Dueling Heads-up

[Khariz]

The world grows blurry and indistinct. After a moment everything becomes clear again. Looking about, you see...
[Consultation Lounge]
The cozy surroundings of this simple conference room provide a much-welcomed respite from the chaos just outside its walls. You notice several plush chairs arranged casually around the room in a comfortable grouping.
Also here: Maleek, Razze who is sitting, GameMaster Xxxxx
Obvious exits: none
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You feel less drained.
You've gained 1 physical training point.
(To use these new points, click on the "skill goals" link in the quick link bar.)
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Razze laughs softly, trying to hide his amusement.

You give your eyebrow a little workout.
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Razze says, "Well now."

You feel more refreshed.

You ask, "What am I doing here?"
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Razze shrugs.
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Razze says, "Good question."

You say, "I'm just the ressurector."
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You sense the link to Maleek's soul slip peacefully away.

You grin at Xxxxx.
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Razze says, "Im the healer."
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You have just been awarded -640 experience points.
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Maleek works his fingers under his visored steel helmet and scratches his head.
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[Consultation Lounge]
The cozy surroundings of this simple conference room provide a much-welcomed respite from the chaos just outside its walls. You notice several plush chairs arranged casually around the room in a comfortable grouping.
Also here: Michaelous who is sitting, Maleek, Razze who is sitting, GameMaster Xxxxx
Obvious exits: none
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Razze nods to Xxxxx.

You ask, "Erm?"
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Razze wails!
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Razze asks, "What for?"
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Maleek says, "An i didnt tink we did anything that bad considering we was onda boulder."
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Maleek ponders.
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Razze nods to Maleek.
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Razze says, "Fair dueling."
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Xxxxx says, "I'm afraid you're not allowed to gain xp from healing and raising folks who're dueling."
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* Orpius just bit the dust!
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You feel more refreshed.
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Razze says, "Oh."
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Xxxxx says, "Duelers are to use the CHALLENGE command to prevent this."
You say, "Ahh, alright. That's fine. I wasn't seeking to do anything but assist Maleek."

You grin.
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Maleek smiles at Xxxxx.
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Razze says, "I was just doing what any othe empath would do."
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Razze shrugs.

You turn towards Xxxxx and render a sharp salute with your orase runestaff.
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Speaking to you, Xxxxx says, "Your intent isn't at question, merely the mechanics involved."
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Xxxxx smiles.

You nod to Xxxxx.
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Razze nods to Xxxxx.
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Speaking to Razze, Xxxxx says, "Same with you."
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* Zeloflash is off to a rough start! He just bit the dust!
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Razze nods.
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You feel more refreshed.
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Maleek nods.
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Razze asks, "Why's maleek here then??"
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Razze blinks.
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Razze pokes Maleek in the ribs.
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Maleek says, "Cause i was in the duel."
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Maleek begins chuckling at Razze!
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Razze says, "Oh michaelous is here too."
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Xxxxx says, "Now then, I'll have to look through everyone's logs to see if there're any priors, so you'll be awhile."

You say, "In fact...I wasn't even intending to Rez the guy."
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Maleek says, "No Madmountain tho."
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Madmountan appears in a flash of light, looking slightly disoriented.

You say, "I asked in whisper if he needed a rez cause no clerics were coming."
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Razze says, "Bludragoo."
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Razze says, "He started it all."
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Bludragoo appears in a flash of light, looking slightly disoriented.
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You feel at full magical power again.
You do not feel drained anymore.
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Maleek begins chuckling at Razze!
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Razze says, "They said they needed a healer."
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Razze shrugs.
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Bludragoo asks, "Whats goin on?"

You ask, "Priors fer what?"
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Bludragoo says, "Oh wow."
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Razze laughs!
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Xxxxx says, "Okay, to repeat for the newcomers..."

You say, "I'm confused."
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You feel more refreshed.
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Bludragoo asks, "Did they ban dueling completely?"
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Bludragoo asks, "Or am I losing my mind in this lounge?"
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Maleek asks, "Have priors for what?"
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* Kylinarr just bit the dust!
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The feeling of weakness leaves you. Your spirits are somewhat rejuvenated.
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Xxxxx says, "Duelers are to use the CHALLENGE command in order to prevent healers and raisers being accused of abusing game mechanics."

