Do you own a gun?

Do you own one?
If so what kind?

[StrayRogue]

No, as I do not wish to add to the destruction of my own kind. Or go to prison.

[SpunGirl]

Two.

A glock 9mm from my Dad and my mom's old service revolver from when she was on the road for AZDPS.

I used to have a shtogun but I got rid of it, I didn't enjoy shooting it.

-K

In america that is since it is now illegial

[StrayRogue]

I think I shall start a new thread: Have you seen Bowling for Columbine?

see now thats a woman!

Michale Mires is posts a politicly slanted protrayl of gun ownership in america
a one sided move is not the answer to why one should or should not be allowed to own a gun

[Xcalibur]

Illegal here beside if you have a license, which is a pain to have.

p.s.

If I had a license, get a job that allowed a gun or the law changes, I'm getting those babies

[Betheny]

Originally posted by StrayRogue
I think I shall start a new thread: Have you seen Bowling for Columbine?

I like that movie, but I got flamed for it... because it struck home with me, and I was told I was touched by 'propaganda'... etc.

[Sean]

no

[Chelle]

I gotta 12-gauge shotgun. 9mm Beretta, and an old revolver. I love going to the firing range and am a natural aim. My first shot I hit the center of the bullseye, with the 9mm. My husband was highly impressed and said something to the effect of remind me to never piss you off. :lol:

I think it would be a good idea if they made it a manditory thing to take a gun safty class and pass a test or two before being able to purchase a gun. You would be required to show proper I.D plus a Gun School Safty graduation card.

[Edited on 12-8-2003 by Chelle]

[theotherjohn]

Originally posted by The Edine
Do you own one?
If so what kind?

Glock 23 40 (for when I am awake)

Mossberg 590A1(for when I am asleep)

[Weedmage Princess]

I don't own a gun, not now, atleast. I have, for a long time however.. been considering going for a firearm license though.

Do you have one, Edine?

[StrayRogue]

Originally posted by Maimara

Originally posted by StrayRogue
I think I shall start a new thread: Have you seen Bowling for Columbine?

I like that movie, but I got flamed for it... because it struck home with me, and I was told I was touched by 'propaganda'... etc.

Heh, the irony is its all true. The fucking idiots who booed him when he got his oscar would have made me buy a gun though.

[SpunGirl]

Originally posted by StrayRogue
I think I shall start a new thread: Have you seen Bowling for Columbine?

Then start another thread. This one was a simple question posed by Edine, and was not entitled, "Let's debate about gun ownership."

-K

[Betheny]

The movie, for me, really opened up a world I'd never even thought about before. Being from a suburban, sheltered life, and all. Slanted or no, it really made me think. And I think that the guy that made the movie deserved his Oscar. I don't thi nk the movie was made to straightforward put out certain thoughts, I think it was created and liked because it PROVOKED original thought.

[StrayRogue]

Please Maim, read his books. If you think that film opened your eyes....his books will blow your mind. Stupid White Men is a personal fave.

[Latrinsorm]

No, but I'll be getting a rifle of some kind once I, you know, get out of college and stop living with my parents. They frown on guns in both places.

I got my FOID card when i turned 18...
will be 21 soon and am looking into what kind of handgun to buy

[Ravenstorm]

I once thought about getting a gun. Considering the sheriff of the county I lived in was a family friend, I probably could have easily obtained a pistol permit.

Then I just asked myself if I really needed one and the answer was no. I don't. Chances are, neither do you. You certainly don't need an assault rifle.

Sounds like I'm in favor of gun control doesn't it. Yes.

If you're going to get a pistol though, get a 9mm. If you ever do actually NEED to use it, you'll want to actually kill the person. A .22 or .38 might not. As the saying goes, don't pull it unless you intend to use it and hopefully, if you intend to use it, you really need to.

But if you don't, you deserve to go to jail yourself.

Raven

for one to feel you dont need it and have a situation that presents itself that you do would lead to a great deal of regret

[Khaitiff]

I do have a few guns that are currently in my fathers possesion that have been passed down through the family. One is an old flint lock nice gun with a hell of a kickback. I dont keep em in the house with my son though and would only keep them for hunting purposes which I havent done in years.

[peam]

http://www.hardylaw.net/Truth_About_Bowling.html

There's a website that's just as skewed as Moore's 'documentary.'

I've a few rifles back home:

.410 single shot shotgun.
Marlin lever-action 30-30.
Remington Viper .22 semi-automatic.

Within a week of turning 21, I'll be applying for my concealed weapons permit.

i have a remington 12 gauge which i bought shortly after I turned 18

Ok here is the real low down on the situation
Have a friend who just got back from iraq offering to sell me his P220-45-ST for a very good price because his dad had bought a new p220 an had it customized for him that he is taking back
contemplating if I should take him up on his offer

[Betheny]

Guns scare me, because I have absolutely zero experience with them.

Never seen one up close (save for on a police officer's belt), never touched one, never seen one shot or heard one shot...

[Rastaman]

GUNS ARE BAD. BOO GUNS.

