Teacher charged with raping 2nd boy

[Gan]

TACOMA, Wash. -- A former Tacoma teacher accused of raping a 10-year-old boy is now facing additional charges after investigators said there is at least one more victim.

Jennifer Rice, 31, was charged on Wednesday with raping and molesting a second boy in his mid-teens.KIRO 7 Eyewitness News reporter Kevin McCarty said sources told him the second victim is the brother of the 10-year-old boy who Rice allegedly molested.

Rice was first arrested and charged on Aug. 14 with kidnapping a former student while having a sexual relationship with him.

Police said that since the former teacher had contact with students at several schools, they have not ruled out the possibility that there could be more victims in Pierce County.Investigators said the discovery of a second victim led to 12 new counts in the case against Rice.

Prosecutors charged Rice with six counts of rape of a child in the first degree, two counts of rape of a child in the third degree and four counts of child molestation in the first degree.

Investigators said they were unaware of the alleged teenage victim until after Rice was arrested. “During the course of the original investigation, in talking with the second victim and talking with witnesses, whether directly or indirectly, the second victim came up,” said Officer Mark Fulghum of Tacoma police.

Rice remains in jail. Her bail has been set at $500,000.

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Some folks are just sick.

[Parkbandit]

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Some folks are just sick.


I agree.

I also agree that some folks aren't:

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e6/belike53/0_21_082306_Lafave.jpg

[Gan]

LOL, yea she was hot.

And at least her 'victim' was of highschool age, where you expect sex to occurr or at least start occurring amongst the participants.

[Nieninque]

Retarded.

[RichardCranium]

I had a couple of teachers in middle school that I would've liked some 'sessions' with.

[Nieninque]

It's amazing how quickly this thread reached stupid levels.

Grats

[RichardCranium]

Thanks for contributing.

[TheEschaton]

I had hot teachers in high school who, if they gave me permission, I would have done extremely naughty things with.

However, the point is, they should know better.

BTW, that second teacher.....mmmmm, tasty.

[Nieninque]

LOL, yea she was hot.

And at least her 'victim' was of highschool age, where you expect sex to occurr or at least start occurring amongst the participants.


Jennifer Rice, 31, was charged on Wednesday with raping and molesting a second boy in his mid-teens.KIRO 7 Eyewitness News reporter Kevin McCarty said sources told him the second victim is the brother of the 10-year-old boy who Rice allegedly molested.

I assume the second one was too old to have been molested, given the fact that he was at an age where he would have been "gagging for it"?

[RichardCranium]

No one is saying it wasn't molestation because we had some teachers we'd have hit like a caveman when we were in school.

Take your fucking crusade somewhere else please it's not that serious a thread.

[Parkbandit]

It's amazing how quickly this thread reached stupid levels.

Grats


Yea.. it went downhill quick after the forth post.

[Nieninque]

No one is saying it wasn't molestation because we had some teachers we'd have hit like a caveman when we were in school.

Take your fucking crusade somewhere else please it's not that serious a thread.

Sorry that rape doesnt constitute a serious thread for you.

[Nieninque]

Yea.. it went downhill quick after the forth post.

two =/= "for"

[RichardCranium]

I got my first blow job from the babysitter when I was 9. Big fucking deal.

[Stanley Burrell]

I got my first blow job from the babysitter when I was 9. Big fucking deal.

For real?

[Nieninque]

I got my first blow job from the babysitter when I was 9. Big fucking deal.

"I was abused and it didnt do me any harm."

[RichardCranium]

For real?

Yeah.

[RichardCranium]

"I was abused and it didnt do me any harm."

Point taken.

[Sean of the Thread]

BTW, that second teacher.....mmmmm, tasty.

That's our Tampa Florida girl Debra Lafave. That kid needs a high five.

http://images.google.com/images?q=debra+lafave&ndsp=21&svnum=10&um=1&hl=en&safe=off&start=0&sa=N

[Clove]

"I was abused and it didnt do me any harm."

Maybe we all need to be abused a little more.

[Stanley Burrell]

Yeah.

Shit yo, that's awesome.

My babysitter was this imported Ruskie named Natalya. Total Goliath though, 6'14 and like 300. Kilograms. With more of a mustache than I spout today.

She'd crush it if she sat up on it. I mean, I don't have anything against pudgy chicks, but she was Mother Russia. It was messed up. I'm traumatized from not having a hot babysitter that raped me.

[Stanley Burrell]

Maybe we all need to be abused a little more.

To Quote The Offspring's "Self Esteem":

"That's okay, man, 'cause I like the abuse."

I'd also quote Kurt Cobain's "Rape Me" except that I never really listened to any Nirvana (fronted like I did though.)

[Stanley Burrell]

That second teacher PB posted is really doing it for me for some reason.

I apologize. All :sorry:

[Alfster]

I got my first blow job from the babysitter when I was 9. Big fucking deal.

What was his name?

[Stanley Burrell]

What was his name?

Godamn buzzkill :mad:

[RichardCranium]

What was his name?

Why are you so interested in a supposed gay pedophile?

[Stanley Burrell]

Why are you so interested in a supposed gay pedophile?

Ugh, if it was a dude I retract all my e-^5s. And bleed my sincere, worthless apologies.

Still though, ^5 until clarified.

[Gan]

I assume the second one was too old to have been molested, given the fact that he was at an age where he would have been "gagging for it"?

Firstly, the second teacher in PB's post 'molested' high school boys, who were not forced.

Secondly the concept of forcing a male person to engage in coitis (non-anally) is laughable since the male libido is pretty much uncooperative if the 'victim' is anything but into it.

You seriously need to remove the stick.

[Alfster]

Why are you so interested in a supposed gay pedophile?



Because it's funny

[Sean of the Thread]

Haha.

[RichardCranium]

Ugh, if it was a dude I retract all my e-^5s. And bleed my sincere, worthless apologies.

Still though, ^5 until clarified.

It was a chick and she was about 15 years old. Only a 7 though.

[Stanley Burrell]

It was a chick and she was about 15 years old. Only a 7 though.

Okay, I go with a chill e-pound.

What is this thread about, btw?

[Clove]

Go Tampa! Our felons are hot!

[Nieninque]

Firstly, the second teacher in PB's post 'molested' high school boys, who were not forced.

It was still abusive. She was their teacher. They were under age. She was in a position of power. She had a duty of care to them. It was abuse. They were not able to give informed consent.


Secondly the concept of forcing a male person to engage in coitis (non-anally) is laughable since the male libido is pretty much uncooperative if the 'victim' is anything but into it.

You're an idiot.
I remember when my little brother was born, he must have been a couple of weeks old and got an erection. we all thought it was hilarious, being teenagers, but if someone had started abusing him because he had an erection, would that have meant he was "into it"?


Myth: Getting an erection or ejaculation during sexual assault means you "really wanted it" or consented to it.

Reality: This is one of the things that can cause male rape survivors a lot of confusion and guilt when they do not know how things work. For a start I can honestly say that getting an erection shows nothing other than your body responds how it is suppose to do. It is a totally normal thing to happen and has nothing to do with desire. Have you never been on a bus, or sat in an office meeting, and it has gone hard all by it's self for no reason ?

Basically, unless you have some medical condition that stops you then you will get an erection when it is manipulated. It is a result of stimulation, and it does not matter if you do not want it to happen or not. There is little you can do to stop it most of the time.

Sadly, some males become confused and think an erection equals arousal equals them wanting it. In reality all it means is that part of the body has nerve endings that respond to touch and that touch can be wanted or not wanted, pleasant or non pleasant. With lubricant you will have even less choice as to how it responds to touch. It is the same as the body will respond to someone tickling you and you will probably laugh, but if it is done at a time or by a person you do not want to tickle you it will still respond.

If you were penetrated, the pressure in the prostate gland (see diagram below) also will cause an erection. Anyone who has ever had a DRE (short for Digital Rectal Exam) of the prostate at their doctors will know that getting an erection often happens during the examination.

