Life is tough...

[Janisi]

But it's tougher when you're stupid.


The guy who moved into the apartment across from me a little while ago is REALLY hot, so I went and started talking to him, and we hit it off real well. Then one day he invites me to come inside his apartment - we normally went into mine to talk. We get there and he has a bag of cocaine sitting on the table, and asks me if I want some. Of course, I say now and walk back over to my apartment where I lock the door and ponder about why I didn't realize he was a cocaine abuser.

[Janisi]

I guess you all think cocaine use is fine, then?

[Jolena]

Actually no, I certainly don't think cocaine use is fine.. However, I guess to each their own. It's his brain and body he's killing. And don't feel too bad Janisi.. sometimes you can't really tell.. especially if that person is always high off of it.. you never have the chance to see him 'normal' so what you see you think IS normal.

[Adhara]

Cocaine is also popular with a totally different crowd. It's a "high class" drug. From where I'm from it's nicknamed the "doctors' drug" because surgeons were at some point known to use it for its ability to amplify precision, focus and dexterity. A friend of mine who was a model in Europe was also telling me that it's models' favorite. A lot of young, good looking "hip" people prefer cocaine. So I don't think you should blame yourself for not suspecting he was a user.

[Edited on 12-2-2003 by Adhara]

[Chelle]

You did the right thing by leaving. Who knows what other surprises there may have been.

It's a shame how some really bright and generally good people get into things like that and end up ruining their once great lives. It is really too bad. If they would step back and see the bigger picture, then they wouldn't do those things.

[Betheny]

I won't even be buddies with people that smoke pot. I just don't want to be around that shit anymore.

[HarmNone]

If he wants to waste his money and his life on such things, it is his decision, I suppose. Sounds to me like you are making a better decision on what to do with yours. :)

HarmNone thinks you are using good sense, Janisi

[StrayRogue]

Cokes a different ball game to say weed etc. You did the right thing in my mind.

[HappyGuyJr]

A 'bag' of cocain brings up all kinds of possibilities... fact of the matter is.. only someone fantastically stupid, or totally arrogant would do something like that.

Either type tend to find themselves in ugly situations of violence.. you dont need that kind of grief in your life

[Betheny]

Better you walk out, drugs make dicks limp.

[Zeyrin]

Cocaine does make people both stupid and arrogant. I've seen it quite a bit. What's really harsh is seeing someone your age dieing from a coke overdose. It's not pretty.

Avoid that asshole at all costs Janisi.

[Weedmage Princess]

I don't think you should be so concerned that you didn't realize sooner that he liked the nose candy...that is unless you've spent a lot of time around the guy..then yeah. But otherwise, he could have been just starting out...or he's "wearing it well." But yeah, that's some hardcore stuff...better you found out now rather than later when you were already involved and it was too late.

[Tsa`ah]

There isn't anything "wrong" with drug use. It's a personal choice. The damage to self and those around you that stems from addiction is "wrong".

I've said it in another thread on a different subject, but if someone wants to do that sort of thing, fine, just don't do it where children and bystanders could be affected.

Unfortunately, drug dealers are generally uncaring about who gets the product, so long as they can feed their own addiction or materialism.

That you walked out makes you human. You next step should be to move. The potential danger to you for knowing what's over there and what's being done is too great in my opinion.

[Rastaman]

Cocaine is bad news.

[Kurili]

You did the right thing, Janisi. And no, I dont consider cocaine 'ok' by any means. And I think Tsa'ah might be right about looking for a place to move. The possible problems there could be a real pain.

Acolyte Kurili

[Caiylania]

Originally posted by Tsa`ah
There isn't anything "wrong" with drug use. It's a personal choice. The damage to self and those around you that stems from addiction is "wrong".

I've said it in another thread on a different subject, but if someone wants to do that sort of thing, fine, just don't do it where children and bystanders could be affected.

I disagree. It is not just about what you are doing to your body, it is the fact that it is against the law, and that by buying ILLEGAL drugs you are giving money to people who use it to buy more drugs, guns, and kill people.

Also, MOST drug dealers themselves are low level scum, that are Backed by bigger threats. Such as Terrorists.

So IMHO people who do drugs are hurting not only there bodies, but buying Osama Bin Laden lunch, dinner, and plane tickets.

[ThisOtherKingdom]

Originally posted by Caiylania

So IMHO people who do drugs are hurting not only there bodies, but buying Osama Bin Laden lunch, dinner, and plane tickets.

Ohhh, don't you love people who take everything the government tells them as the absolute truth.

[Caiylania]

No I don't, thankyou for asking. Don't you love people who diss everything the government says without finding out the facts?

[ThisOtherKingdom]

Originally posted by Caiylania
No I don't, thankyou for asking. Don't you love people who diss everything the government says without finding out the facts?

First of all, I haven't done that. Second of all, please go on believing that 9/11 happened because the guy across the hall from Janisi likes to do a few lines.

[Caiylania]

I don't believe 9/11 happened because her neighbor did a line.

I do believe that drug money is such a huge industry, run by so many people who could give a shit about the people dying from the drugs they make, that no government can track who most are or what they do. Many governments, not just US, have been able to stop terrorist run drug operations, and have been able to show that the drug money went to providing weapons, training, and other needed supplies for terrorists to do what they do best. Kill people.

[HappyGuyJr]

This has got to be one of the most ignorant statements I have ever read.. It's like blaming chemo for making you sick and not the cancer or leukimia...

If your willing to do something to yourself, that effects, impairs, or alters your ability to make a judgement call or decision, that is not only wrong, it's stupid. This whole "It's my body... I can do what I want with it" concept is FINE, as long as you can do so responsibly and safely.

Perfect example is that one person everyone knows who can't just drink with friends, they have to get fall down, puke their guts up and black out drunk. Those kinds of people need a fucking lobotomy, and I'll provide the bullet.


Originally posted by Tsa`ah
There isn't anything "wrong" with drug use. It's a personal choice. The damage to self and those around you that stems from addiction is "wrong".

I've said it in another thread on a different subject, but if someone wants to do that sort of thing, fine, just don't do it where children and bystanders could be affected.

[ThisOtherKingdom]

And why is it such a huge industry? Because they're illegal. Hmmmm...

