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UNION CITY, Ga. (AP) -- A McDonald's employee spent a night in jail and is facing criminal charges because a police officer's burger was too salty, so salty that he says it made him sick.
Kendra Bull was arrested Friday, charged with misdemeanor reckless conduct and freed on $1,000 bail.
Bull, 20, said she accidentally spilled salt on hamburger meat and told her supervisor and a co-worker, who "tried to thump the salt off."
On her break, she ate a burger made with the salty meat. "It didn't make me sick," Bull told the Atlanta Journal-Constitution.
But then Police Officer Wendell Adams got a burger made with the oversalted meat, and he returned a short time later and told the manager it made him sick.
Bull admitted spilling salt on the meat, and Adams took her outside and questioned her, she said.
"If it was too salty, why did (Adams) not take one bite and throw it away?" said Bull, who has worked at the restaurant for five months. She said she didn't know a police officer got one of the salty burgers because she couldn't see the drive-through window from her work area.
Police said samples of the burger to the state crime lab for tests.
City public information officer George Louth said Bull was charged because she served the burger "without regards to the well-being of anyone who might consume it."
http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/070910/odd_salty_burger.html?.v=1
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This is fucking retarded.
CrystalTears
09-10-2007, 10:48 AM
WTF. It wasn't even deliberate and told her supervisor when it happened. What bullshit.
Trouble
09-10-2007, 10:50 AM
Yeah I heard about that on CNNHN this morning too. I'm glad they busted her for it. It's not like she couldn't just trash the burger if she fucked it up while preparing it. I know it's all about you get what you pay for, but I'm sick of shit I get at places like McFood being all sloppy or otherwise poorly prepared.
Stanley Burrell
09-10-2007, 10:52 AM
Fuck hamburger meat that isn't fresh off the barby.
CrystalTears
09-10-2007, 10:57 AM
Yeah I heard about that on CNNHN this morning too. I'm glad they busted her for it. It's not like she couldn't just trash the burger if she fucked it up while preparing it. I know it's all about you get what you pay for, but I'm sick of shit I get at places like McFood being all sloppy or otherwise poorly prepared.
Get her in trouble is one thing. Jail her? Especially when she told her supervisor about it? Why didn't they trash it? I just think this is a bit too much over a McDonald's hamburger.
Yeah I heard about that on CNNHN this morning too. I'm glad they busted her for it. It's not like she couldn't just trash the burger if she fucked it up while preparing it. I know it's all about you get what you pay for, but I'm sick of shit I get at places like McFood being all sloppy or otherwise poorly prepared.
You're right, everyone who does not do their work properly should be arrested/jailed.
Trouble
09-10-2007, 10:58 AM
Get her in trouble is one thing. Jail her? Especially when she told her supervisor about it? Why didn't they trash it? I just think this is a bit too much over a McDonald's hamburger.
Ok I 'll agree there. Jail is a bit much. Now that I think about it, they should have filed charges against the supervisor too/instead.
Bottom line, its the supervisor's responsibility. The buck stops there.
Ilvane
09-10-2007, 11:01 AM
For a salted burger?
Get over it! If it was too salty, don't eat it.
I mean, looks like the cop wants to retire of his fat lawsuit for a burger that was too salty for him.
Angela
It's because he's a police officer. That's the only reason I can conceive of why this woman was jailed in the first place.
"Police said samples of the burger to the state crime lab for tests."
^ Give me a fucking break. What's next, attempted murder charges.
The Ponzzz
09-10-2007, 11:37 AM
It's because he's a police officer. That's the only reason I can conceive of why this woman was jailed in the first place.
"Police said samples of the burger to the state crime lab for tests."
^ Give me a fucking break. What's next, attempted murder charges.
If that's the case, McDonald's employees would be arrested every day. Same with tobacco companies.
See I'm glad she got arrested and made national news just so that cop gets to look like a fucking asshat.
Tolwynn
09-10-2007, 11:58 AM
I think the police officer in question should be subjected to careful performance review and jailed the moment he makes a single mistake of any sort - unless, of course, fast food prep should be held to that much higher standards than law enforcement.
Clove
09-10-2007, 12:00 PM
I think the police officer in question should be subjected to careful performance review and jailed the moment he makes a single mistake of any sort - unless, of course, fast food prep should be held to that much higher standards than law enforcement.
Actually that would be neat justice. On the otherhand, he's not very bright unless he intends on not eating at McDonald's ever again. If I have my guess let's just say too much salt on his McMeal will be the least of his concerns from now on
Khariz
09-10-2007, 12:01 PM
Actually that would be neat justice. On the otherhand, he's not very bright unless he intends on not eating at McDonald's ever again. If I have my guess let's just say too much salt on his McMeal will be the least of his concerns from now on
I bet he gets special sauce on his next burger.
Nieninque
09-10-2007, 12:03 PM
Stupid fucker.
The Ponzzz
09-10-2007, 12:18 PM
This is the biggest cardinal rule with the food/restaurant industry...
"Do not fuck with those that handle your food."
If I were him, I'd never go out to eat again in areas that he is known...
