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[MrMortimur]

As before the only trade I am interested in is one of those concealing crystals.

1. Coin hand. 175m
Holds silvers weightlessly
2. Familiar instrument-45m
Fife which summons a small silvery-grey mouse.
3. Jewelry box-90m
4. Use of 13000 premium points. 74m
5. Mechanical xbow-100m
+27 enchanted with self generating 2x bolts with mechanical flares.
6. Chaos bow-30m
Sighted, morphs in enchant and weapon base, doesn't generate its own ammo.
7. Self mana inviso brig, 5x heavily damage padded. 50m
8. 0x masterful crit brig-40m
9. "Ring" full plate-65m
3x somewhat crit padded, weightless, worn as a ring on finger. 3 seconds to turn it on, 10 seconds to turn it off.
10. Double equiv shape armor. +22 decently crit padded, makes you look like a hazy amorphous shape when people look at you. No inventory or features are shown. Will only sell this if I get a concealing crystal first.
11. Gem chisel-115m
From a sample of 50 gems, 5 blew up due to bard purification, 3 were broken by gem chisel. Average increase due to chisel only was 26%. Range of increase is 9-49% with 1 message corresponding to 9, 19,29,39,49.

Cash offers will be at $10/mil
Contact information is MrMortimur on aim or theothercanadian@comcast.net for questions or to buy.

Thanks for browsing,
Lochiven

[Drunken Durfin]

You just HAD to wait until after I blew my silver hoard to post a gem chisel...thanks.

[senorgordoburro]

This will sound dumb to many of you, but until recently I never saw these types of high end items but would someone be able to explain the purpose of a few of these items to me.

1. Coin hand-300m
3. Gem chisel-150m
7. Chaos bow-30m

Thanks

[Cademus]

Gem chisel how much toward the value of the gems?

[Cademus]

Coin hand - You stick silvers in it and it gets auto transported to your bank account. Think encumberance and silvers.

Gem Chisel- Adds value to your gems by purifying it.

Chaos Bow- Alternating Enchants different flares.

[Martaigne]

5. *Use of 13000 premium points.

Wow. Just wow.

[AestheticDeath]

Seems like everything is well overpriced.

Most things doubled if not tripled or quadrupled in value.

Still nice items though.

[Warriorbird]

I'm just curious about the items listed on the officials and not on here.

[AestheticDeath]

where?
i only saw the ring plate armor as different from here.. that what your referring to?

[Sylvan Dreams]

Gem Chisel- Adds value to your gems by purifying it.

Not quite true. It DOES add value to the gems, but it does not purify them. It also modifies the description of the gems by replacing the standard adjective with "faceted", thus an "uncut emerald" becomes a "faceted emerald".

[Jinsem]

Not quite true. It DOES add value to the gems, but it does not purify them. It also modifies the description of the gems by replacing the standard adjective with "faceted", thus an "uncut emerald" becomes a "faceted emerald".

Quite true. Chisels can be used a few ways... Nice items indeed though, only 1 thing that needs to be seen... Can you use the gem for bountys/alchemy after being chiseled, like you can with the patterns.

Jinsem
Would smite for this...

[UNKNOWN]

All prices listed are final and non negotiable. Thanks for browsing

It's not just that the prices are quadruple inflated, it's that snotty cocky attitude being displayed that gets me. Who ever pays those prices is an absolute idiot.

Glad your leaving, the game just got better.

[The Ponzzz]

It's not just that the prices are quadruple inflated, it's that snotty cocky attitude being displayed that gets me. Who ever pays those prices is an absolute idiot.

Glad your leaving, the game just got better.


Some of the items listed are status pieces, such as the coin hand (which has it's benefits). While some of the prices are pretty high, I don't see him being snotty or cocky...

If I could, I'd buy up the gem chisel or coin hand, so I'd be an absolute idiot.

[Drunken Durfin]

It's not just that the prices are quadruple inflated, it's that snotty cocky attitude being displayed that gets me. Who ever pays those prices is an absolute idiot.

Glad your leaving, the game just got better.

Hello pot, this is kettle calling...