From: http://www.aest.org.uk/survivors/male/myths_about_male_rape.htm


You seriously need to remove the stick.

And you need to show a little consistency. It was sick in the first post, now they are gagging for it.

God forbid your son ever encounters a sexual predator, because he sure as hell wont be getting any support worth a shit from his dad.

[Sean of the Thread]

FOR FUCKS SAKE The last thing that was ever going to happen during the two prostate exams would be an erection. And one of the doctors was a hot ass woman.

[Clove]

God forbid your son ever encounters a sexual predator, because he sure as hell wont be getting any support worth a shit from his dad.

You're out of line. I disagree with Gan that it is impossible to force coitus on a male. It is possible for a person to be in a condition of ambivalence. However, it is equally ridiculous Asshat, to equate inappropriate sex to rape or sexual abuse. It's also unfair to attack Gan's parenting based on his opinion on the subject.

I have a problem with these laws not being specific enough. Rape or assualt, in my opinion should be for any situation that involves forced sex. Period. Obviously considerations like the youth of a victim, informed consent (which covers more than just children), and undue influence (which covers more than just teachers) need to be included. But in cases of teachers having consensual sex with teenaged students- felony risk of harm to a minor would make me more comfortable than "statuatory rape".

[Gan]

It was still abusive. She was their teacher. They were under age. She was in a position of power. She had a duty of care to them. It was abuse. They were not able to give informed consent.
While I agree that it was wrong, I don't consider it as bad as trying to have sex with a 10 year old. Nice try looking at absolutes though.




You're an idiot.
I remember when my little brother was born, he must have been a couple of weeks old and got an erection. we all thought it was hilarious, being teenagers, but if someone had started abusing him because he had an erection, would that have meant he was "into it"? Wow, you're really spanning the age range here numb nuts. Keep it in scope of the story we're discussing, or I'll throw out the nursing home Viagra examples and up the ante.

Since you don't have a penis, regardless of your envy for one. I'll explain something about the male genitalia to you, based on personal experience. It is impossible for a male beyond the age of toddler to get an erection or maintain one if he is feeling fear, being hurt or traumatized, or anything else that causes immediate physical or mental harm; UNLESS that is a sexual stimulant for him (which would be a learned behavior). Hence the stanceforced sex and forced rape involving anything to do sexual intercourse (non anally) is laughable.

Now anally, I've seen many an inmate as the victim of forced anal rape. And yes, they are traumatized both physically and mentally. Huge difference.



And you need to show a little consistency. It was sick in the first post, now they are gagging for it. Perhaps you need to show the same consistency you're preaching at others from your pedestal. We are talking about a 10 year old boy being sexually abused by a teacher. Which I agreed was sick. You decided to hop on the high horse when the comment was made about a high school boy being sexually abused by the second teacher posted. Which the boy later testified in court as not only consensual but that he wanted to continue the relationship with her even after being exposed.



God forbid your son ever encounters a sexual predator, because he sure as hell wont be getting any support worth a shit from his dad. God forbid you ever have children and spew your self righteous bullshit on them during their formative years. It will take decades of therapy to get them deprogrammed.

[Nieninque]

You're out of line. I disagree with Gan that it is impossible to force coitus on a male. It is possible for a person to be in a condition of ambivalence. However, it is equally ridiculous Asshat, to equate inappropriate sex to rape or sexual abuse. It's also unfair to attack Gan's parenting based on his opinion on the subject.

My opinion was of his opinion of abuse, not his parenting. I stand by that comment.


I have a problem with these laws not being specific enough. Rape or assualt, in my opinion should be for any situation that involves forced sex. Period. Obviously considerations like the youth of a victim, informed consent (which covers more than just children), and undue influence (which covers more than just teachers) need to be included. But in cases of teachers having consensual sex with teenaged students- felony risk of harm to a minor would make me more comfortable than "statuatory rape".

The problem is that you cant make statue that specific, so the specifics are worked out int he Courts...via case law.

The laws regarding sexual assault were recently wiped out and redone in the UK. We now have a law which covers abuse of a position of power, Regardless, children are not able to consent to sex with adults. Regardless of whether or not they bragged about it wth their mates, she was out of order.

Were the sexes reversed, or were it a man that was the teacher molesting these boys, would your arguments still be the same?

[Clove]

Were the sexes reversed, or were it a man that was the teacher molesting these boys, would your arguments still be the same?

I'm not a homophobe, so yes. Consensual sex, however inappropriate is not tantamount to rape or abuse.

Of course it is possible to be more specific. I know of one state in the US that uses an age differential before applying a statuatory rape charge. i.e. 19 y/o sleeping with 16 y/o lover<>felony. 26 y/o sleeping with 16 y/o=felony.

You are hysterical and need to drink a pint or take a pill or do something to restore yourself to reason.

[Gan]

You are hysterical and need to drink a pint or take a pill or do something to restore yourself to reason.

Welcome to the posting style of Nieninque.

[Nieninque]

I'm not a homophobe, so yes. Consensual sex, however inappropriate is not tantamount to rape or abuse.

And therein lies the issue. Children do not have the resources to be able to make informed consent.


Of course it is possible to be more specific. I know of one state in the US that uses an age differential before applying a statuatory rape charge. i.e. 19 y/o sleeping with 16 y/o lover<>felony. 26 y/o sleeping with 16 y/o=felony.

Agree.


You are hysterical and need to drink a pint or take a pill or do something to restore yourself to reason.

You are retarded. Not much you can do about that.

[Nieninque]

Welcome to the posting style of Nieninque.

Forgive my unreasonable objection to adults having sex with children.

[Clove]

And therein lies the issue. Children do not have the resources to be able to make informed consent.

No shit Sherlock read my original post. I disagree with your hysterical absolute value system.




Agree.


Then in your hysterical condition, you're agreeing with a retard. Do everyone a favor, do some yoga and STFU.

[Nieninque]

Then in your hysterical condition, you're agreeing with a retard. Do everyone a favor, do some yoga and STFU.

Hey, even retards get some things right sometimes. Dont be so down on yourself.

[DeV]

I have a huge problem with the fact that these sexually deprived, no self-esteem having hoes are teachers. I mean, it totally gives new meaning to the phrase "the world is my playground". It's fucking sick no matter how you cut it.

[CrystalTears]

I don't think it's something they'll suspect upon hiring anyway though. I found out years later after graduation that my chorus teacher was molesting girls. It kinda creeped me out because he was so not a looker. You just never know who is going to be a creepazoid these days, unfortunately.

I just personally don't think that parents emphasize that much to their kids about which parts of their body is not to be touched, or saying something when you don't feel comfortable, or to say something to someone... anyone.

[Nieninque]

While I agree that it was wrong, I don't consider it as bad as trying to have sex with a 10 year old. Nice try looking at absolutes though.

You called the kid involved with the "hot" one a 'victim' (inverted commas yours), as though he was a fake victim. His teacher took advantage of him. End of. Forgive me if that was a mistake on your part, and that your beavis and butthead impression with PB was not intended, but that's how you came across to me.


Wow, you're really spanning the age range here numb nuts. Keep it in scope of the story we're discussing, or I'll throw out the nursing home Viagra examples and up the ante.

Since you don't have a penis, regardless of your envy for one. I'll explain something about the male genitalia to you, based on personal experience. It is impossible for a male beyond the age of toddler to get an erection or maintain one if he is feeling fear, being hurt or traumatized, or anything else that causes immediate physical or mental harm; UNLESS that is a sexual stimulant for him (which would be a learned behavior). Hence the stanceforced sex and forced rape involving anything to do sexual intercourse (non anally) is laughable.

Male survivors of sexual abuse say otherwise. I know where I will take my information on the matter.


Now anally, I've seen many an inmate as the victim of forced anal rape. And yes, they are traumatized both physically and mentally. Huge difference.