[Xcalibur]

Originally posted by The Edine
Ok here is the real low down on the situation
Have a friend who just got back from iraq offering to sell me his P220-45-ST for a very good price because his dad had bought a new p220 an had it customized for him that he is taking back
contemplating if I should take him up on his offer

All this thread just for that? heheheh

Specification
Value
Note


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Barrel Length
4.4"


Caliber
.45 ACP


Overall Length
7.8 inches


Overall Height
5.6 inches


Overall Width
1.4 inches


Sight Radius
6.3 inches


No. of Grooves
6


Weight w/o Mag
39.2 oz.


Sights
Combat style or SIGLITE Night Sights


Mag Weight
2.6 oz.


Trigger Pull DAO
10 lbs.
SA 4.5 lbs.

Mag Capacity
8 Rds.


hmmm

[peam]

Spoken like a true seven year old.

[Zeyrin]

I own a freakin' arsenal. I have 7 or 8 shot guns, 4 rifles, 4 pistols, a muzzle loaded pistol and a cross bow.

Some of the brands I own are:

Smith & Wesson
Winchester
Remminton
Mossburg (spelling?)
and several other brands I can't think of right now.

I have a sign coming up my drive way that says:

This House Is Protected By Smith & Wesson

[peam]

I've been drooling for a Mossberg Mariner shotgun for al ong time now. Solid, solid weapons. I think they're what the military, Navy for sure, uses shotgunwise.

Looks like the picture there X but its black not chrome

[Snapp]

Originally posted by Maimara
Guns scare me, because I have absolutely zero experience with them.

Never seen one up close (save for on a police officer's belt), never touched one, never seen one shot or heard one shot...

Ditto. I suddenly feel so sheltered. I didn't know so many people had guns.

well I was trying to get what others have so i have a idea nobody mentioned owning any Sigarm guns

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by peam
http://www.hardylaw.net/Truth_About_Bowling.html


I read the first two points. Moore should be shot in the kneecaps.

[Betheny]

Originally posted by Snapp

Ditto. I suddenly feel so sheltered. I didn't know so many people had guns.

Me either, but don't worry. We're safe in this closet...

look over at one of your two nextdoor neighbors if the odds are right one of them if not both own one

[GSLeloo]

I don't own a gun and I would never marry any man that would have a gun in our household. My children will not be raised with guns and I do not want them near me. I don't care when people say they need guns to protect themselves. I grew up my entire life without a single gun in our house and we don't even lock our doors half the time. I hate guns.

[Betheny]

I don't hate them or think they're wrong to own. Around children, YES. However, it isn't the guns I fear, it's the people that have them.

Guns are like drinking -- if you go about it the right way, if you're responsible with it, if you don't go overboard... then :thumbsup:. It's sad that the only stories I've ever really heard about gun ownership are horror stories.

the problem is you only hear the sad stories you never hear the good ones.

[Zeyrin]

I grew up around guns. My dad turned gunsmith after he retired and I get the pleasure of shooting some very high quality guns.

I am very comfortable with my abilities to use a gun. I understand those who haven't been around them do not feel the same way. I skeet shoot with a full choked 870 Wingmaster to make it interesting. My S&W .357 and my Colt .45 are fun to shoot jugs filled with water. It's the whole explosion thing.

[GSLeloo]

What good ones? Say someone broke into your home and you had your trusty gun and you shot them and you killed them... great you just became a murderer.

[peam]

As opposed to murdered... Riiiiight.

[SpunGirl]

Originally posted by GSLeloo
What good ones? Say someone broke into your home and you had your trusty gun and you shot them and you killed them... great you just became a murderer.

Why did they break into your home?

I'd be more likely to shoot to maim first, but if they were hurting anyone, or trying to - even if they kicked my cat - I'd shoot 'em.

Don't want to get shot? Don't break into people's houses.

-K

murder... The unlawful killing of one human by another, especially with premeditated malice.

Kill...
To put to death.
To deprive of life


subtle but important diffrences...

[Skirmisher]

I looked into getting a permit years ago but I found they took so long to be processed that I put it off and still am in a holding pattern about getting one.

The guns I was interested in purchasing were a small 9mm glock, a 357 smith&wesson and a 12 g mossberg shotgun.

The handguns were primarily for target shooting as I had a friend then who was really into that. He helped he pick out the pistols that seemed approriate and the shotgun was really just supposed to be an emergency weapon.

I am however still living with a basball bat as home defense at this point.

Go procrastination!:bouncy:

[peam]

Originally posted by SpunGirl


I'd be more likely to shoot to maim first, but if they were hurting anyone, or trying to - even if they kicked my cat - I'd shoot 'em.

-K

On a side note, if you shoot an intruder, shoot to kill. It makes for less civil lawsuits.

[Latrinsorm]

There are many stories such as this:

Guy busts into a store, owner busts out a shotgun, guy runs away.

Guy breaks into a house, you grab your Colt (buy American), guy runs away faster.

Guns only have one purpose: to kill. This does not mean that every instance in which a gun is used results in death.

[GSLeloo]

What if they just broke in to steal something? I don't know if I could live knowing I killed someone, no matter what the conditions.

[GuildRat]

Whether you believe in the 2nd amendment or not. Whether or not you own a firearm in the U.S.. Firearms have been and will always be a part of Americana.

Until the last cowboy kills the last bad guy, we'll always have firearms in the public's hand. Screw Brady and screw his demented wife and every politician that ever sought to have firearms banned from John Q. Public.