[Drew]

LOL @ 150 for a gem chisel. Do you know how long it would take to make that back? It's a longshot proposition when they sell at 40-50 million.

[Danical]

Totally Ridiculous.

lol @ everything up there. Especially the Mech Crossbow after the nerf.

1 Star.

(I'd still pay the 60m I was offered the gem chisel 3 years ago though.)

Although, who's to say any of those items won't sell to retarded people.

:shrug:

[Drunken Durfin]

I way overpaid for my jerky making cleaver. Not so much because it enhances skin value and makes jerky out of just about every critter you can skin, but because I wanted the damn thing since the mid '90s. Has nothing to do with being retarded, I just wanted it really bad.

How much do gem chisel's add to value on a percentage basis anyway?

[Cademus]

What I would really like is one of those skinning knives... wonder how much they go for and how much value they add to the skins?

[Stretch]

Even though it would be like a two year pay back period, I'd throw 75m at one of those chisels. I've been wanting one since like 2004, heh, and I think I actually hired Lochiven to purify/chisel bunches of 300 of my gems on more than one occasion.

Sorry to see you on your way out. I was actually debating the 3x plate ring because it's just such a nifty item, but the DS hit from the current set of 8x would be kind of brutal.

[Gan]

Having used a chisel gem in the past, it was worth more when an empath could learn off the wounds it gives you with use.

I like the coin hands personally. Although 300m is a little steep for my tastes.

[Drunken Durfin]

What I would really like is one of those skinning knives... wonder how much they go for and how much value they add to the skins?

I paid 60 for mine. To be honest, I have not done any testing to see how much value it adds to the skin. I rarely missed any skins before, but missing one now is uber rare. Like 1 in 1000.

[MrMortimur]

Unknown, not sure where my attitude ruins your gaming experience but meh, whatever.

Yes prices are high but if someone wants a chance to buy before they're unavailable, cough up the cash. If not, I suppose they'll sit unused, but i'm really not looking to liquidate what I have, I have fond memories from gemstone and like the items I spent years acquiring.

I used to have a few large documents of chisel usage, I recall it being 9-49% increase upon usage. Hellooooo 20k diamonds (on occasion)

Only thing not posted on unofficials that went on the other forums was the ring armor, just forgot it as I was trying to remember what I owned.

Also a few things I might add to another folder are a dachre box and the tablet that displays dachres of your choice into the air. 3m and 10m respectively. Pm, IM, or email all work.

Lochiven

[Drunken Durfin]

LOL @ 150 for a gem chisel. Do you know how long it would take to make that back? It's a longshot proposition when they sell at 40-50 million.



I used to have a few large documents of chisel usage, I recall it being 9-49% increase upon usage. Hellooooo 20k diamonds (on occasion)


Okay, someone that has had more sleep than I have check my math here...

Now, lets take a low end average of what MrMortimur has given us for a percent increase in gem value, 9%-49%, and just say that we get 15% on average increase using the chisel...really low end average given the range, I know.

This comes out to 150,000 silver increase per million of gems found. In order to turn the 150,000 silver into 150,000,000 silver (to recoup your investment) you would have to find and chisel 1,500,000,000 (1.5 billion) worth of gems?

Someone tell me I am wrong here, that number hurts my eyes.

[Lomoriond]

Someone tell me I am wrong here, that number hurts my eyes.

Cept you'd also have to figure out the resale value of the chisel into it...

If you bought the chisel for 150m, turned 10m in profit from it over a few months and then resold it for 30m.. you'd only take a 110m bath!


Incidently... does that chaos bow have the permablessed arrows, and what base is it?

[Jinsem]

I used to have a few large documents of chisel usage, I recall it being 9-49% increase upon usage. Hellooooo 20k diamonds (on occasion)

Lochiven

An uncut diamond = 10k Max
A blue diamond = 12k Max

Sadly, I'm on watch right now and don't have the values for a black or yellow one. But I know it's not much higher. The highest value range for a gem I've found is 16k MAX value before manipulating it with bonus's or negatives.

So a MAX diamond is most likely 18k, which while close to your figure would take a ton of luck. Oh, I recalled one other use for them, but that got nerfed... Healing abuse :( Only took them how many years?

