Should Illvane Step down as Moderator?

[Gan]

With the recent observations of behavior from the moderator Illvane; I'm proposing a poll in the form of a petition to ask for Illvane's removal from a position of authority on these forums.

This poll will be private to protect all the chicken shits who wont vote in lieu of retribution.

For the record, I'm voting for her removal.

[StrayRogue]

Personally, I'm as much against witch hunts and group loller fests as I am to over moderation.

[Fallen]

Wow.

[Jolena]

:yeahthat:

[CrystalTears]

Aw, but who else am I going to get to call me a bitch and a moron and then tell others to stop with personal attacks? Pft.

[Sean]

Personally I think yes but probably for a lot different reasons than you do. But I also think SP, Artha, and anyone else who just uses being a Mod as an excuse to read the behind the scenes posts should step down too.

[Ilvane]

Aww. I love you too.

[Bobmuhthol]

I'm literally going to flip a coin to vote because I just want to see the list of people.

[Xaerve]

I'm literally going to flip a coin to vote because I just want to see the list of people.


Its protected :(

[CrystalTears]

It's private so you won't see it.

[Gan]

Aww. I love you too.

Looky there, you're very own thread. Need help finding that car door yet?

[Bobmuhthol]

Gay.

Fucking gay.

[Gan]

With the recent observations of behavior from the moderator Illvane; I'm proposing a poll in the form of a petition to ask for Illvane's removal from a position of authority on these forums.

This poll will be private to protect all the chicken shits who wont vote in lieu of retribution.

For the record, I'm voting for her removal.


I'm literally going to flip a coin to vote because I just want to see the list of people.

KTHX

[Nieninque]

Personally, I'm as much against witch hunts and group loller fests as I am to over moderation.

Agreed.

Ilvane is a tit, but who cares if she is a mod.

[CrystalTears]

:lol: @ Nien calling Ilvane a tit.

The poor tits of the world are offended now!

[Sean]

Too bad this poll wont actually tell us anything though because most of the boards (lurkers included) probably don't care.

[Ilvane]

heh, I'm just laughing more than anything, so no harm done.

It's more amusing to me that most of you who hate me so much don't know me at all and have this impression that is just terrible.

Oh well.

If I cared I might get upset.:)

[CrystalTears]

As if I cared enough about you to actually go as far as to hate you.

I don't have to know you personally to know that I have issues with you on these boards.

[Ilvane]

You certainly spend enough time going after to me think you actually do.

But then you thought you knew what was going on in my personal life too, so whatever.

Angela

[Sean of the Thread]

heh, I'm just laughing more than anything, so no harm done.

It's more amusing to me that most of you who hate me so much don't know me at all and have this impression that is just terrible.

Oh well.

If I cared I might get upset.:)

I don't hate you. Most of us pity you for being so damned stupid.

[CrystalTears]

Yay, go ahead and bring that up too. YOU are the one who went out and told people YOUR story when it got broadcast on the boards. And when I ask about names in the thread, what happens? You IM ME out of the blue and say "oh that wasn't about me but it was similar". If you want to continue to lie to me and yourself, you go right ahead. Until then, kindly fuck off. I don't take kindly to people who lie to me, as you can see.

[Fallen]

Aw, but who else am I going to get to call me a bitch and a moron and then tell others to stop with personal attacks? Pft.

Yeah, that was pretty bad. But in her defense, it just shows you're good at getting under people's skin!

[Gan]

heh, I'm just laughing more than anything, so no harm done.

It's more amusing to me that most of you who hate me so much don't know me at all and have this impression that is just terrible.

Oh well.

If I cared I might get upset.:)

LOL at hate. Hate requires that you were liked to begin with. I simply think you suck at being a moderator. Well, I also think your political views are wacko too, but thats your right so who am I to care...

But with moderation, I think you really suck. Did I say that already? I'm also glad you're getting a laugh out of this, since most of us are laughing at you, not with you.

[Sean]

I don't have to know you personally to think you're a bad moderator I just had to work along side you. But we've been over this before.

[Ilvane]

heh, because I was told that it wasn't about me afterwards.

So? I'm not allowed to IM you to tell you this?

We used to actually have civil conversations before, and I never had a problem with you. But until you knew what was going on in that situation, you should have kept your mouth shut.

Angela

[Gan]

I don't have to know you personally to think you're a bad moderator I just had to work along side you. But we've been over this before.

Your vote should count twice since you had to work with her.


PS...

8:2 and not in her favor.

[Bobmuhthol]

One of those "fuck no" votes is mine, you can disregard it.

[CrystalTears]

heh, because I was told that it wasn't about me afterwards.
You were told that the story wasn't about you...what bullshit. But fine. It wasn't about you? Okay. Let's try this. You were the OTHER story where you cheated on your boyfriend to make out with some other guy at a party. Yeah that makes it better. Thanks for setting me straight! Whew!

