Redux and spells

[Stretch]

Any research done on how many spells you can get without a negative impact on redux?

I've heard anywhere from 4 to 10 spells at cap.

[Anebriated]

its like 1 spell every 20 levels, i cant remember anymore.

[Bobmuhthol]

Yeah, 1 spell every 20 levels, every spell over that is -x points and it's always 0 at 2x spells.

[Latrinsorm]

The closest I've come is the following:

The penalty is step based. The first step (no penalty) is trunc(level/20), so at cap you can get 5 spells without penalty. Each step following is 2 more, so at cap the second step (first penalty) is 7 more spells, or up to 12 total.

Each penalty is 1/13 of the current redux value. Thus, if your character had .500 RF before spells, he'd have .462 after the first penalty.

It's important to note that I haven't had enough data to legitimately say this is the way it works. However, it is the only thing I've found that's somewhat reasonable and fits the data. The only problem is that obviously it's not going to result in 0 at 2x. For instance, for the cap value cited above you'd end up with .191 RF at 2x spells. My preferred guesses are that the 2x rule is either a statement about opportunity costs or a binary switch in the code (2x spells = 0 redux).

[Bobmuhthol]

If I had to guess, I would say that it is most likely a defined statement that 2x spells = 0 redux, otherwise it would have to be integrated with some pretty f'd up complexity for the system to actually make sense.

[Stretch]

So, someone help me figure out roughly where I stand. In full plate.




In an awe inspiring display of combat mastery, a triton radical engages you in a furious dance macabre, spiralling into a blur of strikes and ripostes!
A triton radical thrusts with a corroded bronze scaling fork at you!
AS: +430 vs DS: +366 with AvD: +32 + d100 roll: +68 = +164
... and hits for 14 points of damage!
Minor puncture to the abdomen.

A triton radical thrusts with a corroded bronze scaling fork at you!
AS: +430 vs DS: +366 with AvD: +32 + d100 roll: +79 = +175
... and hits for 15 points of damage!
Minor puncture to the left leg.

A triton radical thrusts with a corroded bronze scaling fork at you!
AS: +430 vs DS: +358 with AvD: +32 + d100 roll: +89 = +193
... and hits for 15 points of damage!
Broken finger on your left hand!

A triton radical thrusts with a corroded bronze scaling fork at you!
AS: +430 vs DS: +356 with AvD: +32 + d100 roll: +79 = +185
... and hits for 15 points of damage!
Minor puncture to the left arm.

A triton radical thrusts with a corroded bronze scaling fork at you!
AS: +430 vs DS: +344 with AvD: +32 + d100 roll: +34 = +152
... and hits for 10 points of damage!
Minor puncture to the right arm.

[Bobmuhthol]

:( I deleted my entire Simu folder when I quit so I don't have access to any DF or crit tables. Also, the results are more accurate with the highest endroll + DF possible.

[Latrinsorm]

This is actually the highest DF possible; either a lance or an awl-pike.

Your redux factor is .52. Not great, but not terrible.

[Stretch]

:(

Wonder if that fifth spell started dinking it.

[Latrinsorm]

If you don't mind, how many redux points do you have?

[Stretch]

I dunno, you tell me.


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Shield Use.........................| 201 101
Combat Maneuvers...................| 301 201
Edged Weapons......................| 302 202
Ambush.............................| 302 202
Physical Fitness...................| 201 101
Dodging............................| 366 266
Arcane Symbols.....................| 78 17
Harness Power......................| 35 7
Disarming Traps....................| 370 270
Picking Locks......................| 403 303
Stalking and Hiding................| 302 202
Perception.........................| 302 202
Climbing...........................| 90 20
Swimming...........................| 150 50

Spell Lists
Minor Elemental....................| 4

Spell Lists
Minor Spirit.......................| 1

[Latrinsorm]

1x in PF? Jesus.

I've got you at 521.6. I'd expect your redux to be significantly higher, it must be that rogues have a natural crappiness modifier that I've not taken into account yet.

The only (serious) things I can think of are the radicals having negative damage weighting, your character having damage padding, the spell penalty starting earlier than I expected, or redux points being worth less at cap than level 66 (which would be very peculiar because they're worth more at 66 than 52).

Does anyone have a log of the radicals pwning someone who doesn't have redux?