NFL Picks - Week 8

[Latrinsorm]

Indianapolis at Carolina
Cleveland at St. Louis
NY Giants at Miami
Philadelphia at Minnesota
Pittsburgh at Cincinnati
Detroit at Chicago
Oakland at Tennessee
Buffalo at NY Jets
Jacksonville at Tampa Bay
Houston at San Diego
New Orleans at San Francisco
Washington at New England
Green Bay at Denver

[Tsa`ah]

Indianapolis
St. Louis
NY Giants
Minnesota
Pittsburgh
Chicago
Tennessee
Buffalo
Tampa Bay
Houston
New Orleans
New England

Green Bay 31

Damn the schedule for making me not pick Carolina.

[chillmonster]

Indianapolis
Cleveland
NY Giants
Philadelphia
Cincinnati
Chicago
Tennessee
NY Jets
Tampa Bay
San Diego
New Orleans
New England
Denver

40

[Celephais]

Colts
Rams
Giants
Eagles
Bengals
Bears
Titans
Jets
Jaguars
Chargers
Saints
Patriots

Broncos
31

[Bobmuhthol]

Colts
Cards
Giants
Eagles
Bengals
Bears
Titans
Jets
Jaguars
Chargers
Saints
Patriots

Broncos
31

(14:46:00) Rachel Pwnz: What football team is in Cleveland?
(14:46:06) Latrinsorm: Browns
(14:46:08) Rachel Pwnz: What football team is in St. Louis?
(14:46:11) Latrinsorm: (did you seriously just ask me that?)
(14:46:12) Latrinsorm: The rams
(14:46:13) Latrinsorm: dude
(14:46:20) Rachel Pwnz: Look at Celephais' picks
(14:46:21) Rachel Pwnz: #2
(14:46:21) Latrinsorm: did Snapp hack your IM?
(14:46:22) Rachel Pwnz: THE CARDINALS.
(14:46:27) Latrinsorm: oh ok
(14:46:49) Rachel Pwnz: Celephais chose the ST. LOUIS CARDINALS over the Browns.

[Tsa`ah]

So he's late on franchise moves.

[Bobmuhthol]

Yeah, I guess 20 years isn't a big deal.

[Bobmuhthol]

Colts
Browns
Giants
Vikings
Bengals
Lions
Titans
Jets
Buccaneers
Chargers
49ers
Patriots
Broncos 42

[Drew]

Hahahaha awesome.

[Celephais]

God damnit... Celephais, the SN, the shop, it's all closed.

[Solkern]

Indianapolis
Cleveland
NY Giants
Minnesota
Pittsburgh
Chicago
Tennessee
NY Jets
Jacksonville at Tampa Bay(tough one here, I'll go jacksonville it gerrad is playing, if not i have to go with tampa bay) (am i allowed to do this? lol)
San Diego
New Orleans
New England
Denver

[RichardCranium]

Indianapolis
Cleveland
NY Giants
Minnesota
Cincinnati
Detroit
Oakland
NY Jets
Jacksonville
Houston
New Orleans
New England
Denver {45}

[Kembal]

ROFL at Celephais.

Indianapolis
Cleveland
NY Giants
Philadelphia
Cincinnati
Chicago
Tennessee
Buffalo
Tampa Bay
Houston
New Orleans
New England

Monday
Green Bay - 40

[Snapp]

Carolina
St. Louis
Miami
Philadelphia
Cincinnati
Detroit
Oakland
Buffalo
Jacksonville
San Diego
San Francisco
Washington
Denver

23

[Latrinsorm]

(tough one here, I'll go jacksonville it gerrad is playing, if not i have to go with tampa bay) (am i allowed to do this? lol)You have until gametime to make a decision either way. If no decision is made, it's exactly the same as no pick.

[Gallows Thief]

Carolina
Cleveland
NY Giants
Minnesota
Pittsburgh
Detroit
Oakland
Buffalo
Tampa Bay
San Diego
San Francisco
New England
Denver

43

[Anebriated]

Indianapolis
Cleveland
NY Giants
Philadelphia
Cincinnati
Chicago
Tennessee
Buffalo
Tampa Bay
San Diego
San Francisco
New England
Green Bay

38

[TheEschaton]

Thought ya might want to know, Gerard is apparently out for like a month.

[Anebriated]

Whats the status on MJD? If they still have the dual threat at RB ill keep the jags. Sad thing is I was watching that game monday night and just completely forgot he went down. All you can eat wings and $2 domestics for MNF = <3

[crazymage]

Indianapolis
Cleveland
NY Giants
Philadelphia
Cincinnati
Chicago
Tennessee
Buffalo
Tampa Bay
San Diego
New Orleans
-New England-
Denver - 37

[Ardwen]

Indianapolis
Cleveland
NY Giants can the dolphins end the season with only Ted Ginn left on offense?
Minnesota
Pittsburgh
Detroit
Tennessee
Buffalo Pennington is starting the jets will lose
Jacksonville
San Diego
New Orleans
New England
Green Bay

35

[RichardCranium]

I'm changing my pick to Tampa Bay over Jacksonville.

