WSG makes me crie

[Apotheosis]

Ok.. so, I've been playing alot of AB and WSG with my lvl 38 Druid, and while it seems that most AB PUGs seem to win (Horde side), I haven't been on a winning WSG pug in some time..

WTF is up with that? Any tip's / tactics you can offer / think of for winning WSG?

I do what I can to keep DPSers healed during battles debuff ally & root them, try to fuck up the other teams healers when I can, and have even held the flag for extended periods of time, it's just a major PITA.

[Drew2]

Yeah here's a tip. Start acting like a feral druid and run the fuckin flag instead of casting your piddly heals.

[Parkbandit]

Yeah here's a tip. Start acting like a feral druid and run the fuckin flag instead of casting your piddly heals.

EXACTLY.

Bullchip is my 39 twink druid who is the master of running a flag. That's all I do... RUN THE FLAG. If I've got SOME defensive support, I can run the flag pretty much solo... so we're talking 12-14 minute WSG wins.

Druids at 39 are not in WSG for dps.

Druids at 39 are not in WSG for healing.

Druids at 39 are THE top flag runner.. do your job.

[Nieninque]

When my druid was 39 and 49 she was hated by the Horde. And 60 come to that. We had a few regulars that logged on at the same time, and we owned BGs.

Key to being a good flag runner:

Get a decent team. It doesnt matter how good you are, if your team is constantly on the other side of the field, you are screwed if you are attacked.

Take up fishing and alchemy. Or befriend someone else that does. Free action potions are great at that level because shamans at level 39 have yet to have their index finger surgically attached to their purge button.

I honestly think that a better flag running spec is Resto with a little feral, although not sure how that would work at lower levels. Natures swiftness is a great Oh Shit heal when carrying a flag.

[Sean of the Thread]

To be honest apoth's druid has been doing better in wsg. Not to mention horde hardly looses in pug vs pug with POOOOHOOO in the bg.

I don't mean this in a derogatory manor but he is just learning the ropes. I've played quite a few with him now with him flag running and me supporting.

Only thing I would suggest is to get to a defensive position earlier with some peoples with you. I can't guard with you as that would be a waste of my keel keel keel.

Though I did have fun hanging midfield with you and mowing down everyone that tried to grab the flag from you.. problem is cost us quick caps a few times when we did get the flag back.

Fun times tho.

[Sean of the Thread]

When my druid was 39 and 49 she was hated by the Horde.

I hear that. I have people constantly gunning for me if they have a friend (still not a good idea) but 1v1 people generally run when they see the POOHO.

It's to the point where they just grief me by constantly killing my pet whenever possible and running. Fucking sucks and they do it on purpose.

[Apotheosis]

To be honest apoth's druid has been doing better in wsg. Not to mention horde hardly looses in pug vs pug with POOOOHOOO in the bg.

I don't mean this in a derogatory manor but he is just learning the ropes. I've played quite a few with him now with him flag running and me supporting.

Only thing I would suggest is to get to a defensive position earlier with some peoples with you. I can't guard with you as that would be a waste of my keel keel keel.

Though I did have fun hanging midfield with you and mowing down everyone that tried to grab the flag from you.. problem is cost us quick caps a few times when we did get the flag back.

Fun times tho.


Yeah, i'll stay closer to the flag next time.. I just like to stay around the groups so as not to get bombarded with 3 or 4 rogues....

In general when I do get the flag, I tend to hold onto it for awhile...
Free action potions, eh? I have an alchemist, what else do u recommend I make?

[Nieninque]

Just free action potions

[Apotheosis]

I hear that. I have people constantly gunning for me if they have a friend (still not a good idea) but 1v1 people generally run when they see the POOHO.

It's to the point where they just grief me by constantly killing my pet whenever possible and running. Fucking sucks and they do it on purpose.

Pooho's a badass hunter....

[Drew2]

Free action potions are great at that level because shamans at level 39 have yet to have their index finger surgically attached to their purge button.

I love lifebloom in this instance. Especially when I have like 3+ horde trying to kill me and one of them is a shaman spamming purge. An instant 1.5k heal every other second is hilarious.

[Axhinde]

Ahhh...WoW. Sometimes I miss it, mostly I don't. I actually miss missing it.

[Nieninque]

I love lifebloom in this instance. Especially when I have like 3+ horde trying to kill me and one of them is a shaman spamming purge. An instant 1.5k heal every other second is hilarious.

Oh yeah. Being healed back up to full by an idiot is great.

[Parkbandit]

Ahhh...WoW. Sometimes I miss it, mostly I don't. I actually miss missing it.

Hey man.. what are you playing nowdays?