The victims of many kinds of sexual assaults share those trauma. Your heirarchy has no bearing on the way they feel after having been abused. Nice try.


Perhaps you need to show the same consistency you're preaching at others from your pedestal. We are talking about a 10 year old boy being sexually abused by a teacher. Which I agreed was sick. You decided to hop on the high horse when the comment was made about a high school boy being sexually abused by the second teacher posted. Which the boy later testified in court as not only consensual but that he wanted to continue the relationship with her even after being exposed.

So the fact that he said he wanted to continue the relationship means it wasnt abusive, right?
Wrong. It's called grooming. I have worked with kids who have wanted to continue horrendously abusive relationships with their abusers after it has all come to light, because despite the abuse, they get something from the relationship (most abuse starts off as a positive relationship).

I know a paedophile who fucked his daughter for years until it was found out, and he had groomed her so well that she begged him to screw her, and when he was arrested he was all "Well, I didnt want to let her down, so I gave in."

It was no less abusive because she said she liked or wanted it.


God forbid you ever have children and spew your self righteous bullshit on them during their formative years. It will take decades of therapy to get them deprogrammed.

Yeah, heaven forbid that I could ever give a child an idea that sex should be a healthy and positive experience.

[Gan]

My comp/sci teacher in HS stalked a girl in my class. He even bought her expensive perfume as a 'gift'. Too bad for him the girl's dad was our HS head football coach/athletic director.

The comp/sci teacher was not with the HS the next year. Which was cool by me because he was an ass, even if he did get lots of the computer nerds in the class hooked on Wizardry.

[RichardCranium]

Male survivors of sexual abuse say otherwise. I know where I will take my information on the matter.

She's right. I can tell you from experience that no amount of discomfort or fear will stop it from happening.

[Anebriated]

Hey gan, if your kid ever gets to nail a teacher while in grade school let me know. Ill drive down there and give the kid a high five.

[DeV]

I don't think it's something they'll suspect upon hiring anyway though. I found out years later after graduation that my chorus teacher was molesting girls. It kinda creeped me out because he was so not a looker. You just never know who is going to be a creepazoid these days, unfortunately.

I just personally don't think that parents emphasize that much to their kids about which parts of their body is not to be touched, or saying something when you don't feel comfortable, or to say something to someone... anyone.
Of course they won't suspect it upon hiring them. They are seemingly normal looking women who are obviously educated as teachers. They also don't give pyschological examinations for prospective teachers like they do for some other professions. I'm sure I'd feel the same even if they weren't teachers, but for that simple fact alone the behavior can be deemed as predatory.

[CrystalTears]

It's interesting that they don't give psych exams to teachers. They should. Although I hate them just because of the "have you stopped beating your wife" type of questions.

[Clove]

Yeah, heaven forbid that I could ever give a child an idea that sex should be a healthy and positive experience.

I can't imagine heaven forbidding it. It will be your own inability to have a healthy understanding of sex that will prevent you from conveying the same to a child.

[Clove]

Of course they won't suspect it upon hiring them. They are seemingly normal looking women who are obviously educated as teachers. They also don't give pyschological examinations for prospective teachers like they do for some other professions. I'm sure I'd feel the same even if they weren't teachers, but for that simple fact alone the behavior can be deemed as predatory.

Excellent point and also why it would be considered "undue influence" whether consensual or not, even if the student were 17 and 10 months. But I stand by the position that the degree of harm varies and the laws intended to protect us are not specific enough in this area.

[Nieninque]

I can't imagine heaven forbidding it. It will be your own inability to have a healthy understanding of sex that will prevent you from conveying the same to a child.

I think my idea of what constitutes healthy sex is pretty sound, unlike the people who have been "Yeah, high five that 14 year old who was abused by his 40 year old teacher!"

There is a huge difference between a 15 year old having sex with another 15 year and a 15 year old having sex with an adult who is in a position of trust over them.

If you cant see that, then I pity you.

[Gan]

The teacher you're having a huge issue over was 23, the child was 14.

[Nieninque]

Which is abusive.

[Gan]

Poor kid.

[Nieninque]

I repeat my previous comment, that I hope that your child doesnt ever find himself in a situation where he needs support from you regarding being abused.

[CrystalTears]

There is a huge difference between a 15 year old having sex with another 15 year and a 15 year old having sex with an adult who is in a position of trust over them.

If you cant see that, then I pity you.
Yes there is a huge difference. However they are all tagged automatically as rape and that's what needs to be changed, to conform to the crime and situation and not encompass it under one umbrella just because it's sex related.

[Gan]

I repeat my previous comment, that I hope that your child doesnt ever find himself in a situation where he needs support from you regarding being abused.

:yawn:

When you have kids, then you can tell me how to raise my own... Oh way, no you cant. I just hope you never have kids, period.

[Stanley Burrell]

I'd make babies with Nieninque just to piss you off.

[Nieninque]

:yawn:

When you have kids, then you can tell me how to raise my own... Oh way, no you cant. I just hope you never have kids, period.

I shall bear your wishes in mind...oh wait. No I won't.

I'm not telling you how to raise your kids, btw, I'm telling you that high-fiving abused children is sick in the head.

[Nieninque]

I'd make babies with Nieninque just to piss you off.

Just to say, that would piss me off too.

[Gan]

I shall bear your wishes in mind...oh wait. No I won't.

I'm not telling you how to raise your kids, btw, I'm telling you that high-fiving abused children is sick in the head.

With your definition of abuse perhaps. Where we differ is on what is abuse.

[Stanley Burrell]

Just to say, that would piss me off too.

Likewise.

:love: though. With h8.

[Gan]

I'd make babies with Nieninque just to piss you off.
Just to say, that would piss me off too.
LOL, someone call Ripleys.

[Nieninque]

With your definition of abuse perhaps. Where we differ is on what is abuse.

So clarify for me, the two kids in the first video were or were not abused?
If the perpetrator was the woman in PB's post, would that have changed it? If so, how?
The kid in the second post was abused or not? If not, how is it different from the second (older) kid in the OP?
If it were your kid that was involved, would you be cheering him on?

[Stanley Burrell]

LOL, someone call Ripleys.

Hell yee-uh. My kid's gonna be an octopi demon from all those hentai tentacle sex comics.

Score one for heterotrophic Humboldt Squid cephalopod reproduction and asexual sporing.

Fear my seed, biznitches.

[Clove]

Likewise.

:love: though. With h8.

Oh my God. Their children would have hooves

[Gan]

So clarify for me, the two kids in the first video were or were not abused?
10 year old was abused.
Need age clarification on the teenager, if he was 14 or older then I wouldnt call that abuse, I'd call it an inappropriate piece of ass.


If the perpetrator was the woman in PB's post, would that have changed it? If so, how? No, dont be stupid. Molesting a 10 year old is molestation regardless of the difference or simliarity in gender.


The kid in the second post was abused or not? If not, how is it different from the second (older) kid in the OP? The case PB was referring to I dont call abuse because of the ages involved (14/23), I call it an inappropriate piece of ass.


If it were your kid that was involved, would you be cheering him on? No, I wouldnt cheer him on, I'm his parent, not his 'friend'. However, I would not seek charges against the teacher because of: a) age difference, b)because (non-emo) boys view sex differently than girls. The only thing I would do is get the woman to cease being a teacher because I dont think teachers getting into sexual relationships with students who attend their school/class is appropriate.

What I would do is have a very long talk(talks) with my son about what is going on, where this will go, what his intentions are, what his feelings are, and what could happen. This combined with all that I've taught him through his more formative years should/would make a difference in how he would view whats best for him (as much as a 14 year old would look at things like that). If you think that you'll only have one shot at the age of 14 to get through to your kid, then you're seriously deluded. If he cant understand possible consequences of actions around at least the next few corners then you've either failed or you're seriously behind the curve.