This is the biggest cardinal rule with the food/restaurant industry...
"Do not fuck with those that handle your food."
If I were him, I'd never go out to eat again in areas that he is known...
ROFL
Word.
(I hate little man with a badge symdrome)
Drinin
09-10-2007, 12:35 PM
Shit, I did far worse when I worked at McD's when I was 16. I remember melting toys in the deep fryer, putting double the patties on the grill (which often resulted in a few undercooked ones), among other shit.
And don't ever ask for 'extra' anything. Anytime I got an extra ketchup/mayo/whatever order we'd just put so much ketchup on the damn sandwich that you couldn't pick it up without it oozing out all over.
Man, we were such assholes.
If that's the case, McDonald's employees would be arrested every day. Same with tobacco companies.
See I'm glad she got arrested and made national news just so that cop gets to look like a fucking asshat.
In this particular case, she was arresed because he was a police officer. That's the only point I'm trying to make, nothing more, nothing less.
I imagine had he gone inside the exchange would have gone like:
Farva: Give me a double bacon cheeseburger.
Dimpus Burger Guy: [into mic] Double baco cheeseburger. It's for a cop.
Farva: What the hell's that all about? You gonna spit in it now?
Dimpus Burger Guy: No, I just told him that so he makes it good.
[into mic]
Dimpus Burger Guy: Don't spit in that cop's burger.
Farva: Yeah, thanks.
Second Dimpus Guy: Roger, holding the spit.
Farva: Gimme a pie... apple.
Dimpus Burger Guy: Want me to hold the spit? Hah, just kidding officer Farva.
[pause]
Dimpus Burger Guy: Want me to dimpa-size your meal for 25 cents?
Farva: Want me to punch-a-size your face, for free?
Dimpus Burger Guy: It's only 25 cents, and look how much more you get.
Thorny: Look, kid, he doesn't want it.
Farva: I can handle this, Thorn. I don't want it!
Dimpus Burger Guy: Uhh, right. Beverage?
Farva: Gimme a litre o' cola.
Dimpus Burger Guy: What?
Farva: [Annoyed] A litre o' cola.
Dimpus Burger Guy: [into mic] Litrecola? Do we sell litrecola?
Thorny: Will you just order a large, Farva?
Farva: I don't want a large farva. I want a goddamn litre o' cola!
Dimpus Burger Guy: [to Farva] I don't know what that is!
Farva: [slowly starts shouting] Litre is French for...
[grabs burger kid by shirt]
Farva: ... give me my fuckin' cola before I break VOUS FUCKIN' LIP!
Clove
09-10-2007, 02:09 PM
In this particular case, she was arresed because he was a police officer. That's the only point I'm trying to make, nothing more, nothing less.
Well no kidding. I don't think she'd have gone along with a citizen's arrest. :yes:
The Ponzzz
09-10-2007, 02:25 PM
In this particular case, she was arresed because he was a police officer. That's the only point I'm trying to make, nothing more, nothing less.
Sorry if my tone didn't come off well, but I was agreeing with you.
Well no kidding. I don't think she'd have gone along with a citizen's arrest. :yes:Yeah, that's wasn't my point.
A regular citizen could make the same complaint in store and nothing like this would come of it.
I don't think I was making myself clear at firist, but I doubt this would be the route most cops would take when it comes to receiving less than quality food service either.
It's kind of like ordering a sprite and discovering it's nothing more than selzter water because an employe failed to refill the machine, except you don't find this out until you've driven all the way home. It sucks, but shit happens.
No more explaining myself further. :rtfm:
Sorry if my tone didn't come off well, but I was agreeing with you.My bad, Ponzzz.
Clove
09-10-2007, 02:45 PM
Yeah, that's wasn't my point.
A regular citizen could make the same complaint in store and nothing like this would come of it.
I don't think I was making myself clear at firist, but I doubt this would be the route most cops would take when it comes to receiving less than quality food service either.
It's kind of like ordering a sprite and discovering it's nothing more than selzter water because an employe failed to refill the machine, except you don't find this out until you've driven all the way home. It sucks, but shit happens.
No more explaining myself further. :rtfm:
You don't need to explain yourself further. You may need a Midol and a Reeses though. Ever hear of a JOKE.
Methais
09-10-2007, 02:53 PM
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You don't need to explain yourself further. You may need a Midol and a Reeses though. Ever hear of a JOKE.
You may be right, so take my advice and fuck off for about a week.
I'm not in the mood for jokes today.
Clove
09-10-2007, 03:02 PM
You may be right, so take my advice and fuck off for about a week.
I'm not in the mood for jokes today.
People who don't like loud music should stay away from the rock concert.
Exactly. A week isn't too much to ask for either. :)
Blazing247
09-10-2007, 03:14 PM
This may be a surprise for some, but many people don't like/respect Ofc's of the law and take it out in odd ways. An overreacting idiot is what he is, but I'm sure he suspected she added salt and who know what else on purpose and reacted as such. Now he looks like an idiot, and that McD's looks fucking incompetent. If SHE knew it had too much salt, why would she let it go out instead of taking another 15 seconds, and same with her manager. Basically everyone involved in thise case looks idiotic.