[Caiylania]

That I agree with. The government should legalize some of the less harmful drugs so that they can regulate them and make them safer as well as take away buisness from drug scummers.

[HappyGuyJr]

Lealize everything.. make great big fat piles of crack, cocain, heroin, PCP.... EVERYTHING.. put it all in a room, let a person go in, do as much as they want. Close the door.. lock it.. come back a day later,.. take the body out and burn it..

NEXT!!

Lets weed out the morons and the addicts before they further muddy up the genepool :D

[Edited on 12-3-2003 by HappyGuyJr]

[Caiylania]

ROFL Damn skippy

[Weedmage Princess]

It's not just terrorists and the drug dealers on the corner who are benefitting from illegal drug sales...you'd be amazed how many people in our good ol' government are raking it in as well..heh.

[Caiylania]

I know, it makes me sick. I have lost people to drugs, my family has been torn apart by it, and my best friend almost died. No one did shit. I never touched the stuff and never will.

[Drew2]

I like yogurt.

[HappyGuyJr]

I do to.. it smears sooo nice.. but you have to remember to wash it off before it dries or you can break out in a rash.. and that fruit and nuts at the bottom stuff really chafes :(


Originally posted by Tayre
I like yogurt.

[Edited on 12-3-2003 by HappyGuyJr]

[Betheny]

wtf?

[Drew2]

Originally posted by HappyGuyJr
I do to.. it smears sooo nice.. but you have to remember to wash it of before it dries or you can break out in a rash.. and that fruit and nuts at the botom stuff really chafes :(


Originally posted by Tayre
I like yogurt.

Leave it to you to take a completely, unthought-out, random comment to derail a topic I found boring and turn it into some weird (and probably sexual) statement about chaffing.

/mutter

[Tsa`ah]

Originally posted by Caiylania
I disagree. It is not just about what you are doing to your body, it is the fact that it is against the law, and that by buying ILLEGAL drugs you are giving money to people who use it to buy more drugs, guns, and kill people.

Also, MOST drug dealers themselves are low level scum, that are Backed by bigger threats. Such as Terrorists.

So IMHO people who do drugs are hurting not only there bodies, but buying Osama Bin Laden lunch, dinner, and plane tickets.

What a limited scope of thought you have.

I'm sure there are terrorist groups that receive funding from drug sales. Specifically the sale of opiates.

While the illegal drug industry is huge, I highly doubt extremist groups control a significant percentage.

Our own government does far more to fund and enable such groups.

You as a consumer do far more to fund attacks such as 9/11 than the average drug abuser, not only via taxes, but by grocery shopping, filling your prescriptions, buying clothing, so on and so forth.

As the end consumers, citizens of this country could care less exactly where the plastic came from that go into the oil bottle. We could care less that the clothes we wear are made by children who exploited by systems that fund terrorist. We don't think twice when the taxes we pay are in turn handed over to Terrorist friendly states.

Let's not forget that a huge chunk of drug abuse in today's age is that of prescription drugs.

And let's not forget that just because something is ILLEGAL, doesn't mean the law is right.

It is illegal to mispronounce Arkansas while in Arkansas.

Unmarried women can't go parachuting on Sunday or she shall risk arrest, fine, and/or jailing in Florida.

Kisses may last for as much as, but no more than, five minutes in Iowa.

Again I say there is nothing wrong with drug use. The affects to those around you and the harm you inflict upon yourself is wrong.


Originally posted by HappyGuyJr
This has got to be one of the most ignorant statements I have ever read.. It's like blaming chemo for making you sick and not the cancer or leukimia...

If your willing to do something to yourself, that effects, impairs, or alters your ability to make a judgement call or decision, that is not only wrong, it's stupid. This whole "It's my body... I can do what I want with it" concept is FINE, as long as you can do so responsibly and safely.

Perfect example is that one person everyone knows who can't just drink with friends, they have to get fall down, puke their guts up and black out drunk. Those kinds of people need a fucking lobotomy, and I'll provide the bullet.

Way to read selectively and not comprehend what you did read.

[Overlord]

*Hands Tsa`ah a beer* Well said, save me the trouble lol

[Souzy]

I'd rather drink and smoke my cigarettes.

Janisi you did the right thing by walking away.

[ThisOtherKingdom]

Originally posted by Lalana
I'd rather drink and smoke my cigarettes.


Now there's America for you!

[Caiylania]

Originally posted by Tsa`ah

Originally posted by Caiylania
I disagree. It is not just about what you are doing to your body, it is the fact that it is against the law, and that by buying ILLEGAL drugs you are giving money to people who use it to buy more drugs, guns, and kill people.

Also, MOST drug dealers themselves are low level scum, that are Backed by bigger threats. Such as Terrorists.

So IMHO people who do drugs are hurting not only there bodies, but buying Osama Bin Laden lunch, dinner, and plane tickets.

What a limited scope of thought you have.

In your opinion.


I'm sure there are terrorist groups that receive funding from drug sales. Specifically the sale of opiates.

While the illegal drug industry is huge, I highly doubt extremist groups control a significant percentage.

I never said they did own a significant percentage. My point was that money spent in illegal enterprises funds people who might be planning to kill your coworkers, family, or friends.

Joe coke smoker and friends go out and buy from a small time dealer. Dealer works for a big man. Big Man wants a certain lawmaker gone. Using money he makes from his drug buisness, he hires a hitman.

These guys wouldn't have money if people didn't buy from them.


Our own government does far more to fund and enable such groups.

I'm game. How?


You as a consumer do far more to fund attacks such as 9/11 than the average drug abuser, not only via taxes, but by grocery shopping, filling your prescriptions, buying clothing, so on and so forth.

Tax money... lets see...... fixes roads, pays for schools, pays civil service workers, pays for social services, FDA, lawmakers, congress, police, firemen, safety agencies, .......

Grocery shopping... damn, that farmer made money off me today!

Legal meds, don't know enough about that system to argue. :D

Clothes, yeah ok... fill me in here.


As the end consumers, citizens of this country could care less exactly where the plastic came from that go into the oil bottle. We could care less that the clothes we wear are made by children who exploited by systems that fund terrorist. We don't think twice when the taxes we pay are in turn handed over to Terrorist friendly states.

Um, we do care. Current events there. Plenty of clothing lines have been shut down and run out of buisness by consumers finding out about sweat shops and such.