Foolish is you who think you can stop a 14/15/16/17 year old boy from going out and wantin to have or having sex, short of chaining him to his bed, which is another form of abuse alltogether (unless you're Latrin who afterall was a perfect child, look how he turned out).
:whistle:

[Gan]

Yeah, heaven forbid that I could ever give a child an idea that sex should be a healthy and positive experience.

Healthy and positive in what way?

[Clove]

Healthy and positive in what way?

In every way as long as the child isn't in need of perspective, or scale in their "healthy and positive" attitudes towards sex.

[Nieninque]

10 year old was abused.
Need age clarification on the teenager, if he was 14 or older then I wouldnt call that abuse, I'd call it an inappropriate piece of ass.

OK, that's clearer. I strongly disagree. I think that until children are old enough to make an informed decision, which the law arbitrarily sets at 16 (most places), then the clarifying age is that of the other party, not the child. A 14 and a 16/17 year old could be seen as a consenting relationship, older than that and the lines become blurred. Older than 21 is just wrong, imo. I also cant see what a healthy 21+ year old sees in a 14 year old anyway.


No, dont be stupid. Molesting a 10 year old is molestation regardless of the difference or simliarity in gender.
The case PB was referring to I dont call abuse because of the ages involved (14/23), I call it an inappropriate piece of ass.
No, I wouldnt cheer him on, I'm his parent, not his 'friend'. However, I would not seek charges against the teacher because of: a) age difference, b)because (non-emo) boys view sex differently than girls.

You don't think this is because people tell them to shut up and get on with it and subsequently boys/men who are abused by women end up having to suffer in silence rather than having the support to be able to say, "Hey, this happened to me and I didn't like it, please make it stop."?


The only thing I would do is get the woman to cease being a teacher because I dont think teachers getting into sexual relationships with students who attend their school/class is appropriate.

What I would do is have a very long talk(talks) with my son about what is going on, where this will go, what his intentions are, what his feelings are, and what could happen. This combined with all that I've taught him through his more formative years should/would make a difference in how he would view whats best for him (as much as a 14 year old would look at things like that). If you think that you'll only have one shot at the age of 14 to get through to your kid, then you're seriously deluded. If he cant understand possible consequences of actions around at least the next few corners then you've either failed or you're seriously behind the curve.

Foolish is you who think you can stop a 14/15/16/17 year old boy from going out and wantin to have or having sex, short of chaining him to his bed, which is another form of abuse alltogether (unless you're Latrin who afterall was a perfect child, look how he turned out).
:whistle:

But I don't expect 14 year olds to never want to have sex with their teachers. It is a given that kids have crushes on their teachers, especially teenagers. What should not ever occur is that the teachers should reciprocate those feelings and turn immature fantasies into realities. That's when it becomes abuse.

I think, with your comments about what you would do with your son, you are under the impression that I think the children/young people have done something wrong. I dont. The people who are in the wrong in these situations are the adults. Totally. Kids make mistakes. Adults (especially teachers and other adults ina position of trust) should not help them to do so.

[Sean of the Thread]

I can think of a few teachers I really wanted to get breast fed by.

That being said I feel age/sex does matter in these situations. I know it may be bullshit and certainly against the law but a 15 year male getting ass from a mid 20's teacher is almost socially acceptable whereas switch the sexes and it's a cry for the death sentence or castration.

Our society is fucking weird.

[Kainen]

I have a huge problem with the fact that these sexually deprived, no self-esteem having hoes are teachers. I mean, it totally gives new meaning to the phrase "the world is my playground". It's fucking sick no matter how you cut it.

This right here, should be the whole point of this thread.

[TheEschaton]

Abused? That 14 year old kid probably became the coolest kid in the school.

[Gan]

Yeah, heaven forbid that I could ever give a child an idea that sex should be a healthy and positive experience.
Healthy and positive in what way?

Still waiting.

[Nieninque]

Still waiting.

Consenting and appropriate sex between peers.

One more thing.
You put a thumbs down smilie on the OP. Was that because you think it bad that the woman has been charged with abusing a second child, or because it was bad that she abused the second child?

p.s. apologies for not answering straight away. I oeverlooked that post. If I had realised that you had asked me a question obviously I would have answered straight away and will in future sit there spamming refresh just in case you ask me anything.

[Gan]

Consenting and appropriate sex between peers.
Define peers.
Define appropriate.



One more thing.
You put a thumbs down smilie on the OP. Was that because you think it bad that the woman has been charged with abusing a second child, or because it was bad that she abused the second child? Based on what I've already said, which do you think it is?

[Celephais]

Consenting and appropriate sex between peers.
Wow... Nien you know that's not only blatantly avoiding the question, it's so broad as to be considered asinine to say. You sound like an athlete reading from the press packet, "We just gotta take it one game at a time".

[Nieninque]

Define peers.

People that could reasonably be seen to be on an equal footing, (for example two young people, two adults) where one of those people is not in a position of power/trust over the other. Where this power/trust disparity involves two adults, there is more scope for freedom of choice than with children.


Define appropriate.

A relationship that could not be deemed to be inappropriate. Such as "I dont think teachers getting into sexual relationships with students who attend their school/class is appropriate."



Based on what I've already said, which do you think it is?

I think that if the brother happens to be over the age of 13, you think she shouldnt have been charged for the alleged rape and sexual assault of him, because he was asking for it.

[Nieninque]

Wow... Nien you know that's not only blatantly avoiding the question, it's so broad as to be considered asinine to say. You sound like an athlete reading from the press packet, "We just gotta take it one game at a time".

If you are looking for a lesson on the birds and the bees, sweetheart, go buy a book.

[Clove]

People that could reasonably be seen to be on an equal footing, (for example two young people, two adults) where one of those people is not in a position of power/trust over the other. Where this power/trust disparity involves two adults, there is more scope for freedom of choice than with children.

So if the 24 y/o is basically an immature bum at a level of sophistication on par with a 14 y/o sleeping with the 14 y/o is fine.

The 17 y/o shift manager who sleeps with his 15 y/o fry cook is now molestering because they aren't "peers"?

You're tap dancing.

[Gan]

People that could reasonably be seen to be on an equal footing, (for example two young people, two adults) where one of those people is not in a position of power/trust over the other.
Where this power/trust disparity involves two adults, there is more scope for freedom of choice than with children.
The first part is vague, the second part I can almost agree with.


A relationship that could not be deemed to be inappropriate. Such as "I dont think teachers getting into sexual relationships with students who attend their school/class is appropriate." Give me your definition, not mine. Nice try to out though.


I think that if the brother happens to be over the age of 13, you think she shouldnt have been charged for the alleged rape and sexual assault of him, because he was asking for it. Then your reading comprehension skills suck. FTL

[Nieninque]

So if the 24 y/o is basically an immature bum at a level of sophistication on par with a 14 y/o sleeping with the 14 y/o is fine.

No.


The 17 y/o shift manager who sleeps with his 15 y/o fry cook is now molestering because they aren't "peers"?

No.


You're tap dancing.

You're still retarded.

[Clove]

You're still retarded.

You're still tap dancing. You're using terms for which you have no concrete definition that stands to reason. I'm able to define my opinions, we're still waiting for you to define yours (after a failed try). Who's really retarded?

[Nieninque]

Then your reading comprehension skills suck. FTL

Maybe it's the way you explain yourself


Secondly the concept of forcing a male person to engage in coitis (non-anally) is laughable since the male libido is pretty much uncooperative if the 'victim' is anything but into it.


Need age clarification on the teenager, if he was 14 or older then I wouldnt call that abuse, I'd call it an inappropriate piece of ass.

If it isnt abuse, you would think it inappropriate that the teacher is being charged, right?

[Bobmuhthol]

I hope no one else made this reference yet...

We need to track that boy down and give him his "Luckiest Boy in America" award.

[Clove]

If it isnt abuse, you would think it inappropriate that the teacher is being charged, right?

