What server

[Solkern]

Do you all play on and are you alliance of horde?

[Parkbandit]

There's a few of us on Dunemaul, horde side. There used to be a large contingent of Carebears on the Ardent Dawn server, alliance side... but no idea if they are still there.

[Skeeter]

Pretty much I'm the only person left on the Argent Dawn server.

[Parkbandit]

Loser. Come to Dunemaul where we can gank you and make fun of you.

[Skeeter]

I would if they would let me transfer. I have too much invested in AD to change. Freaking years of raiding FTL

[Parkbandit]

Big deal. Once BC came out, it pretty much voided out all of your investment.

Come to Dunemaul and join our twink guild "Cobra Kai". We're making a twinked out 39 guild.

[Methais]

Do you all play on and are you alliance of horde?

I play on Eredar (pvp, horde) with some old GS people...Xeniphite, Krovax, Xinister, Xanatos, and a handful of others whose GS names I can't remember. Me and Xeniphite pvp/arena a lot, the others are mostly carebears that do 10 arena matches a week then go back to raiding. I also play on Alleria (pve, alliance).


I would if they would let me transfer. I have too much invested in AD to change. Freaking years of raiding FTL

They won't let you transfer to a pvp server from a non-pvp server.


Come to Dunemaul and join our twink guild "Cobra Kai".

Are you going to be naming your members after all the Cobra Kai guys from karate kid? If not, you should.

[Sean of the Thread]

Big deal. Once BC came out, it pretty much voided out all of your investment.

Come to Dunemaul and join our twink guild "Cobra Kai". We're making a twinked out 39 guild.

Now you say that after I JUST decided to level up my 39 twink yesterday.

[Skeeter]

leveling sucks so bad too. I'm holding out till Warhammer shows up.

[grapedog]

Leveling is so fucking easy in WoW....holy christ. Thats a shitty excuse....

Not wanting to leave your friends or guild, not having any money...those are acceptable...but not wanting to spend a tiny amount of time to level a character is weak. You don't even have to grind...there are so many quests out there that you can just bang out.

[oldanforgotten]

Mal?Ganis.

4 nights of raiding, and 1 night of griefing garbage guilds still running karazhan a week. There is nothing more entertaining than preventing some idiots from being able to get inside kara by ganking them over and over again. Yes, I realize this makes me an asshole.

I used to do more arenas until I realized that raiding gear was better for pvp than arena gear anyway, and I don?t care for getting welfare epics. Pre-Season 3 epics are for people who blow at raiding.
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[Trouble]

Leveling is so fucking easy in WoW....holy christ. Thats a shitty excuse....

Not wanting to leave your friends or guild, not having any money...those are acceptable...but not wanting to spend a tiny amount of time to level a character is weak. You don't even have to grind...there are so many quests out there that you can just bang out.

It depends on the server, the faction, and the class. On Dunemaul you will get ganked a lot. Supposedly it isn't as bad nowdays as it was before BC, but questing in Tarren Mill and STV on a PvP server sucks. Even Hellfire is a prime spot for ganking now as flying mounts make it that much easier.

[Skeeter]

Leveling is so fucking easy in WoW....holy christ. Thats a shitty excuse....

Not wanting to leave your friends or guild, not having any money...those are acceptable...but not wanting to spend a tiny amount of time to level a character is weak. You don't even have to grind...there are so many quests out there that you can just bang out.

I didn't mean it was hard, I meant it was fucking boring as hell.

[Trouble]

I used to do more arenas until I realized that raiding gear was better for pvp than arena gear anyway, and I don’t care for getting welfare epics. Pre-Season 3 epics are for people who blow at raiding.
What about resilience? Isn't that the solution to PvP now? I don't pvp so I dunno, but it seems like not being able to be critted would be handy.

[Parkbandit]

Are you going to be naming your members after all the Cobra Kai guys from karate kid? If not, you should.

We have some in the guild that are, but I don't want to roll up another toon, so I'm just reworking one of my old toons I got to 28. Bullchip the druid. He will be a monster WSG flag runner. Boarspeed for inside and catform+talents for outside.

[grapedog]

I didn't mean it was hard, I meant it was fucking boring as hell.

Yeah, I would agree with that...

