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Skeeter
11-28-2007, 10:12 PM
Outrage as Sudan charges teddy row teacher, Gillian Gibbons

Richard Beeston, Diplomatic Editor and Rob Crilly in Khartoum
Britain was trying to defuse a potentially explosive diplomatic row with Sudan last night, after a British teacher who allowed a teddy bear to be named Mohamed was charged with insulting Islam and inciting hatred. She is due to appear in an Islamic court today. The alleged crime is punishable by 40 lashes, a six-month jail sentence and a fine.

David Miliband, the Foreign Secretary, is expected to summon Omer Mohamed Ahmed Siddig, the Sudanese Ambassador to London, to the Foreign and Commonwealth Office today.

The Sudanese envoy will be told that corporal punishment against Gillian Gibbons, the 54-year-old teacher from Liverpool, is totally unacceptable. Britain is “reviewing its options” for retaliatory measures against Khartoum should Ms Gibbons be hurt. These could include the expulsion of Sudanese diplomats, tightening travel restrictions on the regime’s leading figures and cutting aid.

British diplomats said that they were determined not to allow the row to damage peace efforts in the troubled province of Darfur, where more than 20,000 United Nations peacekeeping troops are due to be deployed in the new year.

One possible compromise being explored last night would allow Ms Gibbons to go on trial. Instead of being punished, she could then be expelled from Sudan or granted a pardon by President Omar Bashir, the country’s hardline leader.

Yet with Islamic militants calling for mass demonstrations in Sudan, the situation threatened to get out of control. The mother of two spent her fourth night in jail yesterday after she was arrested at at Unity High School, an exclusive British-run school favoured by the Sudanese elite, for allowing her pupils to name a classroom teddy bear Mohamed.

British consular officials and colleagues visited Ms Gibbons in prison yesterday and reported that she was being well treated by the authorities.

Her arrest has provoked outrage among politicians, clerics and leaders of the British Muslim community, who rallied to her defence, but Islamic militants in Sudan have protested against her actions and demanded a maximum sentence for her crimes. She was arrested after some parents complained to the education authorities about the teddy bear’s name.

British officials said that they remained confident that the Sudanese authorities wanted to avoid aggravating the situation. If Ms Gibbons is flogged it would have serious diplomatic consequences for Sudan, affecting its relations with Britain, the European Union and moderate Arab states.

Key to the outcome could be the role of the British Muslim community, which has well-established links with Sudan. Dr Muhammad Abdul Bari, secretary-general of the Muslim Council of Britain, said he was “appalled” at yesterday’s decision, which he added “defied common sense”.

“There was clearly no intention on the part of the teacher to deliberately insult the Islamic faith,” said Dr Abdul Bari. “The children in Ms Gibbons’s class and their parents have all testified as to her innocence in this matter. We call upon the Sudanese President Omar al-Bashir to intervene in this case without delay to ensure that Ms Gibbons is freed from this quite shameful ordeal.”

Lord Steel of Aikwood, the former Liberal Party leader, said that he would raise the issue with Mr al-Bashir, when he meets him next week as part of an all-party mission to Sudan. “I hope the President of the country will have the authority to overrule these people and set her free,” he said.

Louise Ellman, the MP for Liverpool Riverside, Ms Gibbons’s constituency, said she was astounded by the criminal charges.

“It was hoped the matter could be resolved by diplomatic means,” she said.

Gan
11-28-2007, 10:16 PM
I love America.

Skeeter
11-28-2007, 11:35 PM
Apparently the students in the class elected to name the teddy bear mohammed after a kid in the class.

and ^^^ what Gan said.

Hips
11-29-2007, 12:32 AM
I read about this a couple days ago... I don't see how it's the teacher's fault if the students chose to name the bear.

Gelston
11-29-2007, 04:31 AM
I think its wring as well, but on the otherside, it may be the teacher's fault. If a bunch of kids in a US schools voted to name a Teddy Bear "Serial Whore Rapists Motherfucker" shouldn't it be up to the teacher to say "fuck no"? She should have had a bit of cultural awareness before she began teaching there. Having said that, the punishment is a bit harsh, but as is their custom. Its motherfucking Sudan. Ever seen Blackhawk Down?

