Official: Ithzir Initiate and Seer Spell Updates

[Fallen]

Ithzir initiates and Ithzir seers, two of the more mental monsters of Old Ta'Faendryl, have been updated to take an increasingly more proactive role in the art of player character combat. Their respective offensive spell repertoires are now less focused on disabling, and more on causing damage.

Along with this update, the Ithzir will no longer receive a warding bonus to Corrupt Essence (703), nor will they reflect mental magic as the old Forget spell.

Hunters of Old Ta'Faendryl are advised to proceed with greater caution while acclimating to these latest developments.

-M.

This message was originally posted in Hunting and Combat, Old Ta'Faendryl Hunting Areas. To discuss the above follow the link below.

http://www.play.net/forums/messages.asp?forum=102&category=4&topic=58&message=3938

[Fallen]

Fucking awesome. I R DID THIS!

[Stunseed]

A shame for being mentalists they don't learn to protect their head better. I'm still setting them up with relative ease.

[Asha]

YeH awesome for sorcs. Do let me know if this means they've given them ''insta-noprep'' bowels, triton type spells.
That would ruin the game completely as it's the only place I enjoy hunting.

[Fallen]

I am guessing they will be casting spells like Wither and Fervent Reproach.

[Danical]

Wither . . . siiiiick.

[Gan]

Does this mean they're going to open up Seers to implosion casting?

I've suggested this for quite a while, and it will definately make hunting there more interesting.

And glad to see initiates getting a beef up.

Someone be sure to post logs of the new spells this update will bring.

[Kitsun]

Please let this mean less Empathic Dispel and I'll be happy. Maybe means less Web too.

[Meges]

Please let this mean less Empathic Dispel and I'll be happy. Maybe means less Web too.

Yeah, man I hate Empathic Dispel with a passion. Freaking seers.


Meges

[Fallen]

An Ithzir initiate places one palm on her chest, and raises the other toward you!
Particles of dust and soot rise from the ground at an Ithzir initiate's feet as she releases a pulsating, platinum ripple of energy toward you!
CS: +386 - TD: +446 + CvA: +4 + d100: +11 - -5 == -40
Warded off!

An Ithzir initiate raises her arms and gazes upward!
An Ithzir initiate draws a large sign in the air before her...

Spirits begin to swirl around you.
CS: +386 - TD: +416 + CvA: +4 + d100: +94 - -5 == +73
Warded off!
Spirits begin to swirl around a greater construct.
The spell strikes the greater construct and the shimmering gold aura surrounding it flickers momentarily.
The spirits distract the greater construct's every action.

[Meges]

Looks like griffins got updated as well? I've never, ever gotten this much RT from them previously, from any manuever. Never more than 20 seconds.

>A war griffin swoops down over you, buffeting you with its wings!
One of the griffin's wings swats the side of your head with a stinging blow, and you reel as stars appear before your eyes!
Roundtime: 32 sec.
Roundtime changed to 14 seconds.

Oh, and hahahaha on everybody dying in there.


Meges

[Insodus]

Great, making it even harder on squares who cant ward that stuff.

[Outdrsyguy1]

32 second rt???? jesus, how could you possibly hunt there without dieing constantly now? Unless your a hasted wizard good luck :(
I've never seen that much RT from anything either.

[Danical]

did you have RT from a previous maneuver?

[Celephais]

did you have RT from a previous maneuver?
Most additional RTs I have seen do not show the previous RT added to the current (as in they just show how much additional RT you get).

[Gan]

Wing slap always created anywhere from 5 to 12 seconds with my capped empath (25 ranks CM). CM did reduce the effect time with additional ranks.

RT does stack with griffin screech, wing slap, scout sweep, cheapshot, warrior shout (rarely affected me), but the worst was when I was runestaff and I'd get a 20 second disarm immediately backed up by a griffen screech or wingslap. There's nothing you can do but just stand there and take the beating...
:(

Thats another reason why shield/brawl rocks in OTF. (open handed channeling and a free hand for manuevers? and picking up shit was nice.

[Celephais]

I'm not saying they don't stack, I'm saying you don't get-
Roundtime: 32 sec.

when you have 30 seconds of stacked RT and get 2 more... you would see-
Roundtime: 2 sec.

[Danical]

You sure about that? I can't recall it but I seem to remember differently.