We do care about were taxes go, the USA has refused the help known terrorist symphathizers and works with getting money past governments and directly to people in need.


Let's not forget that a huge chunk of drug abuse in today's age is that of prescription drugs.

No argument.


And let's not forget that just because something is ILLEGAL, doesn't mean the law is right.

No argument. Please refer to earlier posts discussing that very thing.


It is illegal to mispronounce Arkansas while in Arkansas.

Unmarried women can't go parachuting on Sunday or she shall risk arrest, fine, and/or jailing in Florida.

Kisses may last for as much as, but no more than, five minutes in Iowa.

Breaking those laws doesn't supply money to drug dealers, or other people who profit from the degradation of other human beings.


Again I say there is nothing wrong with drug use. The affects to those around you and the harm you inflict upon yourself is wrong.


No argument. :)

[LazyBard]

Originally posted by Caiylania
Tax money... lets see...... fixes roads, pays for schools, pays civil service workers, pays for social services, FDA, lawmakers, congress, police, firemen, safety agencies, .......

tax money = situations like Iraq Iran war where our government chose Iraq and their governing body as the lesser of the two evils so in turn gave them weapons and military training whice years later rturned around and bit us in the ass....shrug


and if you have traveled the world much countries that have legalized some of the softer drugs and taxed them just like we do alcohol and cigarettes don't have the drug problems we do. you don't have a influx of teen and early adult usage. they grew up knowing about it were educated about it and the majority don't abuse them.


just my two cents but I will go back to being the midgit in the corner and watch now

[Caiylania]

Originally posted by LazyBard

Originally posted by Caiylania
Tax money... lets see...... fixes roads, pays for schools, pays civil service workers, pays for social services, FDA, lawmakers, congress, police, firemen, safety agencies, .......

tax money = situations like Iraq Iran war where our government chose Iraq and their governing body as the lesser of the two evils so in turn gave them weapons and military training whice years later rturned around and bit us in the ass....shrug

Back to point, I am not saying the only way bad guys get money is through illegal drugs. I am saying that buy purchasing illegal things that are sold by people with shady/downright bad intentions people are influxing money into the bad guy industry. :P And that is wrong. NO GOOD comes from drug money.


and if you have traveled the world much countries that have legalized some of the softer drugs and taxed them just like we do alcohol and cigarettes don't have the drug problems we do. you don't have a influx of teen and early adult usage. they grew up knowing about it were educated about it and the majority don't abuse them.

I have already agreed to this. I DO think some drugs should be legalized for those very reasons.

All I am trying to say, is that when you put money into illegal activities, you are funding illegal activities which can be anything from small time to terrorizm. That is what is wrong.



just my two cents but I will go back to being the midgit in the corner and watch now

As long as you don't have a telescope, watch away ;)

[Fraidycat]

I have done every drug I can think of except PCP . . .
The best feeling in the world was being offered to smoke a line of brown at a party I took the night off work to go to and looking the girl right in the eye and telling her to just 'pin' it. Told her the best way to get the feeling she wanted and paid for was to inject and hope she died . . . . that way it'll never wear off.
Damn fucking thing is though . .
She was actually trying to get off it later that month but her boyfriend stabbed her up with a broken mirror.
That part makes me want to kill someone.

[Caiylania]

Well that story sure filled me with good thoughts. :/

[Fraidycat]

Take that shit and eventually you die . .
Dont take it and eventually you die.
How they think around here . . sunny shitsville

[LazyBard]

Originally posted by Caiylania


As long as you don't have a telescope, watch away ;)

of course I don't have a telescope I am the midgit in the corner with the video camera :smilegrin:

[HappyGuyJr]

I didn't 'selectivly' read ANYTHING, your words indicated you felt nothign was wrong with the initial act of taking or doing drugs, rather it was what happened AFTER you did the drugs was wrong.. and that bullshit.

Its called personal accountability dumbass. You have to take responsibility for your actions, and their eventual effect. If you can't be responsible enough to maintain some semblance of control or restraint.. you shouldnt be allowed to make decisions for yourself.. because your too fucking stupid to be allowed to if your actions end up endangering or hurting others..

You cant have it both ways. you can't just disconnect cause and effect. They are DIRECTLY related, If your doing bad things because your doing drugs.. then the doing the drugs is bad too.

Stick THAT up your prettily phrased horseshit ass and smoke it


Originally posted by Tsa`ah

Way to read selectively and not comprehend what you did read.

[Edited on 12-4-2003 by HappyGuyJr]

[Tsa`ah]

Oh the rantings of the delusional.

Again, you have selectively read and incompetently comprehended.

Drinking - Not bad.
Drinking and driving - Bad.
Drinking and parenting while under the influence - Bad.
Drinking until you develop liver disease - Bad.
Snorting coke - Not so bad.
Snorting coke and trying to perform work duties - Bad.
Snorting coke and performing parental duties - Bad.
Snorting coke until the cartilage in your nasal cavity decays - Bad.
Smoking pot - Not bad.
Smoking pot and driving - Bad.
Smoking pot and being a parent - Bad.

People who remove themselves the social equation while partaking in recreational experimentation show a level of responsibility that the average smoker hasn't been able to comprehend so far.

To me there are far more pressing issues in today's world than drugs. Chalk this one up to an issue that we will never agree on.

Right now it's late, and I'm being called to other areas of the board, so I'll save a response to Caiylania for later.

[HappyGuyJr]

Would you stop and listen to the utter CRAP your posting?

"Partaking in recreational experimentation"??

Are you shitting me?? What are you intending to discover.. the secrets to the Universe? Inner enlightenment? Reversion to a primal state?? DUDE.. you killing brain cells and wasting hours of your life your never going to get back when you do drugs.. at what point does that become 'responsible', reguardless or wether or not you eliminated the observer equation???

Get real you dorkus


Originally posted by Tsa`ah
People who remove themselves the social equation while partaking in recreational experimentation show a level of responsibility that the average smoker hasn't been able to comprehend so far.

Using nice words and eloquent statements doesnt change the fact that your spewing the same self justificating bullshit every other burnout I met at Santa Cruz University regurgitated when it came to 4:20

[Edited on 12-4-2003 by HappyGuyJr]

[LazyBard]

Originally posted by HappyGuyJr
Would you stop and listen to the utter CRAP your posting?