I recall hearing 10% - 50% but never got one loaned long enough to bother arguing over 1% either way. Still wish I had one though :(

Jinsem
Gem Database Guy.

[Stunseed]

The diamond the highest value based gem? I ask because I've had business with the seller, and was given a despanal worth like 20.3k to my elf in Illistim.

[Danical]

The diamond the highest value based gem? I ask because I've had business with the seller, and was given a despanal worth like 20.3k to my elf in Illistim.

Trading Skill, Influence, Racial Mods explains it.

[Jinsem]

The diamond the highest value based gem? I ask because I've had business with the seller, and was given a despanal worth like 20.3k to my elf in Illistim.

It was an OTF gem. Long name I recall starting with a G or something, I'm on CQ till tomorrow morning so can't get into my Access Database. Maybe Vulva will remind me to post it when I wake up late Monday.

Jinsem

[Bobmuhthol]

<<Okay, someone that has had more sleep than I have check my math here...

Now, lets take a low end average of what MrMortimur has given us for a percent increase in gem value, 9%-49%, and just say that we get 15% on average increase using the chisel...really low end average given the range, I know.

This comes out to 150,000 silver increase per million of gems found. In order to turn the 150,000 silver into 150,000,000 silver (to recoup your investment) you would have to find and chisel 1,500,000,000 (1.5 billion) worth of gems?

Someone tell me I am wrong here, that number hurts my eyes.>>

Yeah, 15% is, in fact, a stupidly low figure considering that there is likely a roll involved, and rolls have symmetric distributions. Adjusting accordingly, the average would be 29%. As has been pointed out, you absolutely have to account for the resale value. Otherwise, by purchasing the item, you could potentially make a 150 million silver profit by chiseling those 1 billion silvers of gems [your figure of 1.5 billion is 50% more than it should have been under your own rules] and then subsequently selling the chisel for another 150 million. If this were remotely possible (that is, practical), people would jump at the opportunity.

The net value of the chisel in terms of personal gain can be considered as a formula:

NetValue = .29 * GemValue + ResaleValue - CostOfPurchase

Resale value depends on the market, and gem value is up to the person. Likely, though, it's difficult to not make at least some sort of profit over time when purchasing this item under ideal market conditions - obviously buying it at a retardedly high price or selling it super cheap affects this greatly.

[Drunken Durfin]

The problem with that formula is that it assumes that you intend to resell the item at some point, which I wouldn't.

[Bobmuhthol]

Then you can't get a fucking profit from it... when you buy a television, do you think, "NOT A GOOD DEAL I'LL END UP LOSING MONEY :'("????

[fallenSaint]

Incidently... does that chaos bow have the permablessed arrows, and what base is it?

If its the bow I'm thinking it isnt self ammo, it morphs between all the archery weapon bases and is sighted.

[Drunken Durfin]

Then you can't get a fucking profit from it... when you buy a television, do you think, "NOT A GOOD DEAL I'LL END UP LOSING MONEY :'("????

No, but when I buy a table saw I ask myself how much product I will be able to kick out of my shop before I need to replace the saw and do a cost benefit analysis. Comparing this to a television purchase is an "apples and oranges" situation.

You CAN make a "fucking profit" from it, it will just take a really long time if you don't factor in reselling the item.

[Celephais]

Yeah, 15% is, in fact, a stupidly low figure considering that there is likely a roll involved, and rolls have symmetric distributions.
Not always true, what if it's a capped open roll? Who knows what factors influence the value after chiseling, without him telling us an even distribution you cannot assume 29%.


[your figure of 1.5 billion is 50% more than it should have been under your own rules]
100% Bob, 100% if you're going to get all mathy.

Fully agree though that the resale value needs to be considered, and if you're not planning on reselling it, then the resale value is changed to status value. I think the best use of this would be good deal of friends all pooling together... obviously trust issues though.

[Lomoriond]

Then you can't get a fucking profit from it... when you buy a television, do you think, "NOT A GOOD DEAL I'LL END UP LOSING MONEY :'("????

That is a really really lame comparison... a television is for entertainment, a gem chisel is for improving revenue...