[Solkern]

yup tampa over jacksonville for me as well

[Atlanteax]

Indianapolis
Cleveland
NY Giants
Philadelphia
Cincinnati
Detroit
Tennessee
Buffalo
Jacksonville
San Diego
New Orleans
New England
Green Bay - 31

[TheEschaton]

Indianapolis
Cleveland
NY Giants
Minnesota
Pittsburgh
Chicago
Tennessee
Buffalo
Tampa Bay
San Diego
San Francisco
New England
Green Bay - 31

Oh, and just for good measure:
BOSTON COLLEGE

-TheE-

[Latrinsorm]

Indianapolis
Cleveland
NY Giants
Minnesota
Pittsburgh
Detroit
Tennessee
Buffalo
Jacksonville
San Diego
San Francisco
Washington
Green Bay - 23

[Drew]

Man TheE, it's too bad you're not an all-around Boston fan, it's an embarrassment of riches right now.

[TheEschaton]

Yeah, fuck the Patriots.

[Silvanostar]

Indianapolis
Cleveland
NY Giants
Minnesota
Pittsburgh
Chicago
Tennessee
NY Jets
Tampa Bay
San Diego
New Orleans
New England

Denver 30

[Alfster]

Indianapolis
Cleveland
NY Giants
Philadelphia
Pittsburgh
Chicago
Oakland
Buffalo
Tampa Bay
San Diego
San Francisco
Washington
Green Bay

38

[Augie]

Indianapolis
St. Louis
NY Giants
Philadelphia
Pittsburgh
Chicago
Tennessee
Buffalo
Tampa Bay
San Diego
New Orleans
New England
Green Bay

35

[RichardCranium]

No tie-breaker Augie?

[Sean of the Thread]

Her tie breaker is BUCS

[RichardCranium]

I'm almost tempted to switch back to Jacksonville.

[Sean of the Thread]

Tough game to decide on actually.

Will be a game time decision for myself.

[Latrinsorm]

I really don't get why anyone is picking Tampa Bay (though I recognize that by saying so they'll probably win by 30 points now). Jacksonville has a r0xx0r defense, Tampa Bay was a middling team even with Cadillac, and it's not like Gerrard was Johnny Montana Manning out there.

[Sean of the Thread]

Tampa is better without caddy.

And starting QB is a huge loss.

[RichardCranium]

Do you know where Quinn Gray ranks among QB's this year? Second to last. Their recievers are terrible. They have Taylor and MJD but it won't be enough.

[Soulpieced]

Indianapolis
Cleveland
Miami
Minnesota
Cincinnati
Chicago
Oakland
Buffalo
Tampa Bay
San Diego
New Orleans
New England
Green Bay

[Tsa`ah]

I really don't get why anyone is picking Tampa Bay (though I recognize that by saying so they'll probably win by 30 points now). Jacksonville has a r0xx0r defense, Tampa Bay was a middling team even with Cadillac, and it's not like Gerrard was Johnny Montana Manning out there.

I don't research my picks past the schedule and this is what I know.

The Jags lost to Tenn by 3, the Bucs beat Tenn by 3.

Both teams lost to the Colts, however ... The Bucs were able to throw 14 on the board and keep the game within 19 points. The Jags only put up 7 against the Colts' 29.

The who's who of injuries from either team ... to me doesn't matter much.

[Sean of the Thread]

I don't research my picks past the schedule and this is what I know.

The Jags lost to Tenn by 3, the Bucs beat Tenn by 3.

Both teams lost to the Colts, however ... The Bucs were able to throw 14 on the board and keep the game within 19 points. The Jags only put up 7 against the Colts' 29.

The who's who of injuries from either team ... to me doesn't matter much.

That is probably the worst way to handicap a game. Picking by color would be more accurate.

[RichardCranium]

You're supposed to pick by whose mascot would win in a fight.

[Sean of the Thread]

In that case I pick Oregon.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkbKjtuNJhQ

[Latrinsorm]

Do you know where Quinn Gray ranks among QB's this year? Second to last. Their recievers are terrible. They have Taylor and MJD but it won't be enough.Couldn't you have said pretty much the same thing about any Bears game last year?

A jaguar would rip a pirate's face off. JAX FTW.

[Sean of the Thread]

Dude pirates have swords and shit. Jaguars have pee stained tails.

[Tsa`ah]

That is probably the worst way to handicap a game. Picking by color would be more accurate.

Yet only, what, 2 games separate us?

[Sean of the Thread]

I didn't mean it offensively. Was just stating a fact.

And no I don't know our current standings as I don't follow this too closely.

[Tsa`ah]

I didn't take offense.

To me past records against shared opponents are more telling than looking at individual stats of sidelined players.

The Jags, for having a "r0xx0r" defense couldn't get past Tenn and only prevented 4 less points than TB against the colts.

Both teams have about the same scoring average (17.7 for TB, 17.8 for Jac), but defensively TB has given up 15.7 per while the Jags give up 14.5. Statistically, by schedule, they're too close ... thus going to shared opponents for the call.

[Anebriated]

Which is where I generally just pick the home team...


BTW, switching my pick to the Bucs.

[Sean of the Thread]

Yeah it's a tough game no doubt.