Do you have a bigger picture of your avatar you could post by the way...?

[Skeeter]

You could google someone named Christina Model. But I wont link any sites since I have enough pts on my account.

[Sean of the Thread]

Avoid the sites where she's cramming a miller light bottle up her twat if you're at work.

[Skeeter]

When did it change from topless soft core? I've never even seen a pic of her twat.

[Asha]

Avoid the sites where she's cramming a miller light bottle up her twat if you're at work.

Miiller light?
Classy.

[Skeeter]

I'm still thinking Sean2 is confused, though I imagine his pr0n collection is epic.

[oldanforgotten]

What about resilience? Isn't that the solution to PvP now? I don't pvp so I dunno, but it seems like not being able to be critted would be handy.


Resilience can help in a one on one situation, sure. But unless you are in 2v2 arena situations, you are rarely in 1 on 1 situations. Secondly, other than the weapons, (of which the best ones are still coming from instances, anyway), the sheer damage output you?ll get from PvE epics more than outweigh the usual max 10% less crits, 20% less crit damage. In say, a 5v5 situation, inevitable, some people on each side will be CC?d at the start of the fight. Usually the first ones to get CC?d are the healers, or the people on the other side who can CC. And when it comes to a DPS race, Hyjal/TK/BT gear >>>>>>>>>>>> Lolarena season 2, with the extra stam and resilience.

If you want to see what the true difference is, watch a LOLmage in arena epics try and compete in DPS against a raid arcane/fire or deep fire mage in T5. In the right combination of raid gear, your regular hits will hit almost as hard as their crits. There is a distinct reason why arena epics are called welfare epics. My 2v2 team has hit a 2200 rating before, and still easily holds 2000+ despite the fact that we usually end up arenaing now with raid specs in raid gear.

It?s further and further proof that arena epics were created for casual players and bad players. Good players can get them faster, but the primary concern was to ensure casual players and bad players could still get stuff.

The raiding in BC is definitely a bit more class based, and while I won?t say it has the hardest fights, the average boss fights seem to be more difficult. Whereas prior to BC, any 40 people could go through MC, Ony and most of BWL, I don?t see any old 25 idiots getting through Vashj or Kael?Thalas so easily. Reliquary of Souls/Mother Shahraz is almost up on par with the 4 Horsemen.

The rewards for raiding continue to also be superior to PvP epics. Whereas PvP epics are utterly and ridiculously useless in raiding, the PvE epics continue to be on par or better than the PvP rewards when it comes to PvP.

Some people genuinely prefer PvP, and it gives them a way to compete with raiders in PvP. But if anyone tries to tell you they are doing arena?s for loot, that?s a red flag that clearly states ?Hi, my name is <their name>. I suck ass at raiding, and this is the only way I can feasibly gear up?
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[Sean of the Thread]

I'm still thinking Sean2 is confused, though I imagine his pr0n collection is epic.

Showed up on the first page of search for her name.

[Skeeter]

LOL I see what you're talking about now. That's not the same chick.

[Methais]

Avoid the sites where she's cramming a miller light bottle up her twat if you're at work.

Link please :lol:

[Methais]

But if anyone tries to tell you they are doing arena’s for loot, that’s a red flag that clearly states “Hi, my name is <their name>. I suck ass at raiding, and this is the only way I can feasibly gear up”

You forgot to include, "Hi, my name is <their name>. I have better things to do than spend all my free time raiding."

Though someone who truly sucks at raiding would have to have the stupidity level of Warclaidhm or Haashek.

[Atlanteax]

Emerald Dream ... hybrid RP-PvP server with the better halves of both worlds.

[oldanforgotten]

You forgot to include, "Hi, my name is <their name>. I have better things to do than spend all my free time raiding."

Though someone who truly sucks at raiding would have to have the stupidity level of Warclaidhm or Haashek.


I would say, of the people who are active in WoW, 15-18 hours a week of play isn?t all that out of the ordinary. I think I average around 20 or so. 15 hours a week of raids, and 5 hours of farming. I don?t consider that to be all my free time. As for sucking at raiding, no, I would say about 80% of the players suck at raiding, 17% are marginal, and maybe 3% can truly cut it. 40 man raids were famous for masking 20 people who positively stunk the place up, until C?thun/Naxx. Considering we?ve 22 manned Vashj, and we?re by no means the best raiding guild on the server, I?d say Vashj can afford, at most 5 pieces of dead weight. Kael?Thalas, Azer, and Reliquary of Souls allow for 0 people to suck, since everyone has to be participating or the raid wipes.

