Rapist agrees to castration to reduce sentence

[RichardCranium]

Man who confessed to attacks could face life in prison without plea deal

PANAMA CITY, Fla. - A confessed rapist in Florida has agreed to be castrated in a plea deal that could reduce his prison sentence from a possible life sentence.

Bobby James Allen pleaded guilty Monday to three counts of armed sexual battery and various other charges involving attacks that happened in 1998 and 1999. Allen filed a motion requesting castration in exchange for a reduced sentence.

Circuit Judge Michael Overstreet agreed to sentence Allen to 25 years' prison on Sept. 20 if has the procedure in the next eight days. If Allen does not go through with the operation, he faces up to life in prison.

"You understand that this procedure is the removal of your testicles?" Overstreet asked Allen.

Allen said he wanted to be castrated, The News Herald reported Tuesday.

"I have spoken with all the victims," prosecutor Larry Basford told Overstreet. "They agree that this sentence punishes him and would deter him and others from similar acts."

Allen would be classified as a dangerous sexual offender and must serve every day of his 25-year sentence, prosecutors said.

[Sean of the Thread]

Lol.. all I can muster right now is LOL.

[Sthrockmorton]

You have the link to that article, by chance?

[RichardCranium]

You have the link to that article, by chance?

Here (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20730983/) you go.

[Sthrockmorton]

TY, great punishment for a rapist, in my opinion

[Rolis]

TY, great punishment for a rapist, in my opinion

screw it.. take his balls and give him life..

[Keller]

I am speechless.

[Sean of the Thread]

Lol he's gonna make a sweet bitch in prison for his reduced sentence tho. He'll prolly grow titties.

[Sthrockmorton]

screw it.. take his balls AND give him life..

I wouldn't argue

[Nieninque]

No anaesthetic please.

[TheEschaton]

This guy screwed himself. 3 armed battery charges aren't gonna get him life, he coulda reached a plea which probably would have given him 12-25 running concurrently for each one, and kept his balls. And have the possibility of parole.

But now he has to serve every single day of a 25 year sentence? I wonder who the hell his lawyer is?

[Drew]

Public defender most likely

[Stanley Burrell]

It would be kind of cool to keep 'em preserved in a glass jar with a bit of form-1 preservative.

Just like Dahmer.

Motherfucking Floridians. This is wrong. Rapists should be raped themselves, ideally, but not through a court system O.K. -- And I think lawyers are all tainted cocksuckers/vagina eaters: But this actually seems all too quick - A good thing, but, just, too different, too backwards.

[Gan]

No problem with removing them from me. Guaranteed he wont rape again.

[TheSmooth1]

Like someone said, he's gonna be a sad dude in prison. Can't even rape other men.

[Stanley Burrell]

No problem with removing them from me. Guaranteed he wont rape again.

Hadn't you recently been chastising the Iranian prison system for whip lashing?

Seriously, who was this dude's "lawyer"? They should've just needled him in the ass every morning with estrogen boosters.

Something about the whole process seems Dark Ages to me, like, in a bad way that outshadows the goodness...

Something :shrug:

[TheSmooth1]

Yeah, they should chop off every murderer's limbs. I'd like to see him kill someone then!!

Bad analogy?

[senorgordoburro]

I could see how this is a good punishment, but he can still take testosterone supplements, and he still has his dick. So, however unlikely it is, he still could rape again.

[Warriorbird]

If he honestly wanted it I think this is just fine.

[Sean of the Thread]

I could see how this is a good punishment, but he can still take testosterone supplements, and he still has his dick. So, however unlikely it is, he still could rape again.

I think taking/being rx'd testosterone supps negates the purpose.

[Shari]

Okay so maybe I am not too informed on how the male body works (highly likely) but they're cutting off his balls. Couldn't he technically still fuck something with a dick and no balls? I mean...those steroid-using porn stars seem to be able to pull it off.

My opinion? Cut it ALL off and make him piss out a little hole.

[TheEschaton]

The testicles are where testosterone is stored, and the presumption is that with no balls, you wouldn't be able to get it hard.

[DeV]

Good luck with being a eunich is all I can think of.

[Drew]

The testicles are where testosterone is stored, and the presumption is that with no balls, you wouldn't be able to get it hard.


