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[allen]

anyone else find this interesting? I don't know exactly what happened with that whole cash transaction gone bad with him...

http://www.gsauctions.com/itemdetails.asp?auctionid=DE4A6E3FD7F64E5192D251A9 BEE0DD6D

[ViridianAsp]

Wow...

[Alfster]

hehe

[Gan]

Caveat Emptor to whomever decides to buy from that guy.

I wouldnt go near that for all the tea in China.

[fallenSaint]

Heh, well if your goin to keep rippin people off mise well go for gold.

[diethx]

Heh, well if your goin to keep rippin people off mise well go for gold.

Would've been smart to start with this more expensive rip off, cuz now no one will buy from him heh. Unless they've been living under a rock with no internet for the past few months, that is.

[Gan]

In case anyone wants to read up on Zimzum's history...

http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?t=24747 (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?t=24747&highlight=zimzum)

[AestheticDeath]

Well, there are a lot of people who shop www.gsauctions.com that don't read these boards.

Assuming that whole deal from before was what it looked like, I am surprised they didn't ban him.

[Morrff]

Well at least everyone knows FORSURE who it is selling this time right off the bat. He's a few fries short of a happy meal it seems lately...

I'm surprised they would even deal with him through GSauctions, who's running that auction anyhow, and has anyone told them about his dealings with the wizard deal?

I'm sure I've known who GSauctions is run by and have forgotten, but refresh my memory???

Hope no one gets screwed, other then the fact their gonna get a character with a shitty ass rep

Morrff

[Sthrockmorton]

I asked yesterday on psinet what was going on with that and no one gave me an answer.

[Gan]

Well at least everyone knows FORSURE who it is selling this time right off the bat. He's a few fries short of a happy meal it seems lately...

I'm surprised they would even deal with him through GSauctions, who's running that auction anyhow, and has anyone told them about his dealings with the wizard deal?

I'm sure I've known who GSauctions is run by and have forgotten, but refresh my memory???

Hope no one gets screwed, other then the fact their gonna get a character with a shitty ass rep

Morrff

GS Auctions is run by Sergey who posts as GSAuctions and CrazyMage.


The situation between Zimzum and myself has been handled to satisfaction, that's all I can say due to GSAuctions.com policy.

[Danical]

I must admit I'm a little disappointed Sergey is allowing Zimzum to sell on his site.

I also applaud Gan's astounding effort to rectify the previous situation; good on you Gan.

[ViridianAsp]

I talked to Zimzum. He considered it but changed his mind, he isn't for sale. You guys rip on him, but the whole thing before is a really complicated mess of misunderstandings (which I will not discuss because I don't feel it's my place.). Zimzum's player for the most part is a really good guy.

[Gan]

I talked to Zimzum. He considered it but changed his mind, he isn't for sale. You guys rip on him, but the whole thing before is a really complicated mess of misunderstandings (which I will not discuss because I don't feel it's my place.). Zimzum's player for the most part is a really good guy.

Yea, tell that to Elrodin's original player (now posting as Anebreated) who's still out 200+ bucks.

Thats not hard to misunderstand.

[Celephais]

I talked to Zimzum. He considered it but changed his mind, he isn't for sale. You guys rip on him, but the whole thing before is a really complicated mess of misunderstandings (which I will not discuss because I don't feel it's my place.). Zimzum's player for the most part is a really good guy.

If it was a misunderstanding the current balance would read $0... as it stands right now Zimzum is up cash, and those who paid (forget who exactly) did not receive their character or money back. A misunderstanding that Zim could easily resolve by refunding money for a service not rendered.

He IS a fucking tool. There is no denying that.

[Drew]

I talked to Zimzum. He considered it but changed his mind, he isn't for sale. You guys rip on him, but the whole thing before is a really complicated mess of misunderstandings (which I will not discuss because I don't feel it's my place.). Zimzum's player for the most part is a really good guy.