But my advice is to try and avoid looking at the "they beat them" etc arguments. Bad habit when prognosticating. BUT that being said do whatever works for you. It's tough to argue results.



Doesn't mean I don't want to piss in the girls coffee that picked because of color but ...

[Augie]

No tie-breaker Augie?

Oops! I forgot - I'll add it in..it's FL/GA weekend here in Jacksonville and I've been running my ass ragged at my hotels trying to make sure shit is in order.

Florida/Georgia fans blow big fat donkey dick when they get together in this city.

[Sean of the Thread]

I wish I was in JAX this year but my wife had to work today. Win or Lose I always have a fucking blast there except when I'm dodging bullets.

P.s. It's about the most tourism money you guys see every year so suck it up and wash some sheets.




*we usually bring an RV because the hospitality has a reputation of being real shitty.

[Augie]

I wish I was in JAX this year but my wife had to work today. Win or Lose I always have a fucking blast there except when I'm dodging bullets.

P.s. It's about the most tourism money you guys see every year so suck it up and wash some sheets.

Actually...the Alabama / FSU game had more people here than the Super Bowl or FL/GA weekend.

The AL/FSU fans were not nearly as crazy as the FL/GA ones. The FL/GA fans are seriously in-fucking-sane and they have been driving me up a wall. Tonight is going to be crazy here and I know my employees all have the Jacksonville Sheriff's Office on speed dial. Ahhh the joys of running 2 hotels.

[Sean of the Thread]

Like I said... FL/GA is your bread winner year in year out. The other two were flashes in a pan.

Lol yeah the police are going to be busy no doubt. With all the JAX citizens pulling armed robbery on the tourists as they do every year.

I think JAX has it on record that more violent crimes are committed on FL/GA weekend then any other day of the year... and not by the fans.



JAX is known as the black eye of the state for a reason.

[Doughboy]

Indianapolis
Cleveland
NY Giants
Philadelphia
Cincinnati
Chicago
Oakland
NY Jets
Jacksonville
Houston
San Francisco
New England
Green Bay - 43

[Stunseed]

Indianapolis
Cleveland
NY Giants
Philadelphia
Pittsburgh
Detroit
Tennessee
Buffalo
Jacksonville
San Diego
New Orleans
New England
Green Bay - 47

[Drinin]

Indianapolis
Cleveland
NY Giants
Minnesota
Cincinnati
Chicago
Tennessee
Buffalo
Tampa Bay
San Diego
New Orleans
New England
Denver--45

[Drew]

Indianapolis
Cleveland
NY Giants at (At. Har. Still a good year for it to happen, it was like a 1/8 refund on my season tix)
Minnesota
Pittsburgh
Detroit
Tennessee
Buffalo (terrible game, the beefalos are a weird team this year)
Tampa Bay
San Diego
New Orleans
New England
Green Bay 3

[Sean of the Thread]

Fucking europe is really going to think the NFL is a joke after watching the Dolphins play up front and personal.

[Apathy]

hangover... coffee goooooood....

Indianapolis
Cleveland
NY Giants (but let's face it the real winners are the fans LOL)
Minnesota
Pittsburgh
Chicago
Tennessee
Buffalo
Tampa Bay
San Diego
New Orleans
New England
Green Bay 37

[Sean of the Thread]

Patriots
49ers
Browns. FUCK THE RAMS.
Bears
Colts
Giants
Titans
Eagles
steelers
jets
chargers
bucs
Broncos 42

[TheEschaton]

Jets? Et tu, Xy?

[Sean of the Thread]

It's prolly one of the ones I feel best about. :(

[Drew]

I think it's a good pick, I would have taken them except I can just envision the Jets fans chanting "Clemens, Clemens" after Pennington makes a bad play and totally rattling him.

[Keller]

So I am watching the Giants v. Dolphins in Paris and everytime the French announcers say "Amani Toomer", I can't help but think of Arnold in Kindergarten Cop.

[TheEschaton]

HOW BOUT THEM BILLS?

I have to say, what's up with Losman throwing the TD? Is Edwards hurt? They're showing the absolutely ridiculous spanking the Pats are putting on the Redskins, so they can't show another game on NBC.

-TheE-

[Latrinsorm]

I never want another person to get hurt...

...but I would not be brokenhearted if a number of Patriots starters got hurt playing while they were up by 5 scores.

.

In a similar vein, it's really disappointing to see Brady playing along with this, as he really seemed to be a stand up guy before this year.

[Androidpk]

Games not over yet, skins are catching up! ;D

[Augie]

WOOOOOOOOOOOO! GO BUFFALO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Muahahahaha! I :heart: my team.

And yay for the Dolphins remaining consistent. I think my mom is gonna kick my ass over Thanksgiving because I was ragging on her about them today.

[Sean of the Thread]

Wow .. just wow.

[TheEschaton]

I hear the Bills game was a total snooze fest though. One TD for 85 yards, and the rest of it was just a boring ass 6-3 game.

[Sean of the Thread]

I'm sad there isn't a SNF game.


wtf am I going to do. I guess I can goto bed a reasonable hour for once.

[TheEschaton]

You can watch the Sox clinch the World Series.

[RichardCranium]

I know I am.