You say, "Ahh, I'm being accused of that."
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Maleek just opened an invar mesh leather war pack.
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Bludragoo asks, "Um, you wanna make a sign for that on the boulder?"

You say, "Interesting."
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Speaking to Bludragoo, Xxxxx says, "Fraid not, though I'll send that idea up the chain of command."
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You feel more refreshed.
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Bludragoo nods.
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Maleek removes some acantha leaf from in his leather war pack.
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Maleek takes a bite of his acantha leaf.
Maleek makes a horrible face!
Maleek looks a little better.
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Razze nods to Maleek.
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Maleek removes some acantha leaf from in his leather war pack.
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Maleek takes a bite of his acantha leaf.
Maleek looks a little better.
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Bludragoo says, "ANd tell'm we want some more hobgoblin rockin ."
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* Zeloflash is off to a rough start! He just bit the dust!
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Maleek takes a bite of his acantha leaf.
Maleek looks a little better.
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Bludragoo says, "Tryin to rezz the boulder."
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Bludragoo asks, "You familiar with it?"
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Bludragoo raises an eyebrow in Xxxxx's direction.
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Razze murmurs a simple, mystical chant...
Razze gestures.
The magic fizzles ineffectually.

You say, "Kinda off though when I log in to help a guy that cannot get a cleric through normal means...don't care about exp, I just didn't want him lying there rotting."

You shrug.
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Bludragoo says, "At least we're not in trouble."
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Bludragoo says, "Darcthundar didn't abuse."
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Bludragoo says, "At all."
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You feel more refreshed.
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Bludragoo asks, "He didn't even get a chance to raise the guy, or did he?"
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Razze nods.
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Bludragoo says, "And I have another question."

You say, "I did."
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Maleek says, "Ah'm right here."
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The shimmering multicolored sphere fades from around Michaelous.
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Maleek leans softly against Bludragoo.
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Razze says, "He just fogged in and raised with no questions."
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Bludragoo says, "If they're not allowed to raise."
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Bludragoo asks, "How are they supposed to get up?"

You say, "I took him to my 220 sanct so that someone wouldn't kill him again."
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Bludragoo asks, "You forcing them to decay?"
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Bludragoo raises an eyebrow in Xxxxx's direction.

You say, "No, he wansts the CHALLENGE verb used."
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Xxxxx says, "Now then."

You ask, "But how can I, as the cleric, make people do that?"

You grin.
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Maleek says, "No its cause the CHALLENGE verb wasnt used so they couldnt learn from us fighting."
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Razze pokes Bludragoo in the ribs.
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Xxxxx says, "I'll repeat myself."
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Xxxxx smiles.
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Michaelous says, "Hello."
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You feel more refreshed.
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Maleek says, "They cant."
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Michaelous says, "Woah."
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Xxxxx says, "Duelers are instructed to use the CHALLENGE verb."
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Madmountan becomes solid again.
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Maleek grins at you.

You say, "When I wasn't even logged into the game when they dueled."
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Xxxxx asks, "Everyone clear on that?"
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Maleek says, "Am now."
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* Haalen just bit the dust!
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Xxxxx says, "Now's when everyone says yes."
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Razze says, "Well no more healing dualers."
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Michaelous asks, "How bout free for alls?"
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Xxxxx says, "Nodding is okay, too."
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Madmountan says, "I agree to.,"
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Razze says, "Lesson learned."
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Maleek says, "Still tho Darc didnt know an he jus wanted to help."
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Razze nods.

You say, "I agree that they should use Challenge when dueling."
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Bludragoo says, "Michaelous raises a great concern... ANd If you want to address this then lets do this properly."
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Michaelous says, "I agree."

