Go House Dreadnaught!

[Caramia]

Lyonis, hear the sound of laughter? That's everyone else who gets what Maimara, Jolena, and I are saying, that you can't seem to grasp. Or maybe you do, since you put a lot of energy into trying to obfuscate what I very clearly said, with twisted rhetoric and veiled insults.

P.S. I guess calling things out in bulleted item-points wasn't clear enough for you.

[Lyonis]

Originally posted by Lyonis
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What your not getting here is that this last argument had nothing to do about policy. It was about Maimara trying to justify her friend’s involvement in her conflicts, yet adamantly opposing House Dreadnaught’s involvement in conflicts regarding those in our House.

That statement summarizes my entire post. I have already conceded that getting involved with conflicts without consent, whether explicitly given or implied through RP, is wrong. The point that I have been making, that seems leaps and bounds over your head, is that if Maimara’s friends have consent they can get involved but if House Dreadnaught members get the same consent Maimara and you seem to think they cannot. It is this dual standard that I have an issue with. If you can admit that if House Dreadnaught Members are in the right if given this consent to enter in conflicts, then I have no issues with you and agree with you completely. I have shown humbleness and willingness to admit when I have been mistaken. What is sad is that when you are wrong you cannot do the same.

I understand that you and Maimara don’t like House Dreadnaught. Caramia you have been biased against my every statement since this thread started. I will give you more credit than Maimara though, I don’t imagine you foaming at the mouth blurting out expletives when you post. What you are doing is bringing up points that I have already admitted that I agree with.

As far as the veiled insults, I don’t think they were disguised at all. I thought it was clear that I believe you rode the short bus to school.

Lyonis,
House Dreadnaught

[Caramia]

I walked to school, Lyonis, but thanks for caring that I had transportation during my younger years! Fortunately, I drove to high school.

[Lyonis]

Originally posted by Caramia
I walked to school, Lyonis, but thanks for caring that I had transportation during my younger years! Fortunately, I drove to high school.

Well glad to see you actually have a sense of humor, that remark made me chuckle.

Lyonis,
House Dreadnaught

[Skirmisher]

Lyonis, the only one who it seems rode the short bus here is you.

That you can not see the difference in Sepher being right there (and even more shocking that he was being played by a different person) when your idiot squad started trouble and your boss and his single headed triumverate attacking with all the discretion and intelligence of a swarm of killer bees anytime they are irked is just sad.

[Lyonis]

Originally posted by Skirmisher
Lyonis, the only one who it seems rode the short bus here is you.

That you can not see the difference in Sepher being right there (and even more shocking that he was being played by a different person) when your idiot squad started trouble and your boss and his single headed triumverate attacking with all the discretion and intelligence of a swarm of killer bees anytime they are irked is just sad.

But if consent is given it's all okay according to policy. I'm sorry it makes you upset but your just going to have to deal with it.

Lyonis,
House Dreadnaught

[Skirmisher]

Originally posted by Lyonis
But if consent is given it's all okay according to policy. I'm sorry it makes you upset but your just going to have to deal with it.

Lyonis,
House Dreadnaught

Not so much.

I and I'm sure a number that grows daily will simply not interact with you in any way.

[Lyonis]

Originally posted by Skirmisher

Originally posted by Lyonis
But if consent is given it's all okay according to policy. I'm sorry it makes you upset but your just going to have to deal with it.

Lyonis,
House Dreadnaught

Not so much.

I and I'm sure a number that grows daily will simply not interact with you in any way.

Like I said, your just going to have to deal with it. It would appear that you have found the best way for you to personally deal with us. Now that we've gotten that out of way I guess we're done.

Lyonis,
House Dreadnaught

[Skirmisher]

Lyonis,

My character will not lower themselves to interact with yours and your ilk.

I, Denise, will however enjoy your continued posting as all you do is make it more and more clear just how pathetic your "house" is.

Please, do continue to post and educate us all as to what we must or must not do.

[GSTamral]

<<<
Obviously I wasted a lot of time going the intellectual route with you two, since it’s way over your heads. Thanks to the wonderful posts by Jolena, and the helpful explanation of that post by Tsa ‘ah, I think I have a much better understanding of how policy works when multi accounting is concerned.