"Partaking in recreational experimentation"??

Are you shitting me?? What are you intending to discover.. the secrets to the Universe? Inner enlightenment? Reversion to a primal state?? DUDE.. you killing brain cells and wasting hours of your life your never going to get back when you do drugs.. at what point does that become 'responsible', reguardless or wether or not you eliminated the observer equation???

Get real you dorkus


Originally posted by Tsa`ah
People who remove themselves the social equation while partaking in recreational experimentation show a level of responsibility that the average smoker hasn't been able to comprehend so far.

Using nice words and eloquent statements doesnt change the fact that your spewing the same self justificating bullshit every other burnout I met at Santa Cruz University regurgitated when it came to 4:20

[Edited on 12-4-2003 by HappyGuyJr]


so your saying drinking alcohol and smoking should never be done either?? they are both detrimental to ones body as well. Not to mention the fact I have seen ten times more accidents, fights and just general problems from someone drinking then I EVER have from smoking weed.



and if I totally took your coments out of context sorry in advance its like 9:15 in the morning and I really should have went to bed at some point durring the night

[HappyGuyJr]

I dont drink or smoke either.. never smoked, and drinking makes my morning workout a living nightmare.. so its a no-no

[LazyBard]

Originally posted by HappyGuyJr
I dont drink or smoke either.. never smoked, and drinking makes my morning workout a living nightmare.. so its a no-no
I try to avoid that morning workout it doesn't go well with my sleeping in until noon or getting home from the bar at 5 in the morning..... the evening workout I try and do at least 3 or 4 times a week though but it only consists of a 12 oz curl and a dance my ass off

[HappyGuyJr]

lol!!! at least your willing to admit it.. and didnt peddle some sob story about how "I USED to, but Ive been so busy what with teaching little league, running the boys chior, and helping out with the PTA and the Boyscouts I just dont have TIME to exercise any more" :D

[Betheny]

Masturbation is exercise. :thumbsup:

[Caiylania]

I have a sob story. But it's not excuse. Back to the sweat shop! grunts off

[HappyGuyJr]

LOL Maimara....

I was reading how if your a chronic masturbater, it can lead to stroke, permanent lower back injury, and headaches..

seems that a growing number of people masterbate in a chair or on the couch, and are putting huge amounts of pressure on their lower back from poor body position, and the 'pressure' from the expelling urge during orgasm amplifies it dozens of times. The same sudden pressure on a circulatory system that doesn't get regular exercise (overweight, hi blood pressure, clinical diabetes, any other factors in various combinations), can led to serious headaches and eventual stroke or heart attack..

Man.. getting to be a person cant even masturbate in peace any more.. man.. wouldn't that SUCK if you had a stroke, and someone came in and found you there permanently burned out in mid act?

I guess the moral of the story is.. maintain good posture at ALL times! Besides.. theres something SO damn sexy about a girl with her back straight, shoulders back, and head up.. shes just beautifull.. I dont care what she looks like


Originally posted by Maimara
Masturbation is exercise. :thumbsup:

[Caiylania]

Originally posted by HappyGuyJr
I was reading how if your a chronic masturbater, it can lead to stroke, permanent lower back injury, and headaches..

Shit, now you tell me! :grin:

[HappyGuyJr]

Just don't masterbate is all, give me a call, we can work something out.. completly theraputic and healthy.. Satisfaction garunteed... or I have to do it all over again till you ARE satisfied...

It's in the contract.

Originally posted by Tsa`ah
There isn't anything "wrong" with drug use. It's a personal choice. The damage to self and those around you that stems from addiction is "wrong"


your wrong about this, Others drug use is a drain on me, I ask you how many people die because of it, and how many of my tax $ goto help thoes that are A) addicted B)overdose and goto a hospital (ill bet you the vast majority of people who say overdose on Crack or heroin dont have medical insurance... they have more important things to spend their money on)
C) are homless and a basic drain on society

so to say that thier choice to use drugs effects nobody but themselves is false and you really should look at the larger picture before you make a statment like that.

[Myshel]

This is a sob story so skip if your not interested.

I'm a child of the seventies drug culture. I've seen it from pot smoking to heroin abuse.
Smoking pot = arrested developement. Lots of 40 year olds walking around with 16 year old emotional developement. Leading to harder drugs? oh yea, when your high on weed, harder drugs don't seem so bad, might even be fun, why not?

NO one knows before they drink, smoke, shoot up or snort if they have a addictive personality. NO one plans on becoming a alcoholic or addict, the first time they do it. Its the roll of the dice of fate.

Moral of the story: Know your family history, of 7 people in my family.
1987 - Mother 57 yrs old- died of lung cancer - cigarettes
1993 - Brother 45 yrs old- died on his motorcycle, BUT just got out of the hospital and given 2 years to live, his liver was gone from drug use and drinking. (we will never know if his accident was planned, but he talked about his death prior to the accident)
Sister - 1997 40 yrs old. Liver gone from drinking. She was a alcoholic from her first drink at 16.
Brother - 1997 45 yrs old. Suicide, drug user and alcoholic.
Father - 1999 69. Alcoholic

My youngest brother and I are the only ones left. Do I drink, does he? We are both very conscience of our family history, a glass of wine or two for me and a occasional beer for him.

[Czeska]

My childhood best friend died last summer. She killed herself. Took her 15 years of cocaine to do it. Yeah, walking out on the coke guy was a good call.

[Tsa`ah]

Umm.... We really need to work on basic comprehension.

I never said it does not affect anyone but themselves.

Drug use is not a bad, terrible thing. Addiction is.

Distinguish between the two.

The casual "user" is not to be confused with an addict.

A casual user who removes themselves from potentially harming anyone else should not be confused with a casual user who does not show consideration for anyone but themselves.


Originally posted by HappyGuyJr
I didn't 'selectivly' read ANYTHING, your words indicated you felt nothign was wrong with the initial act of taking or doing drugs, rather it was what happened AFTER you did the drugs was wrong.. and that bullshit.

Its called personal accountability dumbass. You have to take responsibility for your actions, and their eventual effect. If you can't be responsible enough to maintain some semblance of control or restraint.. you shouldnt be allowed to make decisions for yourself.. because your too fucking stupid to be allowed to if your actions end up endangering or hurting others..