[Daniel]

What's your toon's name? I'm a 39 rogue on Dunemaul and I've been trying to gather up those little medals before I hit 40. I'll run some with you tonight.

[Parkbandit]

What's your toon's name? I'm a 39 rogue on Dunemaul and I've been trying to gather up those little medals before I hit 40. I'll run some with you tonight.


Hit 40? Stay at 39.. join the Cobra Kai and destroy all in our way to BG Glory!

[Daniel]

It's my only character lol. What is Cobra Kai?

[Parkbandit]

It's my only character lol. What is Cobra Kai?

Twink guild. We have really well geared Shaman, hunter, warrior and druid. A rogue, with the right gear and spec is a pure dps beast at 39.

You spend alot of money grinding out gear and putting enchants on everything.. but holy shit, it's like you are wearing tier 24 gear against some of them that went into WSG and said "I think I'll see what this WSG thing is all about"

[oldanforgotten]

Twink guild. We have really well geared Shaman, hunter, warrior and druid. A rogue, with the right gear and spec is a pure dps beast at 39.

You spend alot of money grinding out gear and putting enchants on everything.. but holy shit, it's like you are wearing tier 24 gear against some of them that went into WSG and said "I think I'll see what this WSG thing is all about"

Twinking at 70 is more entertaining.
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[Sean of the Thread]

Twinking at 70 is more entertaining.

No it's not.

[oldanforgotten]

No it's not.

Premade AV's are by far the most fun.

19, 29, 39, 49 and 59, premades are going to win 99.99% of the time, just the same.

Relatively, at that level range, you're going to have twice or more than normal DPS, and about 70-80% more HP. More importantly, providing you know your class, and with the pvp experience, there isn't any challenge, really. There isn't a whole lot of variation you can throw up into a game.

WSG, AB, and EoTS lose their luster after domination with no real recourse, or chances for general fun.

Take a 40 man premade, and defend SH/IB until the other side is down. Then take GY to GY via attrition. There IS some level of challenge to it, even with 30+ in T6/T5, and the rest in T5/T4/PvP gear.

You can do things like summon the avatar, or try to 15 man Drek and hold every node at the end for added bonus.

If anything, the honor grind is easier at almost 1.2k honor per game in AV at 70
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[Daniel]

Twink guild. We have really well geared Shaman, hunter, warrior and druid. A rogue, with the right gear and spec is a pure dps beast at 39.

You spend alot of money grinding out gear and putting enchants on everything.. but holy shit, it's like you are wearing tier 24 gear against some of them that went into WSG and said "I think I'll see what this WSG thing is all about"


I'm down. I'm definitely one of those guys that is like "I'll see what this WSG thing is all about". I still Pwn pretty hard through compartively speaking.

Hit me up tonight and I'll see whats up. I don't have alot of time and I doubt I'd ever make it to 70 anyway.

[Nieninque]

I have a 35 lock that I will transfer to N00blawl when I get some spare money.

Then I too will join the Cobra Kai

[Parkbandit]

Twinking at 70 is more entertaining.

Three things denote a twink:

1) Best gear available for the level
2) Best enchants available on that gear for the level
3) Level ends in a 9 (like 19, 29, 39, etc...)

[Parkbandit]

I have a 35 lock that I will transfer to N00blawl when I get some spare money.

Then I too will join the Cobra Kai


What's it take you.. like 3 days to get to level 39? Isn't it easier and faster just to roll a new one for you?

[TheEschaton]

Heh, if you guys wanna gear me up, I'm at 22 with my rogue right now. Although if Daniel is already there, le crie for me.

-TheE-

[Trouble]

If anything, the honor grind is easier at almost 1.2k honor per game in AV at 70

How are you coming up with that number?

[oldanforgotten]

Three things denote a twink:

1) Best gear available for the level
2) Best enchants available on that gear for the level
3) Level ends in a 9 (like 19, 29, 39, etc...)

By traditional definition, sure, a twink bracket is 19,29,39,49, or 59, but that is only because it is relatively much easier to get the best gear for the level at those levels by buying off of the AH, and the gear is not as difficult to get. But twinking previously could be done at 60 and now at 70 with the best gear combinations.

The class imbalances relative to one another are definitely harder to overcome at 70 due to the fact that even in dungeon set 3, or kara gear, a decent warlock is going to hold their own against a prot tank in T6, whereas at 19/29/39, the right combination of gear will generally take skill out of the equation.

The effective level cap is more like 80, because a 70 in T6/T5 will equivalently feel like that to another class. And being more powerful than the traditional cap is the point of twinking.