An infraction doesn't have to result in harm to be an offense. Retard.

[chillmonster]

Some one asked me if these women should get male judges at trial because women don't seem to understand that for most of these kids, these teachers are making their year.

I do think 10 is too young, though. She should go to jail.

[Celephais]

I hope no one else made this reference yet...

We need to track that boy down and give him his "Luckiest Boy in America" award.
http://images.southparkstudios.com/media/images/1010/1010_busted_in_the_tub.jpg
Was all i could think of.

[Celephais]

If you are looking for a lesson on the birds and the bees, sweetheart, go buy a book.
How you interpreted what I said into asking for a lesson on how to use my fuck stick is unfathomable. If you actually didn't know your answer was inadequate when you posted it, you're extremely naive.

[Gan]

If it isnt abuse, you would think it inappropriate that the teacher is being charged, right?

As a parent I would not have filed charges if it were my son who was the person she had sex with at 14 with her being 23.

As a parent I would have filed charges if it were my son who was the person she had sex with at 10 with her being any age. In my opinion, 10 is too young for consentual sex of any kind.


Maybe it's the way you explain yourself
Maybe the fact that you're warped between the ears explains your lack of reading comprehension skills.

[Nieninque]

As a parent I would not have filed charges if it were my son who was the person she had sex with at 14 with her being 23.

As a parent I would have filed charges if it were my son who was the person she had sex with at 10 with her being any age. In my opinion, 10 is too young for consentual sex of any kind.


Maybe the fact that you're warped between the ears explains your lack of reading comprehension skills.

You think sex between children and adults is OK and I'm warped. Gotta love how that works.

[Sean of the Thread]

Rofl how the hell did my debra lafave link make sig status?

[Gan]

You think sex between children and adults is OK and I'm warped. Gotta love how that works.

Yes, your inability to see anything but absolutes is definately warped. Gotta love how that works.

[Nieninque]

Yes, your inability to see anything but absolutes is definately warped. Gotta love how that works.

And yet you are saying absolutely that a 23 year old having sex with a 14 year old is fine and dandy.

14=child.
23=adult.

Adult and child having sex=bad, IMO. In fact, I am struggling to think of a situation where that could be considered as appropriate.

Nope. Can't think of a situation where a fully grown adult, aged 23 could appropriately have sex with a 14 year old and consider it non-abusive.

If your son, aged 14, entered into a sexual relationship with a 23 year old man, would you support that? Would you have your little father-son chat about consequences? Or would you think that man was a sexual predator and introduce his testicles to his tonsils?

[Gan]

And yet you are saying absolutely that a 23 year old having sex with a 14 year old is fine and dandy.
I'm saying a 23 year old girl having sex with a 14 year old boy is an inappropriate piece of ass, but not worthy of filing charges. And I definately dont consider it abusive like you do in your social worker huggy touchy feely blame everyone and everyone is a victim perspective.

[Danical]

What about 14 and 18?

And, what exactly is your definition of an adult Nien?

Is it purely age, in the legal sense, or not? If not, what is it?

[Celephais]

Being 23 I think it would be ridiculous to have sex with someone who was 14... obviously when I was 14 I would have had no problem with having sex with a 23 y/o, but I think that has more to do with being immature. I certainly think it is inappropriate, but I sort of agree with Gan that the level of punishment seems out of line with the crime (especially since legally 10 or 14 makes no difference). Compounded with the fact that it was a teacher/student relationship makes it more inappropriate, but still not deserving of the punishment she will get.

[Nieninque]

I'm saying a 23 year old girl having sex with a 14 year old boy is an inappropriate piece of ass, but not worthy of filing charges. And I definately dont consider it abusive like you do in your social worker huggy touchy feely blame everyone and everyone is a victim perspective.

So how about a 23 year old boy and a 14 year old girl?
How about a 23 year old man and a 14 year old boy?

Let's also bear in mind that according to the news article you posted, we are talking about "six counts of rape of a child in the first degree, two counts of rape of a child in the third degree and four counts of child molestation in the first degree." which I understand to mean that she is charged with having intercourse with a child under 12 and a child under 14 and having sexual contact with a child under 16.

So, the part about this that makes me laugh, is that you lot are all still going, "Hey, it was an inappropriate piece of ass" and that the inappropriate part was because she was a teacher. It's not like she was an upstanding pillar of the community who was unlucky enough for fall deeply in love with one of her students...she is a paedophile who was fucking kids as young as ten years old and they think there are likely to have been more along the way, not just these two.

Way to represent.

[Gan]

So how about a 23 year old boy and a 14 year old girl?
How about a 23 year old man and a 14 year old boy?
See previous posts. Asked and answered.



Let's also bear in mind that according to the news article you posted, we are talking about "six counts of rape of a child in the first degree, two counts of rape of a child in the third degree and four counts of child molestation in the first degree." which I understand to mean that she is charged with having intercourse with a child under 12 and a child under 14 and having sexual contact with a child under 16.
Here's where I point out your inability to have two consequtive conversations at the same time. Lets bear in mind that I find the Original article sad and offensive because it involves a 10 year old. No mention of the 'brother's age was given, unless you're either pulling that out of your ass (most likely) or are referencing another article that you have not linked. I find the topic that PB brought up an inappropriate piece of ass, not offensive and not abusive, and not legally punishable if it were up to me to press charges.


So, the part about this that makes me laugh, is that you lot are all still going, "Hey, it was an inappropriate piece of ass" and that the inappropriate part was because she was a teacher. It's not like she was an upstanding pillar of the community who was unlucky enough for fall deeply in love with one of her students...she is a paedophile who was fucking kids as young as ten years old and they think there are likely to have been more along the way, not just these two.
Again, learn to differentiate the two different stories. Your inability to follow multiple threads of conversation is what makes me laugh.


Way to represent.

Way to be retarded. Go get your medal.

[Clove]

And yet you are saying absolutely that a 23 year old having sex with a 14 year old is fine and dandy.

No you dumb fuck, because the rest of us are able to make more sophisticated distinctions than binary. A 23 year old having sex with a 14 year old is inappropriate but not necessarily harmful or abusive. Since you've demonstrated a low English reading comp that means it may be abuse it may not be, but the age gap is not the determining factor.



If your son, aged 14, entered into a sexual relationship with a 23 year old man, would you support that? Would you have your little father-son chat about consequences? Or would you think that man was a sexual predator and introduce his testicles to his tonsils?

That's at least your second attempt to "up the ante" by making it a homosexual issue. Sex is sex and for someone who has such a healthy attitude towards sex, you really seem to have a problem with gays or you assume whomever you're talking to does. Neither seem particularly healthy attitudes to me

[Nieninque]

See previous posts. Asked and answered.

No you havent. You've ignored it and dodged it.


Here's where I point out your inability to have two consequtive conversations at the same time. Lets bear in mind that I find the Original article sad and offensive because it involves a 10 year old.

Right. I have no argument with that. You have mentioned all along that you thought it would be wrong for an adult to be having sex with a ten year old. That's fine.


No mention of the 'brother's age was given, unless you're either pulling that out of your ass (most likely) or are referencing another article that you have not linked.

Or just uncannily able to read the one that you posted and linked...


Jennifer Rice, 31, was charged on Wednesday with raping and molesting a second boy in his mid-teens

What was that about reading comprehension?


I find the topic that PB brought up an inappropriate piece of ass, not offensive and not abusive, and not legally punishable if it were up to me to press charges.

Again, learn to differentiate the two different stories. Your inability to follow multiple threads of conversation is what makes me laugh.

Im sure you can see that there are similarities between the two.

Take the ten year old out of the equation. You have agreed that an adult having intercourse and molesting a ten year old is wrong. So what we have left is, in your story, a mid-teens boy who was (statutory?) raped by a 31 woman, and in PB's a 14 year old boy who was molested(?) by a 23 year old woman. Now they look to be pretty similar in circumstances, save a difference of 8 years between offenders.