Most of the people who say LOLZ I have L33T DPS, are usually barely able to put out 750-800 at best, which is, honestly, utter ass.

Rogue: 1300-1500 DPS depending on spec (combat mace/fist/sword/dagger)
Mage: 1100 DPS
Warlock: 1300
Fury Warrior: 1500
MM Hunter: 1500
Ret Paladin: 900
MS/BloodFrenzy Warrior: 1000
Enhance Shaman: 1100
Survival Hunter: 1300

If you can?t sustain that number in a tank and spank fight, then you can effectively know you can?t cut it.
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[Tsa`ah]

A few of the nicer things that happened with BC is that it's not really necessary to raid to get good gear.

Many of the crafted items, and sets, are as good as most of what is offered in the raid sets.

The PvP rewards are also on par.

If raiding isn't your thing, just pick a trade or trades that best compliment your class and grind out the 5 man instances for the nethers required to make the better end of things ... then PvP to fill in the voids.

On the original question ... what server ... join Dunemaul alliance side and post your toon's name here.

[DeV]

join Dunemaul alliance side and post your toon's name here.lol :yes:

[grapedog]

Lets not pigeon hole people who don't like raiding as sucking at it. Some people, myself included, just find it fucking boring as shit. Some people, myself included, find it to be a broken end game mechanic to keep people busy and paying a monthly fee. I'll pass thanks...at leave PvP requires a fucking brain. Raiding is SOOOOO boring....

[oldanforgotten]

A few of the nicer things that happened with BC is that it's not really necessary to raid to get good gear.

Many of the crafted items, and sets, are as good as most of what is offered in the raid sets.

The PvP rewards are also on par.

If raiding isn't your thing, just pick a trade or trades that best compliment your class and grind out the 5 man instances for the nethers required to make the better end of things ... then PvP to fill in the voids.

On the original question ... what server ... join Dunemaul alliance side and post your toon's name here.


If by nice things you mean they are purple sure. The tailoring sets get you slightly better than T4 quality things, but the basic trainer crafted patterns don?t hold a candle to anything down the line. The Blacksmithing ones will get you either one TK/SSC endboss quality weapon, or a BT quality piece of armor, but in terms of the truly nice things, they only come via raiding. Yes, its purple. No, it?s not really good gear.

If you pvp in tailored gear and pvp epics against someone in T5 and up, you might as well be dueling someone 10 levels above you. You?ll end up just /wrist after a few tries.

The same problem from pre-BC exists now. The best gear is still all in the instances, and while they are easier to get, the only reason people don?t see the still massive disparity in quality is because most guilds are still working on progression, and haven?t gotten their T5 and 6 sets filled out yet. Once that happens, expect the same as before.
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[oldanforgotten]

Lets not pigeon hole people who don't like raiding as sucking at it. Some people, myself included, just find it fucking boring as shit. Some people, myself included, find it to be a broken end game mechanic to keep people busy and paying a monthly fee. I'll pass thanks...at leave PvP requires a fucking brain. Raiding is SOOOOO boring....

PvP requires a brain yes. To say raiding doesn?t however, illustrates that you simply don?t like it. PvP is generally more reactive. However, unless you are behind the curve on raiding and just reading wowwiki to get through the bosses, raiding certainly does require a brain, and requires 25 of them. Sure, some of the bosses are simple tank and spank + retard checks, but many of them are extremely difficult that even once on farm require a lot of playing around, and still cause wipes.

PvP epics are welfare epics so the general playing public can still get purple loot, some of it actually decent. It is also the path of least resistance, because in the end, no skill or brain is required to get those epics. Yes, a brain is needed to be good at PvP. But no brain is required to get the PvP epics. No brain is required to get up to Vashj, or Kael?Thalas, but a brain is required to get past them.
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[grapedog]

Eh...gear doesn't make the game. there were many times where I would be wearing greens/blues and killing people with purples.

