PP flaring

[Silent_Willy]

Funny title right?

Not really.

Anyway, can PP's be used to put reactive flares on armor?

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

yes

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Flares
Does flaring armor use the same formula as flaring weapons?
Yes.
Are flares added to armor via the Premium Point System offensive or reactive?
Actually, flares added to armor via the premium point system are both offensive AND reactive. They'll go off when something hits you and when you perform certain maneuvers on creatures.
Can spiked armor get reactive flares?
Yes.
Can crit padded armor get reactive flares?
No, it's just like weapons. Either weighting OR flares.
Can spiked, crit padded armor get reactive flares?
No. See above.
Can shields get reactive flares?
Shield flares are offensive only.
Can spiked shields get reactive flares?
No. See above.

http://www.play.net/gs4/premium/premium_faq.asp#flares

[Silent_Willy]

My bad, was looking around and didnt see that

[Sthrockmorton]

Can spiked armor get reactive flares?
Yes.

So spiked armor with these flares added can potentially flare twice in one (offensive) hit?

[TheEschaton]

You obviously don't understand the word REACTIVE

The spiked part is the offensive flare, and it can further get reactive (IE, defensive) flares.

[Bobmuhthol]

Maybe I'm completely fucking retarded, TheE, but the way the questions are laid out suggests to me that you could get two flares:


Are flares added to armor via the Premium Point System offensive or reactive?
Actually, flares added to armor via the premium point system are both offensive AND reactive. They'll go off when something hits you and when you perform certain maneuvers on creatures.
Statement A: If you add REACTIVE flares with premium points, then your armor now has the chance to flare when you perform an applicable CMAN.

Can spiked armor get reactive flares?
Yes.
Statement B: If your armor is spiked, then you can still add REACTIVE flares.

Combining statements A and B and assuming that they are both true and are not mutually exclusive, there exists a conclusion that "If your armor is spiked, then your armor now has the chance to flare when you perform an applicable CMAN."

Making another assumption -- that there is no check in place to ensure only one flare may activate on a given attack -- it then becomes possible for both to flare at once if both get a successful flare roll.

[Zarli]

Why can't people just answer a question without being shitty and/or sarcastic? If it's putting you out that much to answer the question well you know.. you dont actually have to open a thread and answer it, no one is forcing your fingers onto the keyboard to type out the answer.

[TheEschaton]

Err, the question says, "Are flares added to armor via the Premium Point System offensive or reactive?"

This implies there are two types of flares added when you flare normal armor, offensive, and reactive.

The next question merely asks if you can get REACTIVE flares on spiked armor. Yes - it'll result in spike flares (offensive) and the reactive flare you get.

If you apply a little reading comprehension and logical intuition, if the question was, "Can spiked armor get OFFENSIVE flares?" you should be able to answer with some confidence "No", if you know anything about spike flares to begin with.

[Izzy]

Err, the question says, "Are flares added to armor via the Premium Point System offensive or reactive?"

The answer says, "Actually, flares added to armor via the premium point system are both offensive AND reactive. They'll go off when something hits you and when you perform certain maneuvers on creatures."

It doesn't say "flares added to non-spiked armor via...," it says flares added to armor.


This implies there are two types of flares added when you flare normal armor, offensive, and reactive.

I don't think it implies that it has to be normal armor at all. To me, it says if you type "gimme flares on my armor plz," you get both flares. Unless the armor cannot accept flares because it is already padded. Then you get no flares, period.


The next question merely asks if you can get REACTIVE flares on spiked armor. Yes - it'll result in spike flares (offensive) and the reactive flare you get.

If you apply a little reading comprehension and logical intuition, if the question was, "Can spiked armor get OFFENSIVE flares?" you should be able to answer with some confidence "No", if you know anything about spike flares to begin with.

Based purely on my reading comprehension and logical intuition, you're wrong. I would agree that the above question doesn't confirm that there are offensive flares added to spiked armor, but also doesn't deny it. According to the given documentation, if you add flares to your armor via PP, you get both offensive and reactive flares. It doesn't specify what armor you added the flares to. Thus, you should in fact have spikes and offensive flares simultaneously. There are several instances of double flares in game already (1625 flares, sonic weapon flares), so I see no reason why this is unreasonable.

[Sean of the Thread]

I hope this thread dies soon... every time I see it the title I have the urge to pop some antibiotics.

[Bobmuhthol]

I love when TheE is wrong when he tries to correct people/me.

[TheEschaton]

Not double flares of different components (IE, spikes and lightning).

Logic says this: If the question is asked about armor in general, and the answer is both, and then a question is asked about SPECIFIC armor which already has offensive flares, and the answer is "reactive", the implication is that the offensive flares are not added on top of the spikes.

And if you think of it mechanically for more than a second, that makes sense.

[Celephais]

Not double flares of different components (IE, spikes and lightning).

Logic says this: If the question is asked about armor in general, and the answer is both, and then a question is asked about SPECIFIC armor which already has offensive flares, and the answer is "reactive", the implication is that the offensive flares are not added on top of the spikes.

And if you think of it mechanically for more than a second, that makes sense.
You can't make that conclusion from an FAQ, these are questions posed to them. The answer was NOT "reactive" the question was reactive, the question was poorly formed. I'm not sure either way but you cannot make the assumtions you have based on the information you have, logically you're not connecting.

[Fallen]

On armor accessories, atleast, flare fire defensively (someone hitting you in the head with an AS/DS roll), and both flares and spikes will go off when striking offensively.

Spikes are offensively only (that I have seen), not defensive.

[Silent_Willy]

I dont understand the argument. It's like watching storks clean their own ass.