CrystalTears
09-10-2007, 03:17 PM
Apparently it wasn't just A burger, it must have affected a few because she ate one of the salty burgers on her break and was fine.
Clove
09-10-2007, 03:20 PM
Exactly. A week isn't too much to ask for either. :)
My apologies, I'll resume after Yom Kippur. Better safe than sorry :P
Clove
09-10-2007, 03:21 PM
Apparently it wasn't just A burger, it must have affected a few because she ate one of the salty burgers on her break and was fine.
Well his burger could have gotten more salt than hers, or hers might have gotten more salt knocked off. His burger may have been disgusting- but that isn't jail-worthy. Particularly when you consider how "special" his sauce will be from now on. He better stick with Wendy's, is all I'm saying.
Celephais
09-10-2007, 03:23 PM
Originally I read the title to mean a male employee over-salted the burger... gave it a salty injection.
This could warrant all of this, but it's pretty clear he's an idiot.
Blazing, re-read it, she got salt on a batch of meat, not a burger, told her manager, and the manager told her to continue using the meat anyway... instead of throwing out the big bag of meat. She didn't "let it go out" she was told to continue using it.
thefarmer
09-10-2007, 03:23 PM
Since we've recently had a black/white thing.. let's have a hispanic/white thing.
I'm sure we can all argue past however many posts the Jenna 6 thread had...
Shalla
09-10-2007, 03:24 PM
It should've been a case against Management/Mcdonalds instead of the girl. She's in the company premises and clocked in at the time. Her carelessness happened while on the job. Shouldn't he be suing Mcdonalds?
Blazing247
09-10-2007, 03:25 PM
Well his burger could have gotten more salt than hers, or hers might have gotten more salt knocked off. His burger may have been disgusting- but that isn't jail-worthy. Particularly when you consider how "special" his sauce will be from now on. He better stick with Wendy's, is all I'm saying.
Yes, salt is no reason to take someone in. But foreign objects and/or bodily fluid would be. And also, DUH, Wendy's is far, far better than McD's.
CrystalTears
09-10-2007, 03:25 PM
Since we've recently had a black/white thing.. let's have a hispanic/white thing.
I'm sure we can all argue past however many posts the Jenna 6 thread had...
Um, okay? Is this a white/hispanic thing?
CrystalTears
09-10-2007, 03:26 PM
Shouldn't he be suing Mcdonalds?
For a salty burger? Are you for real?
Anyway, I'm pretty sure no fast food burger joint is going to be accommodating to this cop. He's getting a lot of special sauce all around.
thefarmer
09-10-2007, 03:27 PM
I don't know either way, really.
It was more sarcasm than anything.
Celephais
09-10-2007, 03:29 PM
It should've been a case against Management/Mcdonalds instead of the girl. She's in the company premises and clocked in at the time. Her carelessness happened while on the job. Shouldn't he be suing Mcdonalds?
I agree completely that it should be him against management (and potentially McDonalds if that's policy on accidents), but I don't think you can blanket that statement. If McDonalds hires an employee and they just snap one day and intentionally taint the space meat with radioactive chemicals and the meat kills all of the patrons, I don't thik the whole corporation should suffer thanks to the one idiot (Psych tests to work at McD's? That's idiotic).
http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u222/GuinnessKMF/meatmonster.jpg
Shalla
09-10-2007, 03:35 PM
For a salty burger? Are you for real?
Anyway, I'm pretty sure no fast food burger joint is going to be accommodating to this cop. He's getting a lot of special sauce all around.
He arrested her anyway when most of us would complain to management. He's claiming it was total disregard for health and safety. Since the employee was working at that time and it was Mcdonalds responsibility to train them with proper food preparation and safety.. Management/Mcdonalds should be the one responsible.. Any wrong doing commited by an employee while clocked in and on the premises is their responsibility. They should not have allowed her to go to jail and provided her with legal representation.
TheEschaton
09-10-2007, 03:43 PM
He didn't sue her. You don't go to JAIL when you get sued.
He ARRESTED her and charged her with a crime. Which, in our legal system, is an even more serious thing to hit a person with, and consequently, more ludicrous in this case.
Clove
09-10-2007, 03:46 PM
He didn't sue her. You don't go to JAIL when you get sued.
He ARRESTED her and charged her with a crime. Which, in our legal system, is an even more serious thing to hit a person with, and consequently, more ludicrous in this case.
Eloquent definition of civil vs. criminal. She isn't being sued and I'm not sure you can put McDonald's in jail. But it would be hilarious if they did (even just that one store).
Clove
09-10-2007, 03:48 PM
Yes, salt is no reason to take someone in. But foreign objects and/or bodily fluid would be. And also, DUH, Wendy's is far, far better than McD's.
Hey, if you put enough salt on the burger he'll never notice the body fluids or foreign objects... er...