[Apathy]

In a similar vein, it's really disappointing to see Brady playing along with this.

Brady playing along with winning? What are you talking about?

[Latrinsorm]

Pretty impressive week.

12-0(!): Stunseed
11-1: Ardwen, Atlanteax
10-2: Drew
9-3: Sergey, Latrinsorm, Augie, Apathy
8-4: chillmonster, Celephais, Solkern, Kembal, Anebriated, Eschaton, Silvanostar, Drinin, Sean2
7-5: Tsa`ah, Bob, Gallows Thief, Alfster
6-6: RichardCranium, Soulpieced (more than doubling his career total! kudos!), Bisco
5-7: Snapp

Top three all have the Packers.

[Latrinsorm]

Brady playing along with winning? What are you talking about?Playing along with running up the score.

[Sean of the Thread]

You can watch the Sox clinch the World Series.

I've got a rather large bet on it actually.


If they fail... I'll double next game... until they win. No brainer.

If not I've already got them for the series are +180. this is a great situation to be in.

[RichardCranium]

I'm 7-5 not 6-6.

[Sean of the Thread]

You're 4-8 actually.

[Ardwen]

How the hell did Stun go 12-0? sheesh

Did anyone tell the redskins to bring the defense to foxboro too?

[Stunseed]

I've just been super busy IRL.

Looking at other potential jobs and such, and finally had some time to pick. Sah-weet.

[Sean of the Thread]

I think it's called luck.

[Stunseed]

Heh, obviously because Sergey is whipping my ass in the PC fantasy league.

Also, I didn't pick but I won 9 and 8 if I had picked the past two weeks. Sucks to be me. :(

[Latrinsorm]

I'm almost tempted to switch back to Jacksonville.You're 6-6.

[RichardCranium]

Fuck me.

[Drew]

So I am watching the Giants v. Dolphins in Paris and everytime the French announcers say "Amani Toomer", I can't help but think of Arnold in Kindergarten Cop.


Hah, that's funny because I'm compelled to yell "It's not a tooma!" whenever I hear his name in English, forget about French.

[Anebriated]

Straight Wager 10/27/07 22:14 ET
Result: Wager Won
Steelers(Pittsburgh) 24
Bengals(Cincinnati) 13 10/28/07(13:05 ET)
Steelers(Pittsburgh) -4

Straight Wager 10/27/07 22:04 ET
Result: Wager Won
Jaguars(Jacksonville) 24
Buccaneers(TampaBay) 23 10/28/07(16:10 ET)
Jaguars(Jacksonville) +3.5 (-105)

Straight Wager 10/27/07 22:04 ET
Result: Wager Lost
Giants(NewYork)(N) 13
Dolphins(Miami)(N) 10 10/28/07(13:05 ET)
Giants(NewYork)(N) -9.5 (-115)

Straight Wager 10/28/07 00:26 ET
Result: Wager Won
Colts(Indianapolis) 31
Panthers(Carolina) 7 10/28/07(13:05 ET)
Colts(Indianapolis) -7

Had a good night in the NHL too :D

[Apathy]

Playing along with running up the score.

The NFL is not little league baseball, there's no mercy rule. They get paid to play hard for 60 minutes, so that's what they do.

IF the Pats beat Indy next week, we might very well be watching the best football team ever. (barring any odd news or a weather change, I will be picking Indy)

[Ardwen]

weather change in a dome?

[Sean of the Thread]

The NFL is not little league baseball, there's no mercy rule. They get paid to play hard for 60 minutes, so that's what they do.

IF the Pats beat Indy next week, we might very well be watching the best football team ever. (barring any odd news or a weather change, I will be picking Indy)

DOME DOME DOME.



I still think they should take out the studs a little earlier up by that much. Just takes 1 play to fuck it all up forever.

[Sean of the Thread]

weather change in a dome?

Thermostat adjustments duh.

[Sean of the Thread]

One of these may or may not make TheE happy.

Single # xxx
Football - NFL Lines (Game) Pointspread
(217) Buffalo Bills +3 (-120) Sun@4:05p

Final Scores
Buffalo Bills 13
New York Jets 3
Outcome:Win

Single # xxxxx
Football - NFL Lines (Game) Total
(213) Philadelphia Eagles vs. (214) Minnesota Vikings Under 37½ Sun@1:00p

Final Scores
Philadelphia Eagles 23
Minnesota Vikings 16
Outcome:Loss stupid fucking fg

Single # xxx
Football - NFL Lines (Game) Total
(207) Indianapolis Colts vs. (208) Carolina Panthers Under 44½ Sun@1:00p

Final Scores
Indianapolis Colts 31
Carolina Panthers 7
Outcome:Win

Single # xxx
Football - NFL Lines (Game) Total
(209) New York Giants vs. (210) Miami Dolphins Under 47½ Sun@1:00p

Final Scores
New York Giants 13
Miami Dolphins 10
Outcome:Win


Single # xxx
Football - NFL Lines (Game) Pointspread
(211) Oakland Raiders +7 (-105) Sun@1:00p

Final Scores
Oakland Raiders 9
Tennessee Titans 13
Outcome:Win


DON'T LOOK AT THIS ONE JUST TURN AWAY PRETEND IT'S A DREAM

Single # xxxx
Football - NFL Lines (Game) Pointspread
(204) St. Louis Rams +3 (-115) Sun@1:00p

Final Scores
Cleveland Browns 27
St. Louis Rams 20
Outcome:Loss

[Tsa`ah]

No shit, I still can't believe I pick the Rams this week. I believe my reasoning was the "statistical probability of an 8-0 record".