I personally own a Sig Sauer .357 P235 with optional .40 cal. barrel and a Remington model 700 .308 with a variable 4x-14x scope modeled on the M25.

Remember this...when guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns.

[Edited on 12-8-2003 by GuildRat]

I hope you will not let a car near your home either

41,200 deaths related to motor vehicle accidents,
16,600 in falls at home and on the job,
4,100 from water in drowning,
9,400 from poisoning, in the same year,
3,700 due to fire or burns,
3,200 due to choking, and
900 from guns
Note that the top category of vehicle accidents is 45 times greater than the bottom
category of guns. Should we outlaw cars, and ladders?

of for thoes of you that question my stats

Accidental Deaths in the U.S. for 1998

Source is the National Safety Council

what say you guildrat $200 to pickup the p220-45-st

[HarmNone]

No.

HarmNone

heh why no.

[Skirmisher]

Oh hush Edine, don't be a troublemaker.

[Weedmage Princess]

If someone breaks into my house, I'm going to assume the worse.

I'd rather feel badly about killing someone who forcefully entered my home with ill intent rather than bury a loved one.

[peam]

$200 bucks isn't a bad deal on the pistol.

Make sure it's legit.

it is ::grins:: I was there when he got it from his pops... hes a good friend

[HarmNone]

Originally posted by The Edine
heh why no.

I have never had reason to consider owning a firearm. I live in a gated community in an area of little crime, so do not feel the necessity to have one.

HarmNone

[Jack]

I own a few. A Remmington Model 700 bolt action rifle chambered for .300 Win Mag, Ruger Model 77 bolt action rifle, chambered for .25-06, a Remmington Model 870 12 Guage Shotgun, and an H&K USP .40 pistol.

-Jack

[Scott]

I own probably 30-40 guns. Baretta's, Glocks, Mag's, shotguns, Assult rifles, under-overs, etc.

I always hunted so on my 12th birthday I got a 35 Marlin. From there my dad bought me a pistol to "finish off" an animal if I had too since that's a little more safe. Then we I could legally buy them I just started collecting them. I had no intention of buying them and collecting them but I saw a Chinese Carbine for $200 and I decided to buy it. Since then, I just buy ones that interest me or that I could use.

[Zeyrin]

Originally posted by Weedmage Princess
If someone breaks into my house, I'm going to assume the worse.

I'd rather feel badly about killing someone who forcefully entered my home with ill intent rather than bury a loved one.

I agree with you there. Possession is 9/10ths the law and you have a right to defend your property and life. Someone breaks in a sercure location...like you're home...will more than likely not want to go to prision and do their worst to prevent it. I'd drop them in a heart beat to protect my loved ones.

[Askip]

$200 seems more than fair for a good .45 auto, have you compared dealer prices on that model?

My favorite is my .357 Colt King Cobra.

have not really looked into it I trust he is not ripping me off

[Carl Spackler]

Fuck Michael Moores obese liberal ass... and no i don't own any firearms, I plan on buying a shotgun though... Right now my apartment defense consists of my bow, my louisville slugger and my throwing knife

Originally posted by The Edine
I got my FOID card when i turned 18...
will be 21 soon and am looking into what kind of handgun to buy

You can't own a hand gun in Chicago.

[longshot]

I used to shoot skeet when I was younger, so I have experience with guns. However, it's really nice living in a country where guns are not allowed.

It's one of my favorite things about living here.

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by Carl Spackler
Fuck Michael Moores obese liberal ass... and no i don't own any firearms, I plan on buying a shotgun though... Right now my apartment defense consists of my bow, my louisville slugger and my throwing knife

Recurve or compound?

[JustMe]

Originally posted by GSLeloo
I don't own a gun and I would never marry any man that would have a gun in our household. My children will not be raised with guns and I do not want them near me. I don't care when people say they need guns to protect themselves. I grew up my entire life without a single gun in our house and we don't even lock our doors half the time. I hate guns.

You obviously don't live in a large area. I live in a city with 4mil people or so, I don't go anywhere without locking my doors and my house (windows and all) gets checked every night before I go to bed. However when I lived in my old house, there were less than 5,000 people in the whole town, probably more around 3. We never locked our house doors unless I was alone and my car doors were *never* locked. The size of the area you live in changes a lot of your veiws.

As of now I don't own a gun, yet.

Live in the suburbs RangerD1.. have lived in chicago and subs subs right now... DuPage country to be exact... we can own, shoot and carry

[Wezas]

Think I still have a pellet gun (handgun, not rifle) buried in a box somewhere. Those are hella fun.

[StrayRogue]

Originally posted by The Edine

900 from guns


Remind me you said that when one of your family is shot dead.

[Meos]

I think America should revert back to the old west style. Everyone had a gun. If you were an asshole you probebly ended up being shot. If the shit hit the fan, you atleast have a chance to defend yourself.

[Betheny]

I'm all for Responsible Gun Ownership.

But in all reality, I see no reason for your average citizen to own a gun. 'Because I can' is not a very good excuse.

[Meos]

what do you mean average citizen, and smuch can get a license, and a car is about the most deadly weapon there is.

[Betheny]

Originally posted by Meos
what do you mean average citizen, and smuch can get a license, and a car is about the most deadly weapon there is.