[TheEschaton]

Nah, C's way is how I remember RT stacking in OTF.

[Liberi Fatali]

Looks like griffins got updated as well? I've never, ever gotten this much RT from them previously, from any manuever. Never more than 20 seconds.

>A war griffin swoops down over you, buffeting you with its wings!
One of the griffin's wings swats the side of your head with a stinging blow, and you reel as stars appear before your eyes!
Roundtime: 32 sec.
Roundtime changed to 14 seconds.

Oh, and hahahaha on everybody dying in there.


Meges

It has been possible to get over 30 RT since OTF opened, for those curious.

Of course, very few of you would know that since you're OTF newbs, etc. Hoho.

[Meges]

Looks like griffins got updated as well? I've never, ever gotten this much RT from them previously, from any manuever. Never more than 20 seconds.

>A war griffin swoops down over you, buffeting you with its wings!
One of the griffin's wings swats the side of your head with a stinging blow, and you reel as stars appear before your eyes!
Roundtime: 32 sec.
Roundtime changed to 14 seconds.

Oh, and hahahaha on everybody dying in there.


Meges

That's not stacked RT. He rarely gets RT from anything in there. My wizard has 101 ranks of CM, if that matters. When that happened, I was like, OMGWTF? And yeah, haste...good stuff.


Meges

[Liberi Fatali]

It has been possible to get over 30 RT since OTF opened, for those curious.

Of course, very few of you would know that since you're OTF newbs, etc. Hoho.

Here's a log of me getting 32 seconds from GSIII.


>prep 719
You trace an intricate sign that contorts in the air while forcefully invoking Dark Catalyst...
Your spell is ready.
>cast seer
You gesture at an Ithzir seer.
CS: +653 - TD: +640 + CvA: +19 + d100: +44 == +76
Warded off!
Cast Roundtime 3 Seconds.
(Forcing stance down to guarded)
>
An Ithzir seer suddenly opens his eyes and stares directly at you!
CS: +542 - TD: +447 + CvA: +15 + d100: +41 - -5 == +156
Warding failed!
You feel a sudden inexplicable fear!
You freeze, unable to control the wave of fear that swells within you!
Roundtime: 30 sec.
A war griffin tries to bite you!
AS: +620 vs DS: +30 with AvD: +35 + d100 roll: +28 = +653
... and hits for 257 points of damage!
Perfect strike to abdomen. You scream in anguish and drop quite dead!

It seems you have died, my friend. Although you cannot do anything, you are keenly aware of what is going on around you...

You mentally give a sigh of relief as you remember that the Goddess Lorminstra owes you a favor.

...departing in 10 mins...
The war griffin lets out a piercing screech!

A greater construct stomps west.
An Ithzir seer walks west.
>
* Jenovadeath just bit the dust!
healme
>A war griffin swoops slowly in!
You are healed.
>l seer
You see a fairly typical Ithzir seer.
It appears to be in good shape.
It has a glassy black mica amulet (worn), a large sack (worn), a suit of trimmed leather (worn) and a twisted crystal-tipped staff.
>prep 719
...wait 26 seconds.
>cast at seer
An Ithzir seer closes his eyes and bows his head slightly.
>...wait 26 seconds.
>prep 719
...wait 25 seconds.
cast at seer
>
...wait 25 seconds.
prep 719
>cast at seer...wait 24 seconds.
>l
...wait 24 seconds.
>[Old Ta'Faendryl, River Bend]
The river bends in from the north, the flow of silted water slapping up against a rocky embankment before traveling on to the west. Slender stalks of bulrush rise from the deeper crevices of the rocks, rooted firmly in the silt and mud collected in the broken cracks. You also see a war griffin that is flying around, a war griffin that is flying around and an Ithzir seer.
Obvious paths: east, west.
>healme
A war griffin tries to spear you with its beak!
AS: +625 vs DS: +105 with AvD: +43 + d100 roll: +69 = +632
... and hits for 213 points of damage!
Your neck has been removed!
Your head quickly falls to the ground.

It seems you have died, my friend. Although you cannot do anything, you are keenly aware of what is going on around you...

You mentally give a sigh of relief as you remember that the Goddess Lorminstra owes you a favor.

...departing in 10 mins...
The war griffin lets out a piercing screech!