So that's why I am linking the two, that and the fact that if it is such that the kid in PB's story was "up for it" purely because he got it on, surely that must also apply to the other kid? In your way of thinking, that is.


Way to be retarded. Go get your medal.

Think you could share for a while? They said you took the last one.

[Nieninque]

That's at least your second attempt to "up the ante" by making it a homosexual issue. Sex is sex and for someone who has such a healthy attitude towards sex, you really seem to have a problem with gays or you assume whomever you're talking to does. Neither seem particularly healthy attitudes to me

It's not about making it a homosexual issue, you stupid cunt. It's about seeing whether the same situation would apply were one or both of the genders of the people involved, changed. You have stated very clearly that you are not homophobic and that you wouldnt mind your 14 year old son being fucked by a 23 year old man. I applaud you. However, I really dont give a fuck what you think one way or the other, which is why my question wasnt aimed at you.

It was aimed at Gan, who I feel IS (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showpost.php?p=620183&postcount=7) homophobic to a certain degree so I wanted a response from him on how he would feel were that situation to apply to his son when he reaches age 14, to gauge whether he really believes that itis OK for adults to have sex with children (albeit 14 year old children) or if it is only when it is a 14 year old boy and an adult woman.

Now, do us all a favour and fuck off again, there's a good chap.

[Clove]

Now, do us all a favour and fuck off again, there's a good chap.

Colorful but it still doesn't make you less of a dumb fuck with a talent for missing the point a deficient analytic ability and a low aptitude for synthesis.

DeV has made very sharp and relevant points regarding the nature of the problem. All you've done is blather hysterically. Midol. Reeses. Bugger off.

[Nieninque]

Colorful but it still doesn't make you less of a dumb fuck with a talent for missing the point a deficient analytic ability and a low aptitude for synthesis.

DeV has made very sharp and relevant points regarding the nature of the problem. All you've done is blather hysterically. Midol. Reeses. Bugger off.

Mate, I could invent something equivalent to Einsteins theory of relativity and you would diss it, on the basis that I wrote it and you think you are cool by following the lads.

Let's face it, when Stanley Burrell is supporting your argument, you know you are fucked up the arse.

[Nieninque]

A 23 year old having sex with a 14 year old is inappropriate but not necessarily harmful or abusive.

I disagree. It is both harmful and abusive. The law agrees. In your country and mine. Hoorah!

[CrystalTears]

So not liking the idea of people having sex in a bathroom means you're a homophobe? Alrighty then.

I also believe that just because people don't want to throw someone the entire book for a 23 year-old having sex with a 14 year-old, doesn't mean they don't find it wrong at all. That 23 year-old certainly shouldn't be teaching at the very least, regardless of gender.

[Latrinsorm]

unless you're Latrin who afterall was a perfect child, look how he turned outI'm not the one saying 23 & 14 isn't absolutely unacceptable, man. For all your talk about how Nien should have kids before offering her advice (well, one post), I would not be at all surprised to find your views reversed if you had a 14 year old daughter.

[Gan]

No you havent. You've ignored it and dodged it.
No it was answered, go back and look because I'm not wasting the effort of teaching you how to read, or comprehend.




Right. I have no argument with that. You have mentioned all along that you thought it would be wrong for an adult to be having sex with a ten year old. That's fine.
You got someone to read that part for you didnt you?




Or just uncannily able to read the one that you posted and linked...
Wrong, no where in the OP was the age of the brother verified. Again, ask someone to read it for you because you're clearly failing to understand what is being discussed, the direction of the discussion, and the side-issues being discussed.




What was that about reading comprehension?
That you suck at it.




Im sure you can see that there are similarities between the two.
In gender yes, in situation almost, in age no. There's where you're reaching.



Take the ten year old out of the equation. You have agreed that an adult having intercourse and molesting a ten year old is wrong. So what we have left is, in your story, a mid-teens boy who was (statutory?) raped by a 31 woman, and in PB's a 14 year old boy who was molested(?) by a 23 year old woman. Now they look to be pretty similar in circumstances, save a difference of 8 years between offenders.
And yet I've already commented on both cases, why (how) is it that you still fail to understand, even after 100+ posts in this thread, where I stand on the OP and on the 2nd post? Buy a clue please.


So that's why I am linking the two, that and the fact that if it is such that the kid in PB's story was "up for it" purely because he got it on, surely that must also apply to the other kid? In your way of thinking, that is.
Again, the first post is focused on the 10 year old with no mention of the 2nd boy other than it was discovered later that she was involved with him as well. You can hypothesize all you want, but I'm not going to give you the absolute that you thrive on. Find the age of the 2nd boy and I'll comment on it, otherwise you'll have to be satisfied with how I feel about her involvement with the 10 year old. Everything else beyond that is conjecture, and moot.




Think you could share for a while? They said you took the last one. Here you go.
http://www.film-tech.com/ubb/image_uploads/retard.jpg

[Nieninque]

So not liking the idea of people having sex in a bathroom means you're a homophobe? Alrighty then.

Oh come on CT, you're smarter than that. His comment in that thread was asking when Public Bathrooms became a pick-up joint for "dick snorkeling and butt piracy". Whichever way you dress that up, it was a homophobic comment.


I also believe that just because people don't want to throw someone the entire book for a 23 year-old having sex with a 14 year-old, doesn't mean they don't find it wrong at all. That 23 year-old certainly shouldn't be teaching at the very least, regardless of gender.

She shouldn't be allowed near children.

And they (Gan, mainly) didn't say it was something that should be prosecuted, just not to the full extent of the law, he suggested that it was only inappropriate because she was a teacher. Most other males that have posted in this thread (ranging from the credibility of Stainley, to trainee Lawyer The E) have done the "High 5" thing.

Still waiting to see how many of them (other than Clove) would be saying the same thing if their 14 year old daughter was shagging her 23 year old male teacher or their 14 year old son was doing the same.

[Clove]

Let's face it, when Stanley Burrell is supporting your argument, you know you are fucked up the arse.

That was cold Nieninque. Let's keep it civil at least.

[Gan]

I'm not the one saying 23 & 14 isn't absolutely unacceptable, man. For all your talk about how Nien should have kids before offering her advice (well, one post), I would not be at all surprised to find your views reversed if you had a 14 year old daughter.
I've already commented on how it would be reversed if it were a girl that was 14 and a guy that was 23. It should be no suprise at all how I feel.

[Gan]

I also believe that just because people don't want to throw someone the entire book for a 23 year-old having sex with a 14 year-old, doesn't mean they don't find it wrong at all. That 23 year-old certainly shouldn't be teaching at the very least, regardless of gender.

Someone who gets it. :clap:

[Clove]

I disagree. It is both harmful and abusive. The law agrees. In your country and mine. Hoorah!

And I pointed out the law is flawed in my opinion and why I believe it so. The beauty of a democracy.

I've agreed with your points of view in the past but in the present discussion you aren't resembling Einstein you're resembling Corky.

(CT is smarter than that and apparently smarter than you she at least LISTENS and READS and THINKS)

[Nieninque]

No it was answered, go back and look because I'm not wasting the effort of teaching you how to read, or comprehend.

I did actually read the whole thread again, before I posted the last time. You don't answer either of those questions at any point. I will ask again. Would you be so happy for your 14 year old son to be sleeping with his 23 year old male teacher or for your 14 year old daughter to be sleeping with her 23 year old teacher?


Wrong, no where in the OP was the age of the brother verified. Again, ask someone to read it for you because you're clearly failing to understand what is being discussed, the direction of the discussion, and the side-issues being discussed.

OK, I will post your OP again.


TACOMA, Wash. -- A former Tacoma teacher accused of raping a 10-year-old boy is now facing additional charges after investigators said there is at least one more victim.