So? I'm not allowed to IM you to tell you this? Not bullshit, no.

We used to actually have civil conversations before, and I never had a problem with you. But until you knew what was going on in that situation, you should have kept your mouth shut. You sure love telling me to keep my mouth shut. Take your own advice. Why should I though? All I asked was for names mostly because I had been to those parties and was curious who was involved. Yeah I'm fucking nosey. At least this way I found out what kind of person you really are.

[Bobmuhthol]

lol, I thought girls grew up after high school, looks like I've got a surprise waiting for me later in life

[Sean of the Thread]

Gah I feel sorry for whatever drunk dude made out with her.

[Gan]

I believe drunk is the optimal word there...

[Satira]

So when does the "Should Ganalon have made a thread about whether or not Ilvane should step down as a moderator?" thread get made?

[Some Rogue]

Gah I feel sorry for whatever drunk dude made out with her.

It was Ron Mexico obviously.

[Gan]

LOL

ILLvanes number's are close to Bush's approval ratings. Go Figure.

:lol:

[Back]

Personally, I'm as much against witch hunts and group loller fests as I am to over moderation.

^

Couldn’t agree more.

If anyone has a problem with any moderator they can easily take up that concern with King Kranar. His rule is absolute. This is not a democratic board and its free to use if you follow TOS. Thats not to say Kranar is not a benevolent king of this domain... just that if you use his service for free, and have a problem with it, he is there to listen and make the call.

Ilvane does not strike me as a problem in the least compared to some users. If anything she may be too nice. Then again I don’t see every single post nor see how things get moderated. I’m pretty confident that if you are a user and have a problem with the way a mod does their job you ought to be ready to step up and do a better job.

[Rue]

Couldn’t agree more.

If anyone has a problem with any moderator they can easily take up that concern with King Kranar. His rule is absolute. This is not a democratic board and its free to use if you follow TOS. Thats not to say Kranar is not a benevolent king of this domain... just that if you use his service for free, and have a problem with it, he is there to listen and make the call.


Use the channels, use your power of voice, and be heard for the right reasons in the right way.


Quote:
Originally Posted by StrayRogue
Personally, I'm as much against witch hunts and group loller fests as I am to over moderation.



Otherwise, this is what this sounds like to me.

:devil:

[Davenshire]

Wow....

Some of you bastards really need to get out and join a fight club or something. If some mods made a mistake, I am sure (hope) they'll learn.

I really do think some of you are trying to join the "million posts on players corner" team by spouting off curses and band wagoning silly shit.

It's almost like the players corner version of Giberfecal. Rather then spouting a bunch of stuff you don't understand and commenting on any and every post, most of you folks just post negatively about every other post.

Quit beating a dead horse. Stop trying to get the last pathetic one liner you spent all night thinking up or found someone else on another forum use. Just comment and move on.

Of course if players corner is somehow keeping you from from beating puppies, going on a murder spree.... maybe that is a good thing.

However, it shoudn't be a crutch for some of you cry asses who can't open yer mouth in RL to take out yer angst against faceless others.

This forum has a lot cleaner lines then the gemstone forums, but the one loss it holds over GS forums 19oo technology is that I have to wade through 50 posts of QQ cry ass insults to get to any meat and potatos. Anyone that could come along and change that I would give a crown of laurels.

I vote a fuck no- but try and use some balance when yer deciding what to judge off limits and on limits. Don't get personally involved and choose sides.

I'd be happy to see quite a few folks get the boot, and warnings to clean up their acts throughout players corner.

[Back]

This poll needs another option.

I don’t give two shits either way.

[Anebriated]

1 post closer to 1,000,000! I actually have nothing relevant to add to the thread. Mods are a dime a dozen and its almost certain you wont like all of em.

[mgoddess]

I don’t give two shits either way.

:yeahthat:

[SpunGirl]

OMFG IT'S THE PC WHO CARES.

-K

[Stanley Burrell]

OMFG IT'S THE PC WHO CARES.

-K

We have a winnar!1

[Back]

I’d like to take this opportunity to nominate Ganalon as a moderator if Ilvane says “fuck you clowns.” Think about it... its a title with no work involved.

[ViridianAsp]

lol, I thought girls grew up after high school, looks like I've got a surprise waiting for me later in life


It gets worse after high school, actually. mid-thirties is when most women totally lose it.

As far as Ilvane being a moderator or not, I haven't seen her cause anyone any sort of horrible grief. Maybe it's just me, but if I had people calling for me to step down, I probably would.

Who wants to moderate when people treat you like crap?

[Sean of the Thread]

Wow....