Danical
11-29-2007, 04:55 AM
The bear was named after a kid in the class.

I don't get it; Mohamed, and all it's 14 variants, is one of the most popular names in the world.

Is it just the fact that people having the name Mohamed is cool but inanimate objects isn't?

I saw the South Park episode. I feel pretty informed.

What am I missing here?

Gelston
11-29-2007, 05:36 AM
I believe the "crime" is with naming an inanimate object mohammed. Its perfectly fine to name a living person after their prophet, but not a stuffed animal. Remember, they are the same people that threaten death just for drawing a picture of him.

Gelston
11-29-2007, 05:38 AM
And I know whats coming next... but.. People can bitch, moan, and complain, but this is ocurring in a place that is not America. They do not have freedom of speech, press, or religion. And guess what, most of the population is happy with that. Its the real fucking world, not some sugar coated place that most Americans grow up in. It may seem barbaric, it may seem wrong, and I agree, it is. Thats just the way shit is done there. Don't like it? Tough shit, sometimes there just ain't a goddamn thing you can do about it.

Methais
11-29-2007, 08:40 AM
sometimes there just ain't a goddamn thing you can do about it.

ORLY?
http://www.jaysnet.com/hydrogen-bomb.jpg

Daniel
11-29-2007, 08:41 AM
Ever seen Blackhawk Down?

That's Somalia. Different culture.

Daniel
11-29-2007, 08:42 AM
Is it just the fact that people having the name Mohamed is cool but inanimate objects isn't?


What am I missing here?

Nope. You got it. It's considered blasphemy to represent Mohammed in certain contexts. As an animal is one, in picture is another.

Daniel
11-29-2007, 08:43 AM
And guess what, most of the population is happy with that. .

Actually. A pretty significant part of the population is not happy about that.

Hence the "war".

Gelston
11-29-2007, 09:32 AM
Actually. A pretty significant part of the population is not happy about that.

Hence the "war".

Actually, the war has nothing to do with civil rights. It was over economic reasons and ancient tribal differences.

Oh, and I was completely drunk when I typed those other two posts this morning... Oh well.

Daniel
11-29-2007, 09:42 AM
Actually, the war has nothing to do with civil rights. It was over economic reasons and ancient tribal differences.

Oh, and I was completely drunk when I typed those other two posts this morning... Oh well.

Those Tribal differences being?

Gelston
11-29-2007, 09:45 AM
Read Sudanese history. You've never read a thing about the darfur conflict have you?

Daniel
11-29-2007, 09:50 AM
I actually work on the Sudan conflict.

Gelston
11-29-2007, 09:52 AM
Then you know of the several underlying causes, including economic pressures caused by drought in the Darfur regein (Supposedly caused by Global Warming) and ethnic and tribal differences between Darfur residents and the Sudanese Government.

TheEschaton
11-29-2007, 09:54 AM
I think Daniel is trying to imply that, like all tribal conflicts in Africa, most of the divisiveness in tribal conflicts were fomented, and often created out of whole cloth, by their white colonizers. And that there really is no basis in the tribal differences in Sudan, just white-created hatred of Other.

-TheE-

Daniel X
11-29-2007, 09:55 AM
.. I mean. What TheE said.

Daniel
11-29-2007, 09:56 AM
Then you know of the several underlying causes, including economic pressures caused by drought in the Darfur regein (Supposedly caused by Global Warming) and ethnic and tribal differences between Darfur residents and the Sudanese Government.

Yes. I do. I also reject the notion that all the people of Sudan would be in support of these sorts of things, re: your comment.

As the conflict is mostly drawn along Arab + Muslim \ African + Traditional lines.

Gan
11-29-2007, 10:13 AM
.. I mean. What TheE said.

The novelty of your inception has sadly run its course. :(

Daniel X
11-29-2007, 10:18 AM
I'll try and pretend to care.