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Fallen
10-19-2007, 11:47 PM
Regarding Khaladon · on 10/19/2007 10:13:50 PM 1569


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Hi Folks...

First off, I'd like to say that we hear what you're saying. We understand that Khaladon was an exceptional GM, who contributed a great deal to the game for several years. I doubt there is a single person out there that could play GemStone for any length of time and not come across something that Khaladon had a hand in. His impact on the game, especially the Platinum instance, was significant and it's only natural that after his departure, emotions are running high and there are lots of questions people would like answered.

However, having said that, it is important that everyone understands that this action, like any of its kind, was done only as a last resort. The decision was not made lightly, nor was it a hasty or knee-jerk reaction. Neither was it based on a single incident or motivated by anything other than the standards and internal policies we have to uphold for the sake of the community.

Speaking in general, whenever we are faced with a situation where a GM or player has stepped outside of the bounds of what is acceptable, there is a process that takes place: There are discussions with the individual, we establish our expectations and explain the problem and what has to be addressed. We then work with the individual to get everyone back on the same page. It is only when this process fails, even in the case of a GM who's been around a long time and a great deal of effort has been expended to try and rectify the situation with the individual, that we are left with no other choice. Sometimes there are differences, in motivation, creativity, or just viewpoint that cannot be resolved, other times the situation is more dire when often irreparable damage is occurring to the game and such incidents are not curtailed. Everyone involved does a great deal of soul searching at times like this and there is a realization that often, in the end, you are damned if you do and damned if you don't. But, in the interest of everyone involved (in particular, the community, whether it's realized or not) there occasionally arises situations where there is regrettably only one possible course of action. We hate being the ones in this position, especially since we are bound by our ethics to not air the dirty laundry (even if the individual involved feels no such obligation).

Some of you have said this seemed sudden and yes, from your perspective, it definitely looks to be "out of the blue". However, just like we don't publicly discuss or announce disciplinary actions taken against other players with you, we also don't discuss the same types of actions taken with staff. We generally don't even discuss those matters with other staff members, since any issues with or concerns about an individual staff member's conduct or performance is between management, that staff member, and their immediate supervisor. We don't send out email or make announcements declaring that Player X was given a warning or locked out and likewise, we maintain the same level of decorum and privacy when it comes to our GMs. This isn't to say that it's "none of your business" because you are all part of "The Community", anything that affects "The Community" affects you. However, these issues are not a matter of public record, out of respect and courtesy for the people involved, be they player or GM.

Over the years, several GMs have come and gone, voluntarily or otherwise. Before Khaladon took over Platinum and Premium, there were other GMs who "made" Plat or Premium what they were and when they left, players left with them, confident that no one would ever be able to take their place. In those players' opinions, the departure of those staff members spelled "The End of Plat" or "The End of Premium" or even "The End of GemStone" and without them, life in Elanthia just wasn't worth living. But then, over time, someone else came along (like Khaladon did) and picked up where those GMs left off and pretty soon, it was a different story. I won't say those GMs were forgotten, because I'm sure that's not the case, nor should it be. We should never overlook or ignore the contributions any GM has made to the game or to the community. We should, however, remember that no single GM is responsible for making GemStone what it is. GemStone is a collaborative effort, made great by the input and involvement of a team of people working together as a whole to achieve a common goal, not as individuals doing their own thing or playing by their own rules. Kitrina, Llothwyn, Khaladon's team members, and the rest of the GemStone staff are still working just as hard for you as they were before Khaladon left and they'll continue to work just as hard for you now, but no single GM can make a community what it is. The community makes the GM(s) what they are.

In closing, I'd like to reiterate that no one is trying to say that you should forget Khaladon's involvement in GemStone, nor should anyone downplay his involvement in Plat. We're in "The Good" topic here on the forums, so continue to celebrate what was Good and continue to wish Khaladon well in the future.

I'll also make it VERY clear that the Platinum instance isn't going anywhere. It won't be shut down and it won't be rebranded or replaced with a "Fallen" version of GemStone. When/If a Fallen instance happens, it will be a totally separate entity.

But also remember that there are a lot of hard working, dedicated GMs that you know (and quite a few that you've not even met yet, now that I mention it) who are upstairs. I'm willing to bet that if they're given the chance and the opportunity to step up, they'll show you what they're capable of.

Again, we wish Khaladon and the other departing GMs (a couple of whom were already in the process of leaving and picked this as an interestingly convenient time to announce that fact) the best in the future and hope they find happiness wherever their travels take them.