What your not getting here is that this last argument had nothing to do about policy. It was about Maimara trying to justify her friend’s involvement in her conflicts, yet adamantly opposing House Dreadnaught’s involvement in conflicts regarding those in our House. I’m going to put this is layman’s terms so maybe it’s a little easier for you to swallow. Maimara is under the impression that my shit stinks and hers smells like roses. I’ve agreed that my shit does stink. All I’ve been arguing is that Maimara’s stinks too.

Seriously though, don’t feel bad that your not getting this Caramia. In all the classes that I ever took on argument structure and logic there were always people that couldn’t get it. I never understood why, its logic it should all make sense right? You and Maimara just happen to be those people that are just slightly below the grading curve. Do I hate you for it? Not one bit! I actually want to help you. So if either of you are in the Los Angeles area and would like a logic tutor you can IM me and we’ll make arrangements. I have experiences working not only with fellow college students but have also tutored reading and writing to ESL(English as a Second Language) children, so I should be able to be your one stop logic super shop. As a former friend of mine, your first lesson is free Beth. Just to show how fair I am, your first one is free too Caramia. I would never want to be accused of applying a standard only in one situation because it suits my needs.


Lyonis,
House Dreadnaught
>>>>

I have to admit, this one made me crack up. Lyonis, since you want to use this route, if you ever need tutoring in logic systems, system diagnostic flows, digital logic design, or any of these other classes you seem to be offering help in, it won't be free from me. You speak as though you are some highly educated, disciplined man, yet you are not. You have deeply flawed logic, a horrendously distorted sense of honor, and even if you left the army as a mobile infantry (the correct procedural term for rifleman, but you already knew that) then you ended your stint in the army as among the worst. Not even having made PFC. Staff Seargant, nothing.

You tout these absolutely basic classes that an idiot could pass as though this qualifies you to be some sort of super authority. You also write with an air of authority that a dog could see right through. And since you partition your having taken these classes and made these accomplishments as giving you the ultimate right to point right from wrong, I'll take a chapter from your book.

Maimara, by the power vested in me, having 2 fields medal winners in the family, and being 1 of only 14 people in the United States to be selected as a participant in both the World Junior Physics Olympiad and the Math Olympiad, and given the fact that my degree includes classes far beyond this basic bullshit Lyonis mentions, I hereby certify your common sense as correct. In fact, since these classes also make me some sort of god, and all this mumbo jumbo that has absolutely nothing to do with common sense and ethics and morality apparently means so much, I also designate that Lyonis is a bitch.

Oh, and I have some results back from my friends at Booz-Allen.

A co. 1-22 IN 4th ID U.S Army.
Captain Clarke
1SGLaw
Staff Seargant White

unless you served before 1977, this unit has never existed. There are no records of a Captain Clark, or a Captain Clarke among any of the officer ranks in the 4th Infantry Division. The closest to this name were Captain Anthony A. Sklar and Captain Marcus "Mark" K. Clint. There were 6 occurences of a NCO Srg. White in this division, most recently from the service period of May 1998 until June 2001.

As for the dumb desk fucks who work as supervisors, I can assure you that UPS employs many people who have served in the military, many of whom now work in the corporate world. As for them being dumb desk fucks, some of those dumb desk fucks actually participated in the first war in Iraq, with others eventually becoming officers in the Armed Forces.

And of all these people, you'd never catch a single one even think of something so stupid as:

"If you aren't cheating, you aren't trying hard enough"

P.S. Just in case you can't spell (which is a possibility in confusing things so similar as Sklar and Clarke), which airborne division is located on your base?

[Betheny]

Hey, Lyonis.

Don't make me dig up some IM's to post here just to prove how you really type.

You aren't arguing shit, I'm right, you're wrong, so why don't you do us all a favor and STFU and go suck Sabreon's dick elsewhere. Thanks.

[Betheny]

Originally posted by GSTamral
Maimara, by the power vested in me, having 2 fields medal winners in the family, and being 1 of only 14 people in the United States to be selected as a participant in both the World Junior Physics Olympiad and the Math Olympiad, and given the fact that my degree includes classes far beyond this basic bullshit Lyonis mentions, I hereby certify your common sense as correct. In fact, since these classes also make me some sort of god, and all this mumbo jumbo that has absolutely nothing to do with common sense and ethics and morality apparently means so much, I also designate that Lyonis is a bitch.


:thumbsup:

He just keeps dragging it out because his pride is hurt that I'm not going to kiss his ass or try to remain his friend anymore. Why? The way he acts here? Why did I ever bother defending his stupid ass in the first place? I have no idea. But rest assured that mistake won't be made again.

