The meatrix

[Xcalibur]

http://www.themeatrix.com/

And to ease any tortured mind, i'll add a random picture of a good comic

[Betheny]

I hate when something looks cool but it turns into something that's politically charged and meaningful.

[Artha]

boohoo, boohoo.

[GSLeloo]

Hey it is actually sad if you think about it. Don't be such jerks... imagine living like that for a while, it's disgusting.

[Xcalibur]

Privilege of being on top of the food pyramid...

You could eat bugs, i heard they were treated right:lol:

[StrayRogue]

People are treated worse then that in some countries Leloo. Most people, like Artha, don't give a fuck. 1, because they don't see it, 2, because it doesn't happen in America, and 3, because they don't care.

[GSLeloo]

American indifference, right? I had to write something about that... how Americans basically don't care because they don't see it and as long as it doesn't affect their daily lives then it doesn't matter. Children are starving and dying in some countries, wars are going on, animals are being horribly mistreated but as long as they can live in their bubble then everything is fine and try and tell them about the horrors going on and they don't want to hear it.

[StrayRogue]

Originally posted by GSLeloo
American indifference, right? I had to write something about that... how Americans basically don't care because they don't see it and as long as it doesn't affect their daily lives then it doesn't matter. Children are starving and dying in some countries, wars are going on, animals are being horribly mistreated but as long as they can live in their bubble then everything is fine and try and tell them about the horrors going on and they don't want to hear it.

Not just American indifference. And its not all either. However, it is the majority. If it wasn't, things would be changed.

[Xcalibur]

Come on, there's such meat factories in England, in France, here, there, in all rich countries.

Will eating them 1 day after they were cloned is better?

[CrystalTears]

People have been eating meat from other animals since the stone age. There isn't a "nice" way of killing animals for food, and I'm not about to become a vegetarian. I am fully aware of what people do to farm animals for food, and I accept it because I loooove meat. If that makes me a horrible person, so be it.

[Drew2]

Michiko is hot.









I couldn't resist. :(

[Xcalibur]

There's the fact that back then, 500 years ago, 1000 years ago, 4000 years ago people weren't 6,5 billion on earth

We are many, we need to satisfy our many needs with our limited ressources(economy's basic law)

[GSLeloo]

It's not right to treat any form of life like that. If I ever thought I could do it, I would go and live on a farm and just live off the land.

[GSLeloo]

The message isn't to stop eating meat. It's about corporations taking over the small farms and mass producing meat and treating a lifeform like how they treat metal.

[Sean]

what would the cost of meat be if the corporations didnt run the show?

[Lord Deprav]

Originally posted by Xcalibur
There's the fact that back then, 500 years ago, 1000 years ago, 4000 years ago people weren't 6,5 billion on earth

We are many, we need to satisfy our many needs with our limited ressources(economy's basic law)

Thats why we should clone.

Deprav

[StrayRogue]

Originally posted by Tijay
what would the cost of meat be if the corporations didnt run the show?

So animals, and people should suffer, simply so you can life more comfortably and cheaper? Gotcha.

[Xcalibur]

There is bio stuff, 100% from earth, no special seeds, doesn't come from exploitation.. and it cost double too

There's exploitation EVERYWHERE, and on EVERYTHING.


And corporations are the reason why we all got a computer at a reasonnable price, why we have cars, wood, et cetera.

[Lord Deprav]

Originally posted by CrystalTears
People have been eating meat from other animals since the stone age. There isn't a "nice" way of killing animals for food, and I'm not about to become a vegetarian. I am fully aware of what people do to farm animals for food, and I accept it because I loooove meat. If that makes me a horrible person, so be it.

Lets not forget about the big brains animals have and all there feelings and emotion.

Deprav
Who likes meat, even meatheads.

[StrayRogue]

Originally posted by Xcalibur
There is bio stuff, 100% from earth, no special seeds, doesn't come from exploitation.. and it cost double too

There's exploitation EVERYWHERE, and on EVERYTHING.


And corporations are the reason why we all got a computer at a reasonnable price, why we have cars, wood, et cetera.

You need to read about Globalization.

[CrystalTears]

Big brains? :lol: They don't even know what's happening to them.

"Yellowdog doesn't even know what town he lives in!"

Okay stupid line from a stupid movie, but I think it's funny anyhoo.

[Xcalibur]

In all ends up as this:

You don't care as you have better things to care about (what's on tv tonight)

You care and you must take vitamines to complete your alimentation (and lot of fibers) hehe

As long as their exploitation of third-world countries, I think animals' right can be... delayed.

I'm sure a lot of countries of Africa would love to have such meat factories (if they don't have it in the first place).

(my post cointains 33 to 50% of exageration)

[Artha]

HEY, I just thought of something...WHY'D THEY GIVE THAT PIG PSYCHOACTIVE DRUGS?


If I ever thought I could do it, I would go and live on a farm and just live off the land.