You say, "Dunno how I can tell whether they did or not though."
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Bludragoo says, "We understand that you want us to use that verb."
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Xxxxx says, "Thank you."
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You feel more refreshed.
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Michaelous says, "But."
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Michaelous says, "How bout free for alls."
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Bludragoo asks, "But what about Free for alls and people in Darcthundar's situation?"
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Maleek says, "Cause this was 2 on 1 cant challenge 2 souls."
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Maleek says, "Was Micha and Madmountain versus me."
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Bludragoo nods.
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Michaelous asks, "Or we are not allowed to have free for alls?"
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Speaking to Maleek, Xxxxx says, "You're correct, I recommend you post a polite request on the appropriate board about it."
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Bludragoo blinks.
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Xxxxx says, "And refrain til you get the right response."
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You feel more refreshed.

You ask, "And about clerics and empaths not present knowing if proper mechanics were used?"

Xxxxx says, "I'm sorry the mechanics don't support free-for-alls at this time."

You ask, "Am I to inquire?"
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Michaelous asks, "Actually the policy says consenting cvc is allowed doesnt it?"
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Bludragoo says, "Its kinda retarded that this has never been a problem in the past..."
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Bludragoo says, "As far as the boulder is concerned."
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Bludragoo shrugs.
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Speaking to you, Xxxxx says, "I would recommend you inquire yes, lest you unknowingly commit some abuse."
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Maleek says, "Until i get involved."
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Bludragoo nods to Maleek.
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Maleek says, "I've been flagged as a "problem"."
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Maleek gazes heavenward.
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Bludragoo says, "Yeah."
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Bludragoo says, "Everyone capped has."
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You feel more refreshed.
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Michaelous begins chuckling at Maleek!
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Maleek chuckles to himself.
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Bludragoo says, "Its called time to cash out gemstone and rock the boat."
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Bludragoo snickers.
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Bludragoo ducks his head.
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Maleek begins chuckling at Bludragoo!
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Bludragoo says, "Holdin my tongue now."

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Bludragoo nods to Xxxxx.

You nod to Xxxxx.

You say, "I can do that."
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Speaking to Xxxxx, Michaelous asks, "Did we disturb someone who didnt want to be disturbed?"
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Speaking to you, Maleek says, "My apoligies."
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Bludragoo says, "I have a question regarding mechanics. If you use the duel verb and someone dies."
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Bludragoo asks, "Clerics can't raise them can they?"
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Bludragoo asks, "Or they can, just no experience gained?"
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You feel more refreshed.

You say, "Look, I know where he's coming from. Empaths and Clerics basically get free EXP from duels that don't use the CHALLENGE verb. That's unfair for everyone else."
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Speaking to Michaelous, Maleek says, "No they were jus watching me an saw that we werent cause you cant when its not one on one."
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Bludragoo asks, "And if its like that, that is the workings of gemstone saying they discourage PvP aye?"
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Maleek chuckles to himself.
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Xxxxx says, "Nope, simply the rules...my job to enforce'em in this particular case."
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Michaelous says, "Thats not true."
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Bludragoo asks, "Not to sound offensive, but can you ask even more senior management more about the boulder?"
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Xxxxx says, "Clerics can raise a properly CHALLENGEd dueler, they just get no exp."

You nod to Xxxxx.
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[Consultation Lounge]
The cozy surroundings of this simple conference room provide a much-welcomed respite from the chaos just outside its walls. You notice several plush chairs arranged casually around the room in a comfortable grouping. You also see the Madmountan disk.
Also here: Bludragoo who is sitting, Madmountan, Michaelous who is sitting, Maleek, Razze who is sitting, GameMaster Xxxxx
Obvious exits: none
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Michaelous asks, "Why are we here again?"
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You feel more refreshed.
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--- Maleek just bit the dust! ---

The powerful look leaves Maleek.
Maleek begins to breathe less deeply.
The light blue glow leaves Maleek.
The dim aura fades from around Maleek.
The deep blue glow leaves Maleek.

* Maleek drops dead at your feet!

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* Maleek just bit the dust!
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Bludragoo blinks.
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Michaelous begins chuckling at Maleek!
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The ghostly voice of Maleek says, "Uhhhh."
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Bludragoo asks, "He gonna replace the deed?"