Some of you bastards really need to get out and join a fight club or something. If some mods made a mistake, I am sure (hope) they'll learn.

I really do think some of you are trying to join the "million posts on players corner" team by spouting off curses and band wagoning silly shit.

It's almost like the players corner version of Giberfecal. Rather then spouting a bunch of stuff you don't understand and commenting on any and every post, most of you folks just post negatively about every other post.

Quit beating a dead horse. Stop trying to get the last pathetic one liner you spent all night thinking up or found someone else on another forum use. Just comment and move on.

Of course if players corner is somehow keeping you from from beating puppies, going on a murder spree.... maybe that is a good thing.

However, it shoudn't be a crutch for some of you cry asses who can't open yer mouth in RL to take out yer angst against faceless others.

This forum has a lot cleaner lines then the gemstone forums, but the one loss it holds over GS forums 19oo technology is that I have to wade through 50 posts of QQ cry ass insults to get to any meat and potatos. Anyone that could come along and change that I would give a crown of laurels.

I vote a fuck no- but try and use some balance when yer deciding what to judge off limits and on limits. Don't get personally involved and choose sides.

I'd be happy to see quite a few folks get the boot, and warnings to clean up their acts throughout players corner.

We'll sum you up as ignorant.

[Sean of the Thread]

If she had any pride or self awareness she would step down. She honestly brings nothing to table of anything worth note. Basically they elected her to be a folder janitor. She's obviously out of her league.

[Back]

We'll sum you up as ignorant.

Who exactly is “we?”

[TheEschaton]

Maybe I should be a moderator. Hmmm.

[Davenshire]

Woohoo stray off topic time!

It is embarassing when new people come to these forums, and all they see is a bunch of idiots like you (sean2) post 2 sentence threads that add nothing to the discussion. Or jump all over them because they are fresh meat.


People bringing up the same old gripes. ruining a good topic by sissy fighting with the same people they always sissy fight with day in and day out. I'll be more then happy to see a moderator come along and slap anyone on the wrists. Hell I'd love to see you get tossed because yer one of the prime examples of ignorance on this forum.

(Did you see my post and go, "holy shit he has to be refering to me!")

Without any direction and rules it is what it is. A chaotic mishmash of tantrum throwing slappies. It adds nothing.

This forum does need moderation. And they need to enforce it a little more vigorously then in the past.

Just because it is a online forum doesn't mean we have to stray from accountability. A little courtesy and civility would improve this place 5-fold.

I'll be happy to see ilvane stay a moderator. I hope she is thick skinned or getting there each day with the likes of you to deal with.

[CrystalTears]

I hope she is thick skinned or getting there each day with the likes of you to deal with.
She's not. Deleting her own posts in a fit of disagreement says a lot.

[Latrinsorm]

Is calling everyone on the forum a "slappy" civil or courteous? I can't figure out which.

[Latrinsorm]

p.s.: It's hard to believe how much of a problem some people have with Ilvane.

[Back]

Woohoo stray off topic time!

My new hero.

[Anebriated]

According to the Ron Mexico generator, Ilvane's name is Rita Belarus. From here on out we should address her accordingly. Hunk Virgin Islands(Ganalon) for mod!

[Ignot]

I voted fuck no because I never had a problem with Rita Belarus but I haven't been around as long as some of you.

[Back]

With the recent observations of behavior from the moderator Illvane; I'm proposing a poll in the form of a petition to ask for Illvane's removal from a position of authority on these forums.

This poll will be private to protect all the chicken shits who wont vote in lieu of retribution.

For the record, I'm voting for her removal.

:ultimate:

[Sean of the Thread]

Who exactly is “we?”

The majority.

[Sean of the Thread]

Woohoo stray off topic time!

It is embarassing when new people come to these forums, and all they see is a bunch of idiots like you (sean2) post 2 sentence threads that add nothing to the discussion. Or jump all over them because they are fresh meat.


People bringing up the same old gripes. ruining a good topic by sissy fighting with the same people they always sissy fight with day in and day out. I'll be more then happy to see a moderator come along and slap anyone on the wrists. Hell I'd love to see you get tossed because yer one of the prime examples of ignorance on this forum.

(Did you see my post and go, "holy shit he has to be refering to me!")

Without any direction and rules it is what it is. A chaotic mishmash of tantrum throwing slappies. It adds nothing.

This forum does need moderation. And they need to enforce it a little more vigorously then in the past.

Just because it is a online forum doesn't mean we have to stray from accountability. A little courtesy and civility would improve this place 5-fold.

I'll be happy to see ilvane stay a moderator. I hope she is thick skinned or getting there each day with the likes of you to deal with.

Bring something to the table or at the very least understand the topic at hand before you talk shit. You're welcome to stay but bring a tad more wit than your first couple of posts.