Solomon

"Experience will come, it's not a race or anything. The ones who kill themselves to get to the finish are the ones who tire out quickly."

http://www.myspace.com/gemstoneiv

This message was originally posted in Discussions with Simutronics, The Good....(general compliments). To discuss the above follow the link below.

http://www.play.net/forums/messages.asp?forum=102&category=8&topic=2&message=5844

Fallen
10-19-2007, 11:49 PM
<<Again, we wish Khaladon and the other departing GMs (a couple of whom were already in the process of leaving and picked this as an interestingly convenient time to announce that fact) the best in the future and hope they find happiness wherever their travels take them. >>

Heh

DCSL
10-19-2007, 11:53 PM
Yeah, that part was hilarious. I snort-laughed loud enough to make my dogs look at me funny.

Rinualdo
10-20-2007, 12:04 AM
More popcorn, please.

Davenshire
10-20-2007, 12:05 AM
Really nice write up by solomon,


Now maybe all the emo-drama queen QQ cry assess will shut the hell up.


Well we could hope anyways....

diethx
10-20-2007, 12:06 AM
Now maybe all the emo-drama queen QQ cry assess will shut the hell up.

Yeah right.

Anebriated
10-20-2007, 02:55 AM
I'll also make it VERY clear that the Platinum instance isn't going anywhere. It won't be shut down and it won't be rebranded or replaced with a "Fallen" version of GemStone. When/If a Fallen instance happens, it will be a totally separate entity.


Heh, was this mentioned on the officials or was this taeken from PC?

Tsa`ah
10-20-2007, 02:58 AM
That's a repost from the officials ... hence the link.

Drew
10-20-2007, 03:29 AM
No he's talking about the issue of Plat becoming The Fallen, hence the quote.

StrayRogue
10-20-2007, 04:58 AM
The mention of Plat becoming the Fallen is certainly interesting. I imagine the PC is getting a lot of clandestine views by official and non-official's alike. Of course this is the only place where opinions and words are not tailored or monitored by that cockstain Emeradan.

Their disdain for these people leaving GS (out of solidarity's sake, ha) is also amusing. Though I admit, I liked Siani.

I wonder how many more years it will be before GS turns into Old Yella, and finally has its brain's blown out for good.

Drew
10-20-2007, 05:09 AM
I wonder how many more years it will be before GS turns into Old Yella, and finally has its brain's blown out for good.


Honestly, unless something incredible happens I think it will be around for decades in some form or another (maybe not administered by Simu, but in some form).

Draug
10-20-2007, 09:25 AM
The mention of Plat becoming the Fallen is certainly interesting. I imagine the PC is getting a lot of clandestine views by official and non-official's alike. Of course this is the only place where opinions and words are not tailored or monitored by that cockstain Emeradan.

The PC got mentioned on the officials, too, which is why you're likely seeing some new posters.

Turning Plat into GS:The Fallen was mentioned in that thread. It took about 6 or 7 Plat posters to cry something along the lines of "Gasp! How could you kick us when we're down and pour salt in our wound?" (Which I found a little amusing after most of them were posting that they were going to quit), then Emeradan shut it down shortly thereafter. It may have picked up somewhere else on the officials, if so, I haven't seen it yet.

Anebriated
10-20-2007, 11:09 AM
That's a repost from the officials ... hence the link.


No he's talking about the issue of Plat becoming The Fallen, hence the quote.

:yeahthat:

Methais
10-21-2007, 05:02 PM
I have nothing to add, I'm just marking this thread.

I might edit this post later with goatse.

Makkah
02-29-2008, 06:35 PM
Avantos: [General]: "Evening peasants."
Avantos: [General]: "I'm back."
Kreek: [General]: "Great. Who da 'ell are you?"
Klangg: [Merchant]: "Go away."

Danical
02-29-2008, 07:21 PM
:wtf:

Farn
02-29-2008, 07:25 PM
I was curious when I saw this on the officials. Can anyone tell me why this happened?

Also: What's with the post about Avantos?

Stanley Burrell
02-29-2008, 07:26 PM
I'm pretty certain that being let go (from staff) doesn't suddenly equate you to Michaelous (and somehow insta-ban you on all text fronts.)

I'm pretty sure that the two should be treated pretty separately. Ideally.

GuildRat
02-29-2008, 07:28 PM
Avantos=Khaladon's IG personna....DUH. Thus the billions in coin, gear....etc.

Makkah
02-29-2008, 07:51 PM
I personally just found the "I'm back" and condescending tone very funny/ironic.

Alfster
02-29-2008, 07:56 PM
''Don't cross me here, you will lose''

thefarmer
02-29-2008, 07:56 PM
Fits the way he rp'd just fine.