You say, "Cept clerics can't detect if challenge was used, so I'm glad to know I need to ask now."
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Speaking to Maleek, Michaelous says, "We cant raise you, cause you were in a duel in the past 10 minutes."
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Xxxxx nods to you.
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The ghostly voice of Maleek says, "Thanks for that........"
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Michaelous chuckles.
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You feel more refreshed.
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The ghostly voice of Maleek says, "This is what we pay for......"
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Maleek issues a ghostly curse on his own mortality.
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Speaking to Xxxxx, Michaelous says, "Can you put in a good word for me, i applied today."
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Bludragoo says, "Over pay for."
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Michaelous just nudged Xxxxx.
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Bludragoo nods to Maleek.
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Bludragoo says, "Gotta state it right."

You say, "While we are undoing everything, I'll take an uncut diamond for the chrism gem."

You grin evilly.
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Madmountan appears less confident.
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Bludragoo says, "And I lost some 10x fullplate while you put me here.."
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Bludragoo grins stupidly.
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Michaelous grows indistinct. Slowly it dawns on you that he isn't there anymore.
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Madmountan grows indistinct. Slowly it dawns on you that he isn't there anymore.
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You feel more refreshed.
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The world grows blurry and indistinct. After a moment everything becomes clear again. Looking about, you see...
[Sanctuary]
A grey, swirling mist surrounds you, its tendrils creeping around your feet and twisting into a thick, translucent mass that vaguely forms a curved wall around the chamber. A feeling of calmness and protection passes over you as you sense that nothing harmful may pass the swirling walls.
Obvious exits: out
>out
Spell Major Sanctuary (220) ended.
A bright light surrounds you and your visions of sanctuary slowly fade...
[Upper Dragonsclaw, Boulder]
The crest of the towering boulder affords a good view of the surrounding countryside. To the north, you see the dense forests of the Lower Dragonsclaw. Looking northeast, the verdant grasslands sprawl down towards the coast. Gazing southward at the slopes, in the distance you see the snow-covered summits of the Dragonsclaw mountain range, shrouded in perpetual mist. You also see some acantha leaf and a blade-tipped light crossbow bolt.
Also here: Renowned Lady Sraven
Obvious paths: down

[Warriorbird]

There might be a point to this if the challenge verb actually worked correctly at preventing healing exp right now.

[Khariz]

There might be a point to this if the challenge verb actually worked correctly at preventing healing exp right now.

LOL

That makes this all the much better.

[TheEschaton]

They re-killed Maleek?

Amazing.

[Khariz]

Yeah...that was the most amazing part to me. Maybe it was because I used a Chrism gem to raise him?

[AestheticDeath]

Pretty stupid I think. Especially when you can 'abuse' getting exp just as easily by having a warrior in full plate go around with empath following and 'let' him get hit by whatever hes hunting.

And what about invasions? Are they going to turn off exp gain for clerics and empaths during invasions now since its purposefully wounding players by the GMs?

I have always thought this was stupid, and why'd he kill Maleek again? Did he replace the chrism gem? Or Maleeks deed, and the extra death's sting?

[Khariz]

Pretty stupid I think. Especially when you can 'abuse' getting exp just as easily by having a warrior in full plate go around with empath following and 'let' him get hit by whatever hes hunting.

And what about invasions? Are they going to turn off exp gain for clerics and empaths during invasions now since its purposefully wounding players by the GMs?

I have always thought this was stupid, and why'd he kill Maleek again? Did he replace the chrism gem? Or Maleeks deed, and the extra death's sting?

I asked for the gem back. He just sent me back down.

[Sthrockmorton]

They OBVIOUSLY DIDNT kill Maleek for the healing/rezzing exp.

Seriously, as a GM, you have to look a tiny bit deeper into the situation, and not just at the "face" value.

[Anebriated]

GemStone IV Staff Openings - We are desperate!

[AestheticDeath]

You should contact feedback and demand they give the gem back!*&^@

[Khariz]

You should contact feedback and demand they give the gem back!*&^@

LOL.

Yo Antavian, gimme a uncut diamond that's orb quality. I got jacked.