Perhaps change your user name and start over again to save the embarrassment and start anew.

[Sean of the Thread]

She's not. Deleting her own posts in a fit of disagreement says a lot.

x2

[SpunGirl]

My dog stepped on the remote, vetoing "1 vs 100" in favor of Animal Planet. Lucy rules.

-K

[Gan]

I’d like to take this opportunity to nominate Ganalon as a moderator if Ilvane says “fuck you clowns.” Think about it... its a title with no work involved.
No thanks... Once upon a time, sure. Not now though. Not with who I'd have to work/be associated with.



:blah: We'll sum you up as ignorant.x1,000


...(Ganalon) for mod! MMMMnothx.


I wonder how many folks logged onto alts to vote since the poll results are hidden. :whistle:

All in all, good thread. I think the message has gotten across.

[StrayRogue]

I wonder how many members logged on alts to vote yes.

[Tsa`ah]

Wow .... talk about memories.

Gan, you have successfully joined an elite group of losers. Threads like this contribute as much to the board as a Sean2 post ... :clap: congratulations on stooping lower than I thought any intelligent member could. Keep pushing that bar.


The majority.

You really need to buy a dictionary and look that word up ... also stop using "we" in the place of I. Eventually the "we" are going to string you up by the nuts for including yourself in their numbers.


I wonder how many members logged on alts to vote yes.

Enough for Sean2 to conclude a "majority".

The chicken shit thing to do was to make it private.

[Gan]

I wonder how many members logged on alts to vote yes.
I've never seen a need to have more than 1 account here.


Gan, you have successfully joined an elite group of losers. Threads like this contribute as much to the board as a Sean2 post ... :clap: congratulations on stooping lower than I thought any intelligent member could. Keep pushing that bar.

Two thoughts on this.

First is I'm glad we have finally come to a mutual feeling towards each other, especially since I've considered you a loser for quite some time.

Secondly, what makes you so special that everyone, me included, would want to strive for any consideration or opinion level by someone like you to begin with?

As for my contribution to the boards, my posts, threads, and discussions that I've either initiated or participated in speak for themselves. If you think I'm that bad for the PC, then perhaps you should start a poll. ;)

[Parkbandit]

Generally, this type of thread would help the moderator learn from his/her constant mistakes and make some adjustments accordingly. Unfortunately, in this case, I doubt it will work, since she doesn't see the problem with her actions of the past.

[Alfster]

It is embarassing when new people come to these forums, and all they see is a bunch of idiots like you (sean2) post 2 sentence threads that add nothing to the discussion. Or jump all over them because they are fresh meat.

Haha, embarrassing? You're kidding right? Hahahahahahhaa



People bringing up the same old gripes. ruining a good topic by sissy fighting with the same people they always sissy fight with day in and day out. I'll be more then happy to see a moderator come along and slap anyone on the wrists. Hell I'd love to see you get tossed because yer one of the prime examples of ignorance on this forum.

So...much....dumb....coming....from...you...



Without any direction and rules it is what it is. A chaotic mishmash of tantrum throwing slappies. It adds nothing.

Personal attack - moderators DO SOMETHING PLEASE.


This forum does need moderation. And they need to enforce it a little more vigorously then in the past.

Why?


Just because it is a online forum doesn't mean we have to stray from accountability. A little courtesy and civility would improve this place 5-fold.


I'd say no.


I'll be happy to see ilvane stay a moderator. I hope she is thick skinned or getting there each day with the likes of you to deal with.

By thick skinned, I'm guessing you mean fat, and you're right. She's huge.

[Sean of the Thread]

I think we need a Should Illvane step UP as a moderator poll.

[Drisco]

Boo 1 star thread

[Stanley Burrell]

I like your avatar, Drisco, for 'tis pretty cool.

[Drisco]

Heh Its me and the Misses.

Ps. The first time I saw your Avatar I thought about it at random times in the days after and Just broke out laughing.

[Stanley Burrell]

Good stuff.

I haven't changed mine since Backlash personally busted out the l33t photoshop, er, ph0t0$h0pp3 skills and made it board savvy.

Plus I'm determined to out-do Soulpie for the longest withstanding av'. Which I imagine armageddon happening first before the former occurs :-\

[Mistomeer]

Wow .... talk about memories.

Gan, you have successfully joined an elite group of losers. Threads like this contribute as much to the board as a Sean2 post ... :clap: congratulations on stooping lower than I thought any intelligent member could. Keep pushing that bar.


And you're in the elite group of Mods that was demoted. Is that a group of 1?

[Sean of the Thread]

He's in a group of his own. I don't pick on him anymore because it just feels wrong somehow with him being special and all.

[Gan]

LOL Demoted?