>
You are healed.
>
* Jenovadeath just bit the dust!
>healme
An Ithzir seer raises his hand, then slowly lets it descend toward you!
CS: +582 - TD: +417 + CvA: +15 + d100: +59 - -5 == +244
Warding failed!
You suddenly can't remember what you were thinking about a moment ago.
A war griffin swoops down from high overhead!
A war griffin tries to spear you with its beak!
AS: +625 vs DS: +105 with AvD: +43 + d100 roll: +63 = +626
... and hits for 246 points of damage!
A mighty blow cleaves a swath through your back, taking the spine with it.

It seems you have died, my friend. Although you cannot do anything, you are keenly aware of what is going on around you...

You mentally give a sigh of relief as you remember that the Goddess Lorminstra owes you a favor.

...departing in 10 mins...
The war griffin lets out a piercing screech!

A greater construct stomps in.
>You are healed.
> * Jenovadeath just bit the dust!
>
An Ithzir seer closes his eyes and bows his head slightly.
>A war griffin swoops down over you, buffeting you with its wings!
One of the griffin's wings swats the side of your head with a stinging blow, and you reel as stars appear before your eyes!
Roundtime: 32 sec.
>healmeY
ou are healed.
>healme
An Ithzir seer suddenly opens his eyes and stares directly at you!
Nothing happens.
A war griffin tries to bite you!
AS: +620 vs DS: +105 with AvD: +35 + d100 roll: +18 = +568
... and hits for 251 points of damage!
A mighty hit turns your insides to outsides!

It seems you have died, my friend. Although you cannot do anything, you are keenly aware of what is going on around you...

You mentally give a sigh of relief as you remember that the Goddess Lorminstra owes you a favor.

...departing in 10 mins...
The war griffin lets out a piercing screech!

>You are healed.
> * Jenovadeath just bit the dust!
>A greater construct swings a massive arm at you!
AS: +562 vs DS: +105 with AvD: +65 + d100 roll: +4 = +526
... and hits for 189 points of damage!
Your weapon arm falls to the ground, still twitching.

It seems you have died, my friend. Although you cannot do anything, you are keenly aware of what is going on around you...

You mentally give a sigh of relief as you remember that the Goddess Lorminstra owes you a favor.

...departing in 10 mins...
A satisfied rumbling comes from within the greater construct.
>healme
You are healed.
> * Jenovadeath just bit the dust!
>An Ithzir seer swings a twisted crystal-tipped staff at you!
AS: +606 vs DS: +105 with AvD: +26 + d100 roll: +25 = +552
... and hits for 169 points of damage!
Your left hip is pulped, severing your leg.
You fall screaming to the ground grasping your mangled left leg!

It seems you have died, my friend. Although you cannot do anything, you are keenly aware of what is going on around you...

You mentally give a sigh of relief as you remember that the Goddess Lorminstra owes you a favor.

...departing in 10 mins...
The guiding force leaves an Ithzir seer.

The Ithzir seer quickly moves his hands in a warding gesture, preventing any blood from splattering in his direction.

>healme
You are healed.
>
* Zodier just bit the dust!
>
* Jenovadeath just bit the dust!
>
A war griffin tries to bite you!
AS: +620 vs DS: +105 with AvD: +35 + d100 roll: +5 = +555
... and hits for 241 points of damage!
Massive blow smashes through ribs and drives your heart out the back.

It seems you have died, my friend. Although you cannot do anything, you are keenly aware of what is going on around you...

You mentally give a sigh of relief as you remember that the Goddess Lorminstra owes you a favor.

...departing in 10 mins...
The war griffin lets out a piercing screech!

>healme
You are healed.
> * Jenovadeath just bit the dust!
>A war griffin tries to bite you!
AS: +620 vs DS: +105 with AvD: +35 + d100 roll: +99 = +649
... and hits for 276 points of damage!
Massive blow smashes through ribs and drives your heart out the back.

It seems you have died, my friend. Although you cannot do anything, you are keenly aware of what is going on around you...

You mentally give a sigh of relief as you remember that the Goddess Lorminstra owes you a favor.

...departing in 10 mins...
The war griffin lets out a piercing screech!
>
An Ithzir adept walks in, her eyes narrowed in thought.
>
healme
You are healed.
>
healme
An Ithzir adept thrusts both palms toward you!
An Ithzir adept hurls a powerful lightning bolt at you!
AS: +568 vs DS: +80 with AvD: +40 + d100 roll: +49 = +577
... and hits for 335 points of damage!
Massive electrical bolt burns a hole through the back and kidneys.