But a car is required to hold a job, in most cases. Thus it is a necessary evil. I'm also all for Responsible Driving.

[Betheny]

I guess I'd qualify your average citizen as being someone like me. Or you.

[Meos]

I had a gun for 2 years when I had a place in the city when I was goin to school. the neighborhood wasn't so great. Never had to use it, when I moved away I sold the gun and got a loiusville slugger.

[Tsa`ah]

If you thought Bowling for Columbine was about gun control, you probably missed the underlying message in Fight Club.

Bowling for Columbine was about fear and consumption marketing fed to Americans. It was not about gun control.

I own 2 hand guns and a rifle. (per topic, whatever the reason for it).

[Souzy]

Originally posted by SpunGirl
Two.

A glock 9mm from my Dad and my mom's old service revolver from when she was on the road for AZDPS.

I used to have a shtogun but I got rid of it, I didn't enjoy shooting it.

-K

I'm with Spun glock 9mm :thumbsup:

[Askip]

<< Everyone had a gun >>

There is a nearby town (Kennesaw, Ga.) that requires every household to have a gun.

Very low crime rate there.

:D

[Hulkein]

Originally posted by GSLeloo
What good ones? Say someone broke into your home and you had your trusty gun and you shot them and you killed them... great you just became a murderer.

Haha, this coming from a girl who lives in an area where they don't have to lock your doors.

You're living in a fantasy land girly.

And Stray, read up on that website that peam posted about Bowling for Columbine. Michael Moore is a liar and a snake.

I don't have a handgun yet because I'm not 21 but I am buying one off my uncle and getting a permit to carry one concealed when I turn 21.

[Edited on 12-8-2003 by Hulkein]

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by Hulkein

Originally posted by GSLeloo
What good ones? Say someone broke into your home and you had your trusty gun and you shot them and you killed them... great you just became a murderer.

Haha, this coming from a girl who lives in an area where they don't have to lock your doors.

You're living in a fantasy land girly.


I think that might have been the most ignorant statement I've read on these boards yet. But at least we know you'll be getting a gun. That soothes my mind.

[Carl Spackler]

Originally posted by Latrinsorm

Originally posted by Carl Spackler
Fuck Michael Moores obese liberal ass... and no i don't own any firearms, I plan on buying a shotgun though... Right now my apartment defense consists of my bow, my louisville slugger and my throwing knife

Recurve or compound?

it's an old recurve that my uncle gave me... I had a compound bow growing up, but it was a youth bow so obviously i outgrew it

[SpunGirl]

I could care less what kind of movie Michael Moore makes, but using his award moment as a way to spew his opinions about Bush is just lame.

Any credibility he could have gained was lost in that moment.

-K

[Varsus]

Cold pre-ban AR-15
Olimpic Arms pre-ban AR-15
Bushmaster Disipator
Browning 300 Mag
Berrat A1M (Yes the .50 cal semi-auto)
Walther P99
Winchester 30-30
Mini 30
SKS (Chinese)
Bushmaster M17S Bullpup

-Varsus

P.S. All Wet Back Gun Control Freaks Can Fuck Off

[SpunGirl]

Wet Back Gun Control Freaks? I think you're mixing up your insults there, dude.

I was explaining to Maimara that some of the best times to take out aggression can be from behind a gun barrel. Not shooting someone, mind you, but just blasting away at a plastic bin or something.

-K

[Varsus]

Everyone gets an opinion, If you are pro-gun control, your opinion just sucks.

-Varsus

[Tsa`ah]

I hear banjo music again.

[SpunGirl]

Control? Yes, there should be some form of control. I think what we have now is enough.

Wetbacks? Maybe that has a different meaning here in the Southwest than where you live, but it doesn't have anything to do with gun control. Unless it's because guns are illegal in Mexico? Just trying to figure out where you're coming from, so calm the fuck down.

-K

[Parkbandit]

I own 2 handguns, 3 rifles and an AK-47 with a banana clip.

Just got 2 of the rifles and AK from my father in law... hope to shoot them this weekend. Of course this is the same father in law that gave me a switch blade.. go figure.

[Varsus]

Ok, so someone explain to me how gun control will help this country. Try to explain it the best you can, and ill be able to show you why it won't work in one paragraph.

-Varsus

[StrayRogue]

Originally posted by Hulkein




And Stray, read up on that website that peam posted about Bowling for Columbine. Michael Moore is a liar and a snake.

[Edited on 12-8-2003 by Hulkein]

Considering we've already proven your a fanatical rocket scientist of a person Hulkein, I'll take this as gospel. Just like I'm going to take it as gospel you've ever read his books (or any books ever) and actually found out about the shit you spew every day out of a hole that so closely resembles your ass.

I will admit that I have never read any of his books, as much as i <even though it does not seem like it> do like to have an open mind about things Michael Moore has never been a honist man and has been proven a liar many times over so I will not give anything he says even a second thought.


PS: i bought the gun from him today after i got out of class... it is beautiful

[StrayRogue]

Again, read his books and if you don't believe what he says go to a library or google and find out the facts. Or, be like you are now: a mindless drone who eats the propeganda and does as he's told like a good peon.

stray you see what you just said is a two way streat you are as well a mindless drone who eats up propaganda

in this country since its inception, unlike yours it is my right to own a gun... Tell me stray with your country not allowing gun ownership how many people are killed with guns every year?