Jennifer Rice, 31, was charged on Wednesday with raping and molesting a second boy in his mid-teens. KIRO 7 Eyewitness News reporter Kevin McCarty said sources told him the second victim is the brother of the 10-year-old boy who Rice allegedly molested.

Rice was first arrested and charged on Aug. 14 with kidnapping a former student while having a sexual relationship with him.

Police said that since the former teacher had contact with students at several schools, they have not ruled out the possibility that there could be more victims in Pierce County.Investigators said the discovery of a second victim led to 12 new counts in the case against Rice.

Prosecutors charged Rice with six counts of rape of a child in the first degree, two counts of rape of a child in the third degree and four counts of child molestation in the first degree.

Investigators said they were unaware of the alleged teenage victim until after Rice was arrested. “During the course of the original investigation, in talking with the second victim and talking with witnesses, whether directly or indirectly, the second victim came up,” said Officer Mark Fulghum of Tacoma police.

Rice remains in jail. Her bail has been set at $500,000.

http://www.kirotv.com/news/14111105/detail.html

See now?


Again, the first post is focused on the 10 year old with no mention of the 2nd boy other than it was discovered later that she was involved with him as well. You can hypothesize all you want, but I'm not going to give you the absolute that you thrive on. Find the age of the 2nd boy and I'll comment on it, otherwise you'll have to be satisfied with how I feel about her involvement with the 10 year old. Everything else beyond that is conjecture, and moot.

Unless you learn to read.

Here's hoping.

[CrystalTears]

It can't be as cut and dry as "a 23 year old screwed my 14 year old so this person needs to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law and be put on the sex offender list!".

If my 14 year old, regardless of gender, came home upset, crying, shaken, stirred, frightened or anything and everything else that would show to me that this affair negatively affected their life, that 23 year old is going is going to pay heavily for what they did. They'll wish that getting fired was the best part of the conviction.

However if my 14 year old never said anything to me, came home whistling and laughing all the time, and then ultimately I found out about it, I'd make sure the 23 year old was fired, but it's not something that I would want to tackle further because my child is apparently okay with it so far.

I just can't see how you can say that it's automatically a rape situation just because sex was involved.

[Gan]

It was aimed at Gan, who I feel IS (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showpost.php?p=620183&postcount=7) homophobic to a certain degree so I wanted a response from him on how he would feel were that situation to apply to his son when he reaches age 14, to gauge whether he really believes that itis OK for adults to have sex with children (albeit 14 year old children) or if it is only when it is a 14 year old boy and an adult woman.

LOL @ being homophobic. You certainly got me figured out! ///sarcasm.

Hopefully someday you'll understand the difference in how a teenage boy feels about sex, and then how a young adult male feels about sex, and then how an older adult male feels about sex. Then you can take that knowledge and compare it to how a teenage girl feels about sex, how an young adult woman feels about sex, and lastly how an older woman feels about sex.

However, since you tend to look at things in absolutes, you've probably no idea of the differences that exist betwen the two and why, if the roles were reversed it would not be appropriate in most cases with specific regards to PB's example of the 14/23 year old.

[Nieninque]

I've already commented on how it would be reversed if it were a girl that was 14 and a guy that was 23. It should be no suprise at all how I feel.

OK, I have read (again) the post about the teacher at your school who was stalking the girl and lost his job. You said that was cool by you so from that I am making the assumption that your opinions about the 14 year old and the 23 year old are gender specific and, unlike Clove, you have double standards for who does and doesn't constitute a sexual predator.

Thanks, and LOL.

[Nieninque]

However, since you tend to look at things in absolutes, you've probably no idea of the differences that exist betwen the two and why, if the roles were reversed it would not be appropriate in most cases with specific regards to PB's example of the 14/23 year old.

It will be exactly as appropriate.
And the fact that people still have the same attitude as you about boys (as in children) having sex, means that boys will continue to have problems in being able to disclose sexual abuse.

The main obstacles for children in disclosing abuse is that they don't think they will be believed and they think they are to blame.

GG for perpetuating that.

I also understand that due to your belief that it wouldn't be the same situation if the genders were reversed, that you would object to your 14 year old son finding himself a nice strapping 23 year ear old boyfriend either. Given that we don't have to worry about how a young girl or older woman feels about sex in that scenario, and it is only boys and men, who let's face it are up for it at age 14, any objections you would have to this happening can only be homophobia.

Hoorah!

That's all sorted.

[Gan]

OK, I have read (again) the post about the teacher at your school who was stalking the girl and lost his job. You said that was cool by you so from that I am making the assumption that your opinions about the 14 year old and the 23 year old are gender specific and, unlike Clove, you have double standards for who does and doesn't constitute a sexual predator.

Thanks, and LOL.

1. Reading comprehension with you is clearly a challenge. Are you sure I was ok with the teacher losing his job because he stalked the girl, or was it because I thought he was an ass? Come on now, think on it.

2. A post I had intended to post earlier did not make it. So I'll be clear on it now. I feel that there is a distinct difference in the way guys view sex and the way girls view sex. Especially in the teenage years, but even extending on through their 20's and 30's. There is a reason why studies show that boys/men think about sex every 5 seconds. Sex is all about sex to a guy. Why do you think porn is such a big thing with a guy? I'm willing to bet that the percentage of guys who think about sex is pretty close to the percentage of girls who dont always think about sex. And vice versa.

So to answer the question what would I do if my daughter was the 14 year old and the teacher was a 23 year old guy? If my daughter said all she was after was a shot of ass then I would let her, and make sure I was there when she needed someone to pick her up if she fell. I would still go after the guy's job though, simply because I dont believe a teacher should use a school as a dating venue. Would I like it, probably not. Yet parents have to live with the fact that their children will do things that are not liked by said parents.

Homephobic, no. Realistic, yea.
Face it, teenagers will have sex.
Highschool girls always chase after the older guys. They want to fall in love, they want to get married... they want house and kids and all that soap opera shit.
Highschool guys chase after any girl that represents a shot of ass. Because guys just want that shot of ass, and spit any kind of game to get it.

[Gan]

It will be exactly as appropriate.
And the fact that people still have the same attitude as you about boys (as in children) having sex, means that boys will continue to have problems in being able to disclose sexual abuse.
Wrong.


The main obstacles for children in disclosing abuse is that they don't think they will be believed and they think they are to blame.
IF the child said they were abused, what makes you think I wouldnt believe them? GG for assuming that I wouldnt.



I also understand that due to your belief that it wouldn't be the same situation if the genders were reversed, that you would object to your 14 year old son finding himself a nice strapping 23 year ear old boyfriend either. Given that we don't have to worry about how a young girl or older woman feels about sex in that scenario, and it is only boys and men, who let's face it are up for it at age 14, any objections you would have to this happening can only be homophobia.
Are you sure thats how I feel? Mind providing a quote that confirms that, or is it more Nien conjecture?



Hoorah!

That's all sorted.
Perhaps in your own little fantasy world.

[Gan]

I did actually read the whole thread again, before I posted the last time. You don't answer either of those questions at any point. I will ask again. Would you be so happy for your 14 year old son to be sleeping with his 23 year old male teacher or for your 14 year old daughter to be sleeping with her 23 year old teacher?



OK, I will post your OP again.



See now?



Unless you learn to read.

Here's hoping.

What age do you define mid-teen?

[Nieninque]

What age do you define mid-teen?

Well, we could do it two ways.
One of which would be midway between 10 and 20, which would be 15. The other would be between 13 and 19 which would be 16.

Given the fact that the charges relate to children under the age of 16, it will be 15 max, probably a range of offences around the age of 14 and 15. (the report said (I think) that there were 12 charges.)

[Gan]

Well, we could do it two ways.
One of which would be midway between 10 and 20, which would be 15. The other would be between 13 and 19 which would be 16.
Mid teen to me is 16.


Given the fact that the charges relate to children under the age of 16, it will be 15 max, probably a range of offences around the age of 14 and 15. (the report said (I think) that there were 12 charges.) Source please.