Kthxbai,

Darc

[Khariz]

GM Xxxxx whispers, "Your chrism wasn't refunded because Maleek bled out. He wasn't killed."

GM Xxxxx whispers, "In reference to the previous discussion in the Consultation Lounge. There was a request about a chrism gem replacement. It was not replaced due to the fact that it was used, and properly, with the proper effects. Maleek's bleeder allowed him to bleed out in the Lounge. I did not kill him."

[Bobmuhthol]

Letting someone bleed to death while they're in the consultation lounge under orders suggests that the GM is a motherfucking idiot.

[AestheticDeath]

the gem was used to raise him before he died in the lounge yeah?

i am confused. and you had all your exp taken from the raise with the chrism gem...

[Silent_Willy]

Send a letter to Feedback. That GM just said you used the Chrism properly, and you had XP TAKEN from you. Get the XP and the gem back.

[Warriorbird]

SGM referral for the dude who bled out. I'd have been all over it. Even if it never gets answered they look bad because you demanded one on their time.

[AestheticDeath]

I just get tired of all the little shit. You could go sit in TSC and get as much or more exp than you would on the boulder.

Its not like your power leveling by healing/rezzing duelers.

[Khariz]

I just get tired of all the little shit. You could go sit in TSC and get as much or more exp than you would on the boulder.

Its not like your power leveling by healing/rezzing duelers.

I know how it probably looked to the GM. I killed the guy (well Michaelous did after I whittled him down to death), and then a few mins later, I logged on my cleric and rezzed the guy.

But honestly, he was just lying there rotting and nobody was getting him up. I never rez people that my other characters kill. This was the exception to that rule (I guess not, since I didn't technically kill him). But that empath? Shit. He had been healing people at the boulder for hours when this happened.

I dunno. The whole situation is stupid.

[Michaelous]

dear gs,
please get some gms who know how to read

"In general, Simutronics will not get involved in any player vs. player conflict which is confined to a small group of players" -policy4

[Some Rogue]

dear gs,
please get some gms who know how to read

"In general, Simutronics will not get involved in any player vs. player conflict which is confined to a small group of players" -policy4

I know you can't help it, but don't be stupid. First, it says "in general" meaing there are exceptions. Guess what. Mechanics abuse is an exception. Second, do you think they'd let unconsented pvp go on? Nope, that's another exception.
:club:

[Tea & Strumpets]

I think the GM's an idiot with a bug up his ass about CvC. Why did you block out the name, you giant poontang?

[Stanley Burrell]

Should've challenged the GM. Maybe've used them nifty dualing gauntlets all the while.

[Celephais]

I think this is bullshit... if they want to stop the abuse, take it out of the game, it would be pretty damn simple for them to be able to remove exp granted for healing or raising based on wounds caused by PCs.

It's just as simple, if not simpler, to have your character "accidently" die to critters instead of PvPing them.

I'm in the bug up GMs ass camp... wow.

[Khariz]

I know you can't help it, but don't be stupid. First, it says "in general" meaing there are exceptions. Guess what. Mechanics abuse is an exception. Second, do you think they'd let unconsented pvp go on? Nope, that's another exception.
:club:

Except that it was consensual CvC with an impossibility to use the CHALLENGE verb in this case. We were doing a 2 v 1. There are no game mechanics to allow this. The GM basically said "Oh well, then I suggest not doing that or random empaths and clerics might get in trouble for Game Mechanics Abuse".

[Celephais]

Oh man, I can't wait to get empaths I hate in trouble by consenting in CvC, then running into TSC and asking for healing.

[Some Rogue]

Except that it was consensual CvC with an impossibility to use the CHALLENGE verb in this case. We were doing a 2 v 1. There are no game mechanics to allow this. The GM basically said "Oh well, then I suggest not doing that or random empaths and clerics might get in trouble for Game Mechanics Abuse".


Then use herbs or don't kill each other and if you die, take the decay.

There was a thread on here awhile back about a free for all and a group trying to get it to be a regular thing or make a PRO out of it and it was stated then that the participants couldn't be healed by empaths. Or, you can use this as another reason to lobby for an arena type area that is undraggable and unfoggable and where no experience is gained.