You cant have it both ways. you can't just disconnect cause and effect. They are DIRECTLY related, If your doing bad things because your doing drugs.. then the doing the drugs is bad too.

Stick THAT up your prettily phrased horseshit ass and smoke it

I can't help it that you have the comprehension and command of language that can only be compared to a chimp that suffers from both anorchism and erectile dysfunction.

You, like Edine, are confusing consumption with addiction. There are very distinct differences between the two.

Responsible recreational consumption is no different than clubbing with a designated driver.

Consumption driven by addiction is generally reckless and comparable to getting wasted at a bar and driving home when they kick you out.

You obviously have some anger issues. Perhaps no one ever passed the bong to you and you're totally scarred due to the rejection at the hands of potheads. You have to have some major personality problems to be ostracized by potheads. It totally wouldn't surprise me.

Now, before anyone else starts reading what isn't there or fails to comprehend the very distinct differences I have pointed out, I do not use drugs. I have in my youth smoked pot. I have tried a few more potent drugs once or twice.

I'm not condoning drug use, but neither will I condemn it simply due to social programming.

Don't put words in my mouth, don't run off on maniacal tangents with something you misunderstood, and don't blame me because your mother fed you paint chips in your radon saturated nursery.

Honestly I think you just need to sit down with a big fat bowl and get yourself some closure.

[Edited on 12-5-2003 by Tsa`ah]

[Betheny]

I masturbate all the time. Fuck posture, I want orgasms.

p.s., don't hit on me please, or you will die.

[HappyGuyJr]

Drugs are bad.... MMMMmkay?


Originally posted by Tsa`ah
Umm.... We really need to work on basic comprehension.

I never said it does not affect anyone but themselves.

Drug use is not a bad, terrible thing. Addiction is.

Distinguish between the two.

The casual "user" is not to be confused with an addict.

A casual user who removes themselves from potentially harming anyone else should not be confused with a casual user who does not show consideration for anyone but themselves.


Originally posted by HappyGuyJr
I didn't 'selectivly' read ANYTHING, your words indicated you felt nothign was wrong with the initial act of taking or doing drugs, rather it was what happened AFTER you did the drugs was wrong.. and that bullshit.

Its called personal accountability dumbass. You have to take responsibility for your actions, and their eventual effect. If you can't be responsible enough to maintain some semblance of control or restraint.. you shouldnt be allowed to make decisions for yourself.. because your too fucking stupid to be allowed to if your actions end up endangering or hurting others..

You cant have it both ways. you can't just disconnect cause and effect. They are DIRECTLY related, If your doing bad things because your doing drugs.. then the doing the drugs is bad too.

Stick THAT up your prettily phrased horseshit ass and smoke it

I can't help it that you have the comprehension and command of language that can only be compared to a chimp that suffers from both anorchism and erectile dysfunction.

You, like Edine, are confusing consumption with addiction. There are very distinct differences between the two.

Responsible recreational consumption is no different than clubbing with a designated driver.

Consumption driven by addiction is generally reckless and comparable to getting wasted at a bar and driving home when they kick you out.

You obviously have some anger issues. Perhaps no one ever passed the bong to you and you're totally scarred due to the rejection at the hands of potheads. You have to have some major personality problems to be ostracized by potheads. It totally wouldn't surprise me.

Now, before anyone else starts reading what isn't there or fails to comprehend the very distinct differences I have pointed out, I do not use drugs. I have in my youth smoked pot. I have tried a few more potent drugs once or twice.

I'm not condoning drug use, but neither will I condemn it simply due to social programming.

Don't put words in my mouth, don't run off on maniacal tangents with something you misunderstood, and don't blame me because your mother fed you paint chips in your radon saturated nursery.

Honestly I think you just need to sit down with a big fat bowl and get yourself some closure.

[Edited on 12-5-2003 by Tsa`ah]

[HappyGuyJr]

[twitching and fidgetting furiously] must...... resist... urge.......


Originally posted by Maimara
I masturbate all the time. Fuck posture, I want orgasms.

p.s., don't hit on me please, or you will die.

consuming easily adds to addiction
when things such as coke and crack are cheap and easy to obtain... and lawfull they will be consumed to the point of a phycial addiction... think about it how many friends do you have that do crack just on occasion or shoot up just for fun? and are not addicted... I can point to quite a few of my highschool friends that I will not Associate with anymore because of thier addiction to coke and the lifestyle they now lead so they can get thier hands on a 8ball and have a "fun" weekend.

[HappyGuyJr]

[sighs happily] I don't HAVE to flirt any more... I know she loves me now :D


Originally posted by HappyGuyJr
[twitching and fidgetting furiously] must...... resist... urge.......


Originally posted by Maimara
I masturbate all the time. Fuck posture, I want orgasms.

p.s., don't hit on me please, or you will die.

[Caiylania]

What GOOD comes from doing illegal drugs? and I don't mean the chemical temp high / or low or whatever.

Tell me that, what GOOD do they do? Hmm?

I do think marijuana should be legal for medicenal purposes. So we don't have to debate that one.

I am talking about the average, healthy user. (healthy meaning no drug caused problems) What GOOD does drug use do for them. ?

[HappyGuyJr]

Your using the word healthy, as if it doesnt also describe the state of and condition of their mind. There CAN'T be any justifiable reason for doing or taking drugs, if you don't have an actual medical condition that requires them.

It's simply another crutch to kill time, alter your perceptions, or otherwise avoid the reality of your useless and wasted life. If it weren't useless or wasted, you would be out DOING something , creating something, helping someone with it.

Instead, you justify the activity by splitting hairs and subjective rationalization.

"I'm not hurting anyone, and it's not like I can't stop any time I want. And I don't NEED to do them either."

Um... why did you start in the first place.. FUCKHEAD!?!? Whya re you doing them at ALL?!?!?!


Originally posted by Caiylania
What GOOD comes from doing illegal drugs? and I don't mean the chemical temp high / or low or whatever.

Tell me that, what GOOD do they do? Hmm?

I do think marijuana should be legal for medicenal purposes. So we don't have to debate that one.

I am talking about the average, healthy user. (healthy meaning no drug caused problems) What GOOD does drug use do for them. ?

[Edited on 12-6-2003 by HappyGuyJr]

[Betheny]

I don't fucking love you, pretend I don't exist or I'll kill myself.

