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Lomoriond
09-02-2007, 02:58 AM
a sturdy smoke blackened flamberge

The undulating blade of the large sword has been masterfully forged of the highest quality steel. Twin spikes jut out from the blade two thirds down its length above a black leather wrapped ricasso. Gently upswept quillions surmount a similarly wrapped twohanded grip. The flamberge appears to have been carefully smoke blackened over a coal rich fire, deadening the razor sharp steel's reflectivity and shine.

true flamberge base (WBS 7)
true claidh weighting (40 points of phantom damage, not assessable)

Weighs about 8 pounds, negative 1x enchant (-5 AS)

MB:10 mil
Buyout: 15 mil

Bid here, U2U or AIM (GS4scious)

Mainland delivery only (no Teras, RR or FWI)

Xaerve
09-02-2007, 12:21 PM
enchantable with PP?

Lomoriond
09-02-2007, 12:24 PM
Don't have access to pcalc, but I can't imagine why it wouldn't be.

thefarmer
09-03-2007, 01:32 AM
It should be.. and.. it should be cheaper than enchanting up a claid.

The Ponzzz
09-03-2007, 02:52 AM
It should be.. and.. it should be cheaper than enchanting up a claid.

Negative enchants work very oddly.

But, lets say it does cost 1000 less than a 0x-1x enchant, you're looking at 9000 PPs to make it 1x just so it can hit magic creatures.

thefarmer
09-03-2007, 02:57 AM
I'm not sure it would cost that much even to ET it up to 1x. It should count more than 1000 points less than a claid, much more. Another thing is that just one enchant, to make it 0x, should let it hit magical creatures since it should get the et mark and be considered magical then. I don't think 1x is a requirement for being considered magical, though I could be wrong and on both cases.

The Ponzzz
09-03-2007, 03:00 AM
Enchant Claidhmore or Claid weighted weapon
Enchant 0x-1x 4000+1000=5000
Enchant 1x-2x 4000+2000=6000
Enchant 2x-3x 4000+3000=7000
Enchant 3x-4x 4000+4000=8000
Enchant 4x-5x 4000+5000=9000
Enchant 5x-6x 4000+6000=10000
Enchant 6x-7x 4000+7000=11000
Enchant 7x-8x 4000+8000=12000
Enchant 8x-9x 4000+9000=13000
Enchant 9x-10x 4000+10000=14000

Generally an enchanter's mark can't stick to a 0x weapon, and due to the negative enchant, I am not 100% sure at all. I know the maul released at EG needed 2 enchants and would cost 9000 PPs to be 1x and to hit cyclops.

Lomoriond
09-03-2007, 03:43 AM
There is a 2.5x claidh weighted flamberge for 60m if you simply MUST hit magical critters... it's not too cost effective to try enchanting this one via premium points.

At 10m, it's a good weapon for the 95% of the mobs in the game that aren't magical.

And... someone buy it.

Lomoriond
09-03-2007, 04:14 AM
Just because I've explained this to two seperate people already, I figure I'll just post it and save myself the effort:

This is NOT just a fancy looking "1x oldstyle claidh"
It's a genuine WBS 7 with genuine claidhmore (40 phantom damage) weighting.

Why does that matter? What difference does ONE second make?

Well, I'll tell you.

The obvious advantage is that there are only THREE races capable of aiming a claidh in 6 seconds while there are NINE capable of aiming a flamberge in 6 seconds...

The REAL advantage here, however, is in mstrike roundtimes


Mstrike roundtimes go: (WBS + 1) + [(WBS/2) * (swings-1)] minus normal stats

Due to the fancy shmancy gemstone truncation mechanics... flamberges become 3 seconds per swing.


So your swing times (before applying stats) look like thus:

Swings ---- 2 - 3 - 4 - 5
Katana ---- 10 13 16 19
Flamberge-- 11 14 17 20
Claidhmore- 13 17 21 25


Minus your normal stat bonuses, of course --- (agi+dex)/15 -- rounded

So for a half krolvin with maxed agi/dex (-4) the mstrike table looks like thus:

Swings ---- 2 - 3 - 4 - 5
Katana ---- 6 9 12 15
Flamberge-- 7 10 13 16
Claidhmore- 9 13 17 21



Anyway you swing it, that's 1 second that really starts to add up


Only reason I don't like it is the -5 AS penalty... Just isn't going to fly with my burghal gnome, his AS is already too low!

Sooooo, BUY IT!

thefarmer
09-03-2007, 04:22 AM
Enchant Claidhmore or Claid weighted weapon
Enchant 0x-1x 4000+1000=5000
Enchant 1x-2x 4000+2000=6000
Enchant 2x-3x 4000+3000=7000
Enchant 3x-4x 4000+4000=8000
Enchant 4x-5x 4000+5000=9000
Enchant 5x-6x 4000+6000=10000
Enchant 6x-7x 4000+7000=11000
Enchant 7x-8x 4000+8000=12000
Enchant 8x-9x 4000+9000=13000
Enchant 9x-10x 4000+10000=14000

Generally an enchanter's mark can't stick to a 0x weapon, and due to the negative enchant, I am not 100% sure at all. I know the maul released at EG needed 2 enchants and would cost 9000 PPs to be 1x and to hit cyclops.


Did you add the 'Claid weighted weapon' part?

I could have sworn I've seen posts where it's been stated that only claids count for that cost and even if it's weighted like a claid it didn't count (points wise) like a claid? Again, I could be remembering the posts wrong.

Lomoriond
09-03-2007, 04:47 AM
I was under the impression that was the scale for all weighted weapons... not just claidhmore... is that incorrect?

Easy enough solution though, someone premium in landing shoot me an IM (gs4scious) and we can run it through pcalc

Lomoriond
09-03-2007, 05:13 AM
Pcalc indicates this does use the claidhmore weighting enchant cost scale

thefarmer
09-03-2007, 05:21 AM
Yep. I was wrong.

The Ponzzz
09-03-2007, 09:22 AM
Speed wise, the weapon is very amazing, and has the potiental if you want to spend the points to be a really kick ass weapon. While like you said, cost effective, you can get your hands on something else (a 3x claid for example would be a lot cheaper than the PPs needed to make this like a 3x claid), the weapon is still totally better than a claid.

If flamberges are your weapon and you prefer high end goodies, this weapon is a must have. I mean the MB for this can be made in less than a month for any serious high end consumer in GS.

Plus, it's wavy bitches!!

Lomoriond
09-03-2007, 01:56 PM
Plus, it's wavy bitches!!

Plus smoked like beef jerky! A MANLY MAN'S FLAMBERGE


Did I mention I'd take two hander, plate armor, premium point and/or small deformed infants for trades?

Don't make me dump this on some pathetic alt...

Lomoriond
09-03-2007, 05:39 PM
Flamberge is sold, thank you for the interest

Stanley Burrell
09-03-2007, 05:41 PM
It should get a glyph when you ET it from -5 to 0. Mebbe convey that to a GM in your alter scroll if you ever decide to mess around with the idea.

The Ponzzz
09-03-2007, 05:43 PM
Commission plz.