A better comparison: Why would you pay $750,000 for a new combine if your farm will only generate $25,000 additional annual revenue if you buy it?

Unless you can resell the combine down the road for a good % of what you paid for it, you will still be making a superfluous purchase that only loses you money.



If its the bow I'm thinking it isnt self ammo, it morphs between all the archery weapon bases and is sighted.
The chaos bow I know of is 4x with random arrows of all flare types (thus the "chaos" of it)...

What are the stats on this bow?

[Sylvan Dreams]

Quite true. Chisels can be used a few ways... Nice items indeed though, only 1 thing that needs to be seen... Can you use the gem for bountys/alchemy after being chiseled, like you can with the patterns.

Jinsem
Would smite for this...

You can for bounties, I do not know about alchemy just yet.

[Bobmuhthol]

<<Not always true, what if it's a capped open roll? Who knows what factors influence the value after chiseling, without him telling us an even distribution you cannot assume 29%.>>

It makes approximately 70 billion times more sense than saying, "Well I guess I'll just arbitrarily assign a value of 15%..."

<<100% Bob, 100% if you're going to get all mathy.>>

Do you know what percentages are?

[Bobmuhthol]

<<You CAN make a "fucking profit" from it, it will just take a really long time if you don't factor in reselling the item.>>


If this were remotely possible (that is, practical), people would jump at the opportunity.

[Celephais]

<<Not always true, what if it's a capped open roll? Who knows what factors influence the value after chiseling, without him telling us an even distribution you cannot assume 29%.>>

It makes approximately 70 billion times more sense than saying, "Well I guess I'll just arbitrarily assign a value of 15%..."
he admittedly said it was conservative... I agree taking 30% is certainly more logical but... he probably should have gone the other direction and said what it would have taken even in best case scenario, where it would have been 49% and still taken a ridiculous amount to profit 150M.


<<100% Bob, 100% if you're going to get all mathy.>>

Do you know what percentages are?
I knew what you meant, but symantically you got it wrong...

"1.5 billion is 50% more than it should have been"
It "should" have been 750mil

1,500m is 100% more than 750m.

[Bobmuhthol]

You're selectively removing the second half of my sentence. Semantically, I was spot on. Under his rules, 15% payoff, one would receive 150,000 extra silvers per 1,000,000 silvers in gems. In order to generate 150,000,000, you'd need 1,000,000,000 in gems, not 1,500,000,000. He couldn't multiply 1,000,000 by 1,000 properly; that has nothing to do with my control of language.

[Celephais]

Ah, okay, mis-understood where you were applying the number, thought you were saying that under his math rules under your percent.

My bad.

[Drunken Durfin]

He couldn't multiply 1,000,000 by 1,000 properly

From my original post:
Okay, someone that has had more sleep than I have check my math here...

Its not that I could't multilpy, it is that I didn't...wanker.

[bubbauno]

HOLY SHIT.. Have I been gone for 10 years and the market gone crazy? I've owned the exact item or similar versions of every item listed and some of those prices are WAY WAY off. Sometimes having sold the same item more than once and I can tell you better than anyone what these are worth.

1. Coin hand- 125-150m
2. Familiar instrument- 40-60m
3. Gem chisel- 40-60m
4. Jewelry box- 30-50m
5. *Use of 13000 premium points. 50-70m
6. Mechanical xbow- 70-90m
7. Chaos bow- 30-40m
8. Self mana inviso brig, 5x heavily damage padded. 40-50m
9. 0x masterful crit brig- 20- 40m
10. 10x acid flaring morning star (or fire, I need to check) 30-40m
11. ring plate - 30-40m

[Celephais]

HOLY SHIT.. Have I been gone for 10 years and the market gone crazy? I've owned the exact item or similar versions of every item listed and some of those prices are WAY WAY off. Sometimes having sold the same item more than once and I can tell you better than anyone what these are worth.