CrystalTears
09-10-2007, 03:49 PM
He arrested her anyway when most of us would complain to management. He's claiming it was total disregard for health and safety. Since the employee was working at that time and it was Mcdonalds responsibility to train them with proper food preparation and safety.. Management/Mcdonalds should be the one responsible.. Any wrong doing commited by an employee while clocked in and on the premises is their responsibility. They should not have allowed her to go to jail and provided her with legal representation.
Yes but you suggested that he should sue McDonald's, which I think is still outrageous for a salty burger. Well I should say saltier since McD burgers are already salty.
Shalla
09-10-2007, 03:54 PM
I think they both lack consideration.
Methais
09-10-2007, 03:58 PM
I hope she sues the cop and the city after her case gets thrown out of court.
ROFL at the burger demon pic.
I hope the judge reams out the officer, and the officer's commander who approved the lockup. And I bet lawyers are camping out in her front yard for an chance to take the case for wrongful imprisonment.
And yes, the city better grab its ankles, this one will cost them plenty.
Tsa`ah
09-10-2007, 05:35 PM
ROFL at the burger demon pic.
I hope the judge reams out the officer, and the officer's commander who approved the lockup. And I bet lawyers are camping out in her front yard for an chance to take the case for wrongful imprisonment.
And yes, the city better grab its ankles, this one will cost them plenty.
On the flip side, if this doesn't happen and the employee is convicted I can see people registering their complaints against a business with the police rather than the business.
I'd be willing to put money down that if I went to McD's and called the cops because my burger was too salty they'd tell me to go pound salt...
I however would have pushed for an attempted murder charge!
Sean of the Thread
09-10-2007, 05:53 PM
At least she didn't get tasered.
AestheticDeath
09-10-2007, 06:44 PM
Several of you seem to think she spilled salt on his burger. From what I read, it sounds like they had a platter of ground meat and the salt got knocked over in it. Hence how she ate a burger with over-salted meat, and then how he got one as well.
Which means a lot more than just her and the cop got over-salted meat. How many other people have complained of getting sick?
Tsa`ah
09-10-2007, 07:00 PM
Several of you seem to think she spilled salt on his burger. From what I read, it sounds like they had a platter of ground meat and the salt got knocked over in it. Hence how she ate a burger with over-salted meat, and then how he got one as well.
Which means a lot more than just her and the cop got over-salted meat. How many other people have complained of getting sick?
If by platter of ground beef you mean stacks of frozen hockey pucks stored next to the grill in a cold box ... you're right.
Since they don't salt the burgers at any point, I'm assuming the slightly less capable employee handling the fries (almost always to the right hand side of the grill against the wall directly before the drive up area) dumped salt into the cold box next to the grill ... aside the platter of ground beef, ya I think you're right.
But I have to agree, if the cop was the only person to get sick, likely his burger had more salt on it and/or he was the only one dumb enough to eat enough of it to get sick.
The whole situation is retarded in any case.
Sean of the Thread
09-10-2007, 07:38 PM
Have you seen the normal amount of sodium on this shit? Insane.
http://www.mcdonalds.com/app_controller.nutrition.index1.html
Tsa`ah
09-10-2007, 07:43 PM
Anything from McDonald's will piss off your body.
Skeeter
09-10-2007, 10:51 PM
If by platter of ground beef you mean stacks of frozen hockey pucks stored next to the grill in a cold box ... you're right.
Since they don't salt the burgers at any point, I'm assuming the slightly less capable employee handling the fries (almost always to the right hand side of the grill against the wall directly before the drive up area) dumped salt into the cold box next to the grill ... aside the platter of ground beef, ya I think you're right.
I worked at McDs when I was 16 and we hit the patty one time on each side with the combo salt & pepper shaker. Though they may pre-salt now or something.
rest of your response reflects what we did.
Whimsi
09-11-2007, 02:07 AM
It was more sarcasm than anything.
Noone picked up on it because it wasn't in italics.
Gelston
09-11-2007, 05:35 AM
Maybe the cop thought it might be more than salt when he arrested her? Which is why the burger is currently in the crime lab for testing? He just got sick from a hamburger, she says it was salt, he doesn't believe her, this is what happens. I'll laugh if the burger comes back positive for fecal matter or some such.
Nieninque
09-11-2007, 06:32 AM
It's an abuse of power.
Tsa`ah
09-11-2007, 09:05 AM
I worked at McDs when I was 16 and we hit the patty one time on each side with the combo salt & pepper shaker. Though they may pre-salt now or something.
rest of your response reflects what we did.
We didn't have shakers of anything, they just went from box to grill to bun ... 1990.
Maybe the cop thought it might be more than salt when he arrested her? Which is why the burger is currently in the crime lab for testing? He just got sick from a hamburger, she says it was salt, he doesn't believe her, this is what happens. I'll laugh if the burger comes back positive for fecal matter or some such.
What the cop thought has no bearing since there's an order in which things are done.
The logical order would be send the burger in and wait for the results and then proceed if the burger is indeed tainted.
Not OMFG they fucked with my food because I'm a cop .... I'm arresting someone paranoid prick with a badge.
You don't arrest someone until you have evidence of some sort.