[Lyonis]

Tamral so glad your back!!!! We’ve been waiting for you to come and duel so don’t puss out.

On to my service record. I left the Army as Spec. Kirk in the summer of 2002. Either you didn’t look up anything or you are mistaken. There is no airborne unit at Ft.Hood, there may have been previously but not while I was there. As far as 1-22 IN(1st Battalion 22nd Infantry Regiment since you might need that explained), they have a long legacy that goes back well over a hundred years so they definitely exist. When you look it up, make sure you specify 1st Battalion because I believe 2nd battalion is part of the 10th Mountain Division, though I could be mistaken. The 4th Infantry Division has only been recently reactivated since its service in Vietnam which would probably explain your BS about the 1970’s. Now that we have that straight let’s move on to other topics.

As far as logic goes, your supposedly extensive knowledge of computer logic is irrelevant to this discussion as is my service record. I am not a highly educated man, just a ex soldier who just transferred as a Junior to Cal State Los Angeles as a business major. Though I do have several semesters worth of logic courses under my belt as well as an extensive preparation course for the LSAT. While you may be better educated let’s review Maimara’s argument.

Maimara says that her brother has an IC reason to participate in her conflicts therefore Sepher has the right to intervene.

She basically said that if you have A then B follows.

Now onto House Dreadnaught

House Dreadnaught has an IC reason to participate in it’s members conflicts, this is something that cannot be argued. Now according to the same logic Maimara used in her argument then House Dreadnaught has the right to intervene. Yet Maimara, and now you contend that this is false.

Where previously A led to B, now if you have A you don’t get B. Either they have no relation and Maimara’s original argument holds no weight, or my substitution of House Dreadnaught for Sepher makes it clear that we have the same right as her brother does.

Tamral if you want to talk offline to me about my service record we can. Since I see this is going to be a ongoing issue with you until this is cleared up IM me at ck1110722 and we can make arrangements for me to show you a copy of my DD214.

Lyonis,
House Dreadnaught

[Betheny]

No.

A: If your House members were standing in the room and witness to/participating in the escalation of a conflict, then you'd be right.

But guess what. THEY WEREN'T ANYWHERE NEAR THERE, T HEY WERE IN A DIFFERENT TOWN.

And they didn't come up to me and talk to me, they CAME UP AND KILLED ME. It took me 30 minutes to even figure out who they were and why it happened. All I knew is that three guys, one of them with a similar name to a guy I had had a roleplayed conflict with several weeks prior, and all of t hem having nearly identical last names, attacked me for no reason.

And when I say for no reason, I mean they had no reason, because there was absolutely no reason for them to come after me at all.

In Sepher's case, his involvement was perfectly legitimate. He was standing right there, and they approached Maimara, who didn't even acknowledge their presence. But Sepher was -right there- and those idiots consented to his involvement.

I'm right, you're wrong.

At this time, I would like to end my rant and reiterate that the Dreadnaught Cock Sucking contest needs to go elsewhere.

[Lyonis]

Maimara, I’ve already told you that I agree that what Sabreon did to you was wrong. I don’t know how else to say this but it was wrong. I am in total agreement with Sepher backing you up, I think that is a perfectly honorable thing to do. All I am saying is that if we follow the rules and obey the normal CvC policies then we can participate in each other’s conflicts. As long as we have an IC reason and we do things with the consent of those involved then we have done no wrong. I don’t see why this is such a problem. If the standard applies to you then the same standard applies to us.

Lyonis,
House Dreadnaught

[Myrianna]

Lyonis, you're assuming that the other house members BOTHER to get CONSENT... which they do not... if they did, you are correct. But from what I have seen here, they don't.

[Lyonis]

Originally posted by Myrianna
Lyonis, you're assuming that the other house members BOTHER to get CONSENT... which they do not... if they did, you are correct. But from what I have seen here, they don't.

I have assumed nothing. You have assumed that they don't. I have only said that if we do then we have the same rights as everyone else.

Lyonis,
House Dreadnaught

[Myrianna]

You assume that they do by saying they should have the same rights as everyone else. (I assume when someone ignores a person completely, that it's not consent to start crap with them)

[Lyonis]

Originally posted by Myrianna
You assume that they do by saying they should have the same rights as everyone else. (I assume when someone ignores a person completely, that it's not consent to start crap with them)

Are you saying that the standards should not be applied equally?