I can handle TB losing by 1, I knew it was going to be a close game. I can handle the Vikings going down to the Eagles .. I just could not get a read. Houston getting blown out, I expect a blowout one direction or the other and flipped a quarter. Chicago going down ... par for course with team loyalty. Picking St Lou .... wtf was I thinking.

[TheEschaton]

Haha, you bet on the Bills, but picked the Jets here? Crazy, mano.

[Apathy]

weather change in a dome?

Weather change on my island.

[Sean of the Thread]

Haha, you bet on the Bills, but picked the Jets here? Crazy, mano.

lol I do that a lot if you haven't noticed. This pool doesn't matter as much as my wallet. Jets were a safer pic in the pool as far as losing ground.

[Latrinsorm]

The NFL is not little league baseball, there's no mercy rule. They get paid to play hard for 60 minutes, so that's what they do.They're expected to play like sportsmen. That what they "get paid" for is considered to supercede this is a travesty.

It's appropriate that you brought up little league, because the reason such a rule is needed is because no one can expect 12 year olds to stand up to asshole coaches. Are there 12 year olds on the Patriots?
IF the Pats beat Indy next week, we might very well be watching the best football team ever. (barring any odd news or a weather change, I will be picking Indy)Which is all the more reason they should play the game the right way. It's not like the Redskins were mustering a 35 point comeback but 42 points really took the fight out of them.

[TheEschaton]

Unlike the BCS, there is no reason to run up the score. It's like, the fifth tie breaker. There was no way the Redskins were coming back from 38-0, the scoring of two more TDs and going for fourth downs on those drives, is completely classless.

-TheE-

[Sean of the Thread]

Not as classless as UGA crashing the field after their first touchdown but anyways.


IN the pros I feel it's everyones job to play the game. It's their job to stop them. It's their job to score. Vice versa. I do feel they should have ran the ball more at the very least.

I also feel they should have taken out the studs... that's just dumb shit. Not that I wish anyone to get hurt but I can't wait till Brady gets nailed with a torn acl when up by 38 points for no reason.

And I hate the patriots.

[Tsa`ah]

They're expected to play like sportsmen. That what they "get paid" for is considered to supercede this is a travesty.

It's appropriate that you brought up little league, because the reason such a rule is needed is because no one can expect 12 year olds to stand up to asshole coaches. Are there 12 year olds on the Patriots?Which is all the more reason they should play the game the right way. It's not like the Redskins were mustering a 35 point comeback but 42 points really took the fight out of them.

It's a poor analogy.

Little league through college, at some point you start rotating people in that would never see playing time under normal competition. In the NFL they're professionals. Pay is often commiserate of performance, aka stats.

Sportsmanship and class are confined to the rules of the game and, at least to me, not playing dirty.

Let's not forget the fact that the goal is to win. Why exactly would an NFL team let up on another NFL team just because they have a 38 point lead going into the 4th? Are you suggesting they leave the door open for a comeback? Didn't Detroit muster a 30+ point run in the fourth in week 4?

Take the "poor sportsman" crap and use it when relevant.

[TheEschaton]

Against the fucking BEARS.

[Tsa`ah]

It doesn't matter who it was against. The prospect for rally is always there. It doesn't matter if you're the Pats or Colts, or the Rams or Aints.

Washington isn't exactly an incompetent team.

The point you missed is that these are professionals, as a pro you do not give the opposition opportunities. Your job is to win, you do it by shutting them down, closing the doors, and putting points on the board at every opportunity. That's what the Pats did.

[Latrinsorm]

It's a poor analogy.It wasn't an analogy. I was pointing out how Little League needs such a rule because there aren't necessarily grownups involved and (here's the key) how the NFL ought to be different. That this kind of thing is so rare makes my case for me: even Peyton Manning sat in 2004.
Are you suggesting they leave the door open for a comeback?Are you listening to yourself? A 38 point lead leaves the door open for a comeback?
Didn't Detroit muster a 30+ point run in the fourth in week 4?34, to be precise, only 21 points of which were scored on offense (the rest on an INT return and an onside kick return).

Food for thought: no team has ever come back from a more than 28 (that's twenty-eight) point defecit to win (regular season). Only two teams have ever scored more than 38 points in a quarter and it hasn't been done since 1950.
putting points on the board at every opportunity.The Patriots had two opportunities to kick a field goal on fourth down and chose to go for it (from the 7 and 37 respectively). From the 37 is a pretty long field goal, but passing up a field goal from the 7 to gamble on scoring a touchdown contradicts your proposed plan of action.

[TheEschaton]

The Bills came back from 32 points down in a quarter and a half. But it was in the playoffs, and it was against Warren Moon, who sucks badly.