I must have either missed or forgotten that story.

Is there a link?

[Blazing247]

Can you feeeeel the love? I sure can.

[Methais]

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[Tsa`ah]

I've never seen a need to have more than 1 account here.

Yet people have, or create, multiple SNs for various purposes. Interestingly enough, polls like this usually have people with a 0 post count or matching IPs voting ... go figure.


Two thoughts on this.

First is I'm glad we have finally come to a mutual feeling towards each other, especially since I've considered you a loser for quite some time.

You base this on how I express my opinion, which differs from your own. I base my opinion on behavior ... such as this.

If my opinions, successes, failures ... et al make me a loser in your eyes, well I'll not be shedding any tears or show any remorse over it. I'm not the one that makes meaningless polls to bash the staff of a forum I chose to post in.

So we have you, who places people in the loser category because of a differing opinion or frame of mind, and on the opposite end of the spectrum there is me who would rather someone prove themselves to be a loser over dumb shit like this.

Once again I offer my congratulations.


Secondly, what makes you so special that everyone, me included, would want to strive for any consideration or opinion level by someone like you to begin with?

Why would I care? Why should you? Why waste the time and energy to drum up drama like this, and in doing so, be lumped together with the biggest tards in PC history? I personally don't give a rat's ass what you or anyone else thinks of me ... why in turn would or should I care or desire any faceless person to strive to appease me? Let alone you?

Again, I'm not the one that has created a thread about a staff member of a message board that no one forces me to read, post, or pay for.


As for my contribution to the boards, my posts, threads, and discussions that I've either initiated or participated in speak for themselves. If you think I'm that bad for the PC, then perhaps you should start a poll. ;)

All of that gets flushed down the toilet when you take the chump route ... sorry guy, but if you can't see that ... well, there's no hope of anyone but the ever evolving peanut gallery taking you seriously.


And you're in the elite group of Mods that was demoted. Is that a group of 1?

Hahaha ... way to spin it multiple log on boy. How many times did you vote?

Maybe you should give some detail about my "demotion" ... but I forget, you're a lifetime member of the peanut gallery with no clue about what transpired. Your sole purpose around that time was to spit up as much shit as you could.

Keep on voting ... and often in the same polls. No one really expects less.


He's in a group of his own. I don't pick on him anymore because it just feels wrong somehow with him being special and all.

Translation for the number one forum troll ... "I can't keep up anymore, I really never could but faking it makes my head hurt"


LOL Demoted?

I must have either missed or forgotten that story.

Is there a link?

I'm sure if you could go back more than 500 posts into a person's history you'd be able to find it, but it wasn't really anything spectacular.

In a nutshell a loser had a problem with getting a post yanked, wouldn't stop and started a thread ... just like this.

Other butthurt trolls who had a history of getting posts yanked decided to jump in. They claimed a majority ... yet there weren't that many of them. Polls were created, and in doing so ... new log ins appeared to vote as well ... along with accounts with matching IPs.

Long story short. This teenage Llyod Christmas (http://www.jerrydroberts.com/brokedowncinema/Poster/2003%20-%20Dumb.jpg) went emo over getting posts yanked or edited. Suddenly people with a history of this sort of bullshit (your poll) and trolling had a problem with the way I moderated the forum as a super mod. They bitched, I didn't change the way I moderated and well ... they weren't getting any support. Suddenly they had an issue with an avatar I was using (Bush sucking Saudi cock) after a few months of not having a problem with it.

Emo Lloyd Christmas decided to take a picture of me and make it into an avatar ... which is a no no . I had enough of him and gave him an option, remove it or watch his posts disappear. He thought I was bluffing and shit his pants when his post count started to drop and thus his e-peen start to shrink.

After the incident Kranar gave me options, I took one. Hence my demotion from super mod to mod. The peanut gallery took it as a victory, it didn't change anything but the title. Posts were still edited ... and when absolutely necessary ... deleted.

So ... OMG ... there you have my "demotion" ... it's still pretty laughable.

[FinisWolf]

30 For
30 Against

And alot of BS in between.

:yawn:

Finis

[Tsa`ah]

30 For
30 Against

And alot of BS in between.

:yawn:

Finis

I'm willing to bet the numbers were skewed after the 10th vote ... this is the PC where you can vote as many times as you have screen names.

[Bobmuhthol]

<<Hahaha ... way to spin it multiple log on boy. How many times did you vote?

Maybe you should give some detail about my "demotion" ... but I forget, you're a lifetime member of the peanut gallery with no clue about what transpired. Your sole purpose around that time was to spit up as much shit as you could.