Lyonis,
House Dreadnaught

[Betheny]

He still doesn't get it.

UNLESS THEY WERE STANDING THERE AND PARTY TO THE CONFLICT'S ESCALATION OR CONCLUSION THEY HAVE NO RIGHT OR REASON UNLESS GIVEN EXPRESS PERMISSION TO DO SO TO GET INVOLVED.

THIS IS WHY YOU ARE WRONG, SIR, DEAD WRONG, LIKE ROTTEN HOT DOGS.

[Lyonis]

Oh and if anyone would like a copy of my DD214 to verify my time of service, with the SSN and my home address blocked of course, please feel free to IM me as well.

Lyonis,
House Dreadnaught

[Lyonis]

Originally posted by Lyonis
Maimara, I’ve already told you that I agree that what Sabreon did to you was wrong. I don’t know how else to say this but it was wrong. I am in total agreement with Sepher backing you up, I think that is a perfectly honorable thing to do. All I am saying is that if we follow the rules and obey the normal CvC policies then we can participate in each other’s conflicts. As long as we have an IC reason and we do things with the consent of those involved then we have done no wrong. I don’t see why this is such a problem. If the standard applies to you then the same standard applies to us.

Lyonis,
House Dreadnaught

........

Lyonis,
House Dreadnaught

[Betheny]

There is no same standard for you guys! JESUS CHRIST

THERE IS NO 'IF YOU OBEY POLICY' BECAUSE YOU PEOPLE NEVER DO

[Lyonis]

Originally posted by Maimara
There is no same standard for you guys! JESUS CHRIST

THERE IS NO 'IF YOU OBEY POLICY' BECAUSE YOU PEOPLE NEVER DO

Okay play devil’s advocate with me Maimara. If we did obey policy and received consent before entering conflicts then would be right?

Lyonis,
House Dreadnaught

[Betheny]

And you keep forgetting that no matter what IC reason you have, if you guys do b usiness like you always do (calling in your homies) you still have to get concent from the other party. And I bet you that you won't get it, and you'll do what you were going to do anyway, because your House is like that, and that's like... their mission statement. "To be annoying fucktards and OOC twits until the day we die."

[Betheny]

Originally posted by Lyonis
Okay play devil’s advocate with me Maimara. If we did obey policy and received consent before entering conflicts then would be right?

Lyonis,
House Dreadnaught

If you followed policy and gained consent for your t hird (and fourth, fifth, and sixth) party to get involved, then yes.

[Lyonis]

Originally posted by Maimara

Originally posted by Lyonis
Okay play devil’s advocate with me Maimara. If we did obey policy and received consent before entering conflicts then would be right?

Lyonis,
House Dreadnaught

If you followed policy and gained consent for your t hird (and fourth, fifth, and sixth) party to get involved, then yes.

That's all I wanted to hear. I argued for the House unil I found out that we were in violation of policy. I then admitted that I was wrong and apologized. So now that's out of the way.

Lyonis,
House Dreadnaught

[GSTamral]

Lyonis, you miss the point.

The fact that my education level is what it is has NOTHING to do with this issue.

Neither does any supposed military background you have.

This is about simple right and wrong.

This is about a house that thinks it can do whatever it wishes, get involved and butt into other people's business as it pleases, and then make assertive statements of third party consent when no such thing is present.

This is about a person who, on command, brings 3 different characters in to harass people on a whim because of an infantile gang mentality.

if I have a problem with Sabreon, it immediately brings Mistros, Kolts and the whole house into the situation. Even if my problem is only with Sabreon. That's not a house. That's not anything but a fight club.

I'm having a talk with members of my in game family about how I dislike Sabreon and his house on the boat to Ta'Vaalor. One of his 35 characters was on the boat. After I left the boat, he immediately contacts me in the form of Mistros to explain how irrelevant I am. He then refuses to leave me alone, despite repeatedly asking him to fuck off.

Here's logic for you
1) If I am irrelevant, why harass me?
2) If my opinion doesnt mean anything to him, why does he continue talking to me and aggravating me?

answer:
Extreme insecurity, and a lack of self worth. It also shows a lack of discipline, and a lack of his mind's ability to perform basic structurally functional thoughts. This echoes through his leadership and associates itself to every member of the organization. Had he simply shut the fuck up, he would not be instigating things any further. This thread wouldn't exist. But he didn't, because he can't. Hell, this animosity wouldn't exist had you not gone out and made that other flame thread about me which was deleted. But you did. Even when wrong, you need the last word to explain that it wasn't your fault.

