitler never gave an order nor permission that anyone should be killed because of his race or religion.
The alleged "gas chambers" and the alleged "genocide" are one and the same lie.
This lie, which is largely of Zionist origin, has made an enormous political and financial fraud possible, whose principal beneficiary is the state of Israel.
The principal victims of this fraud are the German people (but not the German rulers) and the entire Palestinian people.
The enormous power of the official information services has, thus far, had the effect of ensuring the success of the lie and of censoring the freedom of expression of those who have denounced the lie.
The participants in this lie know that its days are numbered. They distort the purpose and nature of the Revisionist research. They label as "resurgence of Nazism" or as "falsification of history" what is only a thoughtful and justified concern for historical truth.
Supplement
Two publications and an official intervention by the author:

A letter to Historama, Paris, November 1975, page 10, on the expression "N.N." Originally, these initials never meant Nacht und Nebel (Night and Fog), but Nomen nescio (Anonymous). ln practice it meant that certain inmates would not be permitted to receive or send mail.
Segments of a letter to Historia, Paris, August 1977, page 132: "The Imposture of Genocide."
On 29 January 1978 at the Colloque National de Lyon sur Eglises et Chrétiens de France dans la Deuxième Guerre Mondiale (National Convention in Lyon on Churches and Christians of France during the Second World War) an intervention concerning the imposture of the "gas chambers" (see Rivarol, Paris, 16 February 1978, page 5).
Notes
Regarding the great number of vicious and insulting articles, there is a study by Hermann Langbein which appeared in Le Monde Juif (The Jewish World), April/June 1975. The title is "Coup d'oeil sur la littérature néo-nazie," ("A Glimpse at Neo-Nazi Literature"), pages 8–20. Hermann Langbein was an inmate in Auschwitz. He testified at countless trials. He holds an important position in the circles of former concentration camp inmates. One of his most recent works is entitled: Hommes et Femmes à Auschwitz (Men and Women of Auschwitz), Paris, Fayard, 1975, VIII-529 pages (Translated from Menschen in Auschwitz, Vienna, 1974.) Not one of the 30 chapters, not one of the 268 sections of this book is devoted to the "gas chambers"! Rather, one constantly sees expressions such as "selection for the gas chambers" etc. There is also a study by Georges Wellers which appeared in Le Monde Juif (op. cit.) April/June 1977. The title is "La 'Solution finale', de la question juive et la mythomanie néo-nazie" ("The "Final Solution" and Neo-Nazi Mythomania,"), pages 41–84. There is also a study by Ino Arndt and Wolfgang Scheffler in Viertelsjahreshefte für Zeitgeschichte (Quarterly Review for Contemporary History), which is a publication of the Institute for Contemporary History in Munich. The Institute's director is currently Dr. Martin Broszat. This study was published in the issue of April 1976. The title is: "Organisierter Massenmord an Juden in NS-Vernichtungslagern" (Organized Mass-Murder of Jews in Nazi Extermination Camps), pages 105–135.
The Hoax of the Twentieth Century. Newport Beach, CA: Institute for Historical Review, 1979.
Prison et Déportation (Prison and Deportation). Paris: Spes; 1947; page 77.
Broszat's letter is reproduced in facsimile (with its English translation) in The Journal of Historical Review, May/June 1993, page 12.
The famed Simon Wiesenthal has also admitted that "there were no extermination camps on German soil" in a letter to the editor of Books and Bookmen, page 5, April 1975. Although he later wrote in a letter dated 12 May 1986 to Professor John George of Central State University in Edmond, Oklahoma, that he "could never have said such a thing," Wiesenthal reconfirmed his earlier statement in a letter to the editor published on page 14 of the European editor of Stars and Stripes dated 24 January 1993. This letter is reproduced in facsimile in The Journal for Historical Review, May/June 1993, page 10.
See the opinion expressed by the forensic pathologist as it is reported by the Exterminationist Pierre Joffroy in his book about Kurt Gerstein: L'Espion de Dieu/La Passion de Kurt Gerstein (The Spy of God/The Passion of Kurt Gerstein), Paris, Grasset, 1969, page 262.
Kommandant in Auschwitz/Autobiographische Aufzeichnungen (Commandant of Auschwitz/Autobiographical Memoirs) by Rudolf Höss, Stuttgart, Deutsche Verlags-Anstalt,1958,184p; introduction and commentary by Dr. Martin Broszat. Concerning "gassing," see pages 126 and 166. The entry of the work crew into the "gas chamber" is supposed to happen "sofort" ("immediately") as it is written on page 166.
These two extensive documents which are of great importance were apparently not used at the trials of Gerhard Peters, former director of Degesch. They were registered as documents NI-9098 and NI-9912. They irrevocably reduce to nothing the "eyewitness testimony" of Höss regarding the "gas chambers."
Photographs Neg. 6228 and following.
Case of Wilhelm Stäglich, for example. See Stäglich in the Index Nominum of Butz's book (op. cit.).
Die Auschwitz-Lüge (The Auschwitz Lie), #23 of Kritik (2341 Kälberhagen, Post Mohrkirch, West Germany), 1974. This booklet was followed by Der Auschwitz-Betrug/Das Echo auf die Auschwitz-Lüge (The Auschwitz Fraud/The Echo of the Auschwitz Lie.).

[Bestatte]

Blah blah blah


The Tribunal shall not require proof of facts

blah blah blah

The end.

[Ravenstorm]

Gee Ben. I thought you were gone. Threads about phone sex and jerking off not capturing your attention? Anyway.

Faurisson, Leuchter, Zundel. All tied up together. We remember Leuchter right? The so-called expert who wasn't even an engineer or chemist who would blackmail prisons. Either they'd use him to service their electric chairs or he'd testify for the convict about to be executed that the chair might fail.

I'll tell you. I sure am inclined to believe him over the dozens of people with real degrees in chemistry and engineering, not to mention all those fake eye witness reports.

You'd think the neo-Nazis would manage to find a slightly more credible person after all these years. Then again, I'm sure they've tried.

Raven

[Ben]

Honestly, I could give a fuck about some jews in the holocaust, in fact I hope they *bleep*. Instead of reading the first couple google links that show up put out by holocaust.org why don't you read some published books.

*This post was edited retroactively, as requested by current posters*

[Edited on 3-26-2004 by HarmNone]

[Skirmisher]

Ben, if we are going for sheer number of pages we can pull off the net thats not a problem. Of course the sources I quote will be slightly more likely to be accepted at an accredited institution of higher learning than yours will I would wager.

Historians Respond:
Denial Denounced as Academic Fraud
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The History Department at Duke University, responding to a Bradley Smith CODOH ad, unanimously adopted and published a statement noting "That historians are constantly engaged in historical revision is certainly correct; however, what historians do is very different from this advertisement.

[T]here can be no doubt that the Nazi state systematically put to death millions of Jews, Gypsies, political radicals and other people."
-- History Department,
Duke University

Historical revision of major events. . . is not concerned with the actuality of these events; rather, it concerns their historical interpretation — their causes and consequences generally. There is no debate among historians about the actuality of the Holocaust. . . there can be no doubt that the Nazi state systematically put to death millions of Jews, Gypsies, political radicals and other people."

David Oshinsky and Michael Curtis of Rutgers University have written, "If one group advertises that the Holocaust never happened, another can buy space to insist that American Blacks were never enslaved. The stakes are high because college newspapers may soon be flooded with ads that present discredited assertions as if they were part of normal historical debate. If the Holocaust is not a fact, then nothing is a fact. . . ."

Peter Hayes, Associate Professor of History and German at Northwestern University, responded to a Smith ad by stating, "[B]ear in mind that not a single one of the advances in our knowledge since 1945 has been contributed by the self-styled 'Revisionists' whom Smith represents. That is so because contributing to knowledge is decidedly not their purpose. . . . This ad is an assault on the intellectual integrity. . . of academicians, whom Smith and his ilk wish to browbeat. It is also a throwback to the worst sorts of conspiracy-mongering of anti-Semitic broadside. . . Is it plausible that so great and longstanding a conspiracy of repression could really have functioned? . . . That everybody with a Ph.D. active in the field — German, American, Canadian, British, Israeli, etc. — is in on it together?. . . If one suspects it is, might it not be wise to do a bit of checking about Smith, his organization and his charges before running so implausible an ad?"


"No serious historian questions that the Holocaust took place."
"[T]he Association will not provide a forum for views that are, at best, a form of academic fraud."
-- Statements by the American Historical Association

Perhaps most significantly, in December 1991, the governing council of the American Historical Association (AHA), the nation's largest and oldest professional organization for historians, unanimously approved a statement condemning the Holocaust denial movement, stating, "No serious historian questions that the Holocaust took place." The council's action came in response to a petition circulated among members calling for an official statement against Holocaust-denial propaganda; the petition had been signed by more than 300 members attending the organization's annual conference. Moreover, in 1994, the AHA reaffirmed its position in a press release which stated that "the Association will not provide a forum for views that are, at best, a form of academic fraud."

[Skirmisher]

Originally posted by Ben
Honestly, I could give a fuck about some jews in the holocaust, in fact I hope they died. Instead of reading the first couple google links that show up put out by holocaust.org why don't you read some published books.

Well alright....the real Ben finally shows his "colors" as it were.

Go hang with Aims or Kniquee or whatever her name is already.

[Ravenstorm]

Originally posted by Ben
Instead of reading the first couple google links that show up put out by holocaust.org why don't you read some published books.

That's funny considering the two of you can only quote the same three or four people ad nauseum.

How about this? Why don't you read some books that were not written by them and instead the dozens refuting them?

Raven

edited to add:

Oh, and I'm assuming you mean 'read some books that agree with you' instead of the other kind you want us to ignore.

[Edited on 12-14-2003 by Ravenstorm]

[Ben]

Originally posted by Skirmisher
Well alright....the real Ben finally shows his "colors" as it were.



Shown my colors? I've been openly racist since day one I registered on this site and everyone know it. It's not a well kept secret, I've just tried to avoid arguing racialist politics on a gemstone messageboard.

[Skirmisher]

So what changed ?

[Edaarin]

I haven't had any problems with Ben thus far, for the most part I think he's been remarkably restrained. Then again I try not to read threads like this.

[Ben]

Originally posted by Skirmisher
So what changed ?


I'm not starting these topics am I? I could sit here and clog the boards with Nazi bullshit till I'm blue in the face, but I don't and won't.

[Caramia]

Good, let's let this thread fade then. :)

[Speaker]

If anyone cares... watch the documentary Mr. Death: The Rise and Fall of Fred A. Leuchter, Jr.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0192335/

It will show you how misguided he was, excellement documenatary though, basically refuting all his claims.

-Speaker

[Back]

Thats the fucked up thing about free speach... any asshole can claim whatever they want.

This thread is just plain stupid.

[Testosterone]

Bumpity BUMP BUMP.

This thread requires a hugeeeee bump. Go watch Mr. Death, a documentary about Fredrich Leuchter himself. They cannot refute the Leuchter's analysis that structurally the "gas chambers" could not, whatsoever function as any execution chamber.


Now I ask you to objectively look at the facts.

There were not as many people in the German controlled territories in 1941 as the 6 million killed figure suggest must have been present. This leaves a problem? How can the germans have killed more 6 million people, when that many did not exist.

The Absence of zyklon B on the gas chamber walls.

The structurally inability of the gas chambers to be used for executions.

The close proximity of hospitals, headquarters to facilities in Auschwitz and Berkeneu that would have lead to Zyklon B contamination.

The total man power that would be required to drag millions bodies.

The cost of burning millions of bodies.

The Lack of evidence of any chamber (that were destroyed by the germans), any documents about the chambers (that were destroyed by the germans) and conflicting reports of the atrocities by survivors.

The economic, and human toll this would have taken on German resources.

In the end, it just does not add up to me. Looking at the facts, I cannot accept that millions of jews were murdered by germans using Zyklon B gas. I do accept that many jews were killed by the germans, but I don’t know how many.

Other people can make up their own mind, this is my opinion, as I see it, based on facts.

[Bobmuhthol]

This thread requires a bump only because you feel the need to prove something now that a thread has YOUR NAME IN IT OMG.

[Edited on 3/25/2004 by CrystalTears]

[Lobster]

While Hitler may have been cruel I also don't believe in the premeditated killing of millions of jews. - Testosterone

Not correct.

Experts from Congressional Speeches on the Armenians

SENATOR RUDY BOSCWITZ, R-Minn. (CR-Senate, 4/25/84, p. S4852): When Hitler first proposed his final solution, he was told that the world would never permit such a mass murder. Hitler silenced his advisers by asking, "Who remembers the Armenians?"