It seems you have died, my friend. Although you cannot do anything, you are keenly aware of what is going on around you...

You mentally give a sigh of relief as you remember that the Goddess Lorminstra owes you a favor.

...departing in 10 mins...

The Ithzir adept raises her arms overhead with a shout of exultation!

>You are healed.
>
* Jenovadeath just bit the dust!
>
An Ithzir scout crouches, sweeps a leg at you and connects!
MS: +498 - MD: +417 + MAvA: 0 + d100: +9 == +90
Failed!
An Ithzir scout whacks your legs to no effect!
An Ithzir seer closes his eyes and bows his head slightly.
>
healme
You are healed.
>An Ithzir adept closes her eyes while incanting an alien phrase.
>
'God damn!
* Zodier just bit the dust!
>
* Edgeleaf just bit the dust!
>
A war griffin tries to bite you!
AS: +620 vs DS: +105 with AvD: +35 + d100 roll: +90 = +640
... and hits for 253 points of damage!
Incredible strike pierces your heart and runs you clean through!

It seems you have died, my friend. Although you cannot do anything, you are keenly aware of what is going on around you...

You mentally give a sigh of relief as you remember that the Goddess Lorminstra owes you a favor.

...departing in 10 mins...
The war griffin lets out a piercing screech!

>healme
You exclaim, "God damn!"
>
You are healed.
>
* Jenovadeath just bit the dust!
>
An Ithzir scout swings a gleaming steel broadsword at you!
AS: +548 vs DS: +105 with AvD: +36 + d100 roll: +2 = +481
... and hits for 164 points of damage!
Incredible strike pierces your heart and runs you clean through!

It seems you have died, my friend. Although you cannot do anything, you are keenly aware of what is going on around you...

You mentally give a sigh of relief as you remember that the Goddess Lorminstra owes you a favor.

...departing in 10 mins...

The Ithzir scout quickly cleans the fresh blood from her steel broadsword with a few wipes across your clothing.

An Ithzir seer nonchalantly folds his arms over his chest.
An Ithzir seer pulls a small crystal from a pocket and focuses his attention on it. After a few moments, the crystal flares brightly! The seer nods thoughtfully, then places the glowing crystal back into the hidden pocket.

[Meges]

It has been possible to get over 30 RT since OTF opened, for those curious.

Of course, very few of you would know that since you're OTF newbs, etc. Hoho.

Perhaps it's possible for someone as poorly trained as Jenovadeath, sure. Like I said, in the WHOLE time OTF has been open, I have never received RT from a manuever that's been over 20 seconds. That's GSIII and GSIV, in case you're having trouble with the timeline.


Meges

PS Yeehaw!

[Latrinsorm]

That looks like the IV beta to me, JENOVADEATHBOR.

[Liberi Fatali]

Perhaps it's possible for someone as poorly trained as Jenovadeath, sure. Like I said, in the WHOLE time OTF has been open, I have never received RT from a manuever that's been over 20 seconds. That's GSIII and GSIV, in case you're having trouble with the timeline.


Meges

PS Yeehaw!

I can verify that your character was not hunting OTF at the time of it's opening, nor did I ever see your character in OTF in all of 2002. But, of course, you probably purchased your character, so. Good try attempting to cry wolf over this supposed change, however.

[Liberi Fatali]

That looks like the IV beta to me, JENOVADEATHBOR.

It still used GSIII mechanics. Over 150 logs came up when I searched for the griffin string -- feel free to give me your e-mail address and I will certainly send them all to you for you to observe a GS III instance. CURIOUSLY.

[Tea & Strumpets]

The 30+ second wing flap is a fumble roll. It's nothing new.

[Liberi Fatali]

The 30+ second wing flap is a fumble roll. It's nothing new.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

[Meges]

I can verify that your character was not hunting OTF at the time of it's opening, nor did I ever see your character in OTF in all of 2002. But, of course, you probably purchased your character, so. Good try attempting to cry wolf over this supposed change, however.