Then, of course, you'd starve or be nice and hungry the first year weather wasn't right, or your crops got hit by a nasty virus.

And...omfg...I agreed with a few of strays posts.

Stray, WTF man?

[Lord Deprav]

Originally posted by Xcalibur

There's exploitation EVERYWHERE, and on EVERYTHING.


And corporations are the reason why we all got a computer at a reasonnable price, why we have cars, wood, et cetera.

Wow. Corporations are nothing more than a middle man. Thank your friends in third world countries for our computers.

Deprav
Who isn't bothered very much about third world countries.

[Skirmisher]

Leloo, while I applaud your sensitivity I think you may be missing what Tijay and others including (heaven help me) Xcalibur are saying.

We get to enjoy a certain quality of life because costs are kept down. People did not eat butter like we do today even 50 years ago due to cost.

You like to cook you said. Just imagine all the ingredients you would never be able to afford if everything were grown in a perfectly organic animal friendly manner.

It isnt that I want anyone or anything to live a less full life or to suffer simply because I am evil, but unless we can come up with some sort of compromise I am not about to go along with geometric increases in the price of food and other goods.

[GSLeloo]

I'm not against killing animals exactly. I just believe that they do deserve a certain quality of life. All life deserves that and even if they're being bred to be killed, they deserve to not suffer every moment they're alive until they die. It's not so much as saying it should all be organic and animal friendly... just give them something.

[Latrinsorm]

The question is: are the animals aware of their suffering? Are they self-conscious?

What I mean is, if they are unable to recall whatever happens to them, is it necessary to avoid whatever would make them suffer?

Take it from a cow's perspective. A cow would experience it's suffering. The next moment, when the suffering is removed, would the cow know that it had suffered? Would it be able to re-experience that suffering through memory?

Take if rom a person's perspective with severe retroactive amnesia. The amnesiac would experience it's suffering. The next momvent, when the suffering is removed, would the amnesiac know that it had suffered? Would it be able to re-experience that suffering through memory?

[theotherjohn]

Originally posted by Latrinsorm

Take it from a cow's perspective. A cow would experience it's suffering. The next moment, when the suffering is removed, would the cow know that it had suffered? Would it be able to re-experience that suffering through memory?


Cows and animals do remember pain. That is why a electric fense works.


If God did not want us to eat animals they would not be made of meat.

[GSLeloo]

Animals remember pain, as pointed out by someone else, that's how they learn to avoid things. Of course they remember, a lot of animals behave by learned behavior. My dog is aware that a oven mitt over her head means she will get smacked and she ducks her head. She knows a chair falling on her hurts and she runs from them. For humans to assume they are the only ones with emotions and that experience pain is ridiculous. Animals cry when caught in traps because they are in pain...

[Latrinsorm]

They remember experiencing pain, but do they remember the actual pain? That is my question.

I don't believe animals experience emotions. I cried when I stabbed myself in the finger. It was a knee-jerk reaction. There was no emotion (until later).

[GSLeloo]

Here's the real question... say animals do forget pain once it has passed, does that make it ok to subject them to an existence that is only pain until they are slaughtered for us to eat? Is that right?

[peam]

While I'm not the biggest fan of meat-factories, I'm too poor to buy free-range products. I'm not too big on hippie scum ideas of worthless protest, either so I'll just stick to eating what I can afford and picking up free-range products when possible.

[Edited on 12-7-2003 by peam]

steak=good

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by GSLeloo
Here's the real question... say animals do forget pain once it has passed, does that make it ok to subject them to an existence that is only pain until they are slaughtered for us to eat? Is that right?

I believe one of those is the question I originally posted. And the answers are Yes and Yes.

[SpunGirl]

If we aren't supposed to eat animals, why are they made out of meat?

-K

[GSLeloo]

Humans are technically made out of meat, why don't we eat them?

[Xcalibur]

ehh, leloo, my sweet cute lady

We DID eat humans before...

And we did eat humans for a long time.

Why don't we eat them anymore? Mamooth = what... 50 men?

[CrystalTears]

Because you just don't eat your own kind. Most animals don't eat their own either. Reminds me of the M&M commercial of Red, Yellow and Blue eating a bag of M&Ms and that guy that was on Seinfeld thinks it's disturbing. Heh.

[peam]

Puddy!

[Betheny]

Originally posted by GSLeloo
Humans are technically made out of meat, why don't we eat them?

I don't know about you, but I do.

[GSLeloo]

lol Maimara. I mean eat ... hmm.. how can I say it without being sexual. I don't think I can.

[Xcalibur]

Leloo, I am sure everyone beside Maimara thought about Meat, and not Penis.

:)

[Lord Deprav]

Originally posted by GSLeloo
Here's the real question... say animals do forget pain once it has passed, does that make it ok to subject them to an existence that is only pain until they are slaughtered for us to eat? Is that right?

Pavlov! or Pavlov? You decide.

Deprav