The Turks killed an estimated 1 million Armenians between 1915 and 1922, yet it was something most people didn't know about. He thought that the european jews would have the same fate. Hitler wasn't the first or the last to commit genocide on a large scale, but he did do it very well...and yes, it was planned.

Anyone who says they have a good estimation of how many were killed is grasping at straws. Do specific numbers really matter when you're taking about genocide??? They don't in my opinion.

[Edited on 3-25-2004 by Lobster]

[HarmNone]

Ish. Who pulled the troll from under his bridge? Please, do not encourage him. He makes such a mess! :(

HarmNone, on the tackiness of trolls

[Skirmisher]

Fredrich Leuchter is a joke, the fact that he is the best champion that you can come up with is so pathetic your family should disown you.

Stop embarassing yourself by grasping at straws.

[HarmNone]

Do NOT feed the troll. He, or she, who feeds the troll will be subject to punishment with the whomping stick!

HarmNone hates trolls :flamed:

*Damn them smilies!*

[Edited on 3-25-2004 by HarmNone]

[Hulkein]

You've fed him twice, once more then anyone else since it was bumped, HarmNone. :spin: :clap:

[Testosterone]

You should be disowned for feeding into the Jewish propaganda of the Holohoax.

There is absolutely no way the holohoax could have happened. It is the biggest lie of the 20th century, perpetrated by the international Jew in his ultimate quest to destroy the white race, who’s on the top of civilization. You may think I look like a conspiracy theorist, nazi, but this is far from a fable. It’s true.

The Polish Government did analysis of the “execution chambers” and also found there was no contamination of Zyklon B gas. This is a fact. Although their conclusion was quite different than Fredrick Leuchters. In 1988, Fredrick Leuchter asked the scientific community to scrutinize his work on the facilities, and opened his data for scrutiny. What was the scrutiny he got? Being labeled a racist.

A fact is a fact.


the Auschwitz State Museum asked Poland's Institute of Forensic Research (in Krakow) to carry out a scientific investigation of the matter. Its expert report results buttress those of Leuchter: The institute's team found significant potassium cyanide residue in delousing facility samples, while next to none in alleged "gas chamber" samples. (note 11) (As will be discussed below, the Polish institute's conclusion regarding the significance of this finding differs from Leuchter's.)
...
At the 1989 conference of the Institute of Historical Review, Leuchter publicly challenged the international scientific community to investigate his findings -- hardly the behavior of a man who is guilty of falsifying his results. (note 12) A team of scientists could easily expose deliberate deceptions, as well as methodological errors, by Leuchter. All they would have to do is retrace his path, take more samples from the same facilities, and subject them to chemical analysis.

According to chemists of the German Degesch company (which manufactured Zyklon), exposed porous surfaces of an authentic (delousing) gas chamber must be coated with a sealant to make the facility impervious to HCN impregnation. (note 52) Leuchter found that none of the alleged extermination "gas chambers" in Auschwitz was coated with any sealant. (note 53) If these facilities had actually been used as extermination gas chambers, their walls, floors and ceilings would have absorbed significant quantities of HCN.


A fact is a fact.

[Myshel]

I just have a quick question for you Testosterone.

Where are all those people they rounded up in Europe?

[Sean]

I could call this a fact:

http://www.auschwitz-muzeum.oswiecim.pl/html/eng/historia_KL/krematorium_komora_1_ok.html

"Crematorium I operated from August 15, 1940 until July 1943. According to calculations by the German authorities, 340 corpses could be burned every 24 hours after the installation of the three furnaces.
The largest room in this building was designated as a morgue. It was adapted as the first provisional gas chamber in the autumn of 1941. The SS used Zyklon B to kill thousands of Jews upon arrival, as well as several groups of Soviet prisoners of war.

Prisoners selected in the hospital as unlikely to recover their health quickly were also killed in the gas chamber. Poles sentenced to death by the German summary court.

After the establishment in Auschwitz II-Birkenau of two more provisional gas chambers, Bunkers No. 1 and 2 (the so-called "little red house" and "little white house"), the camp authorities shifted the mass murder of the Jews there and gradually stopped using the first gas chamber.

After the completion of four crematoria with gas chambers in Auschwitz II-Birkenau, the burning of corpses in Crematorium I was halted. The building was used for storage, and then designated as an SS air-raid shelter.
The furnaces, chimney, and some of the walls were demolished, and the openings in the roof through which the SS poured Zyklon B were plastered."

Just because someone said it, or because its published (in print or on the web) does not make something a fact.

Edited for a stupid random smiley.

[Edited on 3-25-2004 by Tijay]

[Galleazzo]

Originally posted by Testosterone
A fact is a fact.
And this is a fact:

YOU FUCKING SUCK

I talked with my ex-wife's uncle who was in on the liberation of Buchenwald. I had relatives who died in those camps. I've seen Auschwitz myself in the service.

SO *bleep* SCREAMING YOU LYING FUCK

[Edited on 3-25-2004 by HarmNone]

[Testosterone]

Originally posted by Galleazzo

Originally posted by Testosterone
A fact is a fact.
And this is a fact:

YOU FUCKING SUCK

I talked with my ex-wife's uncle who was in on the liberation of Buchenwald. I had relatives who died in those camps. I've seen Auschwitz myself in the service.

SO *bleep* SCREAMING YOU LYING FUCK

Your relatives may have died in concentration camps, but they did not die in gas chambers.

Detailed review of pictures of "gas chambers" from 1945, current composition of the chambers, and lack of Zyklon B on chambers wall all leads to the same fact. They were not "gas chambers."

So take your personal fucking emotion out of this argument, because it does not contribute at all.



"Crematorium I operated from August 15, 1940 until July 1943. According to calculations by the German authorities, 340 corpses could be burned every 24 hours after the installation of the three furnaces.
The largest room in this building was designated as a morgue. It was adapted as the first provisional gas chamber in the autumn of 1941. The SS used Zyklon B to kill thousands of Jews upon arrival, as well as several groups of Soviet prisoners of war.

Prisoners selected in the hospital as unlikely to recover their health quickly were also killed in the gas chamber. Poles sentenced to death by the German summary court.

After the establishment in Auschwitz II-Birkenau of two more provisional gas chambers, Bunkers No. 1 and 2 (the so-called "little red house" and "little white house"), the camp authorities shifted the mass murder of the Jews there and gradually stopped using the first gas chamber.

After the completion of four crematoria with gas chambers in Auschwitz II-Birkenau, the burning of corpses in Crematorium I was halted. The building was used for storage, and then designated as an SS air-raid shelter.
The furnaces, chimney, and some of the walls were demolished, and the openings in the roof through which the SS poured Zyklon B were plastered."

Just because someone said it, or because its published (in print or on the web) does not make something a fact.

Those words may have been said, but they were said after torture, drugs, and lots of pains. The Jews extracted confessions out of the Nazi guards, and operators of the concentration camps. Similar to how under police examination, people confess to crimes they did not commit.

I have no doubt the german operators might have confessed, but they were obviously forced to sign papers that were invalid.


Further, no evidence of the supposed chambers exist. All the documents were supposedly destroyed by the germans, and the "execution facilities" were demolished with dynamite. The only confessions are from Nazi guards and operators of the concentration camps during the trials in Nuremberg.

This is very convenient for the Jews.

I also like how they say that they were first used for executions, then converted into air raid shelters. Also a nice convenience for jews, since they don't have to explain the lack of gas chambers. What a fucking joke.

To this day we have the guilt of the Holocaust on our shoulders. This myth has to be abolished.

The facts still remain.

As, a fact is a fact.

[Edited on 3-25-2004 by Testosterone]

[Edited on 3-26-2004 by HarmNone]

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Just because someone said it, or because its published (in print or on the web) does not make something a fact.

You are referencing, verbatim, this website.

http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/Holocaust/augas.html

DO YOU SEE THE IRONY?

[Satira]

Yeah, damn us Jews... I also hear we're controlling all the government nowadays...

[Skirmisher]

Grrrrrrrrrrr....I had this whole post made when i remembered Harmnones advice.

People, all he has said has been disproven before.

Would we be debating someone who claimed the moon was cheese?

Please lets all ignore this cautionary tale of how a little information is a dangerous thing.

[Mint]

Youre attempts at historical revision are a joke Testy. The Nazis themselves were Holocaust revisionists, they tried to hide their extermination programs behind euphemisms: 'resettlement', 'special treatment', and 'final solution'.

You are far from original. Holocaust denial is nothing new. Your attempt to appear scholarly is, however, laughable. You fail to realize that the revisionists often cite other revisionists in their footnotes, as well as distorting historical facts and eliminating anything that doesn’t agree with their beliefs. For example, holocaust revisionists say that the Nuremberg trials were a sham and all the testimony there was coerced so they ignore it. The testimony of the Jews is also thrown out the window by people such as yourself because you believe they have an interest in maintaining what you believe is a fiction. And on and on.

I don’t remember where I read this but it suits this topic: Shotgun approach: dispute every detail to cast a shadow of a doubt somewhere.







[Edited on 3-25-2004 by Mint]

[Edited on 3-26-2004 by Mint]

[Nieninque]

Originally posted by Testosterone
While Hitler may have been cruel I also don't believe in the premeditated killing of millions of jews.

This is a joke. There was no mass conspiracy to kill the jews.

Read Mein Kampf




{snip...}
I do not believe that there were camps established for sole murder of the jews.

Visit Auschwitz or Dachau or Belsen or one of the multitude of camps for yourself. Then tell us what you think the camps were used for.

[Galleazzo]

They were used for exterminating the Jews he hates so much, that's what. What he's really pissed off about is not about some fairytale "Holohoax" but that Hitler didn't have enough time to kill all the Jews in the world.

[Edited on 3/25/2004 by Galleazzo]

[Pierat]

1. Ok.... I never criticize the mods but im going to right now.
2. Im drunk so if your offended and your a mod dismiss it as such.
3. Heres the quote that offends me

Ben - "Honestly, I could give a fuck about some jews in the holocaust, in fact I hope they died."

4 - My point - WHY THE FUCK IS THIS FUCKING ASSHOLE NOT BANNED.

You "pull" all sorts of other fucking posts, pull this fucking scumbags posts off the god damn planet and erase him from existence.
You want to talk about hatred? How about the hatred that spews from these morons mouths? If these assholes dissapeared off the face of the earth, a whole lot of people would be a whole lot less defensive and everyone would get along a whole hell of allot much better.

You pull some stupid shit off the boards. I dont usually care, its not my buisness, oh no, a picture of someone who might be Klaive. Lets pull it off. Well this asshole is being as plainly racist and spewing pure hate on your boards, and thats better then a fucking picture of Klaive??????!?!?!?!?!

Im sorry if im being rash, im drunk, but I DO feel I have a point

[HarmNone]

Ummm, Ben is not here anymore, Pierat. That post was from back in December. I have not seen Ben here again since that time, that I can think of. :)

*Edited to add that, as moderators, these are not OUR boards. Kranar and CrystalTears are the Administrators. If you have concerns with a specific poster, it would probably be best to discuss it with one of them.*

HarmNone

[Edited on 3-26-2004 by HarmNone]

[Mint]

Tell us what you really think Pierat, dont hold back. Oh and get drunk more often.

Unfortunately there are people like testy in the real world. It is heartening to see the less than welcoming response he has received from the posters here however so for that alone I would not want him banned. Sent to a distant galaxy maybe but not banned.

[Mint]

And I thought Ben and Testosterone were one and the same poster. It would explain a lot...

[Pierat]

Yes, im drunk, and im more then happy to have people argue weither or not the holocost happened. Just another moron I can write off in my book of morons. Its the "I hope they died" comment" that pisses me the fuck off, I hope they died? Say that to my face ::grrrrrrrrrrrrr:: Im half scottish and half jewish, im fortunate enough where none of my relatives were involved in that, they were allready in the US and fought against the nazis during WW2, but being half jewish and having some low life scumbag say I hope they died to ANYBODY? You say that to a american indian whos standing right next to me? GRRRRRR, Low life scumbags who have no pleasure in life but trying to feel like theyre better then other people. Why dont they try to become something greater and do something with their lives? instead of spending it belittleing other people and being low life trailer park trash?

[Edited personal attack. ~Tsa`ah]

[Edited on 3-26-2004 by Tsa`ah]

[Pierat]

And I get drunk very often, just during the summer when you never see me

[HarmNone]

I could not agree with you more, Pierat. Judging from the attitudes of those who have posted in this thread, I would venture to say we are definitely in the majority. :)

HarmNone

[LordSagan]

HarmNone, why isn't this entire thread deleted? So this moron cannot continue bringing it back to life with a bump.