Oh I would also like to point out that the use of Mary Jane for medical reasons is and has been blown out of proportion... Its only real use in the treatment of glacoma is that of pain relief and ther are other non-addictive drugs that can be perscribed to do the same job better

[Betheny]

Originally posted by The Edine
Oh I would also like to point out that the use of Mary Jane for medical reasons is and has been blown out of proportion... Its only real use in the treatment of glacoma is that of pain relief and ther are other non-addictive drugs that can be perscribed to do the same job better

You forgot chemotherapy patients.

If you've known anyone that has gone through chemotherapy/radiotherapy or been through it yourself, you know that nausea is the #1 worst side effect. You lose appetite... etc.

Marijuana has been proven to help chemotherapy patients maintain a steady diet and avoid vomiting like a shaken can of Mountain Dew.

do not believe what some pot head puts on a website saying are the good things about its medical use.... they often are telling little white lies to make it sound better than it is

[HappyGuyJr]

I wish you wouldn't post things like that.. it makes me sad :(.. and I don't mean about how you feel about me, but that you would even talk about killing yourself :(


Originally posted by Maimara
I don't fucking love you, pretend I don't exist or I'll kill myself.

[Betheny]

Yeah, 'pot heads' just want to smoke pot. Were it to become legal they'd give up on it and move onto something far more 'amusing' and 'taboo' like kiddie porn.

[Betheny]

Originally posted by HappyGuyJr
I wish you wouldn't post things like that.. it makes me sad :(.. and I don't mean about how you feel about me, but that you would even talk about killing yourself :(


Originally posted by Maimara
I don't fucking love you, pretend I don't exist or I'll kill myself.

THEN FUCKING KNOCK IT OFF

I don't know you, I don't care about you, now please, shut the fuck up where me, anything about me, or anything said by me, is concerned.

[HappyGuyJr]

Geezus Christ.. fine.. I cannot believe you are such an unbelievable psychotic bitch, and I feel silly having defended you to so many folks who warned me you not only don't have a sense of humor, but that you like to take everything so personally that its like the universe itself has offended you, and the Drama is so fucking CRUCIAL that life and liner corporeal existance is about to end.

In any case.. go fuck yourself Bitch.. I wont be posting here any more.. so if thats what you wanted.. then at least somone is happy.

I STILL think you would look lovely if you just gave one honest smile without doing the whole 'woe is me' face behind it... but thats obviously never going to happen.


Originally posted by Maimara

Originally posted by HappyGuyJr
I wish you wouldn't post things like that.. it makes me sad :(.. and I don't mean about how you feel about me, but that you would even talk about killing yourself :(


Originally posted by Maimara
I don't fucking love you, pretend I don't exist or I'll kill myself.

THEN FUCKING KNOCK IT OFF

I don't know you, I don't care about you, now please, shut the fuck up where me, anything about me, or anything said by me, is concerned.

[Edited on 12-6-2003 by HappyGuyJr]

[Xcalibur]

Drugs are for losers. Or so it was written on some good game at the arcade back then...

p.s. the whole i'd do that person should really stop

[Edited on 6-12-03 by Xcalibur]

[Betheny]

Fuck you.

And I'm t he psycho? Whatever. I believe I"ll let it slide because everyone here knows the truth. I asked you to stop, you wouldn't, and I'm the bitch. Mmhmm.

[CrystalTears]

Well then I suggest everyone write to the government so that they can abolish everything that is not good for you, which includes cocaine, marijuana, alcohol, cigarettes, fast food restaurants, soda drinks, candy, chocolate and sex other than for pure procreation. Because none of those things are GOOD for you other than to make you happy in one way or another.

If they are used with moderation and people are aware of the side effects and knowing their responsibility to using them, then it's their choice to do it. Yes their choice! Once it becomes an addiction, ANYTHING as an addiction, then it's a problem and hazardous to their health.

[Myshel]

Tsa' wrote:

Umm.... We really need to work on basic comprehension.

I never said it does not affect anyone but themselves.

Drug use is not a bad, terrible thing. Addiction is.

Distinguish between the two.

The casual "user" is not to be confused with an addict.

A casual user who removes themselves from potentially harming anyone else should not be confused with a casual user who does not show consideration for anyone but themselves.

Crystaltears wrote:
If they are used with moderation and people are aware of the side effects and knowing their responsibility to using them, then it's their choice to do it. Yes their choice! Once it becomes an addiction, ANYTHING as an addiction, then it's a problem and hazardous to their health.

Myshel says: My point in this conversation was no one plans to become an addict when they try anything new.
As my casual alcohol consumption proves, I'm not an alcoholic even though alcoholics abound in my family. But the potenial is there and I'm aware of it. Thats the point, be aware of when you cross that line between casual and addiction. Know if addictions run in your family.

[CrystalTears]

I didn't realize that additions run in the family. :?:

[Tsa`ah]

Oh boy. Let's take this slowly.


Drugs are bad.... MMMMmkay?

Drugs are inanimate objects incapable of being "bad".


consuming easily adds to addiction
when things such as coke and crack are cheap and easy to obtain... and lawfull they will be consumed to the point of a phycial addiction... think about it how many friends do you have that do crack just on occasion or shoot up just for fun? and are not addicted... I can point to quite a few of my highschool friends that I will not Associate with anymore because of thier addiction to coke and the lifestyle they now lead so they can get thier hands on a 8ball and have a "fun" weekend.

I'm sorry, consumption does not easily lead to addiction. Highly addictive drugs such as crack, heroin, and ecstasy will lead to addiction with routine usage. Say, every time you party on the weekend. That, coupled with a genetic or environmental predisposition, will lead to addiction. Sporadic use, I'm talking a month or greater span between uses, gives a limited chance of addiction with a predisposition for it (addiction).

I beg to differ that legalizing drugs will have a profound impact upon addiction statistics to the detriment of society. In fact, I believe the opposite. Looks at the number of fatalities contributed to drunken driving in countries that do not have drinking laws. Take a nation such as Amsterdam and find out exactly how bad the drug addiction problem is within their borders. Now compare these numbers to ours. It's staggering.

Also in your post you assume the drugs and delivery methods of choice amongst addicts. A casual user is not likely to shoot up anything and probably is only willing to smoke only pot.