[Alfster]

I find it funny that people are butthurt by the idea of the patriots running up the score. I personally kept watching the game hoping that Brady would get hurt.

I hate the patriots, but I also agree that in pro sports...if you don't want the score run up on you then you probably should stop the other team from scoring. They get paid to score points.

[Tsa`ah]

It wasn't an analogy. I was pointing out how Little League needs such a rule because there aren't necessarily grownups involved and (here's the key) how the NFL ought to be different. That this kind of thing is so rare makes my case for me: even Peyton Manning sat in 2004.

Good for Dungy and Manning maybe? Different team, different philosophy. Let's say next week the Colts have the pats down by 30 going into the fourth, do you think they're going to let up? Do you think Manning is going to bench himself or allow himself to be benched?

You don't change your philosophy from game to game, not in the pros. You take the opportunities, you close down the opposition. If that means going for it on 4th and short, or 4th and goal ... you do it. Why settle for 3 when you know you can convert for 6?

Why willingly let go of bargaining stats unless you're completely satisfied?


Are you listening to yourself?

I am, I'm just blown away that people are crying about a pro team trying to wreck the scoreboard. I'd say you had a legitimate argument if this were college or lower ... but it's the pros. It's their job. Do you think a state prosecutor is going to let up because the defendant has no case, no chance? Fuck no, they're going to put as many nails in the coffin as possible. A contractor is going to raise a bid because a smaller contractor can't compete? Hell no ... it's fucking life.


A 38 point lead leaves the door open for a comeback?34, to be precise, only 21 points of which were scored on offense (the rest on an INT return and an onside kick return).

Are you listening to yourself now? That it has been done is door enough ... close it. That's what they did. On the field you're not going over league history, stats, and statistical probability. It's get the ball across the goal line, keep them from doing it. Anything else is conversation for after the game. If you're up by 57, with possession and 4 minute in the 4th ... you go for 64. That's what you're paid to do. A coach with half a brain would get the second string some playing time ... then again you can't accuse Belichick of having less than half a brain, just a lapse in good judgement.


Food for thought: no team has ever come back from a more than 28 (that's twenty-eight) point defecit to win (regular season). Only two teams have ever scored more than 38 points in a quarter and it hasn't been done since 1950.The Patriots had two opportunities to kick a field goal on fourth down and chose to go for it (from the 7 and 37 respectively). From the 37 is a pretty long field goal, but passing up a field goal from the 7 to gamble on scoring a touchdown contradicts your proposed plan of action.

You don't understand the job description apparently. Score, prevent them from scoring. It's a pretty simple concept. If going on 4th and short, or 4th and goal isn't a huge "gamble", then you do it. Teams do it while ahead all the time. The disparity in the score should make no difference. Have they never done it before? Will they never do it again? Or will they only do it with 30 point lead in the 4th? You make no sense.

Seriously, cry over college games ... it makes more sense.

[Apathy]

It's appropriate that you brought up little league, because the reason such a rule is needed is because no one can expect 12 year olds to stand up to asshole coaches. Are there 12 year olds on the Patriots?

I'm not sure where you're going with this question; I will explain to you why I brought up little league but switching back to football.

If you watch NCAAF or your high school team, you can see those kids who are miles ahead of everyone else, more athletic etc. Then you have to realize how many of these athletes fizzle out and can't make it in the NFL. It's not that they can't hang with the starters, they can't hang with the 3rd string aka practice squads.

That is how good these athletes are we are watching. EVERY single starter in the NFL is amazing (yes, even Aaron Brooks was, relatively speaking). EVERY player is an incredibly gifted athlete. And the NFL does a good job of parity with its salary cap.

If a team gets crushed, the blame falls on the losers, not the winners.

or in meanspeak: Get your momma to kiss your skinned knee, quit crying, quit bitching, and get back out there and win.

[Drew]

Just traded for Brady and Moss in my fantasy league. Although I think it's totally classless, I'm all for it now!

[Anebriated]

Just traded for Brady and Moss in my fantasy league. Although I think it's totally classless, I'm all for it now!

Im curious as to what you had to give up for them.

[Drew]

Im curious as to what you had to give up for them.

Donald Driver/Marvin Harrison/Shaun Alexander/Roddy White/Stephen Gostkowski

[Latrinsorm]

Let's say next week the Colts have the pats down by 30 going into the fourth, do you think they're going to let up? Do you think Manning is going to bench himself or allow himself to be benched?Absolutely.
Why settle for 3 when you know you can convert for 6?There are no "knows" in the NFL, especially not for fourth down conversions. It's a gamble to score more points: running up the score.
Do you think a state prosecutor is going to let up because the defendant has no case, no chance?It's a game, you realize.
If you're up by 57, with possession and 4 minute in the 4th ... you go for 64.I'm not saying you kneel it out starting in the fourth quarter. If you really wanted to win, you'd run out the clock by running rather than passing. The only way to guarantee the other team loses is to have 00:00 on the scoreboard and more points.
Teams do it while ahead all the time.Let's see you cite 3 cases from this year not involving the Patriots.
If a team gets crushed, the blame falls on the losers, not the winners.The question isn't the margin. The question is the behavior of the teams (including the coaching staff): we all know the Patriots are good enough to win with class, so why not?