[StrayRogue]

Nah mate, I read about a lot of things. First thing I did when I read Stupid White Men was confirm each and everyone of the statements in there. I will agree he positions himself in a very one sided way, he is obviously bias, however, I'd say most of what he says is true. Atleast the facts and figures are.

[Hulkein]

Originally posted by Latrinsorm

Originally posted by Hulkein

Originally posted by GSLeloo
What good ones? Say someone broke into your home and you had your trusty gun and you shot them and you killed them... great you just became a murderer.

Haha, this coming from a girl who lives in an area where they don't have to lock your doors.

You're living in a fantasy land girly.


I think that might have been the most ignorant statement I've read on these boards yet. But at least we know you'll be getting a gun. That soothes my mind.

What is ignorant about it? She was asking why anyone needs a gun, I was pointing out just because she doesn't need one doesn't mean everyone does. Please elaborate for me.

thats the thing I can quote statisitcs that prove my point just as much as he can to prove his... statistics are easy to come by if you want to prove a point

[Latrinsorm]

I believe what she was saying is "killing under any circumstance is bad". To which you replied, in my eyes, with "You're living in a fantasy land". If all you meant was that her environment isn't like everyone else's, the phrase "fantasy land" isn't terribly appropriate.

But on a different note, does anyone have any recommendations on a rifle I should get? Mostly going to hunt deer, never used a rifle with, you know, real bullets before.

[StrayRogue]

Thats how you prove a point. I'll respect you more if you post statistics, numbers and such over "my dad tells me to get a gun becuz its gud k"

[Hulkein]

Originally posted by StrayRogue

Originally posted by Hulkein




And Stray, read up on that website that peam posted about Bowling for Columbine. Michael Moore is a liar and a snake.

[Edited on 12-8-2003 by Hulkein]

Considering we've already proven your a fanatical rocket scientist of a person Hulkein, I'll take this as gospel. Just like I'm going to take it as gospel you've ever read his books (or any books ever) and actually found out about the shit you spew every day out of a hole that so closely resembles your ass.

You tell me I am fanatical? You're on the other side of the spectrum you hypocrite. All I said was read the website, it points out how deceitful Michael Moore is. I've actually watched all of his documentaries and read bits and pieces of his books (couldnt bear to read it all, to tell you the truth) my urban sociology teacher was a big Michael Moore proponant.

Funny how the only response to me ever from you is some sort of insult yet you can never win or even put up a debate. And as a favor, go ahead and quote some of my fanatical statements.. The only thing we've argued about is you telling me my country sucks, and I tell you it doesn't. Grow up man, it gets tiring.

[Hulkein]

Originally posted by Latrinsorm
I believe what she was saying is "killing under any circumstance is bad". To which you replied, in my eyes, with "You're living in a fantasy land". If all you meant was that her environment isn't like everyone else's, the phrase "fantasy land" isn't terribly appropriate.

But on a different note, does anyone have any recommendations on a rifle I should get? Mostly going to hunt deer, never used a rifle with, you know, real bullets before.

I quoted the wrong post, sorry, I meant to quote this one - I don't own a gun and I would never marry any man that would have a gun in our household. My children will not be raised with guns and I do not want them near me. I don't care when people say they need guns to protect themselves. I grew up my entire life without a single gun in our house and we don't even lock our doors half the time. I hate guns.

[StrayRogue]

Originally posted by Hulkein

Originally posted by StrayRogue

Originally posted by Hulkein




And Stray, read up on that website that peam posted about Bowling for Columbine. Michael Moore is a liar and a snake.

[Edited on 12-8-2003 by Hulkein]

Considering we've already proven your a fanatical rocket scientist of a person Hulkein, I'll take this as gospel. Just like I'm going to take it as gospel you've ever read his books (or any books ever) and actually found out about the shit you spew every day out of a hole that so closely resembles your ass.

You tell me I am fanatical? You're on the other side of the spectrum you hypocrite. All I said was read the website, it points out how deceitful Michael Moore is. I've actually watched all of his documentaries and read bits and pieces of his books (couldnt bear to read it all, to tell you the truth) my urban sociology teacher was a big Michael Moore proponant.

Funny how the only response to me ever from you is some sort of insult yet you can never win or even put up a debate. And as a favor, go ahead and quote some of my fanatical statements.. The only thing we've argued about is you telling me my country sucks, and I tell you it doesn't. Grow up man, it gets tiring.

Win? Like your religious, "gays's should not marry because homosexuality is not normal, marriage is BS"? OK tool. Please buy a gun. Please get shot by a gun. It'll be one less fucking moronic tourist in my country harping on about the weather.

[Hulkein]

Hmm, you obviously didn't read my viewpoints well enough. I said I have no problem with a gays having some sort of union, where they are given the tax breaks and other positives married couples are, but in my and most religions, it should not take place.. Please learn to read entire posts and not bits and pieces, thanks =)

[StrayRogue]

I think I'll repost your "its not natural BS". That made me laugh, like more ignorance does.

[Hulkein]

It isn't natural. The natural objective of having sex is to pro-create, obviouslly butt sex doesn't fulfill this objective. (You do know where babies come from, right chap?)

Anything else?