Unless Zimzum is saying that Elrodin is lying and he gave him his money back then he's not actually a good guy, he's a thief (and not the adorable GS type).

[allen]

* Zimzum just bit the dust!

[allen]

You hear the faint thoughts of [OOC]-You echo in your mind:
"eww the sold zimzum sucks too"

You hear the faint thoughts of [OOC]-Zimzum echo in your mind:
"wtf"

You hear the faint thoughts of [OOC]-Krayton echo in your mind:
"zimzum... sold?"

You hear the faint thoughts of [OOC]-Zimzum echo in your mind:
"no"
You hear the faint thoughts of [OOC]-Zimzum echo in your mind:
"I did post myself to sell though"

You hear the faint thoughts of [OOC]-Zimzum echo in your mind:
"but i took it down"

You hear the faint thoughts of [OOC]-Krayton echo in your mind:
"pansy"

You hear the faint thoughts of [OOC]-You echo in your mind:
"yea noone would buy you after you robbed that dude"

You hear the faint thoughts of [OOC]-Zimzum echo in your mind:
"yet i've managed to sell so much other shit, go figure"



DICK

[crazymage]

There are as always with these situations, mitigating circumstances that I will not go into. That's all I'll say on the matter.

[diethx]

You hear the faint thoughts of [OOC]-You echo in your mind:
"yea noone would buy you after you robbed that dude"

You hear the faint thoughts of [OOC]-Zimzum echo in your mind:
"yet i've managed to sell so much other shit, go figure"

Yeah he really sounds like a good guy there, heh. He all but blatantly admitted to ripping Elrodin off. What a :tool:

[Gan]

Still doesnt change the fact that Elrodin has not been reimbursed. None of the mitigating circumstances were his fault and yet he's the one who got shafted. PERIOD.

I cant really say I've ever purchased anything from GSAuctions, and I've only listed a few things on there that might or might not have sold in the past; however, I dont feel the urge nor necessity to list anything on there now and with how the whole Zimzum thing has gone down, I'll not do any future business with those who do business with the likes of Zimzum. Period.

Its not worth the risk.

[Bobmuhthol]

<<I cant really say I've ever purchased anything from GSAuctions, and I've only listed a few things on there that might or might not have sold in the past; however, I dont feel the urge nor necessity to list anything on there now and with how the whole Zimzum thing has gone down, I'll not do any future business with those who do business with the likes of Zimzum. Period.>>

This is seriously the gayest thing I've ever read on so many levels.

I guess you won't be dealing with the government anytime soon, either, since they don't ban Zimzum from using all services for ripping someone off.

[Gan]

<<I cant really say I've ever purchased anything from GSAuctions, and I've only listed a few things on there that might or might not have sold in the past; however, I dont feel the urge nor necessity to list anything on there now and with how the whole Zimzum thing has gone down, I'll not do any future business with those who do business with the likes of Zimzum. Period.>>

This is seriously the gayest thing I've ever read on so many levels.

I guess you won't be dealing with the government anytime soon, either, since they don't ban Zimzum from using all services for ripping someone off.

Quit being retarded.

[Celephais]

There are as always with these situations, mitigating circumstances that I will not go into. That's all I'll say on the matter.

Yeah this doesn't really sit well with me either... not because I think you're culpable by any means, I just think with your intimacy with the market of RL/GS it would be in your best interest to distance yourself from him or at least provide a good reason for allowing him to continue business with you. Seeing a general air of unease around character sales increase because of him has to be bad for business.

Unless you think that this makes people not trust "for sale by owner" situations and actually helps your business, and then it's even worse.


Quit being retarded.

Heh.

[Bobmuhthol]

Where are all the cries of "Tsin shouldn't be allowed to use GSAuctions because I don't like the way he does business?" People have posted more than once before that he blatantly steals from people, so how is that different from Zimzum blatantly stealing from someone?