Verify away, because I'm not really sure how you can possibly verify anything you have proposed. I'll verify that I've had this particular character since his inception, even though that's only been since 1999 (including Meges). I can further submit to you that quite a few people with whom I've had dealings with IC are on these message boards and would have to agree with me. Hell, I even shared my accounts with Washee and Augie quite a few years ago so they could get wizard spells and I could do warrior guild training crap with Meges and Washee.

Furthermore, what the hell does you seeing me in OTF have to do with me being there? I never saw you and still don't see you. Nor do I care to. I didn't see you in the test instance either, which by the way, is not the live instance, in case you were wondering.

Honestly, I shouldn't be getting into this little trifle with you, because one thing will remain the same and it is most certainly verifiable; you're a bigoted idiot with access to a dictionary/thesaurus.


Meges

[Meges]

The 30+ second wing flap is a fumble roll. It's nothing new.

It may be nothing new, but it is to me. I have never had that happen to any of my characters and it was a little shocking at first. Coupled with the initiate and seer changes, I figured it was a bug really.


Meges

[Liberi Fatali]

Verify away, because I'm not really sure how you can possibly verify anything you have proposed. I'll verify that I've had this particular character since his inception, even though that's only been since 1999 (including Meges). I can further submit to you that quite a few people with whom I've had dealings with IC are on these message boards and would have to agree with me. Hell, I even shared my accounts with Washee and Augie quite a few years ago so they could get wizard spells and I could do warrior guild training crap with Meges and Washee.

Furthermore, what the hell does you seeing me in OTF have to do with me being there? I never saw you and still don't see you. Nor do I care to. I didn't see you in the test instance either, which by the way, is not the live instance, in case you were wondering.

Honestly, I shouldn't be getting into this little trifle with you, because one thing will remain the same and it is most certainly verifiable; you're a bigoted idiot with access to a dictionary/thesaurus.


Meges


Thoroughly charming, my dear.

The point remains: I've only seen you once in OTF -- ONE time, and that was in 2006. I did not move to Ireland until 2003, so the time issue certainly was not a problem prior to that year.

I ran your name through my logs from 2000 - 2003, and of all the instances that came up (mostly your death message), none of them displayed you in the OTF area that I could see. Granted, this does not mean you truly weren't there, but I would have, proverbially and undeniably, ran into you at least once.

Looking at my logs from the opening of OTF, the regulars included:

Contesserina, Gadshill, Celtic, Starsnuffer, Brinnea (who wasn't able to hunt there, I believe, merely heal), Chazym, Tsin, Lochraven, Paragonimus, Tarakan, Sadrae, Sorchia, Angellisa, Chuckaar, Krovax, Minkster (BITCH), Zurrainn, Enchandri, Virilneus, Flame, Jamousii, Malok, Badd, Macatac, stupid Jadall,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Heartpierced, Bonehitter, Omnirus, myself, and perhaps, the biggest non-straightly-dressed person:

Xenosphere Harpsinger the Jester.
He appears to be a Giantman of the Sun Clan.
He appears to be wizened with age and very tall. He has silver-flecked crystal green eyes and golden brown skin. He has chin length, glossy blue-black hair worn in two ponytails. He has a clean-shaven face, a freckled nose and dimpled cheeks.
He has a rainbow butterfly tattoo on his leg, a tiny pink elephant tattoo on his arm, a map of Elanthia tattoo on his chest, a green quarter note tattoo on his neck, a screaming banshee tattoo on his neck, a silver lute tattoo on his finger, and a beautiful harp tattoo on his ankle.
He is in good shape.
He is holding an azure blazestar in his right hand and an engraved brass box in his left hand.
He is wearing a swirling sonic barrier, a gold ring, a shining golden armband, a crinkled pink cotton pouch, a rune-etched platinum earring, a tiny rainbow-beaded bag, a small rose, some silvery lace trousers, an engraved mithril band inlaid with a glittering emerald harp, an elegant silver alloy flagon, a woven imflass weapon harness, a shimmering rainbow cloak, some gleaming articulated gauntlets, a small Silvergate pin, a pink pearl inset gold crown, a radiant-cut pink dreamstone clasp, a pair of pink velvet slippers, a fluffy pink feather boa, a crystalline fairy pin, a rainbow quartz mask, a fluffy pink feather boa, a fluffy pink feather boa, a fluffy pink feather boa, a fluffy pink feather boa, a fluffy pink feather boa, a bas relief gold medal, and a flame-cut diamond buckle.