Keep on voting ... and often in the same polls. No one really expects less.>>

Speculation from a member on another member's actions which you cannot at all ever actually prove or believe based on facts sure does discredit a true statement. Saying "demotion" instead of plainly stating that it was a demotion does not make it less of a demotion. Other people's actions at the time do not reflect at all on what your behavior should be; unless you are completely mindless, you should have your own standards independent of everyone else. You apparently know everything about Mistomeer to combat one thing that he said in this thread, and even challenge him on the basis that he doesn't know the details of the events leading up to your demotion, but you're refuting nothing that he said: "And you're in the elite group of Mods that was demoted." Show me where Mistomeer's post includes any allusion to the reason why you were demoted and I'll stop posting on this forum forever.

[Mistomeer]

And you're in the elite group of Mods that was demoted. Is that a group of 1?




Hahaha ... way to spin it multiple log on boy. How many times did you vote?

So ... OMG ... there you have my "demotion" ... it's still pretty laughable.

What exactly did I spin?

The topic isn't your stellar run as a Super Mod and then a Mod, but rather Ilvane's so you can just PM me if you want to continue the discussion.

[FinisWolf]

30 For
31 Against

[Methais]

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a162/DoyleHargraves/InternetSeriousBusiness.jpg

[Sean of the Thread]

Yet people have, or create, multiple SNs for various purposes. Interestingly enough, polls like this usually have people with a 0 post count or matching IPs voting ... go figure.



You base this on how I express my opinion, which differs from your own. I base my opinion on behavior ... such as this.

If my opinions, successes, failures ... et al make me a loser in your eyes, well I'll not be shedding any tears or show any remorse over it. I'm not the one that makes meaningless polls to bash the staff of a forum I chose to post in.

So we have you, who places people in the loser category because of a differing opinion or frame of mind, and on the opposite end of the spectrum there is me who would rather someone prove themselves to be a loser over dumb shit like this.

Once again I offer my congratulations.



Why would I care? Why should you? Why waste the time and energy to drum up drama like this, and in doing so, be lumped together with the biggest tards in PC history? I personally don't give a rat's ass what you or anyone else thinks of me ... why in turn would or should I care or desire any faceless person to strive to appease me? Let alone you?

Again, I'm not the one that has created a thread about a staff member of a message board that no one forces me to read, post, or pay for.



All of that gets flushed down the toilet when you take the chump route ... sorry guy, but if you can't see that ... well, there's no hope of anyone but the ever evolving peanut gallery taking you seriously.



Hahaha ... way to spin it multiple log on boy. How many times did you vote?

Maybe you should give some detail about my "demotion" ... but I forget, you're a lifetime member of the peanut gallery with no clue about what transpired. Your sole purpose around that time was to spit up as much shit as you could.

Keep on voting ... and often in the same polls. No one really expects less.



Translation for the number one forum troll ... "I can't keep up anymore, I really never could but faking it makes my head hurt"



I'm sure if you could go back more than 500 posts into a person's history you'd be able to find it, but it wasn't really anything spectacular.

In a nutshell a loser had a problem with getting a post yanked, wouldn't stop and started a thread ... just like this.

Other butthurt trolls who had a history of getting posts yanked decided to jump in. They claimed a majority ... yet there weren't that many of them. Polls were created, and in doing so ... new log ins appeared to vote as well ... along with accounts with matching IPs.

Long story short. This teenage Llyod Christmas (http://www.jerrydroberts.com/brokedowncinema/Poster/2003%20-%20Dumb.jpg) went emo over getting posts yanked or edited. Suddenly people with a history of this sort of bullshit (your poll) and trolling had a problem with the way I moderated the forum as a super mod. They bitched, I didn't change the way I moderated and well ... they weren't getting any support. Suddenly they had an issue with an avatar I was using (Bush sucking Saudi cock) after a few months of not having a problem with it.

Emo Lloyd Christmas decided to take a picture of me and make it into an avatar ... which is a no no . I had enough of him and gave him an option, remove it or watch his posts disappear. He thought I was bluffing and shit his pants when his post count started to drop and thus his e-peen start to shrink.

After the incident Kranar gave me options, I took one. Hence my demotion from super mod to mod. The peanut gallery took it as a victory, it didn't change anything but the title. Posts were still edited ... and when absolutely necessary ... deleted.

So ... OMG ... there you have my "demotion" ... it's still pretty laughable.

You're damned right it's pretty laughable. My side hurts it's so funny. You whine more than Illvane and Al Gore combined.

So to sum it up: Everytime in the PC's history that one of these uproars in opinion on a douche mod have come up.. it's resulted in a better change. (yours included).

This time however since Illvane really has no authority over any real folder I doubt there will be any change. Hopefully she'll stop dropping stupid threats to delete or punish in other mod's folders because she's butt hurt over her "friends" getting called out.

That's really all that is needed. I think she makes a fine folder janitor otherwise.