This isn't necessarily true. The penis can still become erect, there are numerous eunuchs throughout history who had "sex" in this manner. Generally though the desire isn't there, and there's no "ending" if they were castrated before puberty.

[Drew]

Speaking of eunuchs, I have an mp3 of the only known castrati to ever make a solo recording of his singing (Alessandro Moreschi). It's him singing Ave Maria in 1904 so the quality is rather low, and it's very bizarre. His voice is not like that of a young boys, and not like that of a woman. I can't really put words to it exactly, but it's understandable how castrati were considered some of the most important singers for several hundred years, it's a soprano sound not like anything heard today.

[Sean of the Thread]

Why am I not surprised that you have that in your collection.

Spent a bit reading up on him. Pretty interesting.. and listened to a crappy recording as well. Sounds like he sucks to me but one has to remember that he is like 45 years old in this recording.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Alessandro_Moreschi.ogg

[thefarmer]

If he honestly wanted it I think this is just fine.

This is the crux of the issue to me.

Did he suggest this without regards to his sentencing because he really felt he deserved this or did the State suggest this as a way to make headlines/re-election on the 'I castrate Rapists' slogan?

Did his layer tell him this was his only way to avoid life in prison and was this actually the case?

If he came up with this because he felt he needed it, and not to avoid a particular prison sentence, then he should go ahead and get it. If not, then someone needs to step in and say "No".

[Gan]

Hadn't you recently been chastising the Iranian prison system for whip lashing?
Nope. Dont believe I have ever chastised the Iranian prison system. And if I had, it would have been for punishment metted out by the prison system after the person was convicted and given his sentence/punishment.

Huge difference from voluntary castration as part of the sentence/punishment. Not that I would expect you to understand anything about sentences, punishment, and incarceration principals.

[Gan]

Yeah, they should chop off every murderer's limbs. I'd like to see him kill someone then!!

Bad analogy?

Applicable if and only if the convicted volunteers for such treatment as part of his sentence (reduction).

[Gan]

Speaking of eunuchs, I have an mp3 of the only known castrati to ever make a solo recording of his singing (Alessandro Moreschi). It's him singing Ave Maria in 1904 so the quality is rather low, and it's very bizarre. His voice is not like that of a young boys, and not like that of a woman. I can't really put words to it exactly, but it's understandable how castrati were considered some of the most important singers for several hundred years, it's a soprano sound not like anything heard today.

I have a cassette somewhere of that recording as part of my music appreciation class material as an undergrad. Bad recording and the guy's voice sounded a lot like Tiny Tim. Kinda creepy.

[Gan]

This is the crux of the issue to me.

Did he suggest this without regards to his sentencing because he really felt he deserved this or did the State suggest this as a way to make headlines/re-election on the 'I castrate Rapists' slogan?

Did his layer tell him this was his only way to avoid life in prison and was this actually the case?

If he came up with this because he felt he needed it, and not to avoid a particular prison sentence, then he should go ahead and get it. If not, then someone needs to step in and say "No".

I'm understanding this as a voluntary recommendation by the convicted. I would like some clarification on this as this isnt the only time this issue has arisen in our justice system.

[Gan]

Some more info on castration:

Temporary Chemical Castration as used in sentencing.


According to Jeffrey Kirchmeier (http://www.law.cuny.edu/app/faculty/faculty_detail.jsp?name=Kirchmeier%2C+Jeffrey+L.), at least six states have experimented with chemical castration laws in the United States. Those states are California (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California), Florida (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida), Georgia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_%28U.S._state%29), Texas (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas), Louisiana (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louisiana), and Montana (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montana). California was the first state to use chemical castration as a punishment for sex offenders. In California, judges may require first-time offenders to undergo chemical castration. After a second offense treatment is mandatory.[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemical_castration#_note-0)[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemical_castration#_note-1) In Iowa and Florida chemical castration is available in all cases involving serious sex offenses. As in California treatment is mandatory after a second offense. [3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemical_castration#_note-2)[4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemical_castration#_note-3)[5] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemical_castration#_note-4)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemical_castration

Castration: not a very good reference to castration as a means of sentence reduction in today's judicial system. I'll look more later.