I talked with him some today, he seemed fine.

Lysander
02-29-2008, 09:57 PM
If Khaladon was a coder, would Simu have let him go so easily?

FinisWolf
02-29-2008, 10:34 PM
He was a coder.

crazymage
02-29-2008, 10:58 PM
If Khaladon was a coder, would Simu have let him go so easily?

Do you even play GS?

Suppa Hobbit Mage
02-29-2008, 11:37 PM
Cool, glad to see he got his accounts back.

Makkah
02-29-2008, 11:42 PM
Fits the way he rp'd just fine.

I talked with him some today, he seemed fine.

Do you understand the definition of irony? RP or not. Ironic. Funny.

Lysander
02-29-2008, 11:46 PM
No Khaladon wasn't a coder. He made some nice scripts and things and made a ton of nice flares but wasn't an integral part of the game for implementations and what not (ala not a programmer intimate with the GS code)

Lord Nelek
02-29-2008, 11:50 PM
Cool, glad to see he got his accounts back.

Were they taken away or something?

Stunseed
02-29-2008, 11:53 PM
Yes.

thefarmer
02-29-2008, 11:56 PM
Do you understand the definition of irony? RP or not. Ironic. Funny.


I commented on it fitting his RP, not whether it was ironic or funny.

Makkah
03-01-2008, 01:53 AM
If you want to go that way... then you had no reason to comment in the first place considering I was not insinuating his RP was OOC. It was funny. Shut your dumb ass up.

thefarmer
03-01-2008, 01:55 AM
If you want to go that way... then you had no reason to comment in the first place considering I was not insinuating his RP was OOC. It was funny. Shut your dumb ass up.

I had as much reason to make a comment as you did. So you're welcome to go fuck off.

Kallemor
03-01-2008, 09:39 AM
Avantos has always been well off.

Insinuating that he was so due to his employment is fairly insulting.

He's a good guy.

StrayRogue
03-01-2008, 10:12 AM
He's well off because he abused the fuck out of the old enchanting system.

Alfster
03-01-2008, 12:32 PM
He's a good guy.

''Don't cross me here, you will lose''

diethx
03-01-2008, 12:42 PM
''Don't cross me here, you will lose''

This really makes me giggle.

Alfster
03-01-2008, 12:45 PM
It was, for sure, an epic fail by Khaladon to post that.

diethx
03-01-2008, 01:08 PM
It was, for sure, an epic fail by Khaladon to post that.

ItTWAS.

Kallemor
03-01-2008, 11:02 PM
sorry, I'm not Khaladon.

I used to help infuse with his enchanting crew years ago.

I guess in the case of Alf, once a fucking retard, always a fucking retard.

Back
03-01-2008, 11:30 PM
sorry, I'm not Khaladon.

I used to help infuse with his enchanting crew years ago.

I guess in the case of Alf, once a fucking retard, always a fucking retard.

Neither am I.

Don’t mind Alf. Not worth the time.

http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?t=28232&highlight=Khaladon

Latrinsorm
03-01-2008, 11:40 PM
Another Khaladon hanger-on! Awesome!

Drunken Durfin
03-01-2008, 11:50 PM
And so their prophecy reads:


"One day the exiled one shall return and
His might will be greater than it ever was
those who remained faithful shall be rewarded
they who blasphemed him will enjoy unending suffering.

Woe unto the unbelievers, for they shall feel
His eternal wrath.

Hear our words infidels:

"Do not cross him, you will lose!"

Back
03-02-2008, 12:02 AM
FTMFW

Warriorbird
03-02-2008, 12:10 AM
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3161/2303959234_e26a4d111d_o.jpg

diethx
03-02-2008, 12:19 AM
sorry, I'm not Khaladon.

I used to help infuse with his enchanting crew years ago.

I guess in the case of Alf, once a fucking retard, always a fucking retard.

Where did Alfster say you were Khaladon? He said Khaladon was full of fail for posting the don't cross me bullshit, and I don't see anywhere that he said you were him.


http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3161/2303959234_e26a4d111d_o.jpg

LULZ :heart:

Khariz
03-02-2008, 12:21 AM
LULZ :heart:

Nope, Lulz is a new player, that's Paul.

(This is a Joke because I'm pissed the fuck off that some jackass can start GS like a month ago, name themself LULZ and it's okay by the name policy.)

diethx
03-02-2008, 12:23 AM
Nope, Lulz is a new player, that's Paul.

(This is a Joke because I'm pissed the fuck off that some jackass can start GS like a month ago, name themself LULZ and it's okay by the name policy.)

hehe.