[Kranar]

So to sum it up: Everytime in the PC's history that one of these uproars in opinion on a douche mod have come up.. it's resulted in a better change. (yours included).


I wouldn't actually say things have resulted in a better change, but quite the opposite actually. The forums are in many ways far more hostile and one dimensional than they used to be and when these uproars and dramatic episodes occur what usually happens is some people who volunteered to help out on the forums get fed up and decide to leave. It's a pretty consistent trend and one that has definitely damaged the forums.

I know we do have a community of posters here, but some of you get this overwhelming sense of entitlement on here as if this were a high school playground and you're the big kids who aren't to be messed with. Doing things like belittling others, using insults, embarrasments, and ganging up to pressure your way of thinking on others as if the forums ought to revolve around you.

The fact of the matter is that this conflict isn't as one sided and as one dimensional as you guys make it out to be. As if it deserves such an incredibly hostile and dramatic episode over it. Yes, I agree that there is a conflict between allowing people to vent their frustration over GMs who get their personal life far too involved and mixed up with the game that they're entrusted to administer, as well as us wanting to prevent personal details of a human beings life from being posted all over this forum so that a bunch of trolls can have a field day getting a kick out of someone elses humiliation.

Some moderators, including Ilvane, have sided with the GM on this issue... Oh what a horror and injustice that must be; let's go start an entire episode about it to pressure her to quit and feel stupid about herself so we can pat ourselves on the back.

I don't doubt that some people really do have a sincere problem regarding whether GMs personal lives should be protected from the forums... and those people are expressing their points of view without being childish about it, and making good points for that matter. But there's also no doubt in my mind that many of you are also just using this problem as an excuse to gang up on someone you don't like, and that's something I resent and think does everyone who's a part of this community a great disservice.

[Methais]

I wouldn't actually say things have resulted in a better change, but quite the opposite actually. The forums are in many ways far more hostile and one dimensional than they used to be and when these uproars and dramatic episodes occur what usually happens is some people who volunteered to help out on the forums get fed up and decide to leave. It's a pretty consistent trend and one that has definitely damaged the forums.

The less moderation, the better, imho.

[Gan]

You base this on how I express my opinion, which differs from your own. I base my opinion on behavior ... such as this.

If my opinions, successes, failures ... et al make me a loser in your eyes, well I'll not be shedding any tears or show any remorse over it. I'm not the one that makes meaningless polls to bash the staff of a forum I chose to post in.

So we have you, who places people in the loser category because of a differing opinion or frame of mind, and on the opposite end of the spectrum there is me who would rather someone prove themselves to be a loser over dumb shit like this.

Once again I offer my congratulations.

You need to go back and consider my words more carefully, since you're only reading into them what you want to see. Here let me help you with the specifics.

What I said, "First is I'm glad we have finally come to a mutual feeling towards each other, especially since I've considered you a loser for quite some time."

Just so you're not continually confused. I'm not considering you a loser just because you disagree with me in this thread. I consider you a loser, and have done so for quite some time, based on the content of the posts you have made in the past as well as the shortsidedness you continue to display when responding to other's posts. This opinion that I have of you, just so we're clear, reaches back a few years now, its not nothing new or a revalation, its just something that I've not had a need to illustrate any clearer because you dont frequent the boards as much as you used to.

Additionally I could care less how successful you think you are or have become, and find it quite funny that you feel the need to bring that up in defending your internet honor. Newsflash, its the internet buddy, nobody cares about you, especially here, except perhaps you. Please take a moment and get over yourself.

With regards to bashing the staff. I reserve the right, as a member of the forums and as long as its within TOS, to bash whomever I wish. If there was a supreme problem with this, then either I would be banned by now, or I would have been effectively run off by an overwhelming majority of the board's population. For a good example of this, see Xcalibur or XTC. As a fellow member on these boards, one cant pick and choose what type of participation others can engage in except through the parameters of TOS. Just the same as a moderator cant pick and choose how to administer their authority as a moderation, with the expectation of not being called on it. With this last point, its easy to see from your history, that you would not understand this.

In conclusion, please try another means to debase what I'm trying to say, because you're either lost or incompetent in understanding what was really said. I'll let you try to figure out which.

:clap:

You deserve a hand, seriously.

[Sean of the Thread]

I wouldn't actually say things have resulted in a better change, but quite the opposite actually.



Not many would agree with you. Things have been much better overall.. I'd wager that you've lost more GOOD volunteer's because of the bad volunteer's bullshit.

[Gan]

Here's a simple solution.

Delete all threads and folders except for those explicitly involving Gemstone. That way you can pretty much cut out all activity by those who post here that do not play anymore.