[Sean of the Thread]

Donald Driver/Marvin Harrison/Shaun Alexander/Roddy White/Stephen Gostkowski

Wow

[Anebriated]

Did you at least give them a reacharound?

[Skeeter]

Quite the finish to the packers game. I'll just need one play in OT thank you.

[Tsa`ah]

It's a game, you realize.

To you and I sure ... outside of that you are absolutely wrong.
It's a job, profession, means of income to the people on the field, on the sideline, and in the background.

It is not a game in the terms you wish to define it.


I'm not saying you kneel it out starting in the fourth quarter. If you really wanted to win, you'd run out the clock by running rather than passing. The only way to guarantee the other team loses is to have 00:00 on the scoreboard and more points.

And when you become the head coach of an NFL team you can bring that philosophy ... until then it's what you would do as a butt hurt fan.

That's not their philosophy, that's not their game. You call it running up the score, some will agree with you ... mostly people who don't play in the NFL or have association with it. To me they did their job. They scored, they prevented the opposition from doing the same ... job done. Nothing more nothing less.


Let's see you cite 3 cases from this year not involving the Patriots.

Why this year. You want to site history ... use history. It's been done, and I'd guess probably more than 100 times in the last decade.

[Anebriated]

Nice game

[Anebriated]

Straight Wager 10/29/07 00:38 ET
Result: Wager Won
Packers(GreenBay) 19
Broncos(Denver) 13 10/29/07(20:45 ET)
Packers(GreenBay) +150

Straight Wager 10/28/07 00:41 ET
Result: Wager Won
Packers(GreenBay) 19
Broncos(Denver) 13 10/29/07(20:45 ET)
Under 43

Parlay (2 Teams) 10/28/07 00:40 ET
Result: Wager Won
Packers(GreenBay) 19
Broncos(Denver) 13 10/29/07(20:45 ET)
Under 43
Packers(GreenBay) 19
Broncos(Denver) 13 10/29/07(20:45 ET)
Packers(GreenBay) +155

[Apathy]

Goddamn I :love: Favre.

GO PACK GO

[Drinin]

I didn't want to bet against Favre, but I did. Damnit.

[Sean of the Thread]

Date settled:
Oct 29, 2007 11:39p
2 Team Parlay # xxx
Football - NFL Lines (Game) Pointspread
(229) Green Bay Packers +3 (-115) Mon@8:30p
Final Scores
Green Bay Packers 19
Denver Broncos 13

Football - NFL Lines (Game) Total
(229) Green Bay Packers vs. (230) Denver Broncos Under 44 Mon@8:30p
Final Scores
Green Bay Packers 19
Denver Broncos 13
Outcome:Win

Date settled:
Oct 29, 2007 11:38p
Single # xxxxxxxxxx
Football - NFL Lines (Game) Pointspread
(229) Green Bay Packers +3 (-115) Mon@8:30p

Final Scores
Green Bay Packers 19
Denver Broncos 13
Outcome:Win

[Anebriated]

The people demand standings!

[Anebriated]

Sean, did you really think the game was going to be decided by 3 points? I didnt see a reason to bet on the line considering how different the juice was. +3 running at -115, straight up running at +150/+155. The only reason the Denver Pitt game was decided by a field goal was because Pitt beat themselves.

[Sean of the Thread]

Doesn't matter. NFL points are points are points are points. IT'S SERIOUS BUSINESS.

MOST of the time I'll take the points in the NFL.. 90% plus of the time prolly. It's just plain smart. My wallet agrees.

NCAA is another story.

[Anebriated]

Yeah, I almost took the line until I saw that the money was at +155... I was already thinking GB takes it so why not. Plus its not called gambling for nothing.

[Drew]

Did you at least give them a reacharound?



Haha no but I play him week 10 which is the Pats bye week so I changed a loss for him to a loss for me. That's about it though.

[Tsa`ah]

GB was a safe pick, but with 103 lost yards over 13 penalties .... and then Denver pulling the push for OT ... I was a little worried.

All I have to say is Cutler is going to be the terror of the league in years to come, if not next year, if he keeps this pace going.

[Latrinsorm]

Congrats to Stun on the undefeated week. Rarified company up there.
It's a job, profession, means of income to the people on the field, on the sideline, and in the background.They're expected to play like sportsmen. That what they "get paid" for is considered to supercede this is a travesty.

I didn't really think I'd ever see someone besides Scott Boras glorifying the commercialism of sports.
They scored, they prevented the opposition from doing the same ... job done. Nothing more nothing less.Ok, I get what the problem is now. "Sportsmanship" isn't just "not breaking any rules". The point of "sportsmanship" is to play the game in a "sporting" manner, or to have a certain level of respect for the players on both sides, the game, and its traditions. As such, examples of poor sportsmanship include but are not limited to: complaining about a loss for no reason other than it was a loss, excessive braggadocio following a win, or running up the score.
Why this year.Honestly, I picked a time period pretty much at random. I knew you hadn't done and wouldn't do the research to back up your claim. :shrug:
The people demand standings!Today is busy for me. I'll have them either late tonight or tomorrow.