You, sir, seem to be absent. I wonder why that is.

[BigWorm]

damn, those boas really make that outfit pop

[Meges]

Thoroughly charming, my dear.

The point remains: I've only seen you once in OTF -- ONE time, and that was in 2006. I did not move to Ireland until 2003, so the time issue certainly was not a problem prior to that year.

I ran your name through my logs from 2000 - 2003, and of all the instances that came up (mostly your death message), none of them displayed you in the OTF area that I could see. Granted, this does not mean you truly weren't there, but I would have, proverbially and undeniably, ran into you at least once.

Looking at my logs from the opening of OTF, the regulars included:

Contesserina, Gadshill, Celtic, Starsnuffer, Brinnea (who wasn't able to hunt there, I believe, merely heal), Chazym, Tsin, Lochraven, Paragonimus, Tarakan, Sadrae, Sorchia, Angellisa, Chuckaar, Krovax, Minkster (BITCH), Zurrainn, Enchandri, Virilneus, Flame, Jamousii, Malok, Badd, Macatac, stupid Jadall,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Heartpierced, Bonehitter, Omnirus, myself, and perhaps, the biggest non-straightly-dressed person:

Xenosphere Harpsinger the Jester.
He appears to be a Giantman of the Sun Clan.
He appears to be wizened with age and very tall. He has silver-flecked crystal green eyes and golden brown skin. He has chin length, glossy blue-black hair worn in two ponytails. He has a clean-shaven face, a freckled nose and dimpled cheeks.
He has a rainbow butterfly tattoo on his leg, a tiny pink elephant tattoo on his arm, a map of Elanthia tattoo on his chest, a green quarter note tattoo on his neck, a screaming banshee tattoo on his neck, a silver lute tattoo on his finger, and a beautiful harp tattoo on his ankle.
He is in good shape.
He is holding an azure blazestar in his right hand and an engraved brass box in his left hand.
He is wearing a swirling sonic barrier, a gold ring, a shining golden armband, a crinkled pink cotton pouch, a rune-etched platinum earring, a tiny rainbow-beaded bag, a small rose, some silvery lace trousers, an engraved mithril band inlaid with a glittering emerald harp, an elegant silver alloy flagon, a woven imflass weapon harness, a shimmering rainbow cloak, some gleaming articulated gauntlets, a small Silvergate pin, a pink pearl inset gold crown, a radiant-cut pink dreamstone clasp, a pair of pink velvet slippers, a fluffy pink feather boa, a crystalline fairy pin, a rainbow quartz mask, a fluffy pink feather boa, a fluffy pink feather boa, a fluffy pink feather boa, a fluffy pink feather boa, a fluffy pink feather boa, a bas relief gold medal, and a flame-cut diamond buckle.

You, sir, seem to be absent. I wonder why that is.

The bolded part is the only part that really matters. Others on these boards can verify that my wizard has most certainly been there. Also, use your damn logic if you have any. One time and that was in 2006? You're full of crap and you prove my point. I don't know how many times I've been in there and you've only seen me once. Gee, that must mean I've only been there once. Go figure. Who's absent now?

And man, I forgot I shared so many accounts with people. Morgynn (Methais' RL ex), Augie, Washee, Dyxie (Reecee), Karess, Commandant, Alyssea (the original one - Jenn), Doppelganger, Johannia, Tyekanik, and quite a few others. Don't make me start pasting PW! (kidding) Account sharing sucks even with trustworthy people.

So, in closing, you can suck my absent lollypop.


Meges

[Fallen]

Seers cast Torment now. Be warned.

An Ithzir seer suddenly opens her eyes and stares directly at you!
CS: +411 - TD: +371 + CvA: -21 + d100: +89 - -5 == +113
Warding failed!
An Ithzir seer glares malevolently at you.
You feel a threatening dark force very close to you.

[Danical]

Luckily Debia has a pretty decent TD for a warrior.

[Fallen]

Helps she wears a bajillion spells, and I told her ass to RUUUUUN

[AestheticDeath]

Seers cast Torment now. Be warned.

An Ithzir seer suddenly opens her eyes and stares directly at you!
CS: +411 - TD: +371 + CvA: -21 + d100: +89 - -5 == +113
Warding failed!
An Ithzir seer glares malevolently at you.
You feel a threatening dark force very close to you.