Again, you are using an active addict as a model for all drug users. It's flawed and uneducated.


What GOOD comes from doing illegal drugs? and I don't mean the chemical temp high / or low or whatever.

Tell me that, what GOOD do they do? Hmm?

I do think marijuana should be legal for medicenal purposes. So we don't have to debate that one.

I am talking about the average, healthy user. (healthy meaning no drug caused problems) What GOOD does drug use do for them. ?

What good exactly comes from playing Gemstone or any other online game?

What good exactly comes from watching television?

What good exactly comes from drinking just one beer with friends?

Exactly what good comes from eating at McDonald's when you know you have better, healthier food at home, or down the street at Subway?

What good do any of these do? All of them have inherent negative detractors, so why do any of them?

Again you bring up the legality of usage. A person addicted to and abusing prescription drugs isn't doing anything illegal provided they used a Dr Rx to obtain them. I'm guessing this is ok then? We've discussed legality and, I'm sorry, legality is meaningless in this argument. If the law means so much to you, I suggest you never speed and obey every law put to paper. People go through life daily not realizing they are violating one law or another.

As for the benefits of "illegal" drugs.

Opiates (such as heroin) have medicinal uses and are prescribed or administered regularly.

Marijuana is too easy.

Cocaine is a powerful topical anesthetic. Small doses (such as those delivered from chewing coca leaves) will relieve symptoms of gastritis, peptic ulcers, constipation, colitis, and a myriad of other gastral intestinal ailments.

Currently there are many studies that show uses for LSD in the world of psychology. Look them up.

You posed the question of what good do drugs do. Read above. Read again and read my questions to you again as well.

Television has no obvious benefit outside of the news and educational programming.

Playing a guitar, unless you are paid to do so, has no benefit.

Planting flowers doesn't seem to me as having any benefit, outside of the exercise.

Sitting on a park bench does absolutely nothing for you.

We can go on like this all day.

[Tsa`ah]

Originally posted by The Edine
do not believe what some pot head puts on a website saying are the good things about its medical use.... they often are telling little white lies to make it sound better than it is

This has been proven fact since the early 80's

There are proven medicinal uses abound for cannabis.

[Tsa`ah]

Originally posted by CrystalTears
I didn't realize that additions run in the family. :?:

Even though I explained in IM, yes.

Addiction can be a genetic predisposition. Genetics however require a nurturing environment for an addict to be born.

I was going to reply to Myshel's initial post and mention as much, but I guessed (and correctly) that she was probably painfully aware of it.

That she is not an addict herself shows tremendous will and discipline coming from such an upbringing.

[Caiylania]

I am sorry to bump a thread, but I was gone a few days and want to respond.


Originally posted by Tsa`ah


Originally posted by CaiylaniaWhat GOOD comes from doing illegal drugs? and I don't mean the chemical temp high / or low or whatever.

Tell me that, what GOOD do they do? Hmm?

I do think marijuana should be legal for medicenal purposes. So we don't have to debate that one.

I am talking about the average, healthy user. (healthy meaning no drug caused problems) What GOOD does drug use do for them. ?

What good exactly comes from playing Gemstone or any other online game?



Making friends, using your imagination, improving typing skills.




What good exactly comes from watching television?



Entertainment, invalid point anyways. What harm does TV do to your body? TV does not chemically cause you to do things you otherwise wouldn't do, or kill brain cells.



What good exactly comes from drinking just one beer with friends?



Personally I never drink, so I can't give you input here. But when my husband drinks even ONE beer I don't let him drive.




Exactly what good comes from eating at McDonald's when you know you have better, healthier food at home, or down the street at Subway?



Valid point, which is why I don't eat there anymore :D




What good do any of these do? All of them have inherent negative detractors, so why do any of them?



NONE of the above can chemically hurt your body or are illegal. My main point, that matters is.... they can not chemically hurt you.

Drugs hurt you by them selves, no other factors. Mickey D's hurts you if your a lazy bum who doesn't excercise or ever eat healthy.




Again you bring up the legality of usage. A person addicted to and abusing prescription drugs isn't doing anything illegal provided they used a Dr Rx to obtain them. I'm guessing this is ok then? We've discussed legality and, I'm sorry, legality is meaningless in this argument. If the law means so much to you, I suggest you never speed and obey every law put to paper. People go through life daily not realizing they are violating one law or another.



Knowingly breaking a law is WRONG. If you disagree with a law, protest it, but until it is repealed, abide by it.

I do think abusing RX drugs is wrong, and it IS illegal to abuse RX drugs. Thx.




As for the benefits of "illegal" drugs.

Opiates (such as heroin) have medicinal uses and are prescribed or administered regularly.

Marijuana is too easy.

Cocaine is a powerful topical anesthetic. Small doses (such as those delivered from chewing coca leaves) will relieve symptoms of gastritis, peptic ulcers, constipation, colitis, and a myriad of other gastral intestinal ailments.

Currently there are many studies that show uses for LSD in the world of psychology. Look them up.

You posed the question of what good do drugs do. Read above. Read again and read my questions to you again as well.



I never said they do not have medicenal value. I said for the AVERAGE HEALTHY PERSON, what use do they have? They HURT your body.




Television has no obvious benefit outside of the news and educational programming.



Once again, a TV can not give you a heart attack , by itself, or cause you to OD, or become a stupid ass or get into car wrecks. Ivalid point for you to bring up.



Playing a guitar, unless you are paid to do so, has no benefit.


It takes skill to learn, is beautiful to listen to, provides music for singers, and is something to be proud of. It also, DOES NOT CHEMICALLY affect your body and is NOT illegal. So what is your point?



Planting flowers doesn't seem to me as having any benefit, outside of the exercise.

Sitting on a park bench does absolutely nothing for you.

We can go on like this all day.


None of these are illegal or chemically hurt your body, so while I COULD list their benefits, its a useless point.

Drugs= illegal. Chemically affect your body. For a person NOT NEEDING THEM in a MEDICINAL manner what do they do for them?

Give them a FAKE sense of happiness or depression? Guitars and music are TRUE producers of emotion. As is Art, sports, and playing games.

Ciao.

[Tsa`ah]

What good exactly comes from playing Gemstone or any other online game?

Making friends, using your imagination, improving typing skills.