[Testosterone]

Originally posted by Pierat
Yes, im drunk, and im more then happy to have people argue weither or not the holocost happened. Just another moron I can write off in my book of morons. Its the "I hope they died" comment" that pisses me the fuck off, I hope they died? You motherfucker..... Say that to my face ::grrrrrrrrrrrrr:: Im half scottish and half jewish, im fortunate enough where none of my relatives were involved in that, they were allready in the US and fought against the nazis during WW2, but being half jewish and having some low life scumbag say I hope they died to ANYBODY? You say that to a american indian whos standing right next to me? GRRRRRR, Low life scumbags who have no pleasure in life but trying to feel like theyre better then other people. Why dont they try to become something greater and do something with their lives? instead of spending it belittleing other people and being low life trailer park trash?

Oh yeah, I love it when people think they're big and bad when their drunk.

I actually think what Ben said was hilarious. The fact is the holocaust is a perpetrated hoax, that's soul purpose is to impose guilt and self hatred on the white race, who's the enemy of the international Juden.

This cannot be denied. There is overwhelming evidence that shows there was no holocaust. The population figures don't lie.

There weren't even 6 million jews in the German controlled territories in 1941. At best there were a million jews in poland, which was the most populated of the territories, which are all accounted for after the war.

Repeat after me. Concentration camps, not gas chambers. You'll feel a lot better about yourself when you admit to this.

Now people have personal issues with the holocaust, and that i could give a fuck about. People got to wake up, and leave the past behind them.

The future for America and Europe is bleak. The international Juden has much to do with this, as well as the cultural revolution and destruction of our western values. By 2050, Whites will be the minority in America. Before that, America will crumble.

A fact is a fact.

[Personal attack edited. ~Tsa`ah]

[Edited on 3-26-2004 by Tsa`ah]

[Testosterone]

Originally posted by LordSagan
HarmNone, why isn't this entire thread deleted? So this moron cannot continue bringing it back to life with a bump.

No one is talking to you, or are you on another power trip?

There's a present issue here. Were there 6 million Jews killed by Nazi Germany. The striking answer is NO. I'd say at most 500,000 - 1,000,000 jews were killed at the hands of the Nazis in the eastern front. This could be a huge over guess. Argue it with me, if you believe my logic is flawed.

The fact is the gas chambers are a myth.

[Refrain from the personal attacks and keep the debate civil. What happened in December will is not necessarily acceptable today. ~Tsa`ah]

[Edited on 3-26-2004 by Tsa`ah]

[Parkbandit]

The only fact I can gather from your posts.. is that you are a dumb ignorant fuck who refuses to see the truth because it doesn't collaborate his wild theories.

A fact is a fact. You sir are a dumb, ignorant fuck.

[Testosterone]

Originally posted by Parkbandit
The only fact I can gather from your posts.. is that you are a dumb ignorant fuck who refuses to see the truth because it doesn't collaborate his wild theories.

A fact is a fact. You sir are a dumb, ignorant fuck.

The "gas chambers" structurally could not function in any Zyklon B executions.

No Zyklon B residue was found on any gas chamber walls.

There were not 6 million jews in the german controlled territories in 1941.

The amount of human resourced that would be needed to carry 6 million jews to their graves would be enormous, and a total burden on the German war machine.

The total cost of burning 6 million jews, would be even MORE costly, which the Germans obviously could not pay for while they were waging war with their enemies.

The discrepancies between concentration camp survivors about the supposed facilities at Auschwitz, and other "execution camps."

The total amount of "survivors" of the holocaust.

The lack of any evidence of chambers, present, past, or in writing. The only evidence is a few confessions by Germans at the trials in Nuremburg, which ironically were tortured out of them. This is the only evidence you can cling to about gas chamber executions.

All these facts leads up to the grand conclusion that the holocaust is a hoax perpetrated by post war Juden, to be given their own state or Israel, and establish a level of guild on the white race.

I ask you, what are your facts?

[Testosterone]

Once you can objectively look at the facts, and make a decision based on the facts, then you will no longer have the burden of "6 million jews" on your shoulder.

Anyone objectively looking at the facts can see this is the biggest lie of the 20th century. Do you guys actually see?

[HarmNone]

Originally posted by LordSagan
HarmNone, why isn't this entire thread deleted? So this moron cannot continue bringing it back to life with a bump.

Well, Sagan, it is like this: Testosterone has not, technically, broken TOS. That is why I, or another moderator, have not deleted the thread. However, if the thread is truly offensive to some of you I would ask that you U2U Kranar and/or CrystalTears with your concerns. I am sure they will be receptive to your needs and interests.

The Administrators and Moderators of The Players' Corner wish to maintain these forums for the enjoyment of the majority of the posters. Your input is important to all of us in determining what, in fact, you wish to see here, as well as what you do not wish to see here. :)

HarmNone

[Pierat]

"You're a low-life, drunk, piece of shit loser. Keep drinking your life away. Oh yeah, I love it when people think they're big and bad when their drunk. "

You can call me a looser all you want for drinking, I go out oh so rarely though and had a great time with my friends last night.
A -Concidering Ben's photos with booze when hes "alone" arent you being a little hypocritical?
B - You know what? Im normally not a tough guy. Im usually fairly nice, and I try to help people out and make people feel nice about themselves. But I have a problem when people push me, just to push me see, I dont like it. And I was raised in NYC and if you push me, youll be damn sure I turn into Mr. Tough guy and get "big and bad". In fact, bigger and badder then I am. Most fights I get into in fact are with guys that are bigger and badder then I am. Do you think that I care one bit how tough or big they are when they shove me? No, cause you know what? I dont like to be shoved. And right now your starting to put your "verbal" hands on me and im starting not to like it. How so? keep reading jackass.


"I actually think what Ben said was hilarious."
You would, now I get to explain how you just put your filthy hands on me you little prick. I aint drunk now, im just speaking from the heart. See, you can argue all you want about how you feel the holocost never happened. People claimed there were no Jewish people in the Twin Towers when they fell see and that it was part of this conspiracy. Well I had two friends who were jewish that died in them, so personally I know how much credit to give this hate talk. Because thats all it is, hate talk. But its not as bas as saying I hope, I wish, or im glad that "x" is dead. You gonna go up to a native indian and say im glad your relatives died when the white man came to the United States cause now theres less of them? Feel free to think that all you want buddy, but you know what? You dont say it unless your looking for a fight. Whos next after the Jews for you to go after huh? Its all about 1 thing to you, belittling other people to try to make your small pathetic group of inbred fucks feel more important and larger. You talk about white people becoming the minority? Buddy you got something worse to worry about, close minded pricks like you are becoming a minority even quicker. Just look how popular you two have been on these boards for example. The people who havent personally insulted, either wont even listen to your trash, or wont touch it with a hot poker. And you know what?

You would have been fine if you just spoke your opinions without being too hatefull. Say you know whats a interesting thing, many people believe the holocost never happened and heres why. But oh no, you gotta start saying shit like your glad they died, and then agreeing with comments like that. Then you go into your storys about how me being half jewish I get a secret decoder ring and how im involved in this world wide conspiricy.

Remember what ive said today buddy, cause its going to help you allot. Your on a sinking ship. Its time to keep your point of views to yourself because spreading them in the manner your doing is only going to get you in deep trouble one of these days when you piss off the wrong person. Its called mutual respect. And your fellow man deserves a little. Its the same mutual respect that keeps me from marching up to your house cause I dont like YOUR point of views. You can have a point of view and get it accross without being personally insultive and you will be more effective that way, will insult less people, and more people will listen to you.

[Pierat]

Harmnone, I actually disagree with you on 2 points about this being against TOS.

One is a little more BS in a way but its used to regulate the radio.
Safe harbor laws, you have it in your TOS as "By using the Players’ Corner, you agree not to: (a) harm a minor in any way."

I dont remember if you have a disclaimer when signing up, but I can assure you we all know minors read these boards. By saying racist things such as im glad the jews died, it can be almost as damaging emmotionally.


Heres my real point though, Heres your rule:
(d) upload, post, hyperlink, or otherwise transmit Content that is invasive of one's privacy, libelous, obscene, personally threatening, tortuous, or ethnically, racially, or sexually objectionable.

How is saying im glad that jewish people died not racially objectionable?

[Edited on 3-26-2004 by Pierat]

[Tsa`ah]

Zyklon B is extremely flammable, actually explosive.

Bodies saturated with hydrocyanic acid burn better than fresh cut timber, which in turn burns far easier than a fresh corpse.

Hydrocyanic acid combusts thoroughly to produce a salt, water, carbon dioxide and cyanide.

Sodium Hydroxide was easily identified along the floor and walls, as cyanide was in abundance along what remained of the vents, ceilings, and walls of the Auschwitz gas chambers.

Once again, your facts stem from poor references. May god have mercy on your sperm and render you sterile.

[When I find time I'll remove the rest of the personal attacks that have flown since this idgit thread was bumped.

Any complaints you may have about this editing can be forwarded on to the administration. Complaints directed toward me will be summarily flushed with my next bowel movement.]

[Edited on 3-26-2004 by Tsa`ah]

[HarmNone]

I hear you, Pierat. We did not like the posts suggesting that people die, or should die, either. We have, as a result of the proliferation of such posts, begun to edit out such statements. Ben's post, that you have referred to, was before this editing became necessary and nobody has had the time (or the desire for self-torture) to go back and get the ones that are still out there. That's why this one was left. There was really no way to find it until it surfaced again; hence, why we do not usually delete/edit retroactively. :)

HarmNone

[HarmNone]

I have edited out the offensive statement made by Ben in his old post from December. Any of you who have quoted it, may want to edit it out of your posts. I would, but I simply do not have time right now.

HarmNone

[Galleazzo]

"Juden?" Is THAT how it's going now?

You know something, if I posted a thread saying "Everything wrong with the world is because of the *unacceptable euphemism for homosexuals*," it'd be pulled in five seconds flat and I'd be put on warning. You know it, I know it.

What the fuck are you waiting for?

[Edited on 3-26-2004 by HarmNone]

[Sean]

Do you have any information that you think could potentially back that up? He didn't use any off color words to start the thread. Your just citing an example thats an extreme and acting like its the same thing. If you can't tell the difference between the way this thread was started and your example I don't know what to tell you. Is it a sensitive issue? Yes. Did he approach in a manner that was inflamatory? No.

[Parkbandit]

Just a couple of pictures from the 'supposed' holocaust.

You can visit the site that I got these pictures from here:

http://shamash.org/holocaust/photos/

[DeV]

Originally posted by Testosterone
Once you can objectively look at the facts, and make a decision based on the facts, then you will no longer have the burden of "6 million jews" on your shoulder.

Anyone objectively looking at the facts can see this is the biggest lie of the 20th century. Do you guys actually see? I see that there are more pressing battles needed to be fought in this world right now. Do you have some type of sick hatred for Jews perchance? What is the real reason behind you posting these theories? Does it matter if the number were 3 million or even 1 million? What is your goal here?

[Parkbandit]

Just a couple of pictures from the 'supposed' holocaust. I won't post any pictures of the bodies.. but here are some pictures taken at different locations of just the shoes.

You can visit the site that I got these pictures from here:

http://shamash.org/holocaust/photos/

[Sean]

PB you don't have to use link tags you just post the url straight.

[Parkbandit]

Just a couple of pictures from the 'supposed' holocaust. I won't post any of the pictures of the bodies, just the shoes that were taken from them.

You can visit the site that I got these pictures from here:

http://shamash.org/holocaust/photos/

[Parkbandit]

Just a couple of pictures from the 'supposed' holocaust. I won't post any of the pictures of the bodies, just the shoes that were taken from them.

You can visit the site that I got these pictures from here:

shamash.org/holocaust/photos/ (http://)

Edit: I couldn't get the pictures to post.. was getting some column error.. so go there and look for yourself.

[Edited on 3-26-2004 by Parkbandit]

[Skirmisher]

Dearest Testosterone, to make this post intelligible to you I shall attempt to use the smallest words possible. Please do try to follow.