[Kyrandos]

Yeah...that was the most amazing part to me. Maybe it was because I used a Chrism gem to raise him?

That crap was actually unfathomably retarded to me. Sad to see the GM's still act like their shit is made of jewels.

[Gan]

I also vote retardedness on the GM's part.

And the GM's name should be revealed.

[Khariz]

Fine, it was GM Ikaan.

[Khariz]

Then use herbs or don't kill each other and if you die, take the decay.

There was a thread on here awhile back about a free for all and a group trying to get it to be a regular thing or make a PRO out of it and it was stated then that the participants couldn't be healed by empaths. Or, you can use this as another reason to lobby for an arena type area that is undraggable and unfoggable and where no experience is gained.

That's cool with me. I woulda been perfectly content letting the guy lie there and rot. I figured it was an asshole thing to do seeing as how I just participated in killing him though.

We waited for about 10 mins, and when no cleric showed up, I whispered to him and offered help since it didn't look like anyone was coming. The situation here was much different then that of empaths and clerics on standby.

[Michaelous]

I know you can't help it, but don't be stupid. First, it says "in general" meaing there are exceptions. Guess what. Mechanics abuse is an exception. Second, do you think they'd let unconsented pvp go on? Nope, that's another exception.
:club:

1. all the people who got pulled except 2 didnt engage in any mechanics abuse. and the ones that did, didnt even know it.
2. We were at the boulder I.E. all consenting

The boulder was the only place in elanthia that i know of , that was a safe haven for duelers and cvc, now they wanna get rid of that too. they should just make it so the boulder doesnt give expereince or raise, also thats BS when the gm says there are no mechanics for free for alls and 2 vs 1's. there is a filter on all inuries made by cvc that prompts the empath that there will be no experience gain before they begin healing. they should make something similiar for clerics.

Seriously i know alot of gms dont like cvc but they need to face that fact that it is part of the game and just leave us the fuck alone!

[Kyrandos]

That's cool with me. I woulda been perfectly content letting the guy lie there and rot. I figured it was an asshole thing to do seeing as how I just participated in killing him though.

We waited for about 10 mins, and when no cleric showed up, I whispered to him and offered help since it didn't look like anyone was coming. The situation here was much different then that of empaths and clerics on standby.

That's just the problem in my opinion. It's another one of those rules that are there, but simu doesnt bother to tell you about it. I caught a lot of aggression in the post I made about the disarming issue, but these two issues are linked in that it is difficult or impossible, especially for non-hardcore players, to find the rules. It's even harder to identify actions in the game where there MIGHT be hidden rules. You've got something in the game made specifically for people to pvp at.. who the hell really thinks to check and see if its legal to resurrect people there? That's just not how people play the game. Clerics see dead, they raise them. Simple as that. Hell, that rule actually makes it fairly hard to roleplay NOT resurrecting the fallen for some good characters.

Further down the rope, I take extreme issue with the GM behavior. I used to see all sorts of the GM's treating people like meat, and being general fuckwads back when I was playing gemstone on AOL. I didn't think much of it then because hey, lets face it, I wasn't paying for the game and it was a lot better than free form roleplaying in the AOL chatrooms. NOw, however, I'm giving these guys 15 bucks a month to play a text based game. I expect better service from a product. And that's just it, simu, despite moving to this play.net scheme, still views itself as an elite little niche of a thing that frankly barely costs them a dime to run, yet has a solid paying fan base. They dont see themselves as a real business, which is why they make ZERO attempt to market, and 0 attempt to even be cordial to the customer.

Ironically, the only simu person whose ever spoken to me like he actually WANTS my money is the dude I talked to over the phone when I was reactivating my account. Ironically, he hasn't played gemstone in 7 or 8 years.

[Gan]

double post

delete option is your friend.

[Kainen]

There was a thread on here awhile back about a free for all and a group trying to get it to be a regular thing or make a PRO out of it and it was stated then that the participants couldn't be healed by empaths. Or, you can use this as another reason to lobby for an arena type area that is undraggable and unfoggable and where no experience is gained.