Purples are over-rated in PvP if you suck. I can only remember one time ever that I just got rocked by someone in gear. It was a warsong gultch match where the horde side was running the flag back and forth with a warrior wearing I think it was the Might set. The mother fucker could take some hits...he was probably one of the best dmg takers I ever saw, and I've killed a LOT of people. I was truely impressed by how much dmg he could take/mitigate...having 9 people on his team run around healing/spelling him up didn't hurt...but just trying to do dmg to him...unreal.

So yeah, skill is still the deciding factor. I've killed plenty of raiders who got their gear in order to start PvPing and they just suck and suck for long period of time...probably wondering why with the good gear they have, are they getting beat up by people in blues and greens.

[Tsa`ah]

If by nice things you mean they are purple sure. The tailoring sets get you slightly better than T4 quality things, but the basic trainer crafted patterns don’t hold a candle to anything down the line. The Blacksmithing ones will get you either one TK/SSC endboss quality weapon, or a BT quality piece of armor, but in terms of the truly nice things, they only come via raiding. Yes, its purple. No, it’s not really good gear.

If you pvp in tailored gear and pvp epics against someone in T5 and up, you might as well be dueling someone 10 levels above you. You’ll end up just /wrist after a few tries.

The same problem from pre-BC exists now. The best gear is still all in the instances, and while they are easier to get, the only reason people don’t see the still massive disparity in quality is because most guilds are still working on progression, and haven’t gotten their T5 and 6 sets filled out yet. Once that happens, expect the same as before.

Did you join up to talk out of your ass or something? 55 posts so far and not much worth reading.

My shadow priest in that shitty trainer purple gear has tore up enough alliance in t4-5 to make it pretty obvious that gear only gets one so far.

Since my knowledge of crafted armor is contained to the realm of tailoring and leatherworking ... I will say there are plenty of boe patterns out that produce epic armor pieces that will let anyone with at least a little bit of talent hold their own against a raid scrub in t4 and 5.

The one thing you tend to forget is that hardcore raiders are, and rightly so, less than average PvPers for the most part. If not for their gear ... they wouldn't be generic quality ass wipe. Which would explain the trail of t4-5 alliance corpses I could put on my resume.

You've got an awfully large e-peen to stroke for someone who has been on this board for a mere 14 days.

[grapedog]

PvP requires a brain yes. To say raiding doesn’t however, illustrates that you simply don’t like it. PvP is generally more reactive. However, unless you are behind the curve on raiding and just reading wowwiki to get through the bosses, raiding certainly does require a brain, and requires 25 of them. Sure, some of the bosses are simple tank and spank + retard checks, but many of them are extremely difficult that even once on farm require a lot of playing around, and still cause wipes.

PvP epics are welfare epics so the general playing public can still get purple loot, some of it actually decent. It is also the path of least resistance, because in the end, no skill or brain is required to get those epics. Yes, a brain is needed to be good at PvP. But no brain is required to get the PvP epics. No brain is required to get up to Vashj, or Kael’Thalas, but a brain is required to get past them.

Maybe the class leaders in a raid need a brain, or the 3-5 decision makers need a brain. Everyone else is a replacable cog in the machine. As long he doesn't stray from his exact role...it's no brain required. I've long been a proponent of getting rid of 40 and 25 man instances. No one does them for fun...people do them for the gear. But people do 5 and 10 man instances for fun.

Get rid of the 25-40 man crap, lower it down to say 15 man max...and keep the encounters interesting and difficult. There is nothing you can put into a 25 or 40 man that can't be re-tuned and just as much of a challenge in a 10 or 15 man.

The only difference between the two is getting 25-40 to cooperate for 4-5 hours which I will grant you isn't necessarily the easiest thing in the world to do. Thats about the one thing I would say that those larger instances have over the smaller ones in difficulty. Of course, thats also because so many people are retarded...but thats another discussion.

[oldanforgotten]

Eh...gear doesn't make the game. there were many times where I would be wearing greens/blues and killing people with purples.