1. Coin hand- 125-150m
2. Familiar instrument- 40-60m
3. Gem chisel- 40-60m
4. Jewelry box- 30-50m
5. *Use of 13000 premium points. 50-70m
6. Mechanical xbow- 70-90m
7. Chaos bow- 30-40m
8. Self mana inviso brig, 5x heavily damage padded. 40-50m
9. 0x masterful crit brig- 20- 40m
10. 10x acid flaring morning star (or fire, I need to check) 30-40m
11. ring plate - 30-40m

Wow... of all people to call someone overpriced... "he's trying to preserve these items in the game".

[Drew]

He did work on a bag for me, singing and chiseling 114 gems worth 560710, became 91 gems worth 964934.

[Drew]

Also, roffle house at Tsin making fun of anyone's prices, even though these Lochiven's are waaay too high.

[Celephais]

Average *individual* gem value increased 115%

Actual total increase (due to apparent losses?) of 72%

150m in gems profit would require 208m in gems.

[Drunken Durfin]

HOLY SHIT.. Have I been gone for 10 years and the market gone crazy? I've owned the exact item or similar versions of every item listed and some of those prices are WAY WAY off. Sometimes having sold the same item more than once and I can tell you better than anyone what these are worth.

1. Coin hand- 125-150m
2. Familiar instrument- 40-60m
3. Gem chisel- 40-60m
4. Jewelry box- 30-50m
5. *Use of 13000 premium points. 50-70m
6. Mechanical xbow- 70-90m
7. Chaos bow- 30-40m
8. Self mana inviso brig, 5x heavily damage padded. 40-50m
9. 0x masterful crit brig- 20- 40m
10. 10x acid flaring morning star (or fire, I need to check) 30-40m
11. ring plate - 30-40m

12. Tsin spanking someone for pricing their items too high - PRICELESS

I guess this is the last we will see of the above 11 in game. The price of "preservation" seems a bit too high.

[Bobmuhthol]

<<Its not that I could't multilpy, it is that I didn't...wanker.>>

Shit, I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings for not putting effort into a post and then complaining when someone did actually correct you like you asked.

[Drunken Durfin]

Correcting is one thing...being a dick about it is another.

[MrMortimur]

Chaos bow doesn't generate its own ammo, randomly changes weapon base and enchants. I want to say it has sighting which also varies randomly, but I'd have to find Augie's information on the item as she was the only one to really test it out.

I'm near certain chisel values were in teh range of 9-49% on every successful strike, with the chance to shatter a gem as well. I had a very large excel spreadsheet with % increase of my purification and %increase of chiseling. My ranges come from the lowest improvement was usually (if not always) 9%, and the perfect strike was 49%. I want to assume that the other 3 possible chisel outcomes were on the 19,29,39% intervals.

Also, 20k diamonds are certainly possible Jinsem. Not common by any means as it takes a perfect strike. Whatever that expensive rift gem is has been my highest valued one, after purify, chisel, trading skill, 24-25k.

Yeah prices are high. <shrug>
Lochiven

[MrMortimur]

Average *individual* gem value increased 115%

Actual total increase (due to apparent losses?) of 72%

150m in gems profit would require 208m in gems.


Consider, that is also for a half-elf bard in his 60's. Higher level bard, with a better racial modifier and more trading skill would increase profit.

[Danical]

Also, 20k diamonds are certainly possible Jinsem. Not common by any means as it takes a perfect strike. Lochiven

Capped Uncut Diamond = 10000

Perfect Strike @ 49% = 14900

Elf with 301 trading skill and 35 INF (28%) + racial mod (5%) for selling in Illi = 19817

Unless citizenship increases selling/trading modifiers, a 20k uncut diamond is not possible without enhancives to INF and/or Trading.

What's the exact frequency the chisel will blow the gem?

What's the exact frequency the chisel will injury the character?

Is the % increase distribution normal?

[Bobmuhthol]

<<Unless citizenship increases selling/trading modifiers, a 20k uncut diamond is not possible without enhancives to INF and/or Trading.>>

Interestingly enough, citizenship does exactly that.

<<Correcting is one thing...being a dick about it is another.>>

I wasn't being a dick before. I'm being a dick now: you're fucking retarded.

[Danical]

Interestingly enough, citizenship does exactly that.

Awesome! I just made a script to get citizenship on Teras. I'll check back as soon as I find out the specifics and then Eric can alter the Krakiipedia Trading page.