Had you properly served in the military, you should have known this type of shit doesn't fly past high school. Your attitude made more enemies than friends through this thread, and many I have shown it to basically agree that even if you were right, your attitude was wrong.

Your education in logic controls is irrelevant here. Your military records are equally so.

My education level is irrelevant here, thus the sarcasm in my last post. Don't confuse logic with common sense. The more you choose to further conflicts with other people, the more you piss them off. The more people you piss off, the greater their ability to network and communicate and make others dislike you before they even meet you.

If I come and have a problem with you and kill you, and then you send out a bunch of goons to get me, you may think you have won because I can't kill them back. BUT I can certainly spread word of mouth, and in a game setting such as gemstone, where there are those who have been around for many years and know many people, and others people have grown to learn and trust through gatherings, their word, even if flawed, carries more weight than anything you can say. Word of mouth can be the most damaging thing out there.

What baffles me, in honesty, is that you seem to question why your house is hated by many, even though you explain the very reason, albeit from your point of view. You think people should be happy that your house is built on the foundation of multi-accounting and ganging up on people who have issues with individual house members? Where's the logic in that?

[Lyonis]

Well I'm glad that we've at least come to an understanding. Now can you please IM me so I can show you my discharge. I only think that's fair that the time I serve be recognized since you claimed I never did.

Lyonis,
House Dreadnaught

[Betheny]

Originally posted by Lyonis
Well I'm glad that we've at least come to an understanding. Now can you please IM me so I can show you my discharge. I only think that's fair that the time I serve be recognized since you claimed I never did.

Lyonis,
House Dreadnaught

I don't think it's fair for you to get people to fight your battles for you in a game.

[Skirmisher]

Originally posted by Lyonis
Well I'm glad that we've at least come to an understanding. Now can you please IM me so I can show you my discharge. I only think that's fair that the time I serve be recognized since you claimed I never did.

Lyonis,
House Dreadnaught

Is english your first language?

I swear you l hear what you wish and interpret the rest in a way different than intended.

No one here gives a damn if you were in the armed forces or not. You could be Colin Powell and it wouldn't make your house any less a piece of garbage.

If you have such disdain for the opinion of those who post here and those who co-exist in gemstone with you why do you bother trying to defend the actions of the-three-stoges-rolled-into-one in charge of your would be house?

Abandon the sinking ship already man.

[Lyonis]

Originally posted by Skirmisher

Is english your first language?

I swear you l hear what you wish and interpret the rest in a way different than intended.

No one here gives a damn if you were in the armed forces or not. You could be Colin Powell and it wouldn't make your house any less a piece of garbage.

If you have such disdain for the opinion of those who post here and those who co-exist in gemstone with you why do you bother trying to defend the actions of the-three-stoges-rolled-into-one in charge of your would be house?

Abandon the sinking ship already man.

Thank you for agreeing with Tamral and myself that my time in the armed forces was irrelevant. We both came to that conclusion ourselves and it’s been posted. I fail to see what new insight you’ve brought to that issue but if it makes you happy you’ve been recognized.

Why I bother defending House Dreadnaught is also something that has been posted many times before. They’re my friends, they’ve been good to me, and what kind of friend would I be if I let people I didn’t know influence that. The real reason is because I want to defend them. Which is also the reason why you are posting against me, because you want to.

You speak of disdain for those that play the game and post here, I play the game and post here. I have just as much a right to believe what I believe as do you. If your expecting an apology for you getting upset by my posts, just sit there and hold your breath, it’s going to be a while. The day I force you to read what I’ve written, is the day I’ll apologize for you being upset by it.

Lyonis,
House Dreadnaught

[StrayRogue]

I agree Lyonis. While I may disagree with what you think or believe, its your life: Believe and think what you want. Only when you start forcing it on other people, does it become something that should be stopped (AKA religion)

[Lyonis]

Originally posted by StrayRogue
I agree Lyonis. While I may disagree with what you think or believe, its your life: Believe and think what you want. Only when you start forcing it on other people, does it become something that should be stopped (AKA religion)

Now that was a fair response and it shows a lot about your character.

Lyonis,
House Dreadnaught