Gelston
09-11-2007, 09:26 AM
The Logical order? Look in past such examples, the lab isn't instant. Sometimes they'll wait, sometimes they'll book right away. What the cop "thought" has a lot of bearing, aka "probable cause"
CrystalTears
09-11-2007, 09:30 AM
Several McDonald's don't have the fries area anywhere near the burger grill. The grill tends to be in the middle of the back area and the fries are up near the drive thru.
Although the location of fries to burgers doesn't change the fact that salt was spilled and the cop felt the saltiness down to his vagina and felt the need to arrest her over it. The whole situation is supremely overdramatized.
Gil Grissom is gonna nail this bitch to the cross.
Tsa`ah
09-11-2007, 11:32 AM
The Logical order? Look in past such examples, the lab isn't instant. Sometimes they'll wait, sometimes they'll book right away. What the cop "thought" has a lot of bearing, aka "probable cause"
Your probable cause is pretty laughable. Past examples, if you're alluding to the special nachos for the cop at the Taco Bell drive though story, have shown action taken after lab results have come in.
Sthrockmorton
09-11-2007, 01:04 PM
It makes me happy that I don't remember the last time I ate McDonalds, or any other fattyfood place for that matter.
Clove
09-11-2007, 01:48 PM
Your probable cause is pretty laughable. Past examples, if you're alluding to the special nachos for the cop at the Taco Bell drive though story, have shown action taken after lab results have come in.
I agree with Tsa'ah the cop did a dickhed thing.
In Gelston's defense (recognizing I'm not a lawyer) my understanding of probable cause is that the officer must have reasonable suspicion that something criminal is occuring/has occurred. I suppose a local judge is the ultimate authority on how "reasonable" dickhead cop's suspicions were, but I don't think it's a big strech for a cop to suspect his incredibly shitty burger had been deliberately fucked with. Just a dickhead thing to do (not knowing what occured for certain).
I don't think the misdemeanor charge has a prayer of sticking, but I doubt any harm will come to the dickhead cop for making an arrest. Regardless if I were dickhead cop, I'd switch to bag lunches from now on.
**Edit**
I believe the FDA allows processed meat to contain a certain percentage of insect parts. Maybe the local fast foods will keep some "cockaroach spice" on hand for dickhead cop's future meals.
/**Edit**
Here's a copy of the police report.
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2007/0910071salt1.html
Narrative of report on page 2.
Celephais
09-11-2007, 02:06 PM
Here's a copy of the police report.
Arrested For Salting A Police Officer
hehehe...
He went to the fucking hospital!?!? What a douche. The whole pepper and salt all over the burger, lettuce and bun does sound like it could have been different than we suspect, and the report doesn't word it like she went to the manager and the manager told her to use it anyway (sounds like they had previously said "dont' waste" and she opted to keep this one on her own). Still... I would say it's along the lines over overketchuping a burger to the point of ruining it... you get a new one and let it drop.
Clove
09-11-2007, 02:15 PM
hehehe...
He went to the fucking hospital!?!? What a douche. The whole pepper and salt all over the burger, lettuce and bun does sound like it could have been different than we suspect, and the report doesn't word it like she went to the manager and the manager told her to use it anyway (sounds like they had previously said "dont' waste" and she opted to keep this one on her own). Still... I would say it's along the lines over overketchuping a burger to the point of ruining it... you get a new one and let it drop.
Yeah well the police report covers their ass enough for the arrest. But I'm sure I'm not alone here when I say that I've personally seen how ridiculously wrong police reports can be. Like I said, I don't think the misdemeanor will stand, but I don't think dickhead cop will be found for making an illegal arrest either.
Skeeter
09-11-2007, 02:23 PM
based on the police report it certainly sounds like it was done on purpose.
CrystalTears
09-11-2007, 02:31 PM
Of course from the cop's perspective it was on purpose. It doesn't mean it was. It would be stupid for him to state anything else on there. Have to be complete with the dickheadedness.
Celephais
09-11-2007, 02:32 PM
Of course from the cop's perspective it was on purpose. It doesn't mean it was. It would be stupid for him to state anything else on there. Have to be complete with the dickheadedness.
Wouldn't want to go about this half-cocked.
CrystalTears
09-11-2007, 02:34 PM
This is really the wrong week for me to be reading about burgers.
Clove
09-11-2007, 02:41 PM
Wouldn't want to go about this half-cocked.
Nice.
Clove
09-11-2007, 02:43 PM
based on the police report it certainly sounds like it was done on purpose.
You were expecting something like, "I didn't like the burger so I stormed into the establishment and demanded to know who prepared it. Without discussion I slapped cuffs on the suspect and hauled her ass to jail!"?
I said he was a dickhead cop, not a dumbass cop.
TheEschaton
09-11-2007, 02:45 PM
Having worked at the DA's office, my general experience is that what the cop says, what the defendant says, and what actually happened are usually three different things.
Celephais
09-11-2007, 02:48 PM
Having worked at the DA's office, my general experience is that what the cop says, what the defendant says, and what actually happened are usually three different things.