[Anebriated]

Note to self, tail stun's picks when he has time to pick...

[Tsa`ah]

They're expected to play like sportsmen. That what they "get paid" for is considered to supercede this is a travesty.

I didn't really think I'd ever see someone besides Scott Boras glorifying the commercialism of sports.

And that is your opinion. I fail to see how their actions were unsportsmanlike ... and you fail to prove it was.


Ok, I get what the problem is now. "Sportsmanship" isn't just "not breaking any rules". The point of "sportsmanship" is to play the game in a "sporting" manner, or to have a certain level of respect for the players on both sides, the game, and its traditions. As such, examples of poor sportsmanship include but are not limited to: complaining about a loss for no reason other than it was a loss, excessive braggadocio following a win, or running up the score.

Again ... in your opinion. To me, professionals putting on kiddy gloves for the opposition is a bigger sign of disrespect than pushing for a higher score. A team that gives up on it's opposition has no respect ... thus lacks sportsmanship. This is my opinion of course. Scores get run up all the time in various levels of competition and in a myriad of sports. If the whole of game was played by the rules sans trash talking .... sportsmanship gets hairsplit ad nauseam. If the tables were turned (washington running the score up on NE) I doubt you would have said anything.


Honestly, I picked a time period pretty much at random. I knew you hadn't done and wouldn't do the research to back up your claim.

Back up my claim? Do you not pay attention to the games you watch ... or is this just another selective piece of bullshit you want to spew. Research is it yourself ... obviously you can't back up your own claim or counter claim.

[Anebriated]

Alright this is a really stupid argument. If the Redskins wanted the Pats to stop scoring then maybe they should try to actually stop them. Every player on that field is getting paid to either put points on the board or keep points off the board. If someone isnt getting their job done then they need to replace them.

[Stunseed]

Note to self, tail stun's picks when he has time to pick...


I normally do pretty well during a season. Last year was a down year for me percentage-wise, but when I've got enough time to devote to the hobby, it's a considerably different thing.

That being said, two of this week's games were so close (Ten/Oak and Jax/TB ) that I just went with my gut instinct.

[Sean of the Thread]

AT least my perfect week wasn't a 13 gamer. :P



Grats.


(Mine week perfect week was still better BEOTCH)


(ps fuck jacksonville.)

[Stunseed]

Yours was also earlier in the season, if I recall. I may be talking out of my ass on it, I thought yours was week 4 or somesuch.

Thanks, btw. Hopefully that'll raise my average a lil bit.

[RichardCranium]

Where's the season stats to be posted after week 8?

[Latrinsorm]

To me, professionals putting on kiddy gloves for the opposition is a bigger sign of disrespect than pushing for a higher score.If you want to call "running the ball" or "resting starters" "putting on kiddy gloves", there's really no point in pursuing this further.
Scores get run up all the time in various levels of competition and in a myriad of sports.a) "everyone else is doing it" didn't even cut it in Little League.
b) Is this "all the time" like how teams go for it on fourth down while winning "all the time" (aka you have no idea how often it actually is)?
If the tables were turned (washington running the score up on NE) I doubt you would have said anything.Your doubt is misplaced.
Back up my claim?Yeah, you know. Empirical data, that kind of thing. I'll be a sport and look it up for you, stay tuned.

Xyelin's masterpiece was week 5. Season stats will be posted tomorrow.

[Latrinsorm]

RECAP (eligibility at 83 potential picks)

Stunseed: 70.5%
Ardwen: 66.4%
Apathy: 66.1%
Drew: 64.5%
Elrodin: 63.8%
Atlanteax: 63.5%
Sergey: 62.1%
Xyelin: 61.7%
Drinin: 61.2%
Augie, Latrinsorm, Tsa`ah: 60.3%
Silvanostar, Solkern, Eschaton: 58.6%
Peam: 58.0%
Alfster, Bisco: 56.9%
Gallows Thief: 56.0%
Celephais, RichardCranium: 55.2%
Bob: 52.3%
Snapp: 45.7%

[RichardCranium]

Sorry I asked.

[Anebriated]

Elrodin: 63.8%

word

[Ardwen]

damn Stunseed needs to get mauled next week!

[Latrinsorm]

Sorry I asked.Well played. :D

As to "going for it on fourth down":

Teams have attempted a fourth down conversion 202 times so far this season. Of these, 42 were by the at-the-time winning team and not a botched punt or a kneel or something. Of these, 19 (by eight teams) were attempted within current average field goal range (on the opposing team's 32 or closer). Of these, 8 were by the Patriots; hence, minus the Patriots it occurs about once a week. (I'm sure Tsa`ah will claim that "once a week" is what "all the time" means in his opinion.)

In terms of lead at the time, the Patriots are the only team to attempt a fourth down conversion when leading by 18 or more points and have done so on three separate occasions, leading by 45, 38, 31 and from the 37, 7, and 8 respectively. In terms of a team leading by more than a score and going for it, the Patriots represent 8 of the 17 attempts.

[Drew]

No wonder Tsa'ah is trying to get my percentages lower, he's tied with Augie!

[Snapp]

I demand a recount. :( My method of picking can't be flawed!