[list=A]
As Tsa ah mentioned, the supposed cost and fuel requirements argument used by revisionists seems a good one when people remember the fuel constraints all countries involved in WWII were under. However, the FACT is that the human body actually will burn after reaching a certain temperature. It BECOMES the fuel, negating the need for petrol to be used in the quantities revisionists try to claim, so nice try, if incorrect
The old "levels of poison found in delousing rooms were higher than those found in extermination chambers" pretext is also painfully simple to refute. Delousing chambers were never intended to be anything BUT and as such were kept at a constantly high level of toxicity. The exterminantion rooms however were equiped with blowers and or hosed down with frequency to clear the rooms more quickly after each use so as to facilitate the more rapid (oh that german efficiency) cycling of the rooms. Of course the levels of poisons were lower in them, they were supposed to be...
Please do keep trying to ride the lone torch bearer that is Luechter as you make my job easy. He was exposed for the joke he is in the original trial. His credentials are nonexistant, his methods slipshod and clearly biased and are not accepted as correct by any historian or scientist of any credible standing in the academic community.
[/list=A]

You are not trying to sway the opinion of some ignorant kid here Testy, you think you really can try to quote someone and simply because its a quote we'll just roll over and acquiesce to your ramblings?

I enjoy exposing racist ignorance for exactly what it is, so unless the admins decide to no longer allow you to spout your special brand of stupidity please....Bring it.

[Sean]

For Parkbandit:

Auschwitz.

http://shamash.org/holocaust/photos/images/Auschw02.jpg

Belzec

http://shamash.org/holocaust/photos/images/Belzec01.jpg

Maidanek

http://shamash.org/holocaust/photos/images/Maidan01.jpg

I edited to change the Images to url links directly to the Images from the source that PB was trying to direct you to. So look at your own risk.

[Edited on 3-26-2004 by Tijay]

[Testosterone]

Zyklon B must be heated to become a gas. Below 26 degrees celsius, the HCN will not separate from the carrier. During the many months of winter, where this supposed executions were taking place, the whole facility at “Auschwitz” would need to be heated to allow the gas to be evenly distributed in the “gas chamber.” This poses a problem. There were no heating vents in Auschwitz or any of the other supposed “execution” chamber.

If you view the complexity of gas chamber designs in the USA, this is not a problem. They have heating systems, ventilations systems, are air sealed, and are welded and riveted steel construction. They are top notch facilities. This cannot be said for the “gas chamber.”

Secondly, cyanide was not found by Leuchter at any of the samples he conducted from the “gas chamber.” The second Polish investigating team found 1 sample out of 8 that had “trace” signs of cyanide, at a concentration of .01 mg/kg. This is even below the minimum value that was able to be tested for in the Lab Leuchter used to conduct his analysis. This was the ONLY sample ever taken from ANY gas chamber that showed ANY signs of Cyanide, and it was at “trace” levels. The same cannot be said for the delousing chambers in the facilities at Auschwitz, where all samples had shown over 100 times greater concentration of Cyanide.


The lie of “Crematoriums”

Of equal importance are Exterminationist errors relating to the crematories. If these crematories, operated at a theoretical rate of maximum output per day, without any down time and at a constant pace (an impossible situation), and we accept the figure of at least six million executed, the Third Reich lasted for at least forty-two (42) years, since it would take thirty-five (35) years at an impossible minimum to cremate these six million souls.
No one by any stretch of the imagination would allege (or even believe) that the Third Reich ever lasted for seventy-five (75) or even forty-two (42) years, yet they would have us believe that six million souls were executed with equipment that could not possibly have functioned, in less than one-seventh of the absolute minimum time it could possibly have taken.

A picture is a thousand words right? People die in concentration camps, and the people that can’t work are killed. Why show such grotesque pictures? I thought they were supposedly burned by the Nazi’s? This shows clear evidence that there were no Crematoriums for the burning of jews, or any gas chambers used to kill them. I don’t know if this is offensive or not, but the Nazi’s did not like jews, and used them as slave labor, and killed the ones seen unfit to carry out any sort of work. Is this barbaric? That’s for you to decide. Was there a premeditated, precise plan of mass extinction of the Jews? I would say no, based on the facts I have seen.

[Latrinsorm]

Your error is in assuming that they were all cremated. As has been suggested before, read Mein Kampf.

[Testosterone]

Secondly, someone asked why is this of significance, whether 1 million died, or 6 million. Whether the nazi’s used gas chambers or not? History is very significant to me, as well to many others. Why do the Palestinians want their land back? Why do german companies have to fork over billions of dollars in settlements to jews? Why does the US hand over 5 billion dollars a year to Israel.

We must begin to ask all these questions. The most prevalent shall be, Is Israel really our friend?


Israel attacked the United States ship USS Liberty in 1967.
http://www.ussliberty.org/
Ship attacked by Israel during the 1967 six day war.


Israel gave erroneous intelligence to the US and Britain in the leading days to operation “Iraqi Freedom” that exaggerated Iraqi Weapons of Mass Distruction.
Report: Israel Was Wrong About Iraq Weapons (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,115184,00.html)


Israel, the Mossad in general, potentially knew about the Terror attacks of 9/11 and had a whole spy ring in the united states, tracking the hi-jackers that flew the plains into the world trade center.
http://ww1.sundayherald.com/37707
This makes it clear that there was no suggestion whatsoever from within American intelligence that the Israelis were colluding with the 9/11 hijackers – simply that the possibility remains that they knew the attacks were going to happen, but effectively did nothing to help stop them.


All these situations should be troubling to us, as United States Citizens. We have been lied to, by the jews once, and it will happen again. Why should we accept this?

I again must say, the Jews underlining purpose today, is destruction of their enemies. They are a very homogenous population, and do not like outsiders. We, Americans are Jewish enemies. If that means they don't tell us about 9/11, attack our ships, or lie to us and get us to attack their enemies whatever it takes, they will do. They have vast power in the world of politics, business, are the 4th largest and second most sophisticated army in the world and process a nuclear arsenal greater than great britain. Jews started the cultural revolution of the 1960's, (research Frankfurt School) and collaborate in international currency and exchange. I think i sould like a god damn conspiracy theorist, but all this is the truth.

The jews threatened to use nuclear weapons on egypt, and to blow Cairo off the map. The jews are ruthless, and this is a very large problem.

It's really time to set the facts straight. The jews are not a friend of the White man.

[Galleazzo]

Originally posted by TestosteroneI don’t know if this is offensive or not, but the Nazi’s did not like jews, and used them as slave labor, and killed the ones seen unfit to carry out any sort of work. Is this barbaric? That’s for you to decide.
Suppose you tell us. We already decided.

Yes or no: Do you hate Jews?

Yes or no: Do you think that killing Jews is barbaric?

[Testosterone]

Originally posted by Latrinsorm
Your error is in assuming that they were all cremated. As has been suggested before, read Mein Kampf.

Mein Kampf was written before WWII, and was probably a way to get Hitler elected. This whole conspiracy of 6 million is frank bull.

Your reasoning that the Crematoriums were lies, so where are the 6 million bodies. It's very easy to dismiss this. There are not 6 million rotting corpses anywhere, in poland or any of the german controlled terriroties. This is why crematoriums are a very good, effective way of the jews to expand the lie, and make it viable.

[Testosterone]

Originally posted by Galleazzo

Originally posted by TestosteroneI don’t know if this is offensive or not, but the Nazi’s did not like jews, and used them as slave labor, and killed the ones seen unfit to carry out any sort of work. Is this barbaric? That’s for you to decide.
Suppose you tell us. We already decided.

Yes or no: Do you hate Jews?

Yes or no: Do you think that killing Jews is barbaric?

Do jews hate me? Yes or no. Since the answer is yes, i'll have to say yes, because if my enemy hates me, and i don't hate him i will perish. Do you want white people to perish?

2050: White minority in US. The united states is a boiling pot, it will crumble within 40 years. It was not designed to accommodate all these third world citizens. This is a fact. It was created of european roots and heritage, not mezzito, juden, africans or asians.

Do i think killing jews is barbaric? Well, do i think killing people is barbaric? If there's a good reason for it, no. In wartime, no. In execution chamber, no. For no reason, yes.

[Edited on 3-26-2004 by Testosterone]

[Testosterone]

P.S. I think those grotesque images should be taken off by a moderator.

They contribute none to this thread. We have already deemed that nazi’s killed jews, but the question are.

Were gas chambers used?
Did 6 million perish?
Was there a plot to kill every jew in german controlled territory?
Are the jews, presently, using the USA and it’s power.

These need answer.

[Latrinsorm]

I should have separated that better. Mein Kampf is not intended to prove how many Jews were killed, it shows the motivation, which you have stated did not exist.
Originally posted by Testosterone
Your reasoning that the Crematoriums were lies, so where are the 6 million bodies. It's very easy to dismiss this. There are not 6 million rotting corpses anywhere, in poland or any of the german controlled terriroties. This is why crematoriums are a very good, effective way of the jews to expand the lie, and make it viable. No. I'm reasoning that not ALL of the bodies were cremated, but SOME were. You also vastly overestimate the time it takes for a corpse to decay.

[Testosterone]

Bones don't disappear any time soon, sorry. If you want to say most people were not cremated, then corpses and bones must be found.

There are none. Why? It didn't happen. If there were 6 million bodies, this would probably be good evidence of a "holocaust", and if they appear to be killed by Hydrogen Cyanide, then its good proof that "gas chamber" were used in the execution.

But this is not what happened.

[HarmNone]

Originally posted by Testosterone
P.S. I think those grotesque images should be taken off by a moderator.


Those images are no more grotesque than your thinking, Testosterone. As long as this thread stands, the images will remain.

HarmNone

[Testosterone]

I question the holocaust, as a perpetrated lie, by an international community that has something to benefit from it. I do it in a logical, factual, manner.

I'm sorry that you cannot follow facts, logic, and flat out common sense to see behind the deception of the biggest lie of the 20th century.

Those pictures are grotesque, whether you agree or disagree with me.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

We should be able to vote Testosterone off like they do on Survivor.

[HarmNone]

The links to the images WILL remain, Testosterone. You are grotesque!

HarmNone

[HarmNone]

Originally posted by Suppa Hobbit Mage
We should be able to vote Testosterone off like they do on Survivor.

Let me say this about that...:D

Testosterone disappeared back under his bridge when he was not getting the attention he so desperately craves. The mentioning of his name, and/or the responses to his blatherings, brings him back out into the light. Were he completely ignored he would, most likely, crawl back into the darkness from which he came.

The power is in YOUR hands, people.

HarmNone

[Sean]

If we aren't supposed to call it a holocaust according to you what are we supposed to call it? This is how webster defines the word:

Main Entry: ho·lo·caust
Pronunciation: 'hO-l&-"kost, 'hä- also -"käst or 'ho-l&-kost
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Old French holocauste, from Late Latin holocaustum, from Greek holokauston, from neuter of holokaustos burnt whole, from hol- + kaustos burnt, from kaiein to burn -- more at CAUSTIC
1 : a sacrifice consumed by fire
2 : a thorough destruction involving extensive loss of life especially through fire <a nuclear holocaust>
3 a often capitalized : the mass slaughter of European civilians and especially Jews by the Nazis during World War II -- usually used with the b : a mass slaughter of people; especially : GENOCIDE

Where in the literal defintion of the word holocaust does it say Gas Chambers must be used. Thats assuming we accept your "facts" as you present them.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Come on HarmNone, you could be the one that says "The tribe has spoken"

[HarmNone]

Not a chance, SMH! This one is on you guys! I ain't yer mama!

HarmNone, thankful for small favors :D

[Ylena]

Originally posted by Testosterone
I question the holocaust, as a perpetrated lie, by an international community that has something to benefit from it. I do it in a logical, factual, manner.

I'm sorry that you cannot follow facts, logic, and flat out common sense to see behind the deception of the biggest lie of the 20th century.

I'm sorry that the public educational establishment is so deficient, as demonstrated by your claims. I'm sorry that you cannot follow facts, logic, and flat out common sense to see that the mass extermination of millions of people DID take place.

Have you actually done any reading? It wasn't just the Jews. It was also gypsies, homosexuals, overt Christians, and if they had enough time, I strongly suspect they would have gotten around to sterilizing everyone who wasn't blond and blue eyed.

Frankly, I find it enormously disturbing that with the amazing amount of original source material out there -- thousands of photographs, thousands of hours of film of pathetically starved people and heaps of corpses, not to mention all the writings of people who were actually there to witness the events and the aftermath -- you actually have the audacity to make this kind of claim. If you don't think any of this happened, then why do you find those photographs disturbing? They're all faked, right?

You do realize there was no CGI back then, right? It would have been impossible to fake all the photographs, film, etc. You do realize it would have taken the concerted effort of millions of people to produce all the writings, right? You do realize that it's impossible for the hundreds of thousands of camp survivors to have mass hallucinations, right?