Ancient Greek writings report Persian forces castrating defeated foes. Tamerlane (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tamerlane) was recorded to have castrated Armenian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenia) prisoners of war who had fought as allies of the Ottoman Sultan Bayezid I, while others were buried alive.[citation needed (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citing_sources)]Edward Gibbon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Gibbon)'s famous work Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire reports castration of defeated foes at the hands of the Normans (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normans). Castration has also been used in modern conflicts, as the Janjaweed (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janjaweed) militiamen currently (as of 2005 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005)) attacking citizens of the Darfur (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darfur) region in Sudan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sudan), often castrating villagers and leaving them to bleed to death [5] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castration#_note-4).
Sima Qian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sima_Qian), the famous Chinese Historian, was castrated by order of the Emperor of China for dissent. Another famous victim of castration was the medieval French philosopher, scholar, teacher, and (later) monk Pierre Abélard (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_Ab%C3%A9lard), castrated by relatives of his lover, Héloïse (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heloise_%28student_of_Abelard%29).
A further famous castration victim was Bishop Wimund (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wimund_%28bishop%29), a 12th Century English adventurer and invader of the Scottish coast.
When Zheng He (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zheng_He) was captured by the Ming Army as a child in 1381 he was castrated.
A temporary chemical castration has been studied and developed as a preventive measure and punishment (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punishment) for several repeated sex crimes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_crime) such as rape (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape) or other sexually related violence (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_assault).[6] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castration#_note-5)[7] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castration#_note-6) Chemical castration was Alan Turing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Turing)'s punishment when he was convicted of "acts of gross indecency" in 1952; it resulted indirectly in his suicide (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide).
Physical castration is highly effective as, historically, it results in a 20-year re-offense rate of less than 2.2%[citation needed (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citing_sources)], much lower than what was otherwise expected. Compare to overall sex offender recidivism rates (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_offender#Recidivism_rates).
Involuntary castration also appears in the history of warfare, sometimes used by one side to torture or demoralize their enemies. It was also practiced to extinguish opposing male lineages and thus allow the victor to possess the defeated men's women. Involuntary castration under such circumstances involved excruciating pain and humiliation as well as various physical, social, and psychological consequences.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castration#As_punishment

[Stanley Burrell]

Hadn't you recently been chastising the Iranian prison system for whip lashing?


Nope. Dont believe I have ever chastised the Iranian prison system. And if I had, it would have been for punishment metted out by the prison system after the person was convicted and given his sentence/punishment.

Huge difference from voluntary castration as part of the sentence/punishment. Not that I would expect you to understand anything about sentences, punishment, and incarceration principals.

To me it looked like, for lack of a better and more appropriate term, that the individual was "imprisoned." Just not by Western standards.

Unlike you; I've never worked security at the mall, so I can't really compete with your intricate knowledge of sentences, punishment, incarceration, the judicial system, etc. I bow down your supreme condescending intellect.

P.S. I'm all for going Iranian whiplashing on convicted rapists. I'm sure they've surpassed most of our judiciary committees in that respect.

[Gan]

To me it looked like, for lack of a better and more appropriate term, that the individual was "imprisoned." Just not by Western standards.
Reading comprehension is your friend. Use it.


Unlike you; I've never worked security at the mall, so I can't really compete with your intricate knowledge of sentences, punishment, incarceration, the judicial system, etc. I bow down your supreme condescending intellect.
LOL mall security. Perhaps thats something you can aspire to in your next life since your drug habit will probably prevent you from passing even the most simple screening tests for anything remotely relating to real law enforcement in this life. Freakshow.

[Stanley Burrell]

Reading comprehension is your friend. Use it.

LOL mall security. Perhaps thats something you can aspire to in your next life since your drug habit will probably prevent you from passing even the most simple screening tests for anything remotely relating to real law enforcement in this life. Freakshow.

Least I didn't work no Goddamn mall security. Sheesh.

[Gan]

Least I didn't work no Goddamn mall security. Sheesh.

Neither did I dicknose.

[Stanley Burrell]

Neither did I dicknose.

Dicknoses aside,

Shanah Tovah and Happy Yom Tov.

[Sean of the Thread]

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