[Celephais]

Where are all the cries of "Tsin shouldn't be allowed to use GSAuctions because I don't like the way he does business?" People have posted more than once before that he blatantly steals from people, so how is that different from Zimzum blatantly stealing from someone?

Good question, but character sales that involve blatent taking of cash, non-delivery of character seem a bit more clearcut than all the "Tsin is a D-Bag" comments we get.

And I dont' think we've raised the Pom-Poms against Tsin... sooo that might be part of it too.

[Ardwen]

Tsin uses GSAuctions?

[Gan]

Where are all the cries of "Tsin shouldn't be allowed to use GSAuctions because I don't like the way he does business?" People have posted more than once before that he blatantly steals from people, so how is that different from Zimzum blatantly stealing from someone?

Unless you can tie Tsin using GSAuctions as a means of selling his product, I dont see how you are drawing this coorelation.

UNLESS you're saying its not right for me to associate GSAuctions with Zimzum's thievery. NEWSFLASH: That's already happened when Zimzum's character appeared on GSAuctions.com. If you think I'm the only one to draw that conclusion, you're mistaken.

Either way... Guess what! I'm a consumer, if I feel that the reputation of a seller is in question by whom he chooses to represent goods from, I will!

Caveat Emptor.

Would you buy merchandise from a store that is known to sell stolen merchandise?

Would you buy merchandise from a store that is known to sell items from people who are known as a thief?

Tsin blatantly stealing from people is NO DIFFERENT than Zimzum stealing from people. A simple search will demonstrate how people feel about Tsin. Much like how a simple search can demonstrate the same for Zimzum.

Also I wanted to quote this so when you come back later you can see how little sense you're making.

[Alfster]

I love how Zimzum's defense is that "it's a long, complicated story"

[diethx]

I love how Zimzum's defense is that "it's a long, complicated story"

That he can't bother to take the time to share after like 3 months.

aka, i'm a dillhole with no excuse except that i'm a dillhole.

[Gan]

I love how Zimzum's defense is that "it's a long, complicated story"

Exactly, like us 'simple minded folk' wouldnt understand...

Thats ok, it just further illustrates his slimey'ness. Not to mention every one of his cronies who appear here to repeat the same mantra (see the original thread for more examples).

[ViridianAsp]

Look, all I said is that it is a story I wouldn't go into. He's always been a nice guy to me, that doesn't make me his cronie.

It isn't my place to explain it, so I'm not going to.

[Bobmuhthol]

<<Would you buy merchandise from a store that is known to sell stolen merchandise?>>

You're not buying from GSAuctions, you're buying from Zimzum.

I guess eBay is a giant piece of shit company, too, because people get ripped off all the time. That's totally eBay employees catalyzing it, right, LOL?

[The Ponzzz]

Regardless of what Zim did, I trust Sergey 100% to know what he's doing.

[FinisWolf]

<<Would you buy merchandise from a store that is known to sell stolen merchandise?>>

You're not buying from GSAuctions, you're buying from Zimzum.

I guess eBay is a giant piece of shit company, too, because people get ripped off all the time. That's totally eBay employees catalyzing it, right, LOL?

With eBay they do hold a postion, and have a TOS in place to take care of the thieves that sell there. Thus they distance themselves, or try, from untrustworthy individuals.

Finis

[Stunseed]

Regardless of what Zim did, I trust Sergey 100% to know what he's doing.

As much as I talk mad shit about Sergey, I do trust him when it comes to sales. I've dealt with him more than once and everything has been on the up and up with me.

[Celephais]

Look, all I said is that it is a story I wouldn't go into.

Why on earth wouldn't you go into this story? do you really think we're incapable of comprehending? There is no method to justify why he hasn't refunded the money he took without delivering the character. If you tell me his mother had testicular cancer and he had to pay for the operation that would at least be some sort of fucking justification, ass it stands right now you're just throwing your lot in with that scumbag.

[AestheticDeath]

You know how the PC is, and you ask why people won't open their mouths? Please.