[Edited on 12-8-2003 by Hulkein]

[StrayRogue]

LOL, ah it makes me laugh that theres people like you in this world.

[Hulkein]

And I find it amusing that you don't understand how to read what people are writing, but rather a distorted view to somehow make you feel better.

When you realize you're wrong, it's best to just stop posting rather then say - 'LOL, ah it makes me laugh that theres people like you in this world.' I understand that you may have mis-read what I typed because you dislike me from the original Hulkein-Jolena thread, so I'm understanding at your constant, childish onslaught of 'insults.'

Cheers!

[Edited on 12-8-2003 by Hulkein]

[Rastaman]

If no one had a gun, no one would get shot.

[Hulkein]

Right, but that isn't feasible. All outlawing guns does is take guns out of law-abiding citizens hands and make it so they are only in the hands of criminals who already own them illegaly.

[Edited on 12-8-2003 by Hulkein]

[StrayRogue]

I can read what intelligent people are writing. That I have no problem with. Moron's...its a whole other language baby.

[Hulkein]

Elaborate, these blank statements just make you look pitiful. I just explained what I said and you have no retort to it.

[StrayRogue]

Originally posted by Hulkein
Right, but that isn't feasible. All outlawing guns does it put them in the hands of criminals who ALREADY OWN THEM ILLEGALY.

Ah right, so this means we should all own guns. Outlawing them does CUT THEM DOWN. Do you realize how much gun crime we have? Do you think its even a fraction of yours? Do I have to tell you guns are illegal here?

[Rastaman]

Remember that simpsons Lisa wishes for world peace on the monkey hand, then everyone throws out their guns and then two aliens try to take over but that guy chases them away with the board with a nail in it? That was awesome.

[Hulkein]

Originally posted by StrayRogue

Originally posted by Hulkein
Right, but that isn't feasible. All outlawing guns does it put them in the hands of criminals who ALREADY OWN THEM ILLEGALY.

Ah right, so this means we should all own guns. Outlawing them does CUT THEM DOWN. Do you realize how much gun crime we have? Do you think its even a fraction of yours? Do I have to tell you guns are illegal here?

I'm not arguing for other countries, I don't care about it, I don't live there. My point is, if that drug dealer down the street has weapons illegaly, then I am going to exercise my constitutional right to legally own a firearm should I ever need it to defend myself.

[Edited on 12-8-2003 by Hulkein]

[StrayRogue]

And you say I need to post quotes from your BS to prove your an idiot? O.....K.....

[Hulkein]

Stray, for the last time. You're a huge liberal, I'm a conservative, it really doesn't make either of us stupid. The thing that makes you stupid is the fact that when you are annoyed because someone proves a valid point that you dont AGREE with you go off and call them a moron or an idiot. Please, grow up.

[Drew2]

I consider gun ownership rights or whatever basically be non-partisan. It's more of a personal philosophy thing - Does the world need guns, or no.

[StrayRogue]

If thats a valid point, I'm a nazi.

[Hulkein]

It is a valid point, read our Constitution. You don't live here, you don't want to, we don't want you to, stop bitching about things that you have no right to bitch about.

I already posted some statistics Stray and you responded to them wishing bad upon me

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by Hulkein
Stray, for the last time. You're a huge liberal, I'm a conservative, it really doesn't make either of us stupid.

It makes you both stupid. :D Moderation is the key to all things.

Originally posted by StrayRogue

Originally posted by The Edine

900 from guns


Remind me you said that when one of your family is shot dead.

and to that I quote you stray If you wish to gain my respect make a argument not a insult

[GuildRat]

Originally posted by The Edine
what say you guildrat $200 to pickup the p220-45-st

My Sig cost me $700 US with both barrels, I'd say that's a decent deal if the person you're buying from kept the gun in good shape.

military guy... so i assume he took care of it... only one barrel though have yet to take it apart and clean it but he said he cleaned it up just before he got back Seems to be a good deal and if worse comes to worse ill rob him at gunpoint and get my money back... ::snickers to himself::

[Zir]

I've always wanted a Colt Python. Just in case zombies take over the world.

[Drew2]

Originally posted by Zir
I've always wanted a Colt Python. Just in case zombies take over the world.

Yes. I heard we were on Level Orange on the Zombie Invasion Threat chart.

let us look at the State of Florida for example
* Florida adopted a right-to-carry law in 1987. Between 1987 and 1996, these changes occurred:
Florida United States
homicide rate -36%
firearm homicide rate -37%
handgun homicide rate -41%
compaird to the rest of the United stats at that time
homicide rate -.4%
firearm homicide rate +15%
handgun homicide rate +24%

[Drew2]

Someone tell me the international trade deficit for 2002 for the US. It was a test question and I want to see if I was anywhere close.

[Zir]

Am I the only one who checks behind the shower curtain for zombies everytime I go into the bathroom?

[Drew2]

Actually, until I was about 13 I would always check behind the shower curtain before I used the restroom.

Don't ask me why.

I wasn't looking for zombies, however. I think I thought someone was trying to kill me.