Lulz is a corruption of LOL!!!!111

Khariz
03-02-2008, 12:24 AM
hehe.

Lulz is a corruption of LOL!!!!111

Exactly, and I explained that both in BADNAME and multiple times to GMs who got tired of me spamming badname or something. They said it's fine.

diethx
03-02-2008, 12:28 AM
Exactly, and I explained that both in BADNAME and multiple times to GMs who got tired of me spamming badname or something. They said it's fine.

No I know, but I was just saying it jokingly... cuz that's how they said it on that Anonymous 20/20 or whatever report. :P

But yeah you're right, it's total bullshit that Lulz is allowed as a name.

Kallemor
03-02-2008, 12:28 AM
Funny. I think I figured out the cause of idiots in GS.

The higher the PC post count, the lower your IQ gets.

I'm outta here before I forget how to get to work.

TheEschaton
03-02-2008, 12:30 AM
Epic fail.

diethx
03-02-2008, 12:30 AM
Funny. I think I figured out the cause of idiots in GS.

The higher the PC post count, the lower your IQ gets.

I'm outta here before I forget how to get to work.

Excellent fucking determination. Way to avoid my question, also.

Warriorbird
03-02-2008, 12:37 AM
He's just a guy. Honestly. He may have profiteered off of the enchanting system back in the day but so would most any of us had we had the opportunity. Obsessing about a comment he made a while back is silly. He's just another player. Sometimes I feel like some non GMs are like those people that you see always trying to get into the club or cut in line at the bar. It isn't that thrilling behind the curtain. The drinks are too expensive.

For one I'd be excited if I still had an open account. His accounts being open means a chance at some slick items (even if his prices tend towards the high side... he's totally reliable... which is more than I can say for some high end merchant types.)

Back
03-02-2008, 12:39 AM
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3161/2303959234_e26a4d111d_o.jpg

Fail.

Mistomeer
03-02-2008, 12:57 AM
Exactly, and I explained that both in BADNAME and multiple times to GMs who got tired of me spamming badname or something. They said it's fine.

That's not as bad as when I badnamed him and reported him and they said it was fine. I then made a character, Epiclulz, and had to rename him which lead to a warning.

It was quite lulzy though.

Warriorbird
03-02-2008, 12:59 AM
Like I once said and got asked to leave Gemstone over... there's a different name policy for existing accounts and new players.

FinisWolf
03-02-2008, 01:00 AM
That's not as bad as when I badnamed him and reported him and they said it was fine. I then made a character, Epiclulz, and had to rename him which lead to a warning.

It was quite lulzy though.

If they allow that, then my stupid char ROFLMAOPMP should certainly be removed from the LCI now.

:lol:

Finis

FinisWolf
03-02-2008, 01:01 AM
Like I once said and got asked to leave Gemstone over... there's a different name policy for existing accounts and new players.

I've actually heard that as well from staff.

Finis

Alfster
03-02-2008, 04:29 PM
sorry, I'm not Khaladon.

I used to help infuse with his enchanting crew years ago.

I guess in the case of Alf, once a fucking retard, always a fucking retard.

I never thought you were. He's such a good guy that he threatened people on a message board where he was a GM with the line...


''Don't cross me here, you will lose''

Alfster
03-02-2008, 04:32 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v686/pottymouth30/khaladon2-1.jpg

Stanley Burrell
03-02-2008, 04:35 PM
Khaladon has to be more wealthy IG than Ciston.

AestheticDeath
03-02-2008, 05:29 PM
I wouldn't doubt that, since I think most of what Ciston sold was someone elses' stuff sold on commission. But I could be wrong.

Stanley Burrell
03-02-2008, 05:34 PM
Whatever happened to Wads? He used to form like Voltron at the Black Table in The Silvergate Inn.

Stanley Burrell
03-02-2008, 05:38 PM
I think most of what Ciston sold was someone elses' stuff sold on commission.

That's entirely correct. When Shallimar received the 10x DB hat, and that stupid dag sold again (not to mention a bunch of other shit) that is when GemStone adapted a cocksmoking level of IC U.S.-patriotism.

Holy fuck. Who has/had the "red white and blue alteration ticket" ..? Oh God. That too.

AestheticDeath
03-02-2008, 06:33 PM
I was kinda wondering about Wadsworth too. Saw his crate in the player shop area after his shop got repossessed and wondered what he might have had left in it. Hopefully he didn't leave anything important. Or he got back in time to retrieve it all.

bluesmith
03-02-2008, 07:16 PM
avantos' shop is gone. wonder what hapenned to that?