At 29 and 39 specifically, rogues and hunters basically own the bracket. At 49, many other classes start to step into their own. MS warriors, locks, shadow priests, and elemental shaman in particular can be devastating.

I have a twink MS warrior at 49, and a rogue at 29. It is easier, but premades in T6 at 70, or in full arena gear, are equally strong relative to the norm.

In my PvP prot set and build, (5/21/35), I?ve got 18.7k health unbuffed, 24% dodge, 22% parry, 42% block, and 538 defense with a shade over 800 block value. I can DPS efficiently every couple minutes as needed with Death Wish (4-5k SS crits FTW), and most normally geared melee classes will find me just as hard to bring down as a strong 39 twink hunter or rogue.
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[oldanforgotten]

How are you coming up with that number?

It's the honor you can get around by killing everyone in the AV multiple times, combined with all the bonus honor from taking all of the objective cap points, keeping all of your cap points safe, and winning.

You can get up to 30 or so honor per opponent in the BG if you have good shares of up to 4 HKs on them.
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[Celephais]

... Twink means that you have gear that you didn't aquire just by yourself (purchase with your own gold). Generally it means a character geared by another higher level character. This also can apply to purchased gold.

[Nieninque]

What's it take you.. like 3 days to get to level 39? Isn't it easier and faster just to roll a new one for you?

I need another account to play horde on Dunemaul anyway. No way am I deleting my durid.

[Keller]

It's the honor you can get around by killing everyone in the AV multiple times, combined with all the bonus honor from taking all of the objective cap points, keeping all of your cap points safe, and winning.

You can get up to 30 or so honor per opponent in the BG if you have good shares of up to 4 HKs on them.


You can get a lot more than 30 considering there are no diminishing returns anymore.

Sometimes we get 5-6 people together, give a warrior the flag in WSG, and camp the alliance's GY. We average about 3.5-4k honor an hour.

[Trouble]

Do you have a link to something moderately official that states DR has been removed?

This is what I found on WoWwiki: "There is a diminishing return on multiple kills of the same player, which will reduce the honor received by 10%. After 10 kills that particular opponent will no longer yield any honor points when killed. This factor is reset daily, when the honor calculations are run on the servers."

http://www.wowwiki.com/Honor_point

[Celephais]

Do you have a link to something moderately official that states DR has been removed?

This is what I found on WoWwiki: "There is a diminishing return on multiple kills of the same player, which will reduce the honor received by 10%. After 10 kills that particular opponent will no longer yield any honor points when killed. This factor is reset daily, when the honor calculations are run on the servers."

http://www.wowwiki.com/Honor_point
This likely refers to non-battleground HKs.

[oldanforgotten]

You can get a lot more than 30 considering there are no diminishing returns anymore.

Sometimes we get 5-6 people together, give a warrior the flag in WSG, and camp the alliance's GY. We average about 3.5-4k honor an hour.

You?re right. You can probably get a lot more than 30 honor per target. Unfortunately, being a prot tank, my share of honor per kill is usually minimal. I get some thunderclaps in there, an occasional execute, and some whirls. I did think, however, that targets were honorless for xxx seconds or until they initiated combat with someone from the GY.
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[Axhinde]

Hey man.. what are you playing nowdays?

GS again. Don't start, I already know.

[Trouble]

Unfortunately, being a prot tank, my share of honor per kill is usually minimal. I get some thunderclaps in there, an occasional execute, and some whirls. I did think, however, that targets were honorless for xxx seconds or until they initiated combat with someone from the GY.

According to the official site, honor is divided equally amongst anyone who initiated combat with the target (either by direct action or indirect acton like healing).

But yeah I think you get the honorless target buff in WSG when rezzing, It's been months since I've done WSG though so I dunno.

[Parkbandit]

GS again. Don't start, I already know.

:rofl:

[oldanforgotten]

According to the official site, honor is divided equally amongst anyone who initiated combat with the target (either by direct action or indirect acton like healing).

But yeah I think you get the honorless target buff in WSG when rezzing, It's been months since I've done WSG though so I dunno.

Yea, that could be it. The last time we did a premade vs premade in AV, it was a hell of a fight. I?d have to say, all the talk about Alliance having a big advantage in AV is a myth. The SH bottleneck made us play defense at SH for a good 2 hours before we were able to push forward to IB, and the only way we were even able to cap there was by forcing probably ? of their team to have a rez timer.

It?s probably a lot harder on caps for me to get HK honor because I usually hang around the GY thunderclap spamming honorless targets to prevent them from being able to mount or drink.

If you?re on a PVP server though, one of the most entertaining things is to shut down a guild?s eye/SSC/hyjal raid for the night by selectively farming the crap out of them on their way in.
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