Out of curiosity, how many of your peers have cued into that fact? Do any of them seem to hold the cops word in higher regard than they should, in your opinion?
TheEschaton
09-11-2007, 02:55 PM
Judges (that weren't prosecutors) tend to hold the word of cops rather sacrosanct. Ironically, defense lawyers-turned-judges seem to have more deference for cops since they're idealist and believe a cop wouldn't go on the stand and tell a lie.
Prosecutors are continually frustrated at getting a straight story out of a cop. I had a case where we interviewing this guy, and he had blood on his shoes. He'd been arrested on a DV charge which didn't involve blood, so the ADA asked him - what's with the blood?
The guy said the cop beat him to a bloody pulp.
The cop said the def tripped and fell.
The truth? The video of a nearby gas station showed that the cop slammed him up against the wall so hard that the guy lost his balance, fell, and broke his nose, bleeding all over his shoes.
So prosecutors, I think, generally are skeptical of a cop's story, especially when it involves the cop's account of his own behavior. They are so because too many prosecutors have been burned on cross when they put the cop on the stand.
-TheE-
Having worked at the DA's office, my general experience is that what the cop says, what the defendant says, and what actually happened are usually three different things.
Thats because the cops perspective is everyone's guilty. A criminal's perspective is he's always innocent. Meanwhile the truth presents itself as the hardest thing to catch. ;)
Clove
09-11-2007, 03:14 PM
...So prosecutors, I think, generally are skeptical of a cop's story, especially when it involves the cop's account of his own behavior. They are so because too many prosecutors have been burned on cross when they put the cop on the stand.
-TheE-
FTMFW :thanx: for that- pure gold.
Clove
09-11-2007, 03:15 PM
Thats because the cops perspective is everyone's guilty. A criminal's perspective is he's always innocent. Meanwhile the truth presents itself as the hardest thing to catch. ;)
The value of a commodity is determined by its scarcity. This is what makes truth and honesty nearly priceless.
Jazuela
09-11-2007, 03:21 PM
Have you seen the normal amount of sodium on this shit? Insane.
http://www.mcdonalds.com/app_controller.nutrition.index1.html
That's on the finished sandwich. The meat is just meat and has as much sodium as that grade of meat normally has. Add the pickles, ketchup, mustard, and whatever they add to the dough for their buns, and it adds up.
On the issue itself, agreed with whoever said about the cold hockey pucks and not "a batch of ground beef" since fast food restaurants don't shape their own burgers; they buy it that way from the distributor, frozen.
If I was that McDonald's I'd ban the cop from the store. If I was a fast-food joint anywhere within the cop's district, and within 10 miles of his house, I'd ban him from the store. He's a risk to business and a risk to employee morale. It isn't cost-effective to have him as a customer.
Regarding the criminal charges - unless he thinks he has a case for attempted murder by way of sodium poisoning - he's basically just a moron. Well he's basically just a moron anyway for being stupid enough to eat more of a single bite of an oversalty burger. And whichever manager told employees to keep serving the salted meat, should be fired and blacklisted from ever working in food service again.
CrystalTears
09-11-2007, 03:41 PM
I was wondering when the burger queen was going to give some input.
Skeeter
09-11-2007, 04:07 PM
You were expecting something like, "I didn't like the burger so I stormed into the establishment and demanded to know who prepared it. Without discussion I slapped cuffs on the suspect and hauled her ass to jail!"?
I said he was a dickhead cop, not a dumbass cop.
didn't say I was expecting anything. My experience though is that the police report is what the DA will use and it looks really bad for the nappy headed ho in question.
Blazing247
09-11-2007, 04:08 PM
That's on the finished sandwich. The meat is just meat and has as much sodium as that grade of meat normally has. Add the pickles, ketchup, mustard, and whatever they add to the dough for their buns, and it adds up.
On the issue itself, agreed with whoever said about the cold hockey pucks and not "a batch of ground beef" since fast food restaurants don't shape their own burgers; they buy it that way from the distributor, frozen.
If I was that McDonald's I'd ban the cop from the store. If I was a fast-food joint anywhere within the cop's district, and within 10 miles of his house, I'd ban him from the store. He's a risk to business and a risk to employee morale. It isn't cost-effective to have him as a customer.
Regarding the criminal charges - unless he thinks he has a case for attempted murder by way of sodium poisoning - he's basically just a moron. Well he's basically just a moron anyway for being stupid enough to eat more of a single bite of an oversalty burger. And whichever manager told employees to keep serving the salted meat, should be fired and blacklisted from ever working in food service again.
The headline is misleading and it's something people keep getting stuck on. This isn't about salt, it's about making someone sick and foreign substances
possibly being placed in food to hurt someone else. I'll state it again, the Ofc. is stupid for doing this, but it isn't about salt. I'm sure if you bit into a burger and it had someone's snot in it you wouldn't be like, 'Oh damn, I'll throw this away and hope I have better luck next time." I don't agree with the way the Ofc. handled this, but have some perspective.