Nasty... Wonder if I should even go back.

[Danical]

You know, that's still nothing compared to an average Sentry that spawns with DC and a CS of 451.

[AestheticDeath]

You can survive DC, torment goes till your dead.

Though I suppose you could always put the thing on its back right quick, and he would lose some CS supposedly. OR you gain TD one.. I forget which it is. Thats your only hope is that you can make it backfire, or dispel it somehow. Would uncurse or something work?

[Fallen]

Or you can have a script which rings you to the portal and walks you through while in offensive. RUUUUN.

[AestheticDeath]

Thats true, distance helps ward it, not sure if more distance is better though. If you leave the actual hunting area through the portal - does that make the spell dissipate?

[Danical]

Thats true, distance helps ward it, not sure if more distance is better though. If you leave the actual hunting area through the portal - does that make the spell dissipate?

http://www.krakiipedia.org/wiki/Torment

[Meges]

This is the only log (that's obviously dated - November 21, 2003) I could find of my wizard going back that far. I kept it, I guess, because it was when GSIII changed to GSIV and I did this with most of my characters. I have other logs with CS shots and whatnot, but they could be from anytime, although, the level and CS "proves" it was before GSIV. Maybe this will shut you up. He was level 117/118 pre-GSIV, add the two levels worth of EXP and this is what the end product was. OTF critters started at level ~116(GSIII)/~82(GSIV). You do the math, okay? My wizard was in this level range for a long time, because of time constraints.


Meges

PS Sorry to keep harping on this, but I really wanted to address his accusations.

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Name: Absent, Clearly Race: Half-Elf Profession: Wizard (not shown)
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[Omens]

So does this mean they will Spirit dispell alot less ?

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An Ithzir seer suddenly opens his eyes and stares directly at you!
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Nope.

[Outdrsyguy1]

i think cloak of shadows should lash out upon being dispelled.

[Celephais]

i think cloak of shadows should lash out upon being dispelled.
Not to spark a third sorcerer thread but... like cloak of shadows isn't a powerful enough spell as it is?

[Fallen]

It does not respond to ANYTHING but straight AS/DS swings. No spells, no maneuvers, no bolts.

It is powerful, but it certainly isn't overpowered.

[Tea & Strumpets]

It does not respond to ANYTHING but straight AS/DS swings. No spells, no maneuvers, no bolts.

It is powerful, but it certainly isn't overpowered.


You say that as if it is isn't the most prevalent form of attack in the game -- altho I'll admit it isn't a pure's biggest problem.

And you forget that Mekthros talked Elnath into adding cloak of shadows to trigger on CMAN CUTTHROAT, effectively making sorcerors immune to the CMAN.

[Outdrsyguy1]

hehe, yeah, totally off topic but as a sorceror, as/ds cloak procs off swings don't make much of a difference because whenever my ds is low enough to get hit i've just gotten nailed by a maneuver and am stunned for quite a few rounds while the swarm beats me to death (which doesn't take long at all in leather)

[Celephais]

It does not respond to ANYTHING but straight AS/DS swings. No spells, no maneuvers, no bolts.

It is powerful, but it certainly isn't overpowered.
I wasn't calling it overpowered, I was calling it more than ample; not in need of improvement... it's one of the largest DS spells (is it the largest? .. 540 doesn't count) coupled with a handy TD bonus and a retribution chant, stackable large duration and in a circle that should be like level plus for CS anyway. In a 12th level slot.

I think the 100+ DS and a handful of TD coupled with the occasional life saver is pretty good... personally I'd say it's one of those spells you don't ask for more with just so you don't bring any attention to it and get it nerf-sticked. I admit it does suck when it gets dispelled to have all your eggs in one basket...

[Fallen]

It only does so much. Those spells that completely remove a status ailment, or lessen the severity of the hit taken are certainly more useful in a wider range of situations. Beseech, anyone?

[Fallen]

For people that like Cloak of Shadows, I recommend reactive armor. The stuff flares even when not stunned, AND can respond to bolt attacks. It also applies equally to offensive maneuvers, a boon for any square. It drains no mana from you, requires no training of any sort, and has 0% chance of backlash. Pretty good deal, especially for how cheaply it is obtained when looking at high-end PP services.