Yeah Akari was trying to get that going.. then I waved WoW in front of him.. were you get prizes for killing people. :lol:

[Latrinsorm]

there is a filter on all inuries made by cvc that prompts the empath that there will be no experience gain before they begin healing.This is incorrect. (I think it's a sign I've been grading for too long when I felt like putting -1/2 next to this remark. :()
It's another one of those rules that are there, but simu doesnt bother to tell you about it.This particular rule is stated explicitly in policy (under bug abuse). Anyone who's been around 14 years would know about that, right? :) "repeatedly injuring yourself (or another character) in order to generate experience for an empath or cleric". It so happens in this case that the GM's interpretation of the situation was incorrect, but the rule is publicly available.

[Kyrandos]

Anyone who's been around 14 years would know about that, right? :)

Are you seriously going to pick a fight with me in this thread?

For the record, and just to remedy a little of your ignorance, I have 'been around' for something like 15 years, and it has been off and on, MOSTLY off ever since the play.net thing kicked off.

I really could give a shit about convincing you of the matter. If you'd like to call me a liar like the millions of pretenders you guys claim to have on these forums, that's just fucking dandy. Just get it through your fucking skull, if I ask a fucking non-rhetorical question, I DONT FUCKING KNOW THE ANSWER, THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING IT. No matter how long I've been around.

[Kyrandos]

"repeatedly injuring yourself (or another character) in order to generate experience for an empath or cleric".


And btw, I am familiar with said rule, and was not aware that it applied to the situation simutronics BUILT to facilitate its abuse.

Building a dueling square and then expecting everyone to know to depart without actually telling them.. yeah that seems logical of simu.

The issue in this thread did not have a person repeatedly injuring themselves, which seems to be at the very core of the rule. It did not have anyone abusing game mechanics. It didnt even have an on site healer or rezzer standing by waiting for casualties. I just flat out fail to see how it is abusing a system. I can see how it could easily LEAD and FACILITATE abuse, but, personally, I have always seen a lot wrong with sticking a golden apple into paradise on earth, and to do so in a video game is even more assinine.

[Methais]

Ikaan is a nub.

Next time though, after the empath heals you, someone kill the empath so he loses his exp bucket. Then when the cleric raises you, kill him and take his exp bucket. Then kill the empath that heals the cleric, then kill the cleric that raises the cleric, etc.

Do this until a GM pulls you, and you can make him feel dumb by explaining the cycle to him.

[Danical]

Are you seriously going to pick a fight with me in this thread?

For the record, and just to remedy a little of your ignorance, I have 'been around' for something like 15 years, and it has been off and on, MOSTLY off ever since the play.net thing kicked off.

I really could give a shit about convincing you of the matter. If you'd like to call me a liar like the millions of pretenders you guys claim to have on these forums, that's just fucking dandy. Just get it through your fucking skull, if I ask a fucking non-rhetorical question, I DONT FUCKING KNOW THE ANSWER, THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING IT. No matter how long I've been around.

woah, Woah, WOAH. Calm the fuck down. He's not "picking a fight," so much as poking fun.

If he was picking a fight he would probably donkey punch your sister, AM I RIGHT?!?!!

[Methais]

Are you seriously going to pick a fight with me in this thread?

For the record, and just to remedy a little of your ignorance, I have 'been around' for something like 15 years, and it has been off and on, MOSTLY off ever since the play.net thing kicked off.

I really could give a shit about convincing you of the matter. If you'd like to call me a liar like the millions of pretenders you guys claim to have on these forums, that's just fucking dandy. Just get it through your fucking skull, if I ask a fucking non-rhetorical question, I DONT FUCKING KNOW THE ANSWER, THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING IT. No matter how long I've been around.

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[TheEschaton]

Building a dueling square and then expecting everyone to know to depart without actually telling them.. yeah that seems logical of simu.


The top of the boulder was never built as a dueling square. It was built as a resting spot (which is what it was when I started playing a mere 12 years ago), and players took it over as a dueling spot.....






....but of course, you would have known that, had you been playing 14 years and made it past hobgoblins.