I still don't know what happened in the end with Zimzum, beyond what anyone else on the PC knows from the last thread. Which means I will never trust that guy.

But Izzaac and Sergey are not responible for someone elses actions. And from what little Sergey said, it doesn't mean they actually trust him, or deal with him still.

And Zims auction was taken down, whether of his own volition, or from pressure from other people, or by request of gsauctions. Who knows.

[ViridianAsp]

Why on earth wouldn't you go into this story? do you really think we're incapable of comprehending? There is no method to justify why he hasn't refunded the money he took without delivering the character. If you tell me his mother had testicular cancer and he had to pay for the operation that would at least be some sort of fucking justification, ass it stands right now you're just throwing your lot in with that scumbag.


Why would I? It isn't MY business, I know the story. It's not that you are incapable of comprehending but I'm not the cause of your being upset at Zimzum's player. I'm not the one who needs to justify what happened.

Do you go around airing out people's dirty laundry for them? What's that? No?


Then back off.

[Celephais]

Why would I? It isn't MY business, I know the story. It's not that you are incapable of comprehending but I'm not the cause of your being upset at Zimzum's player. I'm not the one who needs to justify what happened.

Do you go around airing out people's dirty laundry for them? What's that? No?


Then back off.

I have no problem with you saying it's not your place to explain, but if you tell us he's a good guy, and that he's not a scumbag for doing this, but can't tell us why, you don't come off looking so great is all.

If I said that some guy shoved an old lady infront of a bus, but he had a reason to do it, but I can't tell you why, but don't get mad at that guy, he had a reason that I can't tell you... you'd probably think I was an asshole for siding with the guy that shoved the old lady infront of the bus.

Obviously he didn't shove an old lady infront of the bus, but by saying he's mostly a good guy, you're getting bundled up with his perceptions, deserved or not (as in, even if you really don't deserve his perceptions, your actions inevitably make you look bad when in reality they shouldn't).

[Gan]

...I know the story.

Yea, the worst thing in the world would be to publicize the story, especially if there is more than one version. I wonder how many different versions there are...

:whistle:


Then back off.

LOL at you defending vapor and telling those who question it to back off. Why post at all?

[ViridianAsp]

LOL at you being a jackass to people simply because they believe good people make mistakes.

[Gan]

LOL at you calling stealing 200+ bucks a mistake.

[Celephais]

LOL at you being a jackass to people simply because they believe good people make mistakes.


LOL at you calling stealing 200+ bucks a mistake.

Yeah... that.

If it was a mistake he could have returned the money real quickly and been restored to good graces, if you go back to that thread ZimZum was given every shred of a chance to come out of it cleanly... instead he took the money and closed down all communication with everyone.

[Cademus]

After reading through this post and the other one made by the fella that got ripped off. One can only conclude that Zimzum attempted and suceeded in ripping someone off UNLESS the guy that got ripped off is lying and really did get his money back.

[CrystalTears]

I talked to Zimzum. He considered it but changed his mind, he isn't for sale. You guys rip on him, but the whole thing before is a really complicated mess of misunderstandings (which I will not discuss because I don't feel it's my place.). Zimzum's player for the most part is a really good guy.
Translation: Neener, neener, neener... I know something you don't know!

Seriously though, if you never intended to say anything, why even bring it up? Why even state here that you know what happened? All you did was pull an Ilvane and stick up for someone regardless of what your intentions were. At least that's how it's coming across now. You really shouldn't have said anything at all.

[diethx]

Seriously though, if you never intended to say anything, why even bring it up? Why even state here that you know what happened? All you did was pull an Ilvane and stick up for someone regardless of what your intentions were. At least that's how it's coming across now. You really shouldn't have said anything at all.

This is true, why would you even mention it? One would think that the smart thing to do in your position would be to keep quiet about it since you can't (or won't) talk about it, and just feel confident in your own mind that you believe Zimzum for whatever reason.