Edited to add:
According to the OP, she was arrested for kidnapping and child molestation of the 10 year old. And raping and molesting a second boy in his mid-teens. Is that statutory rape? What are the laws and age ranges in her state for child molestation and statutory rape? Or did they charge her with both? The OP didnt say, so where are you getting the info from?

[Nieninque]

1. Reading comprehension with you is clearly a challenge.

Says the guy who didnt read his own post...


Are you sure I was ok with the teacher losing his job because he stalked the girl, or was it because I thought he was an ass? Come on now, think on it.

Well, I didnt really consider that post as particularly relevant until you repeatedly insisted that you had replied to the question about the genders being reversed. As that was the only post that came close (and then not very), I made the assumption that that was the post you were referencing in your continued assertions.


2. A post I had intended to post earlier did not make it.

ROFL...so it's not my reading comprehension after all? Oh thank god! It was actually because you hadnt responded.

Apology accepted.


So I'll be clear on it now. I feel that there is a distinct difference in the way guys view sex and the way girls view sex. Especially in the teenage years, but even extending on through their 20's and 30's. There is a reason why studies show that boys/men think about sex every 5 seconds.

I havent seen those studies. I just tried to google it quickly to see what I could find and all that came up was a site bitching about "feminazis" saying that the studies about men thinking of sex every 5 seconds was a ploy to portray women as more credible witness in sexual abuse allegations.

Are there really studies that show that men think about sex every 15 seconds? How would you measure that?


Sex is all about sex to a guy. Why do you think porn is such a big thing with a guy?

I know some women that are all about the porn. I seem to remember some of the women who post here saying how much they enjoy it. I think you are displaying some of your traditionalist (sexist) beliefs.


I'm willing to bet that the percentage of guys who think about sex is pretty close to the percentage of girls who dont always think about sex. And vice versa.

Again, how do you measure it?


So to answer the question what would I do if my daughter was the 14 year old and the teacher was a 23 year old guy? If my daughter said all she was after was a shot of ass then I would let her, and make sure I was there when she needed someone to pick her up if she fell. I would still go after the guy's job though, simply because I dont believe a teacher should use a school as a dating venue. Would I like it, probably not. Yet parents have to live with the fact that their children will do things that are not liked by said parents.

Absolutely. I wholeheartedly agree that kids kick against what their parents want them to do, but does that mean that the parents stand back and let shit happen? Sometimes there isnt much they can do, but sometimes there is.


Homephobic, no. Realistic, yea.
Face it, teenagers will have sex.
Highschool girls always chase after the older guys. They want to fall in love, they want to get married... they want house and kids and all that soap opera shit.
Highschool guys chase after any girl that represents a shot of ass. Because guys just want that shot of ass, and spit any kind of game to get it.

Again, traditionalist. I notice that you also dodged the same-sex scenario question again.

[Nieninque]

Mid teen to me is 16.
Source please.

Your post (did you even read it?)

"Investigators said the discovery of a second victim led to 12 new counts in the case against Rice"


Edited to add:
According to the OP, she was arrested for kidnapping and child molestation of the 10 year old. And raping and molesting a second boy in his mid-teens. Is that statutory rape? What are the laws and age ranges in her state for child molestation and statutory rape? Or did they charge her with both? The OP didnt say, so where are you getting the info from?

She was originally arrested for the kidnapping and sexual assault of the ten year old. During the course of that enquiry, they discovered (as often happens in child abuse investigations) that the alleged perpetrator had also been (allegedly) sexually involved with (an)other child(ren). On pursuing that line of investigation, they charged her with a further 12 counts. (see above for source)

[Gan]

Says the guy who didnt read his own post...
Coming from the girl who has trouble reading any posts.




Well, I didnt really consider that post as particularly relevant until you repeatedly insisted that you had replied to the question about the genders being reversed. As that was the only post that came close (and then not very), I made the assumption that that was the post you were referencing in your continued assertions. You seem to be all about assumptions when you're fitting others arguments to your own. Thats ok, we're used to it now.




ROFL...so it's not my reading comprehension after all? Oh thank god! It was actually because you hadnt responded.

Apology accepted. No apology was given, in fact you failed the comprehension part again. :clap:




I havent seen those studies. I just tried to google it quickly to see what I could find and all that came up was a site bitching about "feminazis" saying that the studies about men thinking of sex every 5 seconds was a ploy to portray women as more credible witness in sexual abuse allegations.

Are there really studies that show that men think about sex every 15 seconds? How would you measure that? Well you got me there, it appears that its less frequent than every 5 seconds. http://kinseyinstitute.org/resources/FAQ.html#fantasy
It appears that if your google abilities were as good as your gift to argue insipantly then you would have been able to refute the 5 second rule better. Glad I could help you out.



I know some women that are all about the porn. I seem to remember some of the women who post here saying how much they enjoy it. I think you are displaying some of your traditionalist (sexist) beliefs. As compared to men? Is that an equal amount? Or would you say that you know more men who like the Pron than women? Or more women that prefer it to men? Maybe you'll ask the guys on your football team?



Absolutely. I wholeheartedly agree that kids kick against what their parents want them to do, but does that mean that the parents stand back and let shit happen? Sometimes there isnt much they can do, but sometimes there is. Such as? Lets hear this pearl of wisdom.




Again, traditionalist. I notice that you also dodged the same-sex scenario question again.
Apply the same sex scenario to the girl/14 scenario above. Surely you would have figured that out by now. I guess I overestimated you.

[Gan]

Your post (did you even read it?)

"Investigators said the discovery of a second victim led to 12 new counts in the case against Rice"
What were the charges numbnuts? 12 counts of what? How were they relating to the woman and the boy or boys?




She was originally arrested for the kidnapping and sexual assault of the ten year old. During the course of that enquiry, they discovered (as often happens in child abuse investigations) that the alleged perpetrator had also been (allegedly) sexually involved with (an)other child(ren). On pursuing that line of investigation, they charged her with a further 12 counts. (see above for source)
No arguments that the 10 year old was abused. What does the mid-teen boy have to say? She made me have sex with her? She forced me to have an erection and have intercourse?

Or did she threaten the younger boy with harm if the mid-teen boy didnt have sex? I could buy that, but its a stretch. It will be interesting to see the testimony of the mid-teen boy to see if your theory is right.

[TheEschaton]

MAN, fuck tha police, coming staight oput teh underground. Young niggsa got it bad cause I brown.

[Clove]

Mate, I could invent something equivalent to Einsteins theory of relativity and you would diss it, on the basis that I wrote it and you think you are cool by following the lads...

Tell yourself that if it makes you feel better.


You're out of line. I disagree with Gan that it is impossible to force coitus on a male....

Initially I was attacking your reading comp. to get a rise out of you. But as time goes by my jibes are really just becoming observations.

Learn to read

I disagree with Gan specifically (and likely several other "lads") that coitus can't be forced upon a male. I also disagree that the sexual experience between male and female adolescents is different enough to vary our legal responses to them. In my experience while boys and girls do view sex differently they're both equally capable of engaging in sex frivolously (albeit often for very different reasons).

Learn to read

What has been said by myself, Gan and CT is that harmful sex depends on more than the legal definition of a minor or the age gap between partners.

Learn to read

We have said the harm varies (if there is any at all) and our responses should also vary. No-one has said that sex between an adult and a teen is acceptable, particularly when that adult has had undue influence over the teen (i.e. a teacher, priest, doctor etc.).

Learn to read

We have questioned your opinion that all cases of sex between a teen and a legal adult are abusive and harmful solely because of the age gap. Everyone agrees that in all circumstances sex with preteens is beyond inappropriate and certainly harmful in all cases and should always be treated as criminal.

Learn to read and learn how to distinguish shades of gray.

[Drinin]

Eh, if there's grass on the field, I say, 'Play ball'.

[Stanley Burrell]

This is on-topic, I think.

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