[Izzy]

Slightly off topic, but with Fallen's mentioning of flaring armor, I was curious whether or not it could activate with voln fu. I assume not, because fu is pretty amazing as is. But it is a physical contact type thing, like cmans and whatnot. Anyone confirm either way?

[Fallen]

Going to say no, but I certainly don't know for sure.

[Celephais]

It only does so much. Those spells that completely remove a status ailment, or lessen the severity of the hit taken are certainly more useful in a wider range of situations. Beseech, anyone?
So you're tempering a 12th level spell by saying a 35th level spell is situationally better? Like I said, I didn't call it all powerful, but if you compare it to other profession defensive spells in the same range...

712 - 113 DS, 30 SorcTD, retribution against AS/DS attacks
913 - probably the closest, 97 DS, 51 ETD, not in a great "CS" circle
313 - 75 DS at cap w/ 10 STD... "some manuever defense"
1109 - 75 DS at cap w/ 15 STD... 15 AS

Not expected to match but for comparison the hybrids:
613 - 66DS at cap and +20 TD (lores can improve)
1010 - 55DS at cap
1610 - just provides +20 DS w/ some lore bonus

So as you can see all the profession circles have different defensive spells around that level, Wizards have a pretty damn good one, but to maximize CS they'd only get 66 ranks of Wiz, and ETD isn't as desired at spiritual TD (halved ETD to get STD, vs 3/4 Sorc makes them pretty close on the STD front). It's pretty equatable, I just don't see it as needing some extra oofm when dispelled.

[drigore]

And you forget that Mekthros talked Elnath into adding cloak of shadows to trigger on CMAN CUTTHROAT, effectively making sorcerors immune to the CMAN.

Cutthroat doesn't stun, it's not effected in the least. Garotte on the other hand, stuns you, and you do get backlash from the CoS.

[Necromancer]

But not when it's from gremlocks =(

Plus, cutthroat changes also included stone skin and wall of thorns. It wasn't just a CoS issue.

[Fallen]

So you're tempering a 12th level spell by saying a 35th level spell is situationally better? Like I said, I didn't call it all powerful, but if you compare it to other profession defensive spells in the same range...

712 - 113 DS, 30 SorcTD, retribution against AS/DS attacks
913 - probably the closest, 97 DS, 51 ETD, not in a great "CS" circle
313 - 75 DS at cap w/ 10 STD... "some manuever defense"
1109 - 75 DS at cap w/ 15 STD... 15 AS

Not expected to match but for comparison the hybrids:
613 - 66DS at cap and +20 TD (lores can improve)
1010 - 55DS at cap
1610 - just provides +20 DS w/ some lore bonus

So as you can see all the profession circles have different defensive spells around that level, Wizards have a pretty damn good one, but to maximize CS they'd only get 66 ranks of Wiz, and ETD isn't as desired at spiritual TD (halved ETD to get STD, vs 3/4 Sorc makes them pretty close on the STD front). It's pretty equatable, I just don't see it as needing some extra oofm when dispelled.

The only reason the spell offers so much benefit is that it is the ONLY defensive spell in the 700's circle. They had to fit it all into 1 spell. Like you said, makes life a real bitch when it is dispelled. AND, the mana costs are sliding. You are aware of this, right? 712 maxed out costs 41 mana per pop.

What is the difference between all your DS from that circle coming from one spell that grows over time, or 2-3 spells that grow over time?

The only improvement I would see to CoS is that the spell responds to archery, and spell based bolt attacks. Elemental flaring armor does so, and if a set of armor imbued with cold can do it, I think a sentient demon living in the mana flows can figure this shit out too.

[Latrinsorm]

I think if I was enslaved by some goth/emo dirt elf I wouldn't be bothered to haul all the way across the room to punch someone either. (I mean goth/emo dirt elf in a good way!! :D)

[Fallen]

Haha. No, a cleric just whines to his patron who laughs at him and does nothing, while a paladin just whines and his patron gives him a get out of any bad situation for 35 mana button. If he STILL fucks up and dies, the Arkati will go love tap the bastard that killed him. A wizzie just goes back in time and dodges that shit.

I likes Divine Vengeance, as useless as it is.

[Celephais]

Scaling mana cost is negligable... the duration of the spell more than makes up for that (several of the ones I listed scale as well). Anyway of all people you know that sorcs most powerful defensive spell isn't 712... it's 714 ;-)