I wasn't being a dick before. I'm being a dick now: you're fucking retarded.

:heart: :lol: :heart:

[Drew]

Average *individual* gem value increased 115%

Actual total increase (due to apparent losses?) of 72%

150m in gems profit would require 208m in gems.


Do keep in mind those were purified and then sold by a character with lots of trading and citizenship, it wasn't solely from the gem chisel. The starting value was from my character appraising them with no citizenship bonus and no trading.

[Drew]

I wasn't being a dick before. I'm being a dick now

All I know is not to look a dickhorse in the mouth.

[MrMortimur]

Chisel will injure player every single use of chisel. Causes a minor for every successful strike or any shatter. If not healed after 1st use, 2nd use of chisel will cause a rank 2 and prevent you from future chiseling until healed.


If someone wants to loan a small bag of gems for data, IM me.

[Danical]

This is a small item, under a pound. In your best estimation, it's worth about 11,000 silvers, and is of superb quality.

I have 156 combined INF + Trading skill = 13%

Burghal Gnome on Teras = -5%

The dwarven clerk takes the firestone and inspects it carefully before saying, "I'll give you 12096 for it if you want to sell."

If citizenship modifies the value of the gem additively with trading/inf/racial mod then it's roughly 2%.

If citizenship modifies the value of the gem after trading/inf/racial mod then it's roughly 1.82%.

I'm thinking it's additive with trading/inf/racial mods

Weird.

[Danical]

All I know is not to look a dickhorse in the mouth.

:lolwave:

Be grateful for the dickery you receive on the PC!

[AestheticDeath]

Can you chisel a gem more than once? Does that increase the odds of breaking beyond the fact thats its now two strikes rather than one strike?

[AestheticDeath]

I thought citizenship gave 5% bonus?

[Danical]

I thought citizenship gave 5% bonus?

Apparently not.

[Drunken Durfin]

I wasn't being a dick before. I'm being a dick now: you're fucking retarded.

Wow, dick and a twelve year old.

[Sylvan Dreams]

Capped Uncut Diamond = 10000

Perfect Strike @ 49% = 14900

Elf with 301 trading skill and 35 INF (28%) + racial mod (5%) for selling in Illi = 19817

Unless citizenship increases selling/trading modifiers, a 20k uncut diamond is not possible without enhancives to INF and/or Trading.

What's the exact frequency the chisel will blow the gem?

What's the exact frequency the chisel will injury the character?

Is the % increase distribution normal?

There is no exact frequency. It's random and based on who the hell knows what. There are seven different things that can happen when you hit a gem with your chisel - two result in (usually) a rank 2 injury (chiseling always yields a rank 1, though it does not stack) and one results in a destruction of the gem.

[Sylvan Dreams]

Chisel will injure player every single use of chisel. Causes a minor for every successful strike or any shatter. If not healed after 1st use, 2nd use of chisel will cause a rank 2 and prevent you from future chiseling until healed.


If someone wants to loan a small bag of gems for data, IM me.

Incorrect.

The initial strike will yield a rank 1 injury, subsequent strikes MAY yield in a rank 2 injury *but not always*.

[Sylvan Dreams]

Can you chisel a gem more than once? Does that increase the odds of breaking beyond the fact thats its now two strikes rather than one strike?

You can only chisel a gem once, though you can still have a bard purify it after it has been struck. Chiseling an already chiseled gem is a guaranteed failure.

[onurb]

You can only chisel a gem once, though you can still have a bard purify it after it has been struck. Chiseling an already chiseled gem is a guaranteed failure.

I thought it was purify first, then chisel? Didn't think you could purify a chiseled gem.

[MrMortimur]

Either order works.

[Cademus]

Real question is how long does each chisel take? 30 seconds per chisel? 60? If it's more then 60 I can just as easily hunt that much longer and recoup the loss from not chiseling gems by the additional boxes/skins/other gems etc.

[MrMortimur]

No roundtime for use, so only the time it takes to have the commands sent to game and the time it takes to have your hand healed.

[Cademus]

Good lord...

