Mid-Game Training Adjustements

[DaCapn]

I'm thinking of altering my training some. The bottom line is: post cman changes I basically never activate shadow mastery. It never really seemed to be able to give me an edge in hiding under any circumstances, I was still spotted by the same critters and still hiding from the same ones, the roundtime was the only factor. Plus, dirtkick seems to do ten times as much in terms of a "hide bonus" than smastery ever has. I was considering dropping smastery and just wanted to know the opinions of other rogues here. It just feels taboo. If I did, what would be the best thing to pick up? I was thinking groin kick or sucker punch. Am I reading the "loss of concentration" in groin kick right as causing someone to drop a prepared spell? Also, does anyone know how height affects these cmans (as I'm playing a halfling)? I like dirtkick because it's height independent, not sure about these two. I don't want to be unable to use them on something human-sized.

Being 1x in survival doesn't seem to do a damn thing for me. I can skin more often, but my skins never seem to be worth much, and the quality is rarely good enough for bounty tasks. Also, I still can't forage worth a damn. If I drop that I can get 19 ranks in cman or put them into catching up on lockpicking skills (since I waned off to about 2x to get my cmans up to snuff and get into MBP faster).

Sorry I don't have a copy/paste of my skills... the simu server must be having a problem with it's dial-up lines. Hopefully they will upgrade to ISDN soon.

armor use: 70
shield use: 78
edged weapons: 104
combat maneuvers: 79
ambush: 104
physical training: 52
dodging: 52
climbing: 30
disarming traps: 120
picking locks: 110
stalking and hiding: 104
perception: 104
survival: 52
arcane symbols: 10
harness power: 4
minor elemental spell research: 4

combat maneuvers:
dirt kick: 4
shadow mastery: 5
surge of strength: 5

[Some Rogue]

Ask Latrinestorm, he's the rogue expert. :rofl:

[Some Rogue]

Personally, I'd definitely drop the survival.


I love the reduced RT from shadow mastery, but I agree that it doesn't help a ton for actual hiding and staying hidden. I went with weapon spec (because I won a coraesine weapon at a merchant a few years ago and don't see myself switching weapons), shadow mastery and cutthroat. Cutthroat I assume would be a problem for a halfling. Which guild skills do you currently have?



This is what I look like:

Armor Use..........................| 175 75
Shield Use..........................| 156 56
Combat Maneuvers..............| 181 81
Edged Weapons..................| 212 112
Ambush.............................| 212 112
Physical Fitness..................| 159 59
Dodging............................| 238 138
Arcane Symbols.................| 90 20
Magic Item Use.................| 90 20
Disarming Traps.................| 212 112
Picking Locks.....................| 211 111
Stalking and Hiding.............| 210 110
Perception........................| 186 86
Climbing...........................| 102 24
Swimming.........................| 90 20
Spell Lists
Minor Elemental.................| 4

[FinisWolf]

Congrats on level 50!

While 50 is mid-level in the game, the halfway mark is 66ish. I just had to give you shit. And you sure do hide well, I see your alts more then I see the one you are speaking of here.

Hope things work out.

Finis

[Carl Spackler]

You may hide well now... but im doubled in hiding and pyros see me half the time... you may want to consider keeping smastery... at 90 stamina I keep that running just fine during my hunts

[Some Rogue]

It's that 5 minute cooldown that's the bitch.

[DaCapn]

Hah, thanks Finis... liberal definition of "mid-game." Been guild grinding so that's one less thing to get a hard time about.

These are my guild skills... I am guessing you intended to mention something about cheapshots based on which cmans I've been talking about. As you can see it has a little to be desired of. I've been trying to work up my sweep the most so I can get access to head shots. If the creature is pretty perceptive I usually follow up with a dirtkick and can one-shot them or at least give them enough head trauma to keep them on ice for a while.

You are Guild Master of the Rogue Guild.
You are current with your dues and must check in again sometime in the next 7 days.
You currently have 185 ranks out of a possible 233 for your training.

You have 38 ranks in the Sweep skill.
You need 101 training points to earn your next rank.
The Training Administrator told you to practice sweeping creatures.
You have 11 repetitions remaining to complete this task.

You have 25 ranks in the Subdue skill.
You need 19 training points to earn your next rank.
The Training Administrator told you to try and subdue some creatures.
You have 7 repetitions remaining to complete this task.

you are a Master of Stun Maneuvers.

You have 24 ranks in the Lock Mastery skill.
You need 51 training points to earn your next rank.
The Training Administrator told you to use some decently challenging boxes to practice your latest trick for an audience.
You have 3 repetitions remaining to complete this task.

You have 5 ranks in the Cheap Shot skill.
You need 13 training points to earn your next rank.
The Training Administrator told you to practice footstomping a partner.
You have 13 repetitions remaining to complete this task.

You have 36 ranks in the Rogue Gambits skill.
You need 54 training points to earn your next rank.
The Training Administrator told you to get a partner to teach you your latest trick.
You have 13 repetitions remaining to complete this task.

Here's an actual paste of my skills now that I can connect:

Skill Name | Current Current
| Bonus Ranks
Armor Use..........................| 180 80
Shield Use.........................| 178 78
Combat Maneuvers...................| 179 79
Edged Weapons......................| 204 104
Ambush.............................| 204 104
Physical Fitness...................| 152 52
Dodging............................| 152 52
Arcane Symbols.....................| 50 10
Harness Power......................| 20 4
Survival...........................| 152 52
Disarming Traps....................| 220 120
Picking Locks......................| 210 110
Stalking and Hiding................| 204 104
Perception.........................| 204 104
Climbing...........................| 120 30

Spell Lists
Minor Elemental....................| 4
Training Points: 0 Phy 15 Mnt (50 Mnt converted to Phy)

I'm thinking I should dump survival, grab 6 ranks of cman to master dirtkick, dump the rest into lockpicking skills and keep smastery for now, who knows... maybe the staff will renig on it and see that it's the most expensive cman for squares and has a ridiculous cooldown (triple base cost). Either that or I'll get my head out of the clouds. I have 100 stamina but I pretty much need to keep surge up most of the time if I intend to pick up loot.

[CrystalTears]

OMG I need to find someone to reinstate me. I got kicked out of the guild. :(

[Some Rogue]

I need repromoted to guild master but there's never that many masters around in one place heh.