CrystalTears
09-11-2007, 04:12 PM
How is it misleading when the officer stated in his report that additional salt and pepper were purposely added to his burger? How is it misleading when this was about a woman who spilled salt on some burgers and was told by management not to worry about it? It may be about doing something damaging to a burger, but adding a lot of salt isn't really it.
It's also about a cop trying to make it be something more than it is. For once something wasn't done intentionally to a cop's burger and the worker still gets put in the slammer. This cop was a complete asshole over too much salt in a burger he could have sent back but instead chose to make a huge issue over.
Blazing247
09-11-2007, 04:20 PM
CT, it depends what you are basing your information off of, the media story or the police report. They evidently have video of it, so I guess we'll see.
Skeeter
09-11-2007, 04:21 PM
if there was salt and pepper all over the bun, lettuce, tomato, etc I'd call bullshit on the worker.
If you spill salt on a frozen patty, then tap it off, you wouldn't even see it after the patty was cooked because it would've dissolved in the massive amounts of grease those little hockey pucks generate.
CrystalTears
09-11-2007, 04:26 PM
Both said it was about excessive salt.
Are you saying they purposely tampered with the burgers and added too much salt?
1. Lets see what the Union City Crime Lab has to say about sodium content. All the other ingredients of a McD's burger will now also be open to the public. Hope it wasnt horse in there. :lol:
2. Lets see what the camera shows that was recording all the actions on the kitchen floor during that time period.
At this point its a battle of stories with very little evidence.
Celephais
09-11-2007, 04:36 PM
The cop in question:
I asked for a Mai Tai and they brought me a Pina Colada. and I asked for NO SALT, NO SALT for the margarita but there was salt on it, huge grains of salt...
http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u222/GuinnessKMF/milton1.jpg
Skeeter
09-11-2007, 04:39 PM
Both said it was about excessive salt.
Are you saying they purposely tampered with the burgers and added too much salt?
I'm saying the police report reads that way. Just sayin ;)
CrystalTears
09-11-2007, 04:41 PM
My bad for not quoting. I meant Blazing since he's going with the title is misleading argument.
Atlanteax
09-11-2007, 04:44 PM
I am leaning towards siding with the officer.
Originally, I was thinking "this should not had been such a big deal" and that the cop overreacted.
However, once I put myself in his uniform, with the perspective that a lot of youth tend to demonize cops, to the extent that the bold of them will attempt to play pranks on the cops...
... I can see how the cop would think that there must had been more to it when his burger tasted foul.
If he was so suspicious at that point, I don't think it would had been unreasonable for him to be dismissive of that it was "only" salt... and so he handled it as professionally as he could (no drama, doing inquiries, putting the burger into evidence, having the person arrested, having his health checked).
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And I get mad when they cannot seem to get my simple orders (ie: asking for my burger to be plain, but they still put the cheese on it) done correctly.
I am leaning towards siding with the officer.
Originally, I was thinking "this should not had been such a big deal" and that the cop overreacted.
However, once I put myself in his uniform, with the perspective that a lot of youth tend to demonize cops, to the extent that the bold of them will attempt to play pranks on the cops...
... I can see how the cop would think that there must had been more to it when his burger tasted foul.
If he was so suspicious at that point, I don't think it would had been unreasonable for him to be dismissive of that it was "only" salt... and so he handled it as professionally as he could (no drama, doing inquiries, putting the burger into evidence, having the person arrested, having his health checked).
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And I get mad when they cannot seem to get my simple orders (ie: asking for my burger to be plain, but they still put the cheese on it) done correctly.
I considered that as well; however, the cop was going through the drive through. How could the cook know that this particular burger was going to the cop? Unless there were other conspirators involved...
:thinking:
Then again, it could be just creative writing on the part of the reporting officer. You do know they teach creative report writing at the academy dont you? ;)
Celephais
09-11-2007, 04:52 PM
Guys... it's obvious it went this far because the employee in question is black. If the officer saw some good looking young white chick* flipping burgers he would have dropped it long ago.
*I think it's against store policy at fast food places to hire them, going by my experience.
CrystalTears
09-11-2007, 04:53 PM
Yep. Celephais went there.
Clove
09-11-2007, 05:00 PM
I considered that as well; however, the cop was going through the drive through. How could the cook know that this particular burger was going to the cop? Unless there were other conspirators involved...
Who knows? If I were in uniform and got a nasty burger hell yes I'd be suspicious. Then again I've also wondered how a cook (without help from her coworkers) could have known a particular burger was going to a cop in the drive thru. It's a fucking conspiracy if you ask me, and they're about to blow the lid off it down in Georgia.
I guess what causes me to believe the cook's story more are experiences I've had with restaurants in general; it's just the sort of dumbassed situation that happens. I've lost count of how many times I've overheard a manager direct a cook or waitress to do something similar.
Jazuela
09-11-2007, 05:01 PM
The cop didn't say the burger tasted foul. He said it had salt and pepper dumped over it, got sick after the -first- bite, and continued to take two MORE bites out of it before arresting the girl on "miscellaneous charges."
That is what the cop reported *officially* in his own police report. It is corraborrated by the girl's claim that she knew that there was salt and pepper dumped on it.