Did you really think that you coming here and being like, "look guys I know the truth! And even though I can't tell you, you need to take my word for it that it was just a mistake", would make people go, "Oh, well because ViridianAsp said so, I guess Zimzum must REALLY have had a reason to pull this bullshit and not pay Elrodin back! Let's just take her word for it since we're totally understanding that she can't discuss it."

C'mon, seriously heh. You invited the remarks on your person by bringing yourself into the discussion in the first place.

[The Ponzzz]

LOL at you calling stealing 200+ bucks a mistake.

Wasn't it more than one person too?

[diethx]

Wasn't it more than one person too?

Yeah, it was Sergey too, but apparently Sergey got paid back.

[ViridianAsp]

Look it isn't my place to talk about it. I just know what I was told and from what I know, it was a lot of messed up misunderstandings. So, I'm sorry I said anything at all. My mistake.


CrystalTears, Go to hell.

[Gan]

Imagine that...

[Gan]

Look it isn't my place to talk about it. I just know what I was told and from what I know, it was a lot of messed up misunderstandings. So, I'm sorry I said anything at all. My mistake.


CrystalTears, Go to hell.

BULLSHIT.

Taking 200 bucks from someone for a character sale and not returning the money when the character sale falls through is not a misunderstanding. ITS CALLED STEALING. Especially when the seller turns right around and sells the character again to Sergey.

HOW STUPID TO YOU HAVE TO BE TO MISUNDERSTAND THAT???

[Satira]

Since no one is actually selling anything anymore and you guys wanna rip each other's jugulars, I'm moving this to general gemstone. Have fun!

[Celephais]

Viridian, are you denying that Zimzum took $200 from Erodin and Erodin doesn't have the character he paid for?

What misunderstanding places that money still in his hands? I don't think it's "out of place" for you to say something like "that's where the misunderstanding is, that's not the case", because frankly everybody has heard this story, it's not like you're coming out of nowhere saying that a story no one has ever heard of is untrue. (no idea why this suddenly posted, I wasn't finished).

It's one thing to start drama and be overstepping bounds, it's another to correct and settle with a story that's already in place.

[CrystalTears]

CrystalTears, Go to hell.
Heh, why, because I spoke the truth? There was no need to come here and say you know the story but won't tell. It's a tactic that has never worked here. It doesn't prove anything or help resolve the situation. All it does is stir up more emotion and animosity.

I know it's very tempting to always want to comment, especially on situations you are familiar with, but unless you intend to offer up reasons why you agree or disagree, it's better to not say anything at all.

I'll go back to my hellish corner.

[Paradii]

This thread is the cats pajamas.

[unconcerned1]

How do you know Elrodin's not lying? It's his word against Zimzum's, no?

[Danical]

Zimzum has had plenty of opportunity to say, "Shux howdy bounty hunters! I gave the money back!"

He hasn't so I'm inclined to think he's still got the money.

[Sthrockmorton]

Viridian, are you denying that Zimzum took $200 from Erodin and Erodin doesn't have the character he paid for?

It's "Elrodin", not "Erodin" right? Not being an ass, just double checking for my own sake.

[Celephais]

How do you know Elrodin's not lying? It's his word against Zimzum's, no?

Considering the circumstances... Zimzums disappearance right after it happening, it happening to multiple people, it not even being Zim's character, the Paypal account getting closed... I'd say Zim's word is mud.


Zimzum has had plenty of opportunity to say, "Shux howdy bounty hunters! I gave the money back!"

He hasn't so I'm inclined to think he's still got the money.

Yeah. That.

Also if that were the case, I think VAsp could just say "He gave the money back, that was the misunderstanding", not this whole secrecy bullshit.

[Celephais]

It's "Elrodin", not "Erodin" right? Not being an ass, just double checking for my own sake.

I had no idea who it was... was just trying to remember too, yeah Elrodin sounds right... someone said it earlier in the thread, and I didn't feel like going to the other thread.