[Edited on 12-8-2003 by Tayre]

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by The Edine
let us look at the State of Florida for example
* Florida adopted a right-to-carry law in 1987. Between 1987 and 1996, these changes occurred:
Florida United States
homicide rate -36%
firearm homicide rate -37%
handgun homicide rate -41%
compaird to the rest of the United stats at that time
homicide rate -.4%
firearm homicide rate +15%
handgun homicide rate +24%

Considering suicide is more common than homocide, I'd be more concerned with the x suicide rates and so on.

[Trinitis]

Originally posted by StrayRogue

Originally posted by Hulkein
Right, but that isn't feasible. All outlawing guns does it put them in the hands of criminals who ALREADY OWN THEM ILLEGALY.

Ah right, so this means we should all own guns. Outlawing them does CUT THEM DOWN. Do you realize how much gun crime we have? Do you think its even a fraction of yours? Do I have to tell you guns are illegal here?

Just wondering but..how many people are stabbed, beaten, or maimed by bats/knives/etc over there Stray?

-Adredrin

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by LordAdredrin
Just wondering but..how many people are stabbed, beaten, or maimed by bats/knives/etc over there Stray?

-Adredrin

And what percentage of those are you personally responsible for? Out of curiousity.

Originally posted by Maimara
I guess I'd qualify your average citizen as being someone like me. Or you.


My job requires a gun

http://www.specialoperations.com/Weapons/M4.html

We have different reflex sites and don't use supressors in my unit though.

We got everything else though.

Originally posted by Rastaman
If no one had a gun, no one would get shot.


Yea, then they'd get shanked, punched, hooked, stabbed, kicked or otherwise maimed to death.

what kind of sidearm do you carry ranger?

Not issued one, but gonna get some kind of .45 ACP before i deploy. Dunno what though, can't buy one till i'm 21.

you can if your parents ok it with your foid card if your under 21 you can not purchase it yourself but it is not illieagle to have registered to your name

[Scott]

Originally posted by LordAdredrin

Originally posted by StrayRogue

Originally posted by Hulkein
Right, but that isn't feasible. All outlawing guns does it put them in the hands of criminals who ALREADY OWN THEM ILLEGALY.

Ah right, so this means we should all own guns. Outlawing them does CUT THEM DOWN. Do you realize how much gun crime we have? Do you think its even a fraction of yours? Do I have to tell you guns are illegal here?

Just wondering but..how many people are stabbed, beaten, or maimed by bats/knives/etc over there Stray?

-Adredrin

Right now The UK ranks the highest out of any country for violent crimes. Since they made it very hard to (if not completely illegal now) to carry a gun for self defense, the UK has sky rocketed in terms of violent crimes. The murder rate is lower then the US, but the violent crime rate will be WELL surpass the US as they continue to rapidly increase over in the UK.

[Hulkein]

I personally would rather be shot at then beaten by a group of people with crowbards. Most people are a lousy shot anyway.

[Scott]

Originally posted by Hulkein
I personally would rather be shot at then beaten by a group of people with crowbards. Most people are a lousy shot anyway.

That's not only what a violent crime is. There is a lot more to it then that, most of which don't involve things that will hurt an individual. However I'd rather be beat by a bunch of crowbars. That would most likely never happen though because I have a gun.

[Hulkein]

Well I guess it all depends on how long and viciously I was to be beaten, lol.

But yeah, your comment 'it wont happen because I have a gun' was sort of my underlying point, guns also protect a hell of a lot of people without ever being used.

[Scott]

Making guns illegal just leaves the guns in the hands of criminals while leaving others defenseless. It takes the doubt out of a criminals mind when they know they will have the upper hand.

[Sean]

i've never felt the need to own a gun.

Originally posted by The Edine
you can if your parents ok it with your foid card if your under 21 you can not purchase it yourself but it is not illieagle to have registered to your name


Yea well they ain't.

[longshot]

Ranger, I bet we could write up a script and pitch it to Fox.

It will be called,

RangerD1's Family Reunion.
A new reality series.

It would work...

[MPSorc]

Lets see, i own a winchester 12 guage, a 7mm mag rifle, and once i return from Korea im buying a S&W 44 mag revolver. Also im in the military so currently have assigned to me a 9mm baretta (sucks) and a M4 carbine (great) also get to shoot a M249 (SAW) sweet, and a MK19 (awsome!) which is a fully automatic grenade launcher.

And as for Gun Control, im from a small town in TX so if you can take responsibility for your actions then you should be able to have a gun, and if you got a permit you get to carry one which is GREAT!!!!

[Ilvane]

No guns in my house, ever. I had a close childhood friend who got drunk, felt that his friends had left him on prom night and shot himself in the head. His mother didn't store her gun away someplace where he couldn't get to it, and he killed himself. I kept thinking if he hadn't had a gun, he would have just gone to sleep and woke up and everything would have been better. Instead he died at 17.

But guns don't hurt anyone, of course.

-A

[Sean]

Originally posted by Ilvane
No guns in my house, ever. I had a close childhood friend who got drunk, felt that his friends had left him on prom night and shot himself in the head. His mother didn't store her gun away someplace where he couldn't get to it, and he killed himself. I kept thinking if he hadn't had a gun, he would have just gone to sleep and woke up and everything would have been better. Instead he died at 17.

But guns don't hurt anyone, of course.