So, tell me, do you think the gypsies, homosexuals, political dissidents, and overt Christians were making it all up, too? Why do you cling to the notion that it's more credible that it was a hoax. Hey, do you think we landed on the moon, or was that all a big movie set?

[Testosterone]

Originally posted by Ylena

Originally posted by Testosterone
I question the holocaust, as a perpetrated lie, by an international community that has something to benefit from it. I do it in a logical, factual, manner.

I'm sorry that you cannot follow facts, logic, and flat out common sense to see behind the deception of the biggest lie of the 20th century.

I'm sorry that the public educational establishment is so deficient, as demonstrated by your claims. I'm sorry that you cannot follow facts, logic, and flat out common sense to see that the mass extermination of millions of people DID take place.

Have you actually done any reading? It wasn't just the Jews. It was also gypsies, homosexuals, overt Christians, and if they had enough time, I strongly suspect they would have gotten around to sterilizing everyone who wasn't blond and blue eyed.

Frankly, I find it enormously disturbing that with the amazing amount of original source material out there -- thousands of photographs, thousands of hours of film of pathetically starved people and heaps of corpses, not to mention all the writings of people who were actually there to witness the events and the aftermath -- you actually have the audacity to make this kind of claim. If you don't think any of this happened, then why do you find those photographs disturbing? They're all faked, right?

You do realize there was no CGI back then, right? It would have been impossible to fake all the photographs, film, etc. You do realize it would have taken the concerted effort of millions of people to produce all the writings, right? You do realize that it's impossible for the hundreds of thousands of camp survivors to have mass hallucinations, right?

So, tell me, do you think the gypsies, homosexuals, political dissidents, and overt Christians were making it all up, too? Why do you cling to the notion that it's more credible that it was a hoax. Hey, do you think we landed on the moon, or was that all a big movie set?

First of all, I ask anyone who is going to respond this.

Clear your mind of what you think is true, and objectively look at the facts. Is mass extermination using gas chambers plausible, economically, or resourcefully? Is it a viable option to the “final solution,” of extermination of the European Jewish population? Were there even that many Jews in Nazi controlled Europe during the killings? Look at all the factors, and objectively decide for yourself if the holocaust really happened as we are taught. Refuse to bring into personal emotion into your decision, and reject any such evidence. Until you clear your mind, you cannot objectively decide on the facts.

Now lets get to the real topic.

No one ever denied the films, and that they were CGI. What does your post actually prove? That there were hundreds of camp survivors and that they were starving?
Let’s examine that. Why would there be thousands of camp survivors, if they were being continuously gassed. That does not make sense. They would be dead. It only makes sense if you see that they were “slave labor camps” and not “extermination camps.” Do you consent the point that they were “slave labor camps” and not “gas extermination camps?”

Secondly, no one doubts that germans killed many Jews. Please read the posts, and make up your mind based on facts and common sense. Stop being lazy.

You claim that the testimonials of survivors as to attest to the genocide known as the “holocaust.” Yet, these very testimonials are filled with contradictions and false stories. None collaborators with each other. These stories are fiction stories. There were no gas chambers. Once you realize this, you can be free. In court, DNA is always favored over human witnesses. I wonder why.

Gypies, homosexuals, political descendants, and Christians might have suffered under the regime of Adolf Hitler, but they were not persecuted in gas chambers. They might have been killed, so be it. Why do we not examine the killing of Armenians, by the turks. Why not examine how many people Stalin killed? Both more ruthless than Hitler himself.

Hitler showed remorse for the English, which the English never thanked of. He saved over 300,000 British troops at Dunkirk. They could have been annihilated by the German army, but Hitler thought the price of Englishmen, who were white, was too great to pay for victory. Hitler wanted to unite Europe, not destroy it.

Thirdly, your post is filled with guilt, personal trauma, which generally shows lack of intelligence. I cannot have a argument, based on premises and conclusions with someone who shows no common sense or logic, and blabbers about “my uncle”, “homosexuals”, rather than objectively looking at the facts.

My first part of the pose may sound harsh, but I thought it was necessary and very accurate.

[Edited on 3-26-2004 by HarmNone]

[Testosterone]

GYM TIME.

TIME TO FUCKING SQUAT TILL I PUKE AND GET ALL MY ANGER FROM THE DAY OUT.

LATER.

[Betheny]

Originally posted by Testosterone
GYM TIME.

TIME TO FUCKING SQUAT TILL I PUKE AND GET ALL MY ANGER FROM THE DAY OUT.

LATER.

I think that means he's going to go get a colonic from some unlicensed dude named Bruce.

[DeV]

Originally posted by Testosterone
GYM TIME.

TIME TO FUCKING SQUAT TILL I PUKE AND GET ALL MY ANGER FROM THE DAY OUT.

LATER. Hopefully you don't puke out any remaining brain cells that might have a nano-bit of intelligence left.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

I do something wrong? My post got deleted.

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by Suppa Hobbit Mage
I do something wrong? My post got deleted. Did you tell him to ommit-kay uicide-say? That's a no-no nowadays.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

No, but I probably should :)

[Mint]

Originally posted by Tijay
For Parkbandit:

I edited to change the Images to url links directly to the Images from the source that PB was trying to direct you to. So look at your own risk.

I cannot. Pictures of atrocities committed by humans on other humans saddens me immensely. Sorry PB.

[Galleazzo]

Let me quote General Eisenhower for you, who SAW those camps:


"The same day [April 12, 1945] I saw my first horror camp. It was near the town of Gotha. I have never felt able to describe my emotional reactions when I first came face to face with indisputable evidence of Nazi brutality and ruthless disregard of every shred of decency. Up to that time I had known about it only generally or through secondary sources. I am certain, however that I have never at any other time experienced an equal sense of shock.

"I visited every nook and cranny of the camp because I felt it my duty to be in a position from then on to testify at first hand about these things in case there ever grew up at home the belief or assumption that `the stories of Nazi brutality were just propaganda.' Some members of the visiting party were unable to through the ordeal. I not only did so but as soon as I returned to Patton's headquarters that evening I sent communications to both Washington and London, urging the two governments to send instantly to Germany a random group of newspaper editors and representative groups from the national legislatures. I felt that the evidence should be immediately placed before the American and British publics in a fashion that would leave no room for cynical doubt."

And this after the reporters had toured Buchenwald:


"You saw only one camp yesterday. There are many others. Your responsibilities, I believe, extend into a great field, and informing the people at home of things like these atrocities is one of them... Nothing is covered up. We have nothing to conceal. The barbarous treatment these people received in the German concentration camps is almost unbelievable. I want you to see for yourself and be spokesmen for the United States."

[Galleazzo]

(coughs) So ... hatred towards homosexuals is out of bounds (good) but directly advocating the extermination of Jews is okay?

This is the biggest What The Fuck?? I've seen in years.

[HarmNone]

Originally posted by Suppa Hobbit Mage
I do something wrong? My post got deleted.

Heh. No, hon. That was MY bad! I'm wrestling alligators, and I have too many out at one time! The result was that I deleted a post that should not have been deleted. That'll teach me to over-multi-task, eh?

Sorry I deleted your post. I'd blush if I had time. :D

HarmNone, the abashed

[HarmNone]

Originally posted by Galleazzo
(coughs) So ... hatred towards homosexuals is out of bounds (good) but directly advocating the extermination of Jews is okay?

This is the biggest What The Fuck?? I've seen in years.

To whom are you speaking with this post, Galleazzo?

HarmNone

[Skirmisher]

Testosterone, you are behaving like a courtroom lawyer complaining that the photos are inflammatory.

I actually wish I were stronger and could ask that those photos be placed with every post you make to show what your beliefs and desires would allow to occur if allowed to run unchecked.

Alas I am not and so am glad they are down as they sicken me physically.

Whoever taught you to think the way you do are hate and fear filled people.

I cannot be positive if you are able to come back from down that path still or are too far gone. I hope you can.

[Galleazzo]

He's not. I bet Testanazi looks at those photos with his hand down his pants, because they're of a lot of dead Jews.

He's already said that the Jews are the enemies of the white race and it's okay to exterminate them. So I bet he worships Hitler, the same way he wishes he could be one of the Hamas terrorists so he could kill some Jews himself.

[Latrinsorm]

I like Ike.

[HarmNone]

Okay, c'mon! Let's cut it out with the one-liners that are obviously off topic! If your post count is that important to you, you need to ask your mommy for another sandbox pass. :rolleyes:

HarmNone will start deleting these, people

[Galleazzo]

Hey, I quoted Eisenhower, maybe that's what that was about.

:yes:

[HarmNone]

Nevertheless, it contributes nothing to the thread, now does it?

HarmNone

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by HarmNone
Nevertheless, it contributes nothing to the thread, now does it?Pfft.

My endorsement makes Eisenhower's words meaningful. Le duh. :D

[HarmNone]

Latrinsorm, the Whomping Stick of Ultimate Doom is unsheathed and ready. You will not enjoy meeting it up close and personal. :D

HarmNone, has whomping stick, will whomp (and is liking this thread much better since it has veered totally off topic!)

[Sean]

Originally posted by Galleazzo
(coughs) So ... hatred towards homosexuals is out of bounds (good) but directly advocating the extermination of Jews is okay?

This is the biggest What The Fuck?? I've seen in years.

No one said you can't express hatred toward homosexuals. There is still a huge difference between what you proposed in your post and what this thread is. If you deleted every thread or banned every person who expressed an opinion that was unpopular where we would be? The difference is hes putting forth an arguement backed by what he considers facts. If you disagree with them argue back with facts of your own. There is a difference. If this thread was called All Jews Should Die. It would be problematic. But it's not.

[Pierat]

Maybe im confused Tijay but are you saying:
So, all jews should die = bad
And, Im glad all those jews died is ok?

[Sean]

It's not okay. It slipped by in the past in Decemeber. It's been editted since.

As much as I wish us moderators could catch everything. We do miss things from time to time. The post wasn't reported until now 3 months later. After debating about retroactive edits HN editted it.

[Edited on 3-27-2004 by Tijay]

[HarmNone]

Tijay is absolutely right. If something offensive gets by us, and nobody reports it, there is no way for us to know it is out there, lurking, ready to spring back at us later. When this thread was bumped by Testosterone, the offensive comment came with it.

While we do not usually edit retroactively, I did so this time because the comment was brought to my attention and was clearly offending some of you. We really try, but we just don't catch them all. That's what the Report Post function is for. Help us out here, fellas! :)

HarmNone

[Mint]

Heh, I reported HN's post. Sorry! It needed to be done.

[HarmNone]

Hee! Ten strikes with the whomping stick for you, Mint! You may start hollering..........now!

HarmNone, weilder of the whomping stick

[Testosterone]

MODERATORS: Please delete this worthless banter that these people are committing to ruin a perfectly good thread. There is an underlining question involved. They do not contribute to the resolution of the question, yet seek to destroy my points with an unintelligent demeanor.

This is injustice, to me, and to the few educated people with open minds that read this thread.

P.S. I didn't puke, but i hate a hell of a full body workout. Sweetness of Caffeine.

[HarmNone]

Not going to be deleting any posts, Testosterone. There appear to be some who do not find this to be a "perfectly good thread". I think those people have as much right to their opinions as you have to yours. :)

HarmNone, whose delete key has gone to sleep

[Sean]

If by worthless banter you mean my defending your right to have this thread as much as I disagree with you? Then by all means I'll go back and remove all my posts on the matter.

[Testosterone]

So, since you disagree with my views, and conclusion based on facts, you're going to try to ruin my thread like little children? You can't argue points, but go around talking about impertinent shit? Get a fucking life.

[Testosterone]

I mean this.


Originally posted by HarmNone
Latrinsorm, the Whomping Stick of Ultimate Doom is unsheathed and ready. You will not enjoy meeting it up close and personal. :D

HarmNone, has whomping stick, will whomp (and is liking this thread much better since it has veered totally off topic!)

[Pierat]

Err Tijay, I wasnt questioning Harmnone's actions or when they happened, I was just asking if you were saying that they were allright :) I wasnt quite getting what you said is all and I was asking you to elloborate... Ive allready Thanked Harmnone for taking off the mindless ones that were just racist insults and had nothing to offer other then that

[Ravenstorm]

Originally posted by Testosterone
So, since you disagree with my views, and conclusion based on facts, you're going to try to ruin my thread like little children? You can't argue points, but go around talking about impertinent shit? Get a fucking life.

Why don't you just go away? Seriously. Your 'facts' would be laughable if they weren't so pathetic. Your so called 'expert' Leuchter was a fraud. He was no chemist. He was no engineer. He was nothing. He was a pathetic little bigot who was a good liar. Right up to the day he got caught at it and got charged with fraud.

Tell you what. I'll find a dog catcher to testify that you're not really a homosapien but are instead just a mutated form of jellyfish who has learned to type but whose brain capacity is still that of a normal jellyfish. Both 'experts' in their field have the same credibility. Though I suspect the conclusions of mine would be closer to actual truth.

But you ignore the FACT that your expert was a total fraud every time it's mentioned. So don't come here talking about facts. Go away and bend over for your other white supremacist buddies. I'm sure they'll like the way you parrot their party line and will be happy to reward you by making your their bitch.

Raven

[HarmNone]

Nope, Testosterone. I will not delete my post. Personally, I find this thread much more enjoyable when I can joke with our regular posters than when I must read your interminable hate-spewing diatribes. When I said I was enjoying the thread more when it left the topic behind, I meant EXACTLY what I said, and I am not about to withdraw it.

HarmNone ain't budgin'

[Sean]

Actually, I'm gonna step out of this thread because its just spinning wheels. Everytime someones makes an attempt to disprove you testosterone you come back with the same arguements from the same person who they feel they have discredited. If you can find an alternate source for your "facts" then this might be interesting. Otherwise it's just the same thing over and over.

On another note my thoughts on this thread and why it should be exist I'll be taking to u2u's. So Pierat you have a u2u. And Galleazzo if you feel the need to debate the difference between this thread and the one you proposed feel free to u2u me as well.

[Testosterone]

Originally posted by Ravenstorm

Originally posted by Testosterone
So, since you disagree with my views, and conclusion based on facts, you're going to try to ruin my thread like little children? You can't argue points, but go around talking about impertinent shit? Get a fucking life.

Why don't you just go away? Seriously. Your 'facts' would be laughable if they weren't so pathetic. Your so called 'expert' Leuchter was a fraud. He was no chemist. He was no engineer. He was nothing. He was a pathetic little bigot who was a good liar. Right up to the day he got caught at it and got charged with fraud.

Tell you what. I'll find a dog catcher to testify that you're not really a homosapien but are instead just a mutated form of jellyfish who has learned to type but whose brain capacity is still that of a normal jellyfish. Both 'experts' in their field have the same credibility. Though I suspect the conclusions of mine would be closer to actual truth.

But you ignore the FACT that your expert was a total fraud every time it's mentioned. So don't come here talking about facts. Go away and bend over for your other white supremacist buddies. I'm sure they'll like the way you parrot their party line and will be happy to reward you by making your their bitch.

Raven

I’m sorry you cannot see past your own ignorance. Leuchters data collaborated scientific data that was taken by the Polish government. Leuchter was an expert in execution design, and worked for many states in the continental United States on creating electric, gas, and intravenous injection execution facilities. If this does not make him an expert, I’m sure you could clarify things, and bring your expertise to the table.

You can’t accept the facts. Leuchter opened his investigation of Auschwitz, Birkenau and Majdanek to scientific scrutiny. He challenged the scientific community to review his opinion, based on facts, and to try to disprove it. Sadly enough and many failed attempts later, the evidence still holds.

You cannot objectively look at the facts, and question what you have been taught by authority. Either you have personal motive behind it, or are inable, due to lack of intelligence able to separate yourself from your past thinking. I would think you have a personal motive behind this.

Call Leuchter a Nazi all you want. You attacks don’t prove anything, and you cannot refute the overwhelming evidence that there were no gas chambers, and that 6 million jews did not die. Maybe it will make you feel better to keep thinking as a robot, how you were taught.

[Ravenstorm]

:pats Testy on the head then turns to the grown ups.

"So Harmnone, I have this theory that some people choose a screen name to make up for a lack in their lives. Similar to the size of a gun being inversely proportional to the owner's penis size. What do you think? And Tijay... duuuuuuude. Toss those dreadlocks back out of your face and smile for the camera.

Raven

[HarmNone]

I could not possibly agree more, Raven! As I look around, it appears this particular mouthy little tyke has managed to bore even himself to sleep! :clap:

HarmNone, who was beginning to be bored senseless with Testy's drivel

[Tsa`ah]

Originally posted by Testosterone
Zyklon B must be heated to become a gas. Below 26 degrees celsius, the HCN will not separate from the carrier. During the many months of winter, where this supposed executions were taking place, the whole facility at “Auschwitz” would need to be heated to allow the gas to be evenly distributed in the “gas chamber.” This poses a problem. There were no heating vents in Auschwitz or any of the other supposed “execution” chamber.

If you view the complexity of gas chamber designs in the USA, this is not a problem. They have heating systems, ventilations systems, are air sealed, and are welded and riveted steel construction. They are top notch facilities. This cannot be said for the “gas chamber.”

Secondly, cyanide was not found by Leuchter at any of the samples he conducted from the “gas chamber.” The second Polish investigating team found 1 sample out of 8 that had “trace” signs of cyanide, at a concentration of .01 mg/kg. This is even below the minimum value that was able to be tested for in the Lab Leuchter used to conduct his analysis. This was the ONLY sample ever taken from ANY gas chamber that showed ANY signs of Cyanide, and it was at “trace” levels. The same cannot be said for the delousing chambers in the facilities at Auschwitz, where all samples had shown over 100 times greater concentration of Cyanide.

From where exactly are you pulling your references? Every medical and chemical reference I have checked and cross checked has the boiling point of hydrocyanic acid at 73 F. Heating was not required. Zyklon B requires no heating at all in moderate climates to release hydrocyanic acid, it reacts to the air.

If they attempted to heat the material above body temperature it would become explosive.
I'm guessing you have no practical experience with any sort of chemistry.

Additionaly your claim over the findings of cyanide are a little bewildering. Most, if not all of my reading indicates large quantities of cyanide, even the polish findings. What is your source for this and is it credible. By credible I mean, does it come from a scientific journal and not from the sources you have referenced so far?


The lie of “Crematoriums”

Of equal importance are Exterminationist errors relating to the crematories. If these crematories, operated at a theoretical rate of maximum output per day, without any down time and at a constant pace (an impossible situation), and we accept the figure of at least six million executed, the Third Reich lasted for at least forty-two (42) years, since it would take thirty-five (35) years at an impossible minimum to cremate these six million souls.
No one by any stretch of the imagination would allege (or even believe) that the Third Reich ever lasted for seventy-five (75) or even forty-two (42) years, yet they would have us believe that six million souls were executed with equipment that could not possibly have functioned, in less than one-seventh of the absolute minimum time it could possibly have taken.

What a simple little mind you have. Why exactly would the Nazi's be concerned about recovering ashes? Why utilize the slow process of cremation?

Simple, they did not. Replace cremate with incinerate and now your time line gets shot to hell.

Additionally you should reference the pages you are googling, even if you are slightly rephrasing. Some interesting, yet small minded, views out there.

Let me ask you, is all this hatred and self imposed ignorance all over the Jewish boy taking the girl you wanted to date to prom?

[Edited on 3-27-2004 by Tsa`ah]

[HarmNone]

Hmm. Come to think of it, Tsa`ah, if you cram enough warm, living bodies into a room, the ambient temperature will rise, eh? Not too difficult to reach the proper temperature for releasing that hydrocyanic acid under those circumstances, even in the midst of winter, is it? I am no chemist either, but it seem logical to me. :shrug:

HarmNone

[Galleazzo]

Tijay, you want an answer, it's simple.

The word "faggot" is out of bounds because it's offensive and hateful to homosexuals. Likewise other racial slurs. That's okay.

Only a word is out of bounds because it's offensive but the REASONS they're offensive are okay, you're being blind and stupid. I say "Boy, I knew some decent kikes when I was a kid," and that post gets nailed, but I say, like Testy is, that Jews are the enemies of the white race and that it's okay to exterminate Jews in the upcoming race war, and you're down with that? That is fucking bent.

[Sean]

I don't want an answer. You asked the question I gave you an answer you just didn't like it. I told you if you wanna talk to me about it further take it to my u2u's this isn't the place.

[Summertime]

Fred Leuchter

Rothe sells the "Leuchter report" in his store, a book purporting to be an engineer's refutation of the existence of gas chambers in Poland. (David Irving also uses Leuchter's report to support his claims.) What Rothe will not tell you, however, is that Fred Leuchter is not an engineer. Rothe also won't tell you that, according to the Boston Globe, Leuchter admitted to illegally collecting 20 pounds of building and soil samples in Poland, and that Leuchter's "analysis" has been thoroughly rebutted in a report by French pharmacist Jean-Claude Pressac. Pressac "noted that Leuchter never looked at documents in the Auschwitz Museum, and failed to study German blueprints of the gas chambers."

Leuchter is a self-described expert in the construction of execution machines. With his false credentials, he convinced authorities in several states in the U. S. to let him construct execution machinery for their prisons. But in 1990, according to the New York Times, his misrepresentations began to unravel.

The Attorney General of Alabama questioned his expertise. Illinois terminated his contract after determining that his machine for injecting cyanide would cause prisoners unnecessary pain.

Then, in October 1990, Leuchter was charged with fraud in Massachusetts. It was revealed that he had only a bachelor's degree in history, and was not licensed to practice engineering in Massachusetts. In June 1991, to avoid a trial in which he would surely have been convicted, Leuchter admitted that, "I am not and have never been registered as a professional engineer", and that he had falsely represented himself as one. Under the consent agreement, Leuchter agreed to stop "using in any manner whatsoever the title "engineer", and to stop distribution of the Leuchter report. Despite the agreement, one can still obtain copies of the report from Rothe's store in Kitchener.

According to the Boston Globe, Leuchter was deported from Britain in 1991. Leonard Zakim, a spokesperson for the Anti-Defamation League of B'nai Brith, said, "Leuchter's admissions of lying to promote his business in violation of Massachusetts law should serve to discredit Leuchter wherever he travels."


click the link below for info

Leuchter a fraud and a liar (http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/s/shallit-jeffrey/sr-leuchter.html)

[Sean]

While I'm willing to put money on you discounting these because you'll establish them as part of some vast on going conspiracy here are 2 links that I found interesting:

Article on Leuchter and Rudolf (http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/chemistry/blue/)

Article on "The Chemistry of Auschwitz" (http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/chemistry/index.shtml)

[Edited on 3-28-2004 by Tijay]

[Edaarin]

LMAO, a bachelor's degree in history? Congratulations, you spent tens of thousands of dollars to be qualified to...teach history. And even then, you don't even have a teaching license. Brilliant.

[Skirmisher]

Originally posted by Edaarin
LMAO, a bachelor's degree in history? Congratulations, you spent tens of thousands of dollars to be qualified to...teach history. And even then, you don't even have a teaching license. Brilliant.

And clearly he didn't even learn his history as he is of all things a Holocaust revisionist.:duh:

[Galleazzo]

Damn straight I don't like the answer, because you're shuckin' us, guy. The honest answer is "We have this knee jerk rule we're applying to the technical letter without wondering why it's there."

Posts about how cool it is to exterminate the Jews, that's okay. A post with the word k-i-k-e, that's not okay. Don't even try; it's indefensible, 'kay?

[Sean]

How many times do you have to be asked to take something to u2u's or put it where it belongs before it kicks in. Stop being dense. The post about how "cool" it is to exterminate jews was edited retroactively when it was brought to our attention. THIS THREAD IS NOT ABOUT WHETHER ITS COOL OR NOT. Hes not saying the Nazi's didn't kill Jew's he even admits that they did. Theres a debatable series of arguements hes presenting. Your analogies and what if situations are not the same as what you are comparing them to. Get over it or if you refuse to get over it atleast take it to where it belongs.

[Edited on 3-29-2004 by Tijay]

[Galleazzo]

YOU think they're not the same. If you're gonna be a mod, be a mod. If you're gonna play private poster and let your personal opinions run wild, take off the mod hat. You want to send me U2Us, hey, go nuts, I ain't stopping you.

Now you can delete my posts, and I can't stop you, but you can't make me think that whether a topic violates policy or not got nothing to do with the topic.

[Ylena]

Originally posted by Tijay
Stop being dense. The post about how "cool" it is to exterminate jews was edited retroactively when it was brought to our attention. THIS THREAD IS NOT ABOUT WHETHER ITS COOL OR NOT. Hes not saying the Nazi's didn't kill Jew's he even admits that they did. Theres a debatable series of arguements hes presenting.