[Sypher]

Thing is nobody here knows if Zimzum DID or DID NOT give the money back. For all we know he could've given the money back a week after the incident. Maybe, he's the silent type or just doesn't give a crap so doesn't get on PC expounding I GAVE MONEY BACK OK!!!

[unconcerned1]

Thing is nobody here knows if Zimzum DID or DID NOT give the money back. For all we know he could've given the money back a week after the incident. Maybe, he's the silent type or just doesn't give a crap so doesn't get on PC expounding I GAVE MONEY BACK OK!!!

Even if he did, who's to say the resident PC cheerleaders would believe him?

Just saying, nobody knows for sure either way.

[Bobmuhthol]

<<Thing is nobody here knows if Zimzum DID or DID NOT give the money back.>>

Here's the flaw in your argument: every one of the involved parties has > 1 post on this forum. Multiple people here know.

[Sypher]

<<Thing is nobody here knows if Zimzum DID or DID NOT give the money back.>>

Here's the flaw in your argument: every one of the involved parties has > 1 post on this forum. Multiple people here know.

It's still hearsay, you can't condemn someone solely on the basis of the victim's testimony. The victim could have motive to tarnish Zim's rep just out of spite, I'm not saying he did, but I'm saying this is still not beyond the benefit of the doubt. And since paypal is an American company and most of us here live in the US and are US citizens I say we at least give Zim some credit.

Besides, if Zim's true intention was to just steal the money and run then why give back some of it? (as confirmed by Sergey and his refund)

[Bobmuhthol]

<<It's still hearsay>>

NO IT ISN'T.

<<Besides, if Zim's true intention was to just steal the money and run then why give back some of it? (as confirmed by Sergey and his refund)>>

You can't say what did or did not happen, it's all hearsay!!!

[diethx]

It's still hearsay, you can't condemn someone solely on the basis of the victim's testimony.

Is this a court of law, or a bunch of GS forums? I think you're getting confused here.


And since paypal is an American company and most of us here live in the US and are US citizens I say we at least give Zim some credit.

I'm confused as to what that has to do with this?

Basically, all he had to do was express his side and people would maybe take it into account. He hasn't said shit to defend himself, so it looks as though he's guilty. Simple as that.

[Gan]

How do you know Elrodin's not lying? It's his word against Zimzum's, no?

If he was, you would have seen Zimzum's player on here in a heartbeat. Or any number of his cronies jumping over each other with the chance to refute the claim. Yet the only thing said is "You dont know the whole story!" "Zimzum is going through rough times!" "Zimzum is really a nice guy!". Give me a fucking break. It is what it is. Quit trying to think we're that stupid, it only gets you laughed at.

That and the fact that Elrodin's player (formerly) has been able to provide details of the transaction that have held up to scrutiny. Something that has not been evident from Zimzum's side of the issue.

[Gan]

Thing is nobody here knows if Zimzum DID or DID NOT give the money back. For all we know he could've given the money back a week after the incident. Maybe, he's the silent type or just doesn't give a crap so doesn't get on PC expounding I GAVE MONEY BACK OK!!!


It's still hearsay, you can't condemn someone solely on the basis of the victim's testimony. The victim could have motive to tarnish Zim's rep just out of spite, I'm not saying he did, but I'm saying this is still not beyond the benefit of the doubt. And since paypal is an American company and most of us here live in the US and are US citizens I say we at least give Zim some credit.

Besides, if Zim's true intention was to just steal the money and run then why give back some of it? (as confirmed by Sergey and his refund)

Nice try. But if you go back and read through the thread you can follow the trail, the questioning, the statements. If there were holes, folks here would have found it. And LOL at you playing Perry Mason.

http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i3/3strangedays/button5.jpg

[unconcerned1]

it only gets you laughed at.

oh no!

[Hips]

Zimzum has had plenty of opportunity to say, "Shux howdy bounty hunters! I gave the money back!"


SHUCKS HOWDY!!

Best post, ever.

[Danical]

I was hoping someone would get the reference!

:love: