Dense people. Can you save them or are they doomed to their own fate?

[Kitsun]

This is taken off the Illistim net. In short, Grabbs stole a nearly fully charge ruby amulet from Dharah. Dharah as you will see, has no concept of Roleplay, can't seem to determine ingame from OOC policy and evidently won't listen to any sound advice.

Several people tried to help him but couldn't seem to get him to understand. How would your character react? How would the player react? You know this guy can't be the sharpest knife in the drawer but geez. How far can you go to help someone like this?


Dharah: "could i get some assist with a thief?"
Dharah: "how do i get a thief put in jail?"
Velvette: "find the guard and accuse him"
Suzan: "the guard is where we fog in at briarstone"
Dharah: "problem is he stole something valuable and i want it back"
Velvette: "oh dear, GRabbs give it back to Dharah"
Dharah: "could some one help me find Grabb?"
Velvette: "Tot ake a gem is one thing but to take something else, well that is going to make you more enemies than I think anyone would want."
Valiren: "what did he take?"
Dharah: "he stole my ruby amulet...."
Iluna: "and it has a bunch of charges in it Dharah?"
Iluna: "You can't get charged up anylonger?"
Dharah: "about 35"
Velvette: "Grabbs, give it back."
Dharah: "he refuses..."
Velvette: "well this is one empath who won't heal him any longer"
Bevan: "Oh dear. Someone new on the blacklist?"
Velvette: "Yep, the only person"
Teos: "i stoped healin him a long time ago"
Bevan: "And who is the malefactor?"
Dharah: "any ideas how to get my ruby amulet back from Grabb?"
Velvette: "Oh, are you new into the conversation?"
Lucos: "hmmm..steal it back?"
Dharah: "sorry.....i not a thief"
Dharah: "i am sure he is still stealin from me....as i think"
Velvette: "well close your containers coins are just coins"
Bevan: "Ah. Grabbs, again. Why am I not surprised? Report him to the constable for theft. Let him get banished."
Velvette: "oh do they eventually banish you if you get arrested too much? I hope so!"
Velvette: "Report him Dharah, at least you can do that"
Velvette: "find the constible"
Bevan: "It's starting to happen. That aside, there are people wracking up fines so large now that they are forced into retirement. It happened last night in Icemule to a persistent thief."
Iluna: "oh please Dharah"
Dharah: "i cant find da constable"
Iluna: "I didn't yesterday and I regret if I would have known he can be banished"
Bevan: "And if ALL of you report him for when he stole from ALL of you ..."
Dharah: "i been told my a GM...it not their business"
Dharah: "any other ideas beside reporting?"
Bevan: "I'm not talking about Great Mages. I'm talking about the Ta'Illistim constable."
Dharah: "where is the constable?"
Dharah: "and will the constable return my ruby amulet?"
Paragonimus: "there is no other purpose for the stealing skill than to steal, so reporting is not going to help... the gods gave us that skill to use"
Velvette: "the captain is at the keep"
Velvette: "from the annex of briarstone go nw twice Dharah"
Velvette: "and hope too much time has not passed hon"
Bevan: "And it also strikes me that the Hall of Justice is a good place to start."
Dharah: "watching dont work...unless you can see them"
Valiren: "then either wait until you catch him in the act or i'd say go to a private table"
Dharah: "i did catch him in the act..."
Dharah: "but how do i get my ruby amulet back?"
Valiren: "hm dunno about that"
Cosgrave: "you dont"
Respital: "ya can't, just be more careful from now on"
Dharah: "so i am out a ruby amulet with almost full charges?"
Livn: "Yes."
Bevan: "I would say so."
Dharah: "dat is bullshit"
Suntzhu: "you kill his alts when they are about"
Dharah: "who are his alts"
Dharah: "now i getting in trouble for losing my ruby amulet"
Livn: "You did not lose it. It was stolen."
Respital: "yer in trouble fer cursin"
Dharah: "yep...it all my fault"
Bevan: "We do have a few means to deal with thieves, and ought to use them."
Iluna: "I might have one someplace."
Livn: "You were told your options. Go to the guard captain, steal it back, hire someone to steal it back or confront him."
Dharah: "what can i do to get my amulet back?"
Iluna: "I know I had an extra fully charged one. I had several of them that were charged very well before they did the changes Dharah"
Dharah: "anyone willing to steal back my amulet for me?"
Iluna: "I'll have to go through all my stuff and try to find you one hon."
Calean: "I would think your amulet, sadly has prolly been lockered away for safe keeping."
Bevan: "If not already pawned."
Iluna: "or in your cloak because before it was safe and easily used."
Dharah: "good bye folks...i have had enought of the GS4 garage..."
Iluna: "Bye Dharah"
Bypin: "Bye bye."

[GSTamral]

The best way to avoid people stealing from you is to take real good care not to give them any opportunities. Personally, if I know someone to be a thief, the best way to get them is to follow them and watch them, and as soon as they steal from someone else, report em.

But I will say this. The new thieving system has some serious flaws. A thief who is caught should have to return the item along with an additional amount in silver equal to triple the value of the total amount stolen for each offense in addition to a large fine. The system is kinda f'ed up in that I would rather die and lose a deed than lose some of the more valuable items I possess. To reflect this imbalance in the system, thieving should carry a much much heavier penalty in the justice system.

[HarmNone]

Heh. It is the well-known "I'm talking and I can't shutup long enough to hear what anyone is saying." syndrome, eh? I think it is incurable. :nod:

HarmNone

[Latrinsorm]

I hate it when someone says something like that "I've had enough of this GS4 crap" because I know DAMN WELL they're not leaving. I WANT them to leave, but they just won't. Hatred.

There is no fate. Everyone can learn. It is hard to put someone such as that in an environment conducive to learning, however. Given the situation as it is, I believe you will find it impossible to remedy his stupidity.

[Kitsun]

I will agree that the stealing mechanics are dumb as hell. Fogged into a room and attempted to watch Grabbs. He kept hiding and the watch fell off. He'd only show up when he stole so the WATCH verb is completely garbage.

[Edaarin]

Heh. It's a lot easier for thieves to get caught now. In III, singled in PP I can count the number of times I got caught this year (lvl 48-79) on one hand. In IV, I've already been caught at least a dozen times with 2x PP, and it's been less than two weeks. And yeah, always from hiding, or snuck into a room.

[Artha]

And yeah, always from hiding, or snuck into a room.

At 21, I've been caught once by a wizard who was alot higher in levels than me. This is including the few times I've cleaned out the park (when falgrin wasn't around!).

I've heard hiding increases your chances of getting caught...so that's probably your problem. Or you aren't using SENSE.

[Killer Kitten]

Dharah is a nice guy. He minds his business and just wants to be left the hell alone.

Stealing is nothing but uninvited PVP. There is no 'roleplay' involved, if you actually catch the guy they flee, hide, log, or sell your stuff right in front of you.

It is one thing to get killed in an invasion by a game generated critter. It is quite another to be forced into conflict with other players when all you really want is just to be left alone.

I've known Dharah since we met as level one newbies and joined up to slay rats together. He doesn't bother anybody and doesn't deserve to be posted as an example of all that is bad in Elanthia because he was robbed of something he valued and got pissed about it. You've always stuck me as a very nice person Kit, you know better than to judge somebody because you happen to catch them at a bad moment.

Kimm/Tilone

[Edaarin]

No, hiding is supposed to provide a bonus to stealing now. What kind of backward logic is it that hiding helps you get caught.

He has every right to be left alone. Nodes are everywhere. Tables, areas like the dais, inviso, hiding. Sitting out in the open putting away valuables is inviting a thief to swipe everything you have.

I stole a charged blue crystal last week. I never heard the guy go on a rant or go OOC about it, but maybe that's because I didn't get caught.

[Wezas]

My two cents, hope he doesn't mind.

Session Start (AIM - legendwezas:Grabbs): Sun Nov 30 14:08:27 2003
Grabbs: how much is a ruby amulet worth with 35 charges in it?
Grabbs: I just stole one
Legend Wezas: almost worthless now
Legend Wezas: WOF only lasts 1 minute
Legend Wezas: not stackable
Grabbs: I thought they were still worth a bit htough
Grabbs: oh well
Legend Wezas: never know
Legend Wezas: I assume they're worth less now
Legend Wezas: not worthless, but worth less
Grabbs: Someone's payyin' me 200k for it
Legend Wezas: nice
Legend Wezas: sucker born every minute
Grabbs: heh
Session Close (Grabbs): Sun Nov 30 14:48:21 2003

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

BFD, a ruby amulet? Even charged, BFD. Not even worth getting ticked about.

[Halfsilver]

It would be in GS3 before the changes to wall of force and the MIU requirements.

Now, it's not worth that much. Definitely not worth 200k. People just want a reason to bitch. Keep your damned pockets closed. How many times must people be reminded?

[Killer Kitten]

<<He has every right to be left alone. Nodes are everywhere. Tables, areas like the dais, inviso, hiding. Sitting out in the open putting away valuables is inviting a thief to swipe everything you have. >>

Bummer that 130 doesn't bring one to a table or let you land while hidden. Tough to run and deposit coins while kneeling in Briarstone puking your guts up though.

Stealing is uninvited PVP. It's almost as bad as wandering around killing people for no reason, then when they protest saying 'go to a sancted room or get older if you don't want to be killed'. I object to it because it is a negative interaction forced upon your character by other players and there is no real 100% certain defense against it.

Kimm/Tilone

[Wezas]

Originally posted by Killer Kitten

Stealing is uninvited PVP.
Kimm/Tilone

That's a rather blanket statement. Why wouldn't a character use stealing to suit their passive aggressive nature?

If someone is picking on my character or another character I am friends with, when I pick their pockets it would be CvC.

If I'm RPing a thief, then how would it be PvP for me to steal from you?

[Halfsilver]

Stealing is NOT PvP.

It's CvC and completely acceptable.

IRL, if you don't like to be stolen from or mugged...you stay away from areas where you know those types of people hang out. IG, if you don't want to be robbed, keep valuables and silvers in banks, closed pouches, or don't carry them.

If someone steals from you, You are within your right(as long as you stay IC) to inflict upon them what you feel is just punishment.

It's the way of Elanthia. To do otherwise is lame and OOC.

-grays/d(on pickpocketing)

[StrayRogue]

Stealing is not Player versus Player, its Character versus Character. It can be abused yes, but so can guildskills, CMAN skills, and pretty much every other damn skill out there.

[Halfsilver]

I just said that, Stay.

[StrayRogue]

I know, but most people in the game these days don't know the difference between CvC and PvP. They could stand for anything.

[Wezas]

Originally posted by Halfsilver
I just said that, Stay.


And I said it before you

[Halfsilver]

LoL

true and true.

[Killer Kitten]

CVC/PVP, whatever! Since I don't tend to take stuff OOC I use them interchangably, but I guess the distinction is relevant.

So stealing is CVC and thus fine to do to folks. If I decided to take my capped character and go around offing other characters regardless of their levels and abilities to defend would that be considered CVC and therefore OK to do? I mean, I got nothing against these players, I'm just killing their characters so it's CVC and all right.

No, I'd end up in a lounge reading policy so fast my head would spin. Stealing is something that is impossible to always defend against without taking actions that seriously inhibit ones enjoyment of the game. I've seen people lurking out in hunting grounds and grabbing coins as soon as a person searches their kill. How does one defend against that?

Anyway, my point was to defend Dharah. He got stolen from, had absolutely no recourse to recover his property, and was irritated. Is everybody else so perfect that they actually respond to every irritant in a completely IC manner? Bottom line is that he's a nice guy, minds his business, and doesn't go around discussing football scores on the amunet. The thief in question, on the other hand, has a long list of people who would pay real silvers to see him dead. Of the two people involved in this situation, the victim is the last one who should be dragged through the mud.

K/T

[StrayRogue]

Well capped characters still steal. Drizzsdt did. Tsin did. Others did and do. If it was like killing, PvPing, they'd end up in the lounge. There wouldn't be a skill then either. How do you defend against it? Keep your containers shut, train in PP and Perception, and always deposit your coins. Simple.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

He over reacted Tilone. He got on the net and started talking about GM's, and reporting and how it was bullshit. I'd say thats bad.

If theft was 'illegal', it wouldn't be an option in the mangler. If you don't want to be robbed blind, close your pockets, if you don't want to be robbed blind, say away from highly populated dark areas. If you don't want to be robbed blind, pick up ancillary skills to combat it.

Its that, or get frustrated over a ruby amulet that will be gone in 35 uses.

[CrystalTears]

No one says you can't retaliate against someone who steals from you. ::shrugs::

[Wezas]

Originally posted by Suppa Hobbit Mage
If theft was 'illegal', it wouldn't be an option in the mangler.

Whoa whoa, don't be throwing logic around like that, all wreckless-like.

[Kitsun]

Originally posted by Killer Kitten
Dharah is a nice guy.

...doesn't deserve to be posted as an example of all that is bad in Elanthia ...
Kimm/Tilone

I don't know Dharah beyond what I saw on the net. I wasn't attempting to ruin his reputation by calling him an example of all that is bad in Elanthia, I can name other much worse examples off the top of my head.

What I was trying to get was HOW do you deal with someone like that?

One of my other characters attempted to tell him to roleplay out the scenario in a private thought and went completely ignored. He seemed to be in interaction range because of the thoughts that referred to Grabbs not giving the item back AND that he thought he was still being stolen from.

What got me was that he didn't respond to people attempting to help him or nudge him in the right direction, yet he responded IMMEDIATELY when Suntzhu suggested to "kill his alts."

Me, the player, wanted to try to help him but I wasn't about to get my characters involved in a conflict that wasn't anywhere near thier business. So I let my characters voice some aid which went entirely unheeded. Other people tried to help him too, Iluna even offered to dig up another ruby amulet for him.

I'm not sure I even have a point but if I do it might be this; he chose his own bad day. He made up his mind to focus all his attention on a single bad incident and chose to ignore any of the friendly voices trying to help him.

[Killer Kitten]

<<I'm not sure I even have a point but if I do it might be this; he chose his own bad day. He made up his mind to focus all his attention on a single bad incident and chose to ignore any of the friendly voices trying to help him. >>

He chose to have this happy asshole steal an item he valued (and never mind if the item was actually valuable, he valued it) while he was trying to get used to a new level, new spells and skills, and a new front end? Somehow I don't think so.

The guy has a bad night, pitches a bitch about it, and this is the one thing that gets plastered across a public board for people to see and judge him by? Not the many years he's played this character, not the countless rescues he's done, not the people he's helped with items, Voln steps, spells, etc. People won't know about any of that stuff, they'll see this post and judge the guy because of this one evening and that's just wrong.

I don't know about Dharah's player, but when I get frustrated as hell and feel like screaming I don't want to listen to 'friendly' voices either. I want to maim, kill, destroy, lose myself in an entirely pointless orgy of idiocy. The next day I'll probably think about the maiming/destroying thing and laugh like hell at myself (as would the player of Dharah, he's actually a calm and mellow guy). While I'm in that pissed off state the last thing I want to hear is the 'helpful' chorus of 'close your containers, deposit your coins, be as perfect as me and you'll never be stolen from'.

I think that plastering the guys name all over a thread like this for having a bad night is wrong, and it's definately not the kind of thing I see a person like you doing, Kit. But we all have those bad nights once in awhile, even great people like Dharah or Kitsun. Or wimpy pains in the ass like Tilone.

K/T

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Why is the thief an asshole because he stole an item? Just curious.

[Wezas]

Originally posted by Suppa Hobbit Mage
Why is the thief an asshole because he stole an item? Just curious.

Edine is an asshole, but I don't think it's only because he's a thief.

[Kitsun]

Originally posted by Killer Kitten
The guy has a bad night, pitches a bitch about it, and this is the one thing that gets plastered across a public board for people to see and judge him by? Not the many years he's played this character, not the countless rescues he's done, not the people he's helped with items, Voln steps, spells, etc. People won't know about any of that stuff, they'll see this post and judge the guy because of this one evening and that's just wrong.

I think that plastering the guys name all over a thread like this for having a bad night is wrong, and it's definately not the kind of thing I see a person like you doing, Kit. But we all have those bad nights once in awhile, even great people like Dharah or Kitsun. Or wimpy pains in the ass like Tilone.

K/T

I wouldn't be concerned about ANYONE's opinion that could be formed by a single thread on some random message board. Those people are shallow, fickle, easily swayed, what have you. Any reasonable person can see that he was irritated by the situation.

What I wanted to know was, how do you HANDLE someone like that. I didn't want to drive him nuts, I didn't want to further aggravate him, I'm sure the people saying to close your containers don't want him jumping off of a bridge. They said something because they were moved to say it. If saying something is construed as obstructive, would I have been better off just ignoring him? Would it have been more reasonable for all of us to jump onto a lynching bandwagon and maul Grabbs to death for using an ingame mechanic?

If I hit a bad situation, I actually do appreciate some advice on how to correct it or avoid it in the future. I don't want it happening again.

On a side note: From where do you know or think you know me? Is it only from this MB? I am not Kitsun or Kitson ingame. I'd hate to think that I'm adversling affecting your opinion of someone by mistake.

[Kitsun]

Originally posted by Suppa Hobbit Mage
Why is the thief an asshole because he stole an item? Just curious.

Grabbs, the character, is an ass. If you met him ingame you'd probably agree. He's a thief, named like a thief, behaves like a thief, causes problems like a thief, sells the item right after stealing it like a thief.

And besides, I've yet to love someone that I know stole something from me. How many nice thieves do you really know? C'mon now.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Isn't that the point of being a thief? And I can think of 3 off the top of my head that are 'nice'.

[Kitsun]

Just because its the point or expected, doesn't make it less wrong.

[Kurili]

Since there's a lot of mechanics to do with thievery, and it's obviously a part of Gemstone, a Simu-approved part, I think the thing to do would be to take it up with Simu. Of course, that will do no good at all, so we may as well remain used to the fact that thieves ARE a fact of Elanthian life.

I could not play a thief. But many can, and do it well. Some do it poorly. Everyone is different.

Acolyte Kurili

[Latrinsorm]

I've yet to be stolen from. And I've even been in the East Tower twice with Capital D. Many years ago, however, I lost pretty much every worldly possession I had in the game (I added it up and it was like 200k worth of stufF) on account of leaving it in a backpack and having it janitorized while I was kicking the snot out of Lord Kai, so I do know what it's like to lose stuff. Just because you lose something DOES NOT give you an excuse to fly out of character. If you're that attached to material possessions that aren't even REAL, you need to do some serious re-examination.

I never met either guy. The thief is less of an asshole in this situation. By far.

[Adhara]

Originally posted by Kurili
I could not play a thief. But many can, and do it well. Some do it poorly.

From my experience, I'd reverse that. Most do it poorly and very very few (I know they must exist, I just have yet to see one) do it well.

My problem with pickpocketing is not its existence but the lame way people play it. The whole check into an inn until the auto-accept of challenge is over, the whole I'm caught so I'll log is what gets to me and sadly, that's all I've seen so far.

All thieves reading this should not take it as an invitation to steal from me to prove they can roleplay though! :bouncy:

[Kurili]

There are a good number of thieves who've stolen from my girls and it was fun. Probably a much higher number that I had no clue who did it. I just try to never carry more than I can afford to lose.

Acolyte Kurili

[Killer Kitten]

Originally posted by Kitsun

I wouldn't be concerned about ANYONE's opinion that could be formed by a single thread on some random message board. Those people are shallow, fickle, easily swayed, what have you. Any reasonable person can see that he was irritated by the situation.

What I wanted to know was, how do you HANDLE someone like that. I didn't want to drive him nuts, I didn't want to further aggravate him, I'm sure the people saying to close your containers don't want him jumping off of a bridge. They said something because they were moved to say it. If saying something is construed as obstructive, would I have been better off just ignoring him? Would it have been more reasonable for all of us to jump onto a lynching bandwagon and maul Grabbs to death for using an ingame mechanic?

If I hit a bad situation, I actually do appreciate some advice on how to correct it or avoid it in the future. I don't want it happening again.

On a side note: From where do you know or think you know me? Is it only from this MB? I am not Kitsun or Kitson ingame. I'd hate to think that I'm adversling affecting your opinion of someone by mistake.

I wish one didn't have to be concerned about the opinions of people who form them from one slamming on a message board. Trouble is, those are the kinds of people that tend to approach one ingame to start trouble, or tend to spread OOC information ingame based on what they read on a board like this.

As for what to do in the ingame situation... if that was all you really wanted was there any real need to post the names of the people involved? The point would have been made just as well without smearing the guys name and reputation across a public forum on the basis of one really crappy night. Getting past that, involvement in stuff like this is a personal choice. If I don't know the people, or only know them casually, I tend to just ignore the whole thing. (I'm a New Yorker, this is almost second nature to me. <g>) Had I been ingame that night I would have probably turned Grabbs into a grease spot, but that is because Dharah was one of my first real friends in Elanthia and I love him dearly and will back him no matter what. (If I think he's wrong I'll tell him so later, but in public we will always present a united front. That is the nature of friendship and loyalty to me.) Again, tho, if I didn't know the parties involved I'd probably just utilize a bit of selective perception and tune the whole thing out.

I thought you were the Kit I know from ingame, given your board name. <g> And no, this thread didn't make me think of Kit in a bad light, he's always been a very nice person ingame. Just as I don't think any less of Dharah for getting pissed off ingame and acting in a very uncharacteristic manner I didn't think any less of Kit because of what has been, by and large, a really civilized discussion. People can disagree and still like each other. Thanks for the candor, though.

K/T

[Rastaman]

Dharah is obviously a moron. Grabbs is a thief. Niether of them are wrong, they just clash.

[Kurili]

Actually, not knowing Dhara at all, I'd give him the benefit of the doubt that he was just really, really ticked off.

My Plat Cleric had a gem that meant a lot to her. It was just a gem, but it was a gift. And running to a rescue, the she didnt have her portal ticket out and lost it to the portal from a closed container. I was extremely ticked at my own stupidity, and my character was totally distraught. So no one is perfect. I do understand.

Acolyte Kurili

[Edited on 12-2-2003 by Kurili]

[Methais]

<<Dharah: "good bye folks...i have had enought of the GS4 garage...">>

Brave Adventurer Questing:

Dharah

[JustMe]

I'm just glad I wasn't in EN during that time, I probably would have started taking heads and asking questions later.

[Moist Happenings]

"I'm not saying that we should kill all the dumb people or anything, but why don't we just take all the safety labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself?"

[Parkbandit]

The great part of the stealing mechanics is that you can make yourself 100% immune. A thief cannot open bags or get your money from the bank.

It's not for everyone... I'll grant you that. One of my oldest friends in the game HATES the stealing ability. But to me, it does make the game more exciting. Sure my thief can frustrate the living hell out of some folks.. but hey, isn't that the point sometimes?

Is it all about going out and killing stuff to get more wealth and experience? Without some form of conflict in this game, it would be dull and unrealistic.

If you are one that does not like to be stolen from.. then make yourself immune.

[DeV]

I think the guy should be able to react any way he wants.. its his account, and his character, who likes being stolen from anyway? noone. He will be the one getting in trouble if his actions go beyond the limits of the game. Some people cant help but to put themselves into their characters at times, and if you are really pissed because someone stole a valuable item from you, then shit, by all means handle your business.. but try not to get OOC. Im sure everyone has at some point... just my opinion.

one of the main reasons i dont train my character in perception is so i dont have to deal with situations like that. I keep all my containers closed at all times except in a node. If im being stolen from I would rather not know...

[Jack]

Grabbs is a bitch. I've caught him stealing from me a few times, and each time he logged as soon as I drew a weapon. 95% of all thieves in Gemstone do the same thing, 2% will take their licks but whine like girls afterwards, another 2% are capped and basicly untouchable, and then there is that 1% that are actually fun to deal with after they are caught. The whole skill should be scrapped, since so few can actually pull off being a thief.

-Jack

[Wezas]

Jack, I'm afraid you're way off.

I've caught many people stealing, and I've only seen perhaps a handful that run away. Most sit there and take their licks, a decent portion RP it out, and yes, there are a few that are untouchable. I've caught Grabbs stealing from me, he hasn't run. And I'm much older then him. So your percentages may be opinion, but they are not fact.

[Parkbandit]

Originally posted by Jack
Grabbs is a bitch. I've caught him stealing from me a few times, and each time he logged as soon as I drew a weapon. 95% of all thieves in Gemstone do the same thing, 2% will take their licks but whine like girls afterwards, another 2% are capped and basicly untouchable, and then there is that 1% that are actually fun to deal with after they are caught. The whole skill should be scrapped, since so few can actually pull off being a thief.

-Jack

LOL.. I would love to see the actual numbers to back this far fetched claim up. Nothing like greatly exagerating to try and bolster an unfounded claim.

And I have to be honest.. I don't interact with Grabbs too often, but when I have he has always been in character and has never simply logged out.

And trust me.. I've had him on the ground torturing the absolute shit out of him. He layed there and took it right up to me killing him.

You obviously don't know... Jack.

[Warriorbird]

Grabbs logs. A LOT. Falgrin don't.

There's a difference there. I like Grabbs, personally, and I never have much worth stealing ON any of my characters....but I've seen Grabbs log to avoid conflict.

[Edited on 12-8-2003 by Warriorbird]

[Moist Happenings]

I once cursed Chadj, Grabbs, some random guy whose name I forget and Picklok in the period of 15 seconds when I flashed an emerald. Grabbs and the random guy ran off, Picklok RP'd his way out of it, trading the gem for his life, and Chadj was just fucking around to begin with. All in all i'd say 1 for 4 isn't bad.

[Czeska]

Stealing is part of the game, like it or not. I think logging to avoid conflict is completely wimpy. But, tell me there are not plenty of those around.
Eh, close your bags, lesson learned.

Secondly.. I think I know why Chadj kept going to my bf for spells now <grins>

And thirdly, Tilone can't be all bad, she's the reason Czes joined Voln <grins again>

[Chadj]

Why did i always go to him for spells?

[Chadj]

I just go to him cause i consider him a good friend. :)

[Parkbandit]

Originally posted by Warriorbird
Grabbs logs. A LOT. Falgrin don't.

There's a difference there. I like Grabbs, personally, and I never have much worth stealing ON any of my characters....but I've seen Grabbs log to avoid conflict.

[Edited on 12-8-2003 by Warriorbird]

If that's true.. that blows. He is missing out on the very reason to BE a thief... the initiation of the conflict.

Dumbass.

[Soulpieced]

Grabbs is a pain in the ass, but he is in character. I think it was a terrible idea on Simu's part to let rogues steal more expensive stuff like ruby amulets. Some of us don't bother to use closable containers (or don't have them). And it's sad that people have to have scripts to close stuff after putting them away to avoid being stolen from every waning second walking around in the landing.

[Parkbandit]

Note to self.. Soulpieced doesn't close his containers.

Sweet.

[Warriorbird]

Not really. GS's stealing system is still pathetic compared to DR's.

[Artha]

Some of us don't bother to use closable containers (or don't have them). And it's sad that people have to have scripts to close stuff after putting them away to avoid being stolen from every waning second walking around in the landing.

Get some perception.