-A

im sure someone will contest that if he was truely suicidal he would have found another way to kill himself. but i agree with you for what its worth.

like i said earlier in the thread i've never felt the need to own a gun. currently i live in a somewhat major city which as a bad rep for its crime rate. and even walking the streets late at night even with the uneasy feeling one might get ive never felt that owning a gun would make me feel any better or more protected.

that being said hunters and collectors i feel fall under another catagory then people who feel guns are a necessary means of protection. recreation and sport well .. whatever floats your boat im not a hunter but i have fired a rifle at ranges and while it was fun at the time its not something i personally would consider worth owning a gun for.

again this is just my opinion im not saying a gun has never saved a life im not saying a gun has never taken an innocent life. just giving my opinion on why i dont feel the need to own a gun.

Originally posted by longshot
Ranger, I bet we could write up a script and pitch it to Fox.

It will be called,

RangerD1's Family Reunion.
A new reality series.

It would work...

Maybe, but i doubt it would make it out of the first season without having to create new members.

[Bewitchindryad25]

I've been raised around guns all my life. So I have no problem with them. However since I was old enough to hold on I was taught the "proper" way to use a gun or what to do if I needed or had to use it.

Do I own a gun? I used to own a little pistol until I spent one saturday cleaning my uncle's brains off his bedroom wall, after he decided "life" was to hard and used my grandmothers gun to blow his brains out. Afterwards not only did we lie to my grandmother (the entire family did she still doesn't know how he died) I spent 8-10 hours just cleaning. I went home got my gun and gave it to another family member.

I've not had one in the house since. But I also have children so to me its better. Though I do have 3 or 4 swords that I know how to use if needed.

[Miss X]

My opinions run along the same line as Strays, I dont own a gun obviously, since its illegal here. (and I am very glad of that). Gun crime is on the rise over here, but the risk of fatal shooting in England and Wales is one of the lowest in the world.
The latest British Crime Survey (which includes reported and unreported crimes) shows that:
Overall crime in the UK has fallen.
The risk of being a victim is the same as in 1981.
There were 5% fewer violent crimes reported to the survey in the 12 months to June 2003.

The way I see it is, if you own a gun you own it for a reason and that is to shoot someone, should you feel the need. I'm really shocked by how many people have guns, I honestly don't know anyone who owns a gun, lisenced or not. Over here, if you shoot someone who breaks into your house, you will probably go to jail. I can see that it might seem like people who do break into homes are getting an easy ride, but the prison sentences for robbery are quite high over here.

I'm really glad to live in a country where guns are illegal, in fact knives etc are illegal to carry around too. It makes me feel safer, even if gun crime is on the rise in some cities over here.

[Edited on 9-12-03 by Miss X]

[The Cat In The Hat]

Due to the fact that my father was killed by one, No.

There will never be a gun in my house.

Cat

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by Ilvane
No guns in my house, ever. I had a close childhood friend who got drunk, felt that his friends had left him on prom night and shot himself in the head. His mother didn't store her gun away someplace where he couldn't get to it, and he killed himself. I kept thinking if he hadn't had a gun, he would have just gone to sleep and woke up and everything would have been better. Instead he died at 17.

But guns don't hurt anyone, of course.

-A

I'm not trying to belittle your/his feelings. But in all seriousness, do you have any alcohol in your house? It seems a bit closed-minded to gloss over underage drinking (when he clearly was not mature enough to handle himself) and put the blame on firearms.

[Czeska]

I currently do not have any guns in the house. I used to have 2 shotguns, but the ex has those now. We used them to shoot trap a few times, which I enjoyed. I also have done some target shooting with a revolver, a 9 mil, a .45 and one or 2 others.

I don't have a problem with guns in general, I have a problem with people that have them that are not properly trained in their use. I have a problem with people who leave them where kids can get them.

Note, our shotguns and shells were stored seperately when my daughter was born.

[HarmNone]

Heh. I did some target shooting with a friend about 15 years ago. We decided that if I were to be beset by six attackers, I could wing one but would have to take on the other five in hand-to-hand combat. I figured the gun did not give me that much of an edge. ;)

HarmNone did not do well

[Ilvane]

Yes, the alcohol had something to do with it, but so did the gun..

Had the gun not been there, he would have just been stuck with a real tough hangover..and not dead.

-A

[Vixen]

My husband had a shotgun before we moved. But I made him keep the ammo in a seperate location away from the locked up gun because our small nephew was always around and into things.

or slit wrists or overdosed on drugs etc.

[Zir]

Shotguns work good on zombies too.

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by Zir
Shotguns work good on zombies too.

Am I the only one who thinks zombie -> flamethrower?

[Zir]

Where'm I gonna get a flamethrower to kill zombies? Let's be realistic here.

you can make one easy all you need is a torch

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by Zir
Where'm I gonna get a flamethrower to kill zombies? Let's be realistic here.

Step one: WD-40
Step two: Lighter (preferably lit)
Step three: Spray WD-40 through flame.

If you were some kind of engineer, you could probably rig up a more powerful/safe version.

So the question is: where AREN'T you going to get a flamethrower?

[Makkah]

Step one: WD-40
Step two: Lighter (preferably lit)
Step three: Spray WD-40 through flame.

Of course everyone's heard the story about the flame that rode backwards along the stream of wd-40 back into the container. Boom! Real bright.

rht

[Latrinsorm]

It worked when I did it.