Purples are over-rated in PvP if you suck. I can only remember one time ever that I just got rocked by someone in gear. It was a warsong gultch match where the horde side was running the flag back and forth with a warrior wearing I think it was the Might set. The mother fucker could take some hits...he was probably one of the best dmg takers I ever saw, and I've killed a LOT of people. I was truely impressed by how much dmg he could take/mitigate...having 9 people on his team run around healing/spelling him up didn't hurt...but just trying to do dmg to him...unreal.

So yeah, skill is still the deciding factor. I've killed plenty of raiders who got their gear in order to start PvPing and they just suck and suck for long period of time...probably wondering why with the good gear they have, are they getting beat up by people in blues and greens.

And that was old world in the Might set. That same warrior could easily have been 2 shot by a mage in AQ40/Naxx gear. A warrior in the T3 sets could push 10k HP buffed. Try taking that down. But a mage in that AQ gear might take a while doing it, but could do it reasonably reliably.

As for Tsa?ah, you?re doing the e-peen stroke yourself with all your claimed kills. A fury warrior or rogue in T5/T6 with a DST could pop a couple smaller cooldowns (like a death wish/blade flurry) and kill you inside of 5 seconds, even with a bubble, before you ever get the chance to get that kicked/pummeled shadow school back. T4 is nothing special. The crafting sets are supposed to be equivalent and in some cases better than T4. Sure if you catch someone fighting someone else and start it up, you can do some damage and kill em. But if it?s really all gear and nothing more as you say, why are most of the top arena teams from top tier raiding guilds?

Better yet, at Blizzcon, for the competition of the TOP arena teams, you take a look at those guild tags. You look at other than a few pieces, they all wear raiding gear? Hrmmmm, interesting. Yea, its all gear, because you would obviously pwn these people in equal gear amirite?
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[Tsa`ah]

As for Tsa’ah, you’re doing the e-peen stroke yourself with all your claimed kills. A fury warrior or rogue in T5/T6 with a DST could pop a couple smaller cooldowns (like a death wish/blade flurry) and kill you inside of 5 seconds, even with a bubble, before you ever get the chance to get that kicked/pummeled shadow school back. T4 is nothing special. The crafting sets are supposed to be equivalent and in some cases better than T4. Sure if you catch someone fighting someone else and start it up, you can do some damage and kill em. But if it’s really all gear and nothing more as you say, why are most of the top arena teams from top tier raiding guilds?

In world PvP it's all about who gets the jump. Gear matters little unless you're in all green.

Anyone jumping me while I'm engaged in combat is likely to drop me. Same if I jump someone in combat. Easily 7 out of 10 times the person doing the jumping is going to come out on top ... unless they decide to jump an affliction lock.

In cases where combat with mobs isn't involved, it's coming down to skill. I've drop enoughed teir clad toons to say again, gear gets you only so far.

Why are the TOP arena teams in raid gear? Ever play WSG when it first opened? The top teams that won WSG day in and day were clad in T-1 and T-2 gear. There wasn't much competition for them because very few were in it. Gear won over ability every time.

It's no different now. How many arenas have you done? I don't see any tiered gear in 2v2, I rarely see it in 5v5. When I do, those teams decked out in it will win because of the slant ... and they usually barely win.

The top teams are in T-5 because that was their goal. They would probably be the top teams in pure PvP rewards. The gear has nearly nothing to do with their rankings ... but everything to do with how they got the ranking.


amirite?

No

[Nieninque]

I see most of the top teams wearing mostly PvP gear, so I dont know wtf OAF (nice acronym btw) is on about.

Edited to add: I was looking for popular arena specs for my priest earlier, using the Armory to see what the top rated priests were specced like, and EVERYONE I looked at (priests or otherwise) were wearing full PvP gear, with the exception of trinkets and rings. I was of course, looking at 5v5 and not 2v2 (which is pretty much a game of rock, paper, scissors when you look at how far up the ladder a team is going to get).

There is a reason PvP gear and resilience was put in the game, and it wasnt a bone for the spacks who cant mash buttons in a raid.

[Keller]

I think OAF will be the first poster I will put on ignore.

What a fucking load of pretentious drivel.

He's obviously never played a priest in an arena setting. I don't give a fuck what your int/spirit is, if you don't have the stamina and resilience to live through a rocket-mage blasting you with MS-debuff.

GG wasting your life raiding.

[grapedog]

PvP is where it's at...