So, someone at a party doesn't make friends or use their imagination?

Again I think you are confusing addiction with consumption. An addict is likely to consume alone. The casual user is going to consume in group settings while socializing.

I don't buy the an on-line game improves your typing skills. Take a look around the boards, here or the official boards. That pretty much disproves the assumption.

You neglected the potential hazards. CTS, decubitus ulcers, practiced avoidance. How exactly is smoking a joint with a group of friends more hazardous than sitting in front of a monitor for hours while interacting with on-line personas, not people?




What good exactly comes from watching television?

Entertainment, invalid point anyways. What harm does TV do to your body? TV does not chemically cause you to do things you otherwise wouldn't do, or kill brain cells.

Casual drug use is done for entertainment as well. It's just entertainment that you can't comprehend or accept. It doesn't mean there isn't anything wrong with it until it evolves into abuse via addiction.

I can also tell you haven't looked around at people you see on the streets. TV does in fact harm people. How many people do you know personally that should really just turn the set off and go outside and be active?

While I don't agree with the arguments, there are those that would submit that TV does in fact cause people to do things they normally wouldn't do. To me it is social engineering.




What good do any of these do? All of them have inherent negative detractors, so why do any of them?

NONE of the above can chemically hurt your body or are illegal. My main point, that matters is.... they can not chemically hurt you.

Drugs hurt you by them selves, no other factors. Mickey D's hurts you if your a lazy bum who doesn't excercise or ever eat healthy.

You assume the worst-case scenario when it comes to chemical interaction. There are drugs out there that are very damaging with minimal usage. With the exception of ecstasy, these are often harder drugs used by hardened addicts.

Cannabis, coca, opiates, LSD and so forth are not damaging with minor controlled usage. Prolonged habitual usage is what becomes damaging. Again I have to say you need to distinguish between the addict and the casual user.


Knowingly breaking a law is WRONG. If you disagree with a law, protest it, but until it is repealed, abide by it.

In the eyes of the law, ignorance is no excuse. There are plenty of laws I refuse to abide by and protest by not abiding by them.


I do think abusing RX drugs is wrong, and it IS illegal to abuse RX drugs. Thx.

It is illegal for a medical professional to facilitate abuse. The abuser, in this state, is doing nothing illegal by filling an Rx.

Why do you think Rush isn't in prison yet? Why exactly do you think they are examining the doctors that prescribed the drugs that fed his addiction?



I never said they do not have medicenal value. I said for the AVERAGE HEALTHY PERSON, what use do they have? They HURT your body.

Abusive consumption via addiction is damaging to the body. Casual responsible consumption is less damaging than spending hours in front of the PC interacting with imaginary personas.



Television has no obvious benefit outside of the news and educational programming.

Once again, a TV can not give you a heart attack , by itself, or cause you to OD, or become a stupid ass or get into car wrecks. Ivalid point for you to bring up.

I beg to differ, it is an extremely valid point. Specific projected patterns have been known to trigger seizures. Older sets have been linked to poor eye sight. A person spending hours a day in front of a TV is more likely to have a stroke due to inactivity. Inactive people are more susceptible to forming blood clots and decubitus ulcers.




Playing a guitar, unless you are paid to do so, has no benefit.


It takes skill to learn, is beautiful to listen to, provides music for singers, and is something to be proud of. It also, DOES NOT CHEMICALLY affect your body and is NOT illegal. So what is your point?

Emotions are chemical stimulation. Thus said music does affect your body. This example, like casual consumption, is a matter of personal choice and taste. That you accept playing the guitar as a skill, a source of pride and beauty is a matter of personal taste and choice. Other people would disagree. This is a point I have been making all along.


Drugs= illegal. Chemically affect your body. For a person NOT NEEDING THEM in a MEDICINAL manner what do they do for them?

Give them a FAKE sense of happiness or depression? Guitars and music are TRUE producers of emotion. As is Art, sports, and playing games.

Ciao.

You make assertions without experience. Drugs are augmenters of emotion. If you're angry when drink, you'll be pissed and miserable when you stop. Drugs do not evoke emotions of any sort.

Legality aside, since you seem to be hung up on this, anything in life can be harmful when used without responsibility. Drugs just happen to be something the government and conservatives (excluding Rush) choose to repress due to puritan values. Addiction is indeed harmful, but so is the lack of restraint when playing on-line games, watching TV, eating food, so on and so forth.

In a few hours I am going to get on the interstate and drive 70-75mph to work, clearly breaking the law. Please do act responsibly and phone the IL State Troopers. Tell them I will be north bound on I-57 between the Tolono and I-74 exits. From there I will be west bound on I-74 for 40 miles.

I may even attempt an adrenaline rush depending on road conditions. In my chemically altered state I will be unable to think rationally. Hand cuff me and haul me in.

Geez some people need to keep their personal abhorrence’s to themselves.

[Caiylania]

I am done with this debate, we are not ever going to agree on this matter.

I do NOT care about party going, recreational vs addict, gemstone vs drugs.

As for you speeding, I am so glad to hear how much you respect laws. I am sure they are made JUST to annoy the shit out of you. I will call up the parents of a kid I know who was killed by a speeding car and tell them the law is useless and we should throw it out.

If a crime is ever committed against you, don't press charges, because damn, laws are for losers so they aren't wrong whatever they do.

ciao.

[Tsa`ah]

Kids playing on the interstate, people playing on the interstate, deserve one title.

Road Pizza.

Consider it natural selection.

This is what I refer to when I state someone is reading selectively.

Keep grasping for straws. One day one may magically appear in your hand.

[Drew2]

I find out today my 16 year old sister is a pothead. This should make for a great holiday season... my mom bought an at-home drug test a couple hours ago.

I can only hope I never meet the person/people providing/selling the drugs to my sister. I don't want to make Santa think I'm not nice. :(

I just thought I'd share, and also blame Neff, because I can.

[SpunGirl]

Good for your parents for taking action and recognizing what was going on, Tayre. I hope your sister manages to get her shit together.

On the other hand, this can only make YOU look better.

-K, trying to look on the bright side.

[Drew2]

YES. That, and it means I don't have to share the car with her while I'm here because she will probably get chained to a wall and beaten with leather straps for the whole visit.

Ok, maybe not, but she'll get everything taken away.