If you eat THAT much salt in a single swallow, you'd probably get sick too. And then to take two MORE swallows of salt, you'd probably get sick again, later on. Has nothing to do with foreign substances or poisons. It's all about the cop being an asshole. Maybe oversalting SHOULD be a crime - but it isn't. Not even if you do it on purpose. Arresting someone because you knew something was wrong with your food after your first bite, and were stupid enough to take two more bites of it, should also be a crime. Maybe it fits the "false arrest" category.
Clove
09-11-2007, 05:01 PM
Guys... it's obvious it went this far because the employee in question is black. If the officer saw some good looking young white chick* flipping burgers he would have dropped it long ago.
*I think it's against store policy at fast food places to hire them, going by my experience.
What if the cop was Cuban?
Jazuela
09-11-2007, 05:05 PM
Well everyone knows that Cubans are all white-meat loving perverts. I read it on the internet so it's a fact! He woulda arrested her after the -first- bite instead of after the third, and insisted on doing the frisking himself.
CrystalTears
09-11-2007, 05:05 PM
OH WTF!! Et tu, Clove? Et tu?
Atlanteax
09-11-2007, 05:05 PM
The cop didn't say the burger tasted foul. He said it had salt and pepper dumped over it, got sick after the -first- bite, and continued to take two MORE bites out of it before arresting the girl on "miscellaneous charges."
That is what the cop reported *officially* in his own police report. It is corraborrated by the girl's claim that she knew that there was salt and pepper dumped on it.
If you eat THAT much salt in a single swallow, you'd probably get sick too. And then to take two MORE swallows of salt, you'd probably get sick again, later on. Has nothing to do with foreign substances or poisons. It's all about the cop being an asshole. Maybe oversalting SHOULD be a crime - but it isn't. Not even if you do it on purpose. Arresting someone because you knew something was wrong with your food after your first bite, and were stupid enough to take two more bites of it, should also be a crime. Maybe it fits the "false arrest" category.
He did not enjoy eating it. It tasted foul to him.
Methais
09-11-2007, 05:06 PM
I am leaning towards siding with the officer.
Originally, I was thinking "this should not had been such a big deal" and that the cop overreacted.
However, once I put myself in his uniform, with the perspective that a lot of youth tend to demonize cops, to the extent that the bold of them will attempt to play pranks on the cops...
... I can see how the cop would think that there must had been more to it when his burger tasted foul.
If he was so suspicious at that point, I don't think it would had been unreasonable for him to be dismissive of that it was "only" salt... and so he handled it as professionally as he could (no drama, doing inquiries, putting the burger into evidence, having the person arrested, having his health checked).
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a162/DoyleHargraves/8468a5a1-1.gif
Guys... it's obvious it went this far because the employee in question is black. If the officer saw some good looking young white chick* flipping burgers he would have dropped it long ago.
*I think it's against store policy at fast food places to hire them, going by my experience.
Yep. Celephais went there.
ROFL
Yea, he did.
:help:
Clove
09-11-2007, 05:29 PM
OH WTF!! Et tu, Clove? Et tu?
Oh come on, it was just a joke. We all know the cop couldn't have possibly been Cuban. They can't get their rafts that far inland.
What if the fry cook was Cuban? I hear Jose Contreras might be looking for work soon.
I think the manager was cuban. Thats why he didnt get arrested.
Celephais
09-11-2007, 05:35 PM
I think the manager was cuban. Thats why he didnt get arrested.
He probably didn't want to fill out the paperwork for arresting the manager, what with not being a legal and all.
He probably didn't want to fill out the paperwork for arresting the manager, what with not being a legal and all.
Secretly he just didnt want to get cut.
:whistle:
CrystalTears
09-11-2007, 05:37 PM
:gawk: Teh h8.
Clove
09-11-2007, 05:37 PM
He probably didn't want to fill out the paperwork for arresting the manager, what with not being a legal and all.
Okay this thread just went 5 stars!!!!
:gawk: Teh h8.
Its all :love:. You know you're our little cuban chile pequinita.
CrystalTears
09-11-2007, 05:41 PM
It was the Cuban freelance gynocologist thing, wasn't it?
It was the Cuban freelance gynocologist thing, wasn't it?
That was bonus points. ;)
TheEschaton
09-11-2007, 06:55 PM
The cop is black, according to the police reports.
But as NWA said, "black police showing off for the white cop."
-TheE-
Blazing247
09-11-2007, 10:08 PM
Oh the cop is black? And the worker is black? Who the fuck cares then.
thefarmer
09-11-2007, 10:27 PM
Oh the cop is black? And the worker is black? Who the fuck cares then.
I'm sure the same could be said about most of your posts...
Blazing247
09-11-2007, 10:30 PM
Whoever the fuck you are, a glorious thing about a forum is the ability to skip a post, and NOT HAVE TO COMMENT ON EVERYTHING EVERYONE SAYS AT ALL TIMES, especially a sarcastic post. Try it once in awhile while you diddle yourself, see how you like it.
Sean of the Thread
09-11-2007, 10:50 PM
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