[Methais]

It only got taken over as a dueling spot because they ran everyone out of the dinghy, which was the old dueling spot.

EDIT: And he's been playing for 15 years now, not 14. GET IT RIGHT!!!1

[RichardCranium]

You've got something in the game made specifically for people to pvp at.. who the hell really thinks to check and see if its legal to resurrect people there?

Wrong. People used to duel at the dinghy but were ran out of it so they moved to the boulder. Neither were built to facilitate CvC or PvP.




And btw, I am familiar with said rule, and was not aware that it applied to the situation simutronics BUILT to facilitate its abuse.

Building a dueling square and then expecting everyone to know to depart without actually telling them.. yeah that seems logical of simu.

See above.

[Warriorbird]

Kyrandos. Since 1992.

[Gan]

It only got taken over as a dueling spot because they ran everyone out of the dinghy, which was the old dueling spot.

EDIT: And he's been playing for 15 years now, not 14. GET IT RIGHT!!!1

I remember dueling, and watching dueling, at the dinghy as a noob. But I've only been playing for almost 10 years. :(

[Latrinsorm]

Are you seriously going to pick a fight with me in this thread?Are you seriously that touchy? :D
Building a dueling square and then expecting everyone to know to depart without actually telling them.. yeah that seems logical of simu.Ignorance of the law is never an excuse.
The issue in this threadAs I said, the GM interpreted the rule incorrectly. This does not affect whether the rule is hidden away somewhere in St. Louis: it's still publicly available.

[Kyrandos]

The top of the boulder was never built as a dueling square. It was built as a resting spot (which is what it was when I started playing a mere 12 years ago), and players took it over as a dueling spot.....






....but of course, you would have known that, had you been playing 14 years and made it past hobgoblins.


Now I know what boulder yer all talking about. I did know that, I just didn't know I knew that.

[Celephais]

Now I know what boulder yer all talking about. I did know that, I just didn't know I knew that.
You've got to be shitting me.

[Kyrandos]

Are you seriously that touchy? :DIgnorance of the law is never an excuse.As I said, the GM interpreted the rule incorrectly. This does not affect whether the rule is hidden away somewhere in St. Louis: it's still publicly available.

That's what it all comes down to, isn't it? I'm not saying it's a stupid rule, or that it shouldnt be obeyed because it's a difficult rule to find, I was expressing my anger at the fact that the rule IS as difficult as it is to find.

I never argued the legitimacy of the rule, or questioned the integrity of the rule.

If a GM is going to pull people out of the game into a non-rp environment, accuse them of intentionally abusing game mechanics, kill one of them, remove experience from another, and talk to them like they are nothing more than children on a playground who've been playing catch with some dog poop, then I can't help but find myself annoyed by that. Am I really the only one?


P.S. - I was far too busy starting fights in kobold village while hunting there to visit the dinghy.

[Kyrandos]

You've got to be shitting me.

Nope ;p

[CrystalTears]

Now I know what boulder yer all talking about. I did know that, I just didn't know I knew that.
:lol: How many dueling boulders are there?

[Stanley Burrell]

Out of sheer morbid curiousity, who is GM Ikaan?

What does he or she do mainly/responsible for game-wise? If anyone happens to know... Might explain their position better. Or not.

[Kyrandos]

:lol: How many dueling boulders are there?

Beats me, but I can think of more than one place in the game that could be considered a boulder, and I never knew dueling was pushed out of the dinghy over to another pre-existing room. Everyone kept saying 'dueling boulder' verbatim, and I mistakenly thought that they was a boulder put in the game specifically for people to duel at. Crazy me!

[Methais]

Ikaan's been around for a year or so I think. Only thing he's done that I know of is he was behind the whole triton storyline on Teras that opened up the temple whatever its name is.

The whole storyline was pretty meh, but at least it didn't last very long.

[Danical]

The whole storyline was pretty meh, but at least it didn't last very long.

I gave his NPC shit for being a coward and not defending the town he said he loved and whatnot.

When it came time to give out RPAs, just about everyone and their mother got one . . . oh, except me.

Whatever.