AestheticDeath
03-02-2008, 07:21 PM
I noticed that too, he didn't respond when I asked.

Kyra231
03-02-2008, 07:26 PM
I never thought you were. He's such a good guy that he threatened people on a message board where he was a GM with the line...


Zomg gs did not crash & burn to the ground in grand fashion because he's gone either?...

:rofl:

~K.

bluesmith
03-02-2008, 08:07 PM
= shut down and bulk sale to Tsin?

Hips
03-02-2008, 08:08 PM
He was half-seriously hawking items to Ondreian last night at Moonshine Manor, so who knows?

Tolwynn
03-02-2008, 08:08 PM
avantos' shop is gone. wonder what hapenned to that?

Rent or inactivity mechanics finally caught up with it, and the shop was repossessed and its slot made available for sale again.

Trinitis
04-17-2008, 04:33 PM
Like I once said and got asked to leave Gemstone over... there's a different name policy for existing accounts and new players.

Naionna says, "Hello there."
>
You say, "Hello."
>
You ask, "What is wrong with this name?"
>
Naionna smiles.
>
You smile at Naionna.
>
Naionna says, "Its a modern chatroom jargon, as you well know."
>
Naionna says, "Just like ROFLMAO is."
>
You say, "Ok, and so is Lulz, but he's running around."
>
You say, "If his does not break policy, then neither should Lawlz."
>
Naionna says, "We aren't going to discuss other characters, to be frank."
>
Naionna says, "Your name is in clear violation of policy and will not be allowed."
>
Naionna says, "You are going to have to rename."
>
You ask, "Why not? Is policy not blanket across all players?"
>
Naionna says, "Of course it is."
>
You ask, "So why does he get to, and I don't?"
>
Naionna chuckles.
>
Naionna says, "Again, I'm not discussing another character with you."
>
You feel at full magical power again.
>
Naionna says, "You can rename your character and enter the game system, but you are not going to use Lawlz or Roflmao."
>
You say, "I'd like to know why I'm being singled out then."
>
Naionna says, "I've explained why your name is against policy."
>
Naionna says, "There is no other reason than that."
>
You say, "And I've given proveable fact that It's not held up to other players."
>
You ask, "So why am I singled out?"
>
Naionna says, "If you have a complaint about policy or something you feel is unfair, you are more than welcome to write to feedback about it."
>
Naionna says, "But as for this situation, you must rename."


Just opened a new account, lo and behold.

Danical
04-17-2008, 04:41 PM
Just opened a new account, lo and behold.

LAWLZ and behold.

AM I RITE?!?

Khariz
04-17-2008, 06:44 PM
Naionna says, "Hello there."
>
You say, "Hello."
>
You ask, "What is wrong with this name?"
>
Naionna smiles.
>
You smile at Naionna.
>
Naionna says, "Its a modern chatroom jargon, as you well know."
>
Naionna says, "Just like ROFLMAO is."
>
You say, "Ok, and so is Lulz, but he's running around."
>
You say, "If his does not break policy, then neither should Lawlz."
>
Naionna says, "We aren't going to discuss other characters, to be frank."
>
Naionna says, "Your name is in clear violation of policy and will not be allowed."
>
Naionna says, "You are going to have to rename."
>
You ask, "Why not? Is policy not blanket across all players?"
>
Naionna says, "Of course it is."
>
You ask, "So why does he get to, and I don't?"
>
Naionna chuckles.
>
Naionna says, "Again, I'm not discussing another character with you."
>
You feel at full magical power again.
>
Naionna says, "You can rename your character and enter the game system, but you are not going to use Lawlz or Roflmao."
>
You say, "I'd like to know why I'm being singled out then."
>
Naionna says, "I've explained why your name is against policy."
>
Naionna says, "There is no other reason than that."
>
You say, "And I've given proveable fact that It's not held up to other players."
>
You ask, "So why am I singled out?"
>
Naionna says, "If you have a complaint about policy or something you feel is unfair, you are more than welcome to write to feedback about it."
>
Naionna says, "But as for this situation, you must rename."


Just opened a new account, lo and behold.


WHile I agree that this inconsistence is bullshit...why is this in the Khaladon thread?

Trinitis
04-17-2008, 07:05 PM
WHile I agree that this inconsistence is bullshit...why is this in the Khaladon thread?

http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?p=691755&highlight=Lulz#post691755

http://forum.gsplayers.com/showpost.php?p=691771&postcount=56

Khariz
04-17-2008, 07:06 PM
http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?p=691755&highlight=Lulz#post691755

Wow...how ironic. haha.