I'm somewhat surprised that you're maintaining that the Holocaust didn't happen is a debatable argument. There's no debate going on here, at all. The original poster is not willing to acknowledge any of the contradictory information as factual.

Let me ask this... If I put up a thread where I advocate the "debatable" position that Brandon Teena and Matthew Shepard committed suicide, but the gay community made them look like murders in order to promote their political agenda -- would that stay up, too?

[Tsa`ah]

That depends on the context of the post Ylena, and you know it.

The use of derogatory terms pertaining to race, sexuality, religion and so on are not needed.

You could post such a thread to kick off a debate and likely it would be left alone just to show that there indeed no limit to ignorance and stupidity. Much like this thread.

The ignorance in this thread hits rather close to home with me. Being of survivor descent, I find it extremely insulting when I hear it suggested or just flat out stated that the Holocaust never happened. As a member and mod on these forums I am not about to start deleting and editing threads like or similar to this one.

Think of it as a PSA to inform everyone else as to whom the people are that are racist, gay bashing, slack jawed, booger eating, in-bred people under white sheets.

Additionally how counter productive do you think it would be to delete these posts automatically? While I understand your concern with leaving these threads up, what do you think the outcry would be if we pulled them down? To give you an idea, go read "Forum concerns and requests".

No, taking these types of posts down isn't fun at all to begin with. These people bring in facts that they can't supports and the thinking/researching folks of the forum are pretty quick to point out what is bogus.

[Galleazzo]

In which case if derogatory threads are okay, derogatory posts and words should be.

[Skirmisher]

Originally posted by Galleazzo
In which case if derogatory threads are okay, derogatory posts and words should be.

You need to let this go.

It may actually help some people who after hearing some revisionist propoganda are wondering if they may be right to see just how stupid it is.

The mods do not by and large allow simple insults and racial epithets and Testosterone has often seemed like a waste of good opxygen, but if he is at least attempting to show his reasons for feeling the way he does about a particular subject then an open debate can only be a good thing.

[HarmNone]

Because of the volatile nature of subjects like genocide, religion, sexual choices, and other such fodder for discussion/debate, questions like those being raised here always arise.

Personally, I see it this way: I can have a conversation with someone who holds a different view than I without too much difficulty. However, if we are talking about a touchy subject, the conversation will not go nearly as well if we use inflammatory terms in our discussion.

For instance, if we are having a serious discussion about the "right to die", one of us being for euthanasia and the other against, using terms like "deader", "croaked", "chicken-shit coward", "murdering doctor", "religious idiot", etc. will not add meaning to the discussion. They will simply derail it, turning it from a discussion/debate to an argument.

When something like this comes up, the PC staff walks a fine line between censorship and moderation. Add to that the fact that there are always those who, if allowed, will pepper all their posts with racial, sexual, or other insults just as a matter of course. I really do not see that any of us wants to see that. It has been seen in the past, and it was not enjoyed by many.

That said, if you really have problems with the way things are being handled in this regard, you need to bring it to the attention of the Administrators of the forum, using the proper topic to do so: Forum Concerns and Requests.

From my point of view, I detest this thread. I detest the hateful, blind-eyed idiocy that has been posted here by Testosterone. However, I recognize that people ARE allowed to hold a different opinion than I hold, regardless of how hopelessly ignorant I might find that opinion to be, and regardless of whether or not their opinion is out of step with the majority of people.

While we have guidelines as to certain insulting words or phrases that are not allowed on these boards we do not, as a general rule, censor entire trains of thought, or threads pertaining to inflammatory subjects. If you have issues with the way we moderate, those issues should be taken to the proper forum for discussion. Many people are probably skipping this thread on principle. I would if I could. :)

HarmNone

[imported_Kranar]

Let's take discussion of policy issues and what's appropriate and not to the appropriate forum: Forum Concerns and Requests.

[Testosterone]

If anyone was interested I made this reply to a question about my usage of the word "Death camps."

“I didn't think any of the German camps were death camps per se, although many of them turned out that way due to diseases etc. i.e. no gas chambers. You know otherwise?”

Yeah, my bad, too much propaganda. I should have known better. In my opinion the German camps were just facilities to hold the Jews until they were later to be deported on a remote island or potentially murdered. We have to be realistic. Do we think Hitler wanted the Jew alive? I sure don’t.

Definitely no gas chambers. The evidence is just too great to even consider them. What I do think is that after Jews declared war on Germany, Hitler was like hell with these pieces of shit I’m not going to feed them when I could be feeding the volk auf Deutschland.
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Yes, the Jews declared war on Germany. You kill your enemy, you don’t spare him. I also read some interesting revisionist things by Irving on how Hitler was not behind crystal night, nor was he the mastermind behind deportation of Jews. It was Geobbels. The Jews began assassinating German officials after the Nazi party took power. When Geobbels heard of the assassination of a German diplomat it angered him so much that in few minutes phones started ringing of SA officers to destroy Jewish property. This was all without the acknowledgement or approval of Hitler. I don’t think Hitler ever forgave Geobbels for this betrayal, but as you know, Geobbels was loyal to the Fuhrer until the last day of the Reich, taking his life and the life of his wife and Aryan children. He was also given complete control of the Army by the Fuhrer.


The key event in this whole story was, of course, the "Crystal Night" ("Kristallnacht"), or "Night of Broken Glass" in 1938. Here the Goebbels diary must be treated with the utmost caution. It began on November 7, 1938, with the assassination of a German diplomat in Paris by a Polish Jew, Herschel Grynszpan. News of the shooting triggered a number of small scale anti-Jewish outbreaks all over Germany, which Goebbels noted in his diary without at first paying any special attention to them. However, when news reached him of the young diplomat's death, two days later, it truly outraged him. It came while he was with Hitler at a meeting in Munich, commemorating the annual Nazi party anniversary of the failed "Beer Hall Putsch" of November 9, 1923.

After Hitler had left the meeting, Goebbels came to the podium to announce the death of the German diplomat. He also reported to the assembled Gauleiters on the anti-Jewish incidents that had already broken out, describing them as manifestations of a "spontaneous" public outrage. Goebbels said, in effect: "A Jew has fired a shot. A German has died. Obviously our people will be outraged about this. This is not the time to rein in that outrage." We have two or three independent sources for what he said that evening, including the report by the British consul in Munich, who very quickly learned of the speech and reported it to London. This report is now in the British archives.

Describing the evening's events, Goebbels writes in his diary that, after his brief speech: "Everyone makes a beeline for the telephones." He adds: "Now the public will take action." An interesting turn of phrase, he creates an image of men in brown uniforms and swastika arm bands reaching out to telephones to relay orders all over Germany.

The orders were that the Aktion (operation) was to be carried out by SA men in plain clothes, and the police were not to intervene. There was to be no bloodshed and no harm done to anyone unless, of course, Jews offered armed resistance, in which case they should expect short shrift. "There is to be no looting," stormtroopers in Kiel were told. "Nobody is to be roughed up. Foreign Jews are not to be touched. Meet any resistance with firearms. The Aktion is to be carried out in plain clothes and must be finished by five a.m."

The result was the Night of Broken Glass, one of Germany's darkest nights. Hundreds if not thousands of Jewish shops were destroyed. About 150 synagogues were burned to the ground, including six or seven in Berlin. The following morning the news was that 38 Jews had been murdered. On Hitler's orders, 20,000 Jews were rounded up and temporarily held in concentration camps.

After the overnight reports had come in, Goebbels sums up the object of the exercise in a heartless, unrepentant diary entry: "As was to be expected, the entire nation is in uproar. This is one dead man who is costing the Jews dear. Our darling Jews will think twice in future before simply gunning down German diplomats."

In the archives I found a document dated the next day, November 10, which shows quite clearly that some kind of order had actually been issued. That morning Goebbels sent the following message to all 42 Nazi party propaganda officials (Gaupropagandaleiter) at the provincial level: "The anti-Jewish Aktionen [operations] must now be called off with the same rapidity with which they were launched. They have served their desired and anticipated purpose." These are the key lines in this document, I think, because they do imply that an order had been issued the day before. We don't have that earlier document, but references to it were made during the postwar interrogation of one or two of the Gauleiters, and there's also a hint in his diary that he had given certain orders the previous day.


This is Irvings analysis of Geobbels diary. http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v15/v15n1p-2_Irving.html



[Edited on 6-7-2005 by HarmNone]

[Drew]

wow

[Galleazzo]

Why the fuck is this guy still allowed to post?

If I got on and said "KILL ALL <offensive word for gays>" or "THE <offensive word for blacks> DESERVE TO DIE" then I'd have my ass banned.

What in the hell makes it okay for this piece of trash to talk about Jewish folk like that?

[HarmNone]

Those of you who have been offended might have achieved a more expedient edit of the offending post had you Reported said post.

[Wezas]

What if we're offended by the 15 month old bump?

[HarmNone]

Heh. Join the crowd, Wezas. :D

[StrayRogue]

Originally posted by Galleazzo
Why the fuck is this guy still allowed to post?



I guess probably the same reason as to why Simu allows retards to be hosts.

Probably more than 6 millions Jews died, that's not counting non-Jewish Russians, gays, gypsies, the handicapped, etc.

[Ebondale]

Originally posted by Wezas
What if we're offended by the 15 month old bump?

Heh... thats the worse offense one can make around here. :P Better hope peam and Bob don't see it. :lol:

[HarmNone]

Originally posted by Ebondale

Originally posted by Wezas
What if we're offended by the 15 month old bump?

Heh... thats the worse offense one can make around here. :P Better hope peam and Bob don't see it. :lol:

Heh. It might be, to some, Ebondale. However, it ain't against TOS to bump old threads. ;)

[Ebondale]

Originally posted by HarmNone

Originally posted by Ebondale

Originally posted by Wezas
What if we're offended by the 15 month old bump?

Heh... thats the worse offense one can make around here. :P Better hope peam and Bob don't see it. :lol:

Heh. It might be, to some, Ebondale. However, it ain't against TOS to bump old threads. ;)

Lucky me, eh? ;)

[Skirmisher]

Originally posted by Galleazzo
Why the fuck is this guy still allowed to post?

If I got on and said "KILL ALL <offensive word for gays>" or "THE <offensive word for blacks> DESERVE TO DIE" then I'd have my ass banned.

What in the hell makes it okay for this piece of trash to talk about Jewish folk like that?

He and the IHR are a sad pathetic joke, he knows it and he knows we all know it.

Maybe you think it's some 'conspiracy". Get off it already and either use the existing report features and/or u2u the mods/admins. Please leave the unneeded drama at home or try some decaf cause you are way too wound up.

[StrayRogue]

Ignore him Skirm. Bevan's had his cock up his own ass for years now.

[Warriorbird]

Obsessed, much?

[Apotheosis]

locking this thread might be one solution..

OK now, EVERYONE GO OFF TOPIC!

[DeV]

"If everybody carried a sawed off shotgun, there'd be a lot less crime."

[Amber]

Originally posted by Testosterone Yes, the Jews declared war on Germany. You kill your enemy, you don’t spare him.


Right, and of course, the mentally ill, gypsies, homosexuals, and Jehovah's Witnesses also declared war on Germany. :rolleyes:

I think this is a subject you may need to research a bit more with an objective mind. Right now, it appears as if you're looking for evidence to support your views and rejecting anything that doesn't agree. Yes, there are a few sources that perpetuate the myths that you espouse, but many, many more that refute them.

Pay a visit to the Holocaust Museum in DC, or visit Dachau or one of the other camps. Look at photos of the mass graves, crematoriums, and camps. Read, read, read....and then be adult enough to make an informed decision based upon your own research, rather than parroting what you've heard from brain-washing anti-semite groups.

OMFG!

- Arkans

[4a6c1]

*giggle giggle*

Life is fun.

(Stalin was hotter.)

[Chelle]

:deadhorse:

[Testosterone]

Originally posted by Amber

Originally posted by Testosterone Yes, the Jews declared war on Germany. You kill your enemy, you don’t spare him.


Right, and of course, the mentally ill, gypsies, homosexuals, and Jehovah's Witnesses also declared war on Germany. :rolleyes:

I think this is a subject you may need to research a bit more with an objective mind. Right now, it appears as if you're looking for evidence to support your views and rejecting anything that doesn't agree. Yes, there are a few sources that perpetuate the myths that you espouse, but many, many more that refute them.

Pay a visit to the Holocaust Museum in DC, or visit Dachau or one of the other camps. Look at photos of the mass graves, crematoriums, and camps. Read, read, read....and then be adult enough to make an informed decision based upon your own research, rather than parroting what you've heard from brain-washing anti-semite groups.
Jews declared war on Nazi Germany long before the supposed "gas executions" took place.