[Danical]

There is no exact frequency. It's random and based on who the hell knows what. There are seven different things that can happen when you hit a gem with your chisel - two result in (usually) a rank 2 injury (chiseling always yields a rank 1, though it does not stack) and one results in a destruction of the gem.

Why the christ are you quoting me? Your post has nothing to do with mine. I'm talking about optimal conditions.

:wtf:

[Celephais]

Why the christ are you quoting me? Your post has nothing to do with mine. I'm talking about optimal conditions.

:wtf:
Umm... read the quote of you... the bottom part:

What's the exact frequency the chisel will blow the gem?

What's the exact frequency the chisel will injury the character?

Is the % increase distribution normal?

She then went on to answer those questions:

There is no exact frequency. It's random and based on who the hell knows what. There are seven different things that can happen when you hit a gem with your chisel - two result in (usually) a rank 2 injury (chiseling always yields a rank 1, though it does not stack) and one results in a destruction of the gem.

She wasn't responding to the 20k portion of the post.

[Danical]

She then went on to answer those questions:

Wow! R-Tard points for me for lacking specificity.

Something more like, she didn't answer any of them so why quote me. The randomness is what I want the frequency distribution for, which of course, is the whole point of charting the frequency distributions. Naturally, how could you even say it's random without knowing each event has an equal frequency of occurrence?

Kind of like how out of 102 gem tasks I've been assigned, just over 17% have been uncut diamonds and 11% have been uncut emeralds while the rest are pretty evenly distributed among the other gems. Really weird stuff for gem hoarders.

[Celephais]

Okay, I won't disagree that she didn't really grasp how random and frequency work together... I was just saying she quoted you cause she responded to you :)

She did answer that you will ALWAYS get an injury, so 100%, but there is no way for her to answer the EXACT frequency of destroying the gem... 1/7 with a non-even distribution?...

Drew stated he had 114 gems reduced to 91 gems... I don't know how many were blown from singing, but if we assumed all from chiseling, you've got about a 20% chance to blow a gem.

[Danical]

Drew stated he had 114 gems reduced to 91 gems... I don't know how many were blown from singing, but if we assumed all from chiseling, you've got about a 20% chance to blow a gem.

If the assumption is true . . . gem chisels suck :(

What's even more strange is that injuries don't stack . . . like normal game mechanics.

Is there specific messaging for each type of result on the gem? If there is, it would be pretty easy to crush some data.

TO THE BATCAVE!

[Drunken Durfin]

If there is, it would be pretty easy to crush some data.
There is, this is from an e-mail that I got from MrMortimur...

If memory serves theres 6 possible messages for chiseling. Lowest message relates to 9% increase, then 19, 29, 39, 49. etc. 6th being the shatter.

[Celephais]

There is, this is from an e-mail that I got from MrMortimur...

If memory serves theres 6 possible messages for chiseling. Lowest message relates to 9% increase, then 19, 29, 39, 49. etc. 6th being the shatter.

If it's an even distribution, so my 20% number was off due to singing shatters and it's really a 1/6 shot at any given outcome (16.6%), you average an increase of 7.5% (that's averaging in the shatters). Coupled with needing to heal yourself quite a bit... that's pretty poor.

[Sylvan Dreams]

Real question is how long does each chisel take? 30 seconds per chisel? 60? If it's more then 60 I can just as easily hunt that much longer and recoup the loss from not chiseling gems by the additional boxes/skins/other gems etc.

Chiseling has no roundtime.

[Sthrockmorton]

Chiseling has no roundtime.

For shizzle my chisel

[Danical]

Got some data and here's what I found:

Messaging Frequency # Frequency % Outcome?
off-centered hitting your hand too. 15 39.47368421 10%
pretty good while retaining your grip. 6 15.78947368 30%
chip it along an angle you like. 5 13.15789474 20%
hit it nearly in the center. 5 13.15789474 40%
You ruefully shake your wounded hand 3 7.894736842 Missed!
You are pleased with the results. 2 5.263157895 50%
shatter it with a strong strike in the wrong spot. 2 5.263157895 Shattered
Total 38 100

How the fuck do I format this shit? I'm not sure on the outcomes, it's just a guess.

[MrMortimur]

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