Secondly, I think YOU need to research more on the subject. It's either that or you need to grow some new neurons in your brain. Your dendrites are obviously lacking any stimulation by synaptic neurotransmitters in your brain.

What do mass graves prove? Nothing! They do not prove gas chambers, gas executions or 6 million people dead. They prove that barbaric SA troops killed Jews on the Eastern front. This I already agree with.

Secondly, if you can read, there is dispute about who in the Reich was behind the persecution of the jews. Irving seems to believe that it was Geobbels. Geobbels had bad experiences with jews in real life. One of his girlfriends left him who was jewish and other things happened to him to distrust them. Hitler used the Jude as a scapegoat to gain political power in Germany.

Does anyone really believe that Germany, fighting a war against the rest of the world had resources to carry out mass executions of Jews using Hydrogen cyanide.

Hydrogen cyanide is a very DANGEROUS gas to use. It is flammable, liquid at room temperature, and needs to be heated to change phase into a gas.

What is there to see in Dachau? All of the supposed facilities were "destroyed" by the Russians when they swept through Eastern Europe. The plaque of Auschwitz used to read "4 million dead people," later revised to "1 million dead." I still don't believe it. More like 100,000 dead by starvation. The ALLIES were cutting off supply lines to the eastern front with bombings. How could you expect the germans to feed their prisoners when they could not feed their own troops in the eastern front?

Funny how “crematoriums” dismiss the burden of proof needed to support 6 million dead people. If there’s ash which was blown by the wind, you don’t have to show bodies. Clever, don’t you think?

Your arguments and comments bring out your true stupidity. NEVER try to tell anyone they don't know about something when you really have no clue what you're talking about. To tell you the truth, no one knows. I certainly don't. The evidence that I see points to the fact that there were no gas chambers, Germans murdered a million jews on the eastern front and Geobbels was behind the mass execution of jews. These conclusions are supported by premises and empirical evidence.

[Keller]

I like toast.

Who else likes toast?

I like raisin bread w/ "I can't believe it's not butter." Thems da bombs, yo.

[Tsa`ah]

So long as our research is based on the findings of unqualified "pseudo" historians and anti-semitic revisionists.

Give it up. Each and every time you have tried to pass off a source, it has been blasted out of the water.

My advice to you would be the exact opposite I would give Klaive. Move back into your mother's basement and practice making tinfoil hats.

[Vesi]

Originally posted by Testosterone
Secondly, I think YOU need to research more on the subject. It's either that or you need to grow some new neurons in your brain. Your dendrites are obviously lacking any stimulation by synaptic neurotransmitters in your brain.

What do mass graves prove? Nothing! They do not prove gas chambers, gas executions or 6 million people dead. They prove that barbaric SA troops killed Jews on the Eastern front. This I already agree with.

Secondly, if you can read, there is dispute about who in the Reich was behind the persecution of the jews. Irving seems to believe that it was Geobbels. Geobbels had bad experiences with jews in real life. One of his girlfriends left him who was jewish and other things happened to him to distrust them. Hitler used the Jude as a scapegoat to gain political power in Germany.

blah, blah, blah. <snip>



You said secondly twice with no firstly. Then implied the other person might not be able to read. <laughs at you>

Now, go away. Really.

Vesi

[Edited on 6-8-2005 by Vesi]

[Testosterone]

Originally posted by Vesi

Originally posted by Testosterone
Secondly, I think YOU need to research more on the subject. It's either that or you need to grow some new neurons in your brain. Your dendrites are obviously lacking any stimulation by synaptic neurotransmitters in your brain.

What do mass graves prove? Nothing! They do not prove gas chambers, gas executions or 6 million people dead. They prove that barbaric SA troops killed Jews on the Eastern front. This I already agree with.

Secondly, if you can read, there is dispute about who in the Reich was behind the persecution of the jews. Irving seems to believe that it was Geobbels. Geobbels had bad experiences with jews in real life. One of his girlfriends left him who was jewish and other things happened to him to distrust them. Hitler used the Jude as a scapegoat to gain political power in Germany.

blah, blah, blah. <snip>



You said secondly twice with no firstly. Then implied the other person might not be able to read. <laughs at you>

Now, go away. Really.

Vesi

[Edited on 6-8-2005 by Vesi]
You're really clever. I wish I was too. Can you give me your autograph?

PM me. Thanks. Maybe we can chat for a few minutes, alone, just the two of us.

[Testosterone]

Originally posted by Tsa`ah
So long as our research is based on the findings of unqualified "pseudo" historians and anti-semitic revisionists.

Give it up. Each and every time you have tried to pass off a source, it has been blasted out of the water.

My advice to you would be the exact opposite I would give Klaive. Move back into your mother's basement and practice making tinfoil hats.
Oops.. I forgot.

Premise > Inference > Conclusion.

Your grandparents are "holocaust survivors" therefore you are an expert on the "holocaust" and 6 million jews were killed. A typical fallacy. Nice try. I, myself, thought you could do better.

[Edited on 6-8-2005 by HarmNone]

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by Keller
Who else likes toast? I butter both sides. That's the way I roll.

If Tsa`ah is a boy, that makes Test about 60, right? It's all starting to come together.

[xtc]

This is bound to become an interesting thread.

[CrystalTears]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/games/auschwitz_map/index.shtml

Flash tour of the premises of Auschwitz, along with historical references. Don't want to believe any of that, that it was all fabricated, more power to you. At least read other things than your own propaganda.

BTW, buttered toast tastes SO good after smoking a fat doobie. :D

[Edited on 6/8/2005 by CrystalTears]

[Testosterone]

Originally posted by CrystalTears
http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/games/auschwitz_map/index.shtml

Flash tour of the premises of Auschwitz, along with historical references. Don't want to believe any of that, that it was all fabricated, more power to you. At least read other things than your own propaganda.

BTW, buttered toast tastes SO good after smoking a fat doobie. :D

[Edited on 6/8/2005 by CrystalTears]
http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/games/auschwitz_map/index.shtml

Flash tour of the premises of Auschwitz, along with historical references. Don't want to believe any of that, that it was all fabricated, more power to you. At least read other things than your own propaganda.

BTW, buttered toast tastes SO good after smoking a fat doobie. :D

[Edited on 6/8/2005 by CrystalTears]
If your brain is the size of drosophila melanogaster please do not respond. Spare my life some precious time. Thank you all.

I think you're the one who does not want to believe the propaganda you've been fed your whole life. To change your mind you must be willing to separate yourself from what you think is reality. Sadly, most people cannot achieve this. They are either genetically defective and lack an appreciably amount of intelligence or are just oblivious and are living a life mired in mediocrity.

So please tell me what you learned from your link. I will address each issue one at a time if you are willing to prove to me you actually read something instead of googling "holocaust" and copying a link.

Sweet dreams.

[Chelle]

What's really da bomb is warmed up banana nut bread with butter and honey. Though you have to use a fork to eat it because that honey is messy. Then again its fun to get messy. Finger licken good!

I dunno.

If you spat that anywhere where I live, I mean, like, even in front of the 46th precinct right next to McDonalds, in broad daylight, armed with twin glocks, with machetes attached to them, with rocket launchers attached to the machetes attached to the glocks, wearing bullet proof everything... You'd still get your face broken, like, before you even finished the fourth or sixth word you said.

[Chelle]

You don't spit it. I said lick it.

The honey off the fingers.

Gah what a grouch!


[Edited on 6-8-2005 by Chelle]

Nah I meant the nazi (not Arkans)

Everyone knows I love your cooch

[Chelle]

Uhm...


omg.

That was so sexually inappropriate

[Warriorbird]

I'm sure you're really rallying the cause of Nazism everywhere, Tes. They were so very wronged! Least my occassional patent denial of reality (Bush not winning the 2000 election) isn't grossly offensive or in poor taste in mixed company or something I'm only willing to front on the Internet. Ben, as reprehensible as I find him, isn't an "Internet thug."

[Vesi]

Originally posted by Testosterone
Can you give me your autograph?

PM me. Thanks. Maybe we can chat for a few minutes, alone, just the two of us.

Sure. I'm asked for it all the time. Send me your address. Or, better yet, just post it here.

Sorry, no personal chats. If I did that, I wouldn't have time for all my fans. (you can still have the autograph though)


Are you related to Tabor? Wait, I know! You can post your 'Aryan Nations R Us' membership card.

Vesi who likes her toast with peanut butter all melty-like.

[Vesi]

Originally posted by Tsa`ah
So long as our research is based on the findings of unqualified "pseudo" historians and anti-semitic revisionists.

Give it up. Each and every time you have tried to pass off a source, it has been blasted out of the water.

My advice to you would be the exact opposite I would give Klaive. Move back into your mother's basement and practice making tinfoil hats.

I just love Tsa`ah.

[Ebondale]

BTW, buttered toast tastes SO good after smoking a fat doobie.

:lol: What are you, 60? Who the fuck says doobie? Seriously....

[Keller]

THIS THREAD IS ABOUT TOAST STOP DISCUSSING FAN-BOYS CRACKPIPE THEORYS.

That is all.

[Keller]

By the way ...

My wife bought a new can of preserves at the market yesterday.

They are delightful!

[SpunGirl]

Can? I thought preserves came in a jar.

-K

[Keller]

Ahhhh, attention to detail!

Very good young Jedi!

[Testosterone]

Originally posted by Vesi

Originally posted by Testosterone
Can you give me your autograph?

PM me. Thanks. Maybe we can chat for a few minutes, alone, just the two of us.

Sure. I'm asked for it all the time. Send me your address. Or, better yet, just post it here.

Sorry, no personal chats. If I did that, I wouldn't have time for all my fans. (you can still have the autograph though)


Are you related to Tabor? Wait, I know! You can post your 'Aryan Nations R Us' membership card.

Vesi who likes her toast with peanut butter all melty-like.
Nice try? I don't really know what to say. Are you saying you'd like to settle things outside the internet and in real life?

Let me put it bluntly to you. I would destroy you and whatever puny gemstone playing geek friends you have. That being said, me bragging on how I could destroy an online person is really lame. I'll stop now.

[Keller]

Does anyone else listen to Bob and Tom in the mornings?

They have a song about toast.


I like that song.

I think toast is far superior to other morning bread-type options.

I used to like english muffins.

But now I think I like toast.

How about you?

[Testosterone]

Originally posted by Keller
Does anyone else listen to Bob and Tom in the mornings?

They have a song about toast.


I like that song.

I think toast is far superior to other morning bread-type options.

I used to like english muffins.

But now I think I like toast.

How about you?
Keller, that PM was sooo sweet. I'll have to take you up on that dinner offer some day. You're such a cutie!

:blush:

Thanks!

BTW - I was here before you.

[Keller]

:offtopic:

[Nieninque]

Originally posted by Testosterone

Let me put it bluntly to you. I would destroy you and whatever puny gemstone playing geek friends you have. That being said, me bragging on how I could destroy an online person is really lame.

No more lame than anything else you have ever posted here...but lame it is.


I'll stop now.

That would be just lovely :yes:

[Edited on 8-6-05 by Nieninque]

[Vesi]

Originally posted by Testosterone

Originally posted by Vesi

Originally posted by Testosterone
Can you give me your autograph?

PM me. Thanks. Maybe we can chat for a few minutes, alone, just the two of us.

Sure. I'm asked for it all the time. Send me your address. Or, better yet, just post it here.

Sorry, no personal chats. If I did that, I wouldn't have time for all my fans. (you can still have the autograph though)


Are you related to Tabor? Wait, I know! You can post your 'Aryan Nations R Us' membership card.

Vesi who likes her toast with peanut butter all melty-like.
Nice try? I don't really know what to say. Are you saying you'd like to settle things outside the internet and in real life?

Let me put it bluntly to you. I would destroy you and whatever puny gemstone playing geek friends you have. That being said, me bragging on how I could destroy an online person is really lame. I'll stop now.

Aww ... I think I hit a nerve. I'm so sorry. You can Google help for yourself on the internet. Good luck and best wishes! (addy for google since you might not know... www.google.com)

[xtc]

threats on the internet, this thread has gone from bad to worse. How did a discussion of toast end up in the middle of a Holocaust thread?

[CrystalTears]

Because toast makes more sense than the crap Testosteronee (the real San Francisco treat) is saying right now.

[HarmNone]

Heh. While I might agree with the sentiment, folks, the fact is that the subject of this thread is NOT toast. Let's either stay on topic or ignore the living hell out of this thread, eh?