Then you can amend TOS to empower mods to silence or delete any post or any flame, any off topic remark, any reference to any specific character or player, and then just call the boards the Gemstone IV offical forums part 2.

That would definately run me off. ;) (after I've sold off all my GS shit though)

[FinisWolf]

Kranar~

So make a new TOS. :shrug: A simple one that states something like you can either state your disagreements in an educated adult manner, or your post will be pulled, and you can be possibly locked out of the PC. :shrug:

I *think* as long as people can still vent and they can still call Bullshit that this would be an applauded change.

This might also force some people to stop posting here, but then who needs the guy or gal that says something like; "You're just a douche bag fuck that doesn't know crap about grammar ... ... ..." Heck, a change like this might even force individuals to think before they post and use their heads.

Just a thought.

Finis

[Blazing247]

Ok now that that's resolved, let's make a poll to decide which PC forum poster gets their posting privileges revoked.

[FinisWolf]

I nominate:

Me

Finis

[FinisWolf]

31 For
34 Against

:yawn:

[Bobmuhthol]

31-33, my vote still doesn't count.

[Whimsi]

Personally I'd like to see Kranar shut the PC down entirely. The amusement I'd gain thinking about all the internet bullies here needing to find a new forum home would far outweigh the loss of the PC lmao

I'd bet dollars to donuts that Kranar has considered doing just this too from time to time.

[Parkbandit]

I wouldn't actually say things have resulted in a better change, but quite the opposite actually. The forums are in many ways far more hostile and one dimensional than they used to be and when these uproars and dramatic episodes occur what usually happens is some people who volunteered to help out on the forums get fed up and decide to leave. It's a pretty consistent trend and one that has definitely damaged the forums.

I know we do have a community of posters here, but some of you get this overwhelming sense of entitlement on here as if this were a high school playground and you're the big kids who aren't to be messed with. Doing things like belittling others, using insults, embarrasments, and ganging up to pressure your way of thinking on others as if the forums ought to revolve around you.

The fact of the matter is that this conflict isn't as one sided and as one dimensional as you guys make it out to be. As if it deserves such an incredibly hostile and dramatic episode over it. Yes, I agree that there is a conflict between allowing people to vent their frustration over GMs who get their personal life far too involved and mixed up with the game that they're entrusted to administer, as well as us wanting to prevent personal details of a human beings life from being posted all over this forum so that a bunch of trolls can have a field day getting a kick out of someone elses humiliation.

Some moderators, including Ilvane, have sided with the GM on this issue... Oh what a horror and injustice that must be; let's go start an entire episode about it to pressure her to quit and feel stupid about herself so we can pat ourselves on the back.

I don't doubt that some people really do have a sincere problem regarding whether GMs personal lives should be protected from the forums... and those people are expressing their points of view without being childish about it, and making good points for that matter. But there's also no doubt in my mind that many of you are also just using this problem as an excuse to gang up on someone you don't like, and that's something I resent and think does everyone who's a part of this community a great disservice.


Teach your moderators how to moderate consistantly and we probably wouldn't have much of an issue with them. It's not difficult, here.. I'll help you out.

TREAT EACH POSTER HERE THE SAME EXACT WAY, REGARDLESS OF YOUR FEELINGS ON THE MATTER.

Man, that wasn't too difficult. I wonder how a couple of them have such a difficult time with such a very simple concept.

It's amazing how you point out that boo hoo, people are picking on Ilvane because she's fucking stupid instead of actually looking at the way she conducts herself and her moderation according to her friendship meter.

[Artha]

TREAT EACH POSTER HERE THE SAME EXACT WAY
That's stupid. Everyone makes mistakes sometimes, but if you're being a douche all the time there's a problem, and even if you're not violating policy all the time, that should be taken into account.

[Jolena]

I still can't understand why people who seem to dislike things so much continue to post here. Especially when they seem to be very adamantly disagreeing and even have an intense dislike of the person who owns and runs it.

[Skirmisher]

That's stupid. Everyone makes mistakes sometimes, but if you're being a douche all the time there's a problem, and even if you're not violating policy all the time, that should be taken into account.

100% agree. Don't hold your breath waiting for me to treat every poster exactly the same.

If i know you are an asshole who enjoys nothing more than pushing the envelope you wont be getting alot of slack from me.

I'm not a robot and when the day comes that such is demanded of me, i'll be glad to step down.

[DeV]

let's make a poll to decide which PC forum poster gets their posting privileges revoked.:yes:


I voted fuck no.

[Blazing247]

100% agree. Don't hold your breath waiting for me to treat every poster exactly the same.

If i know you are an asshole who enjoys nothing more than pushing the envelope you wont be getting alot of slack from me.

I'm not a robot and when the day comes that such is demanded of me, i'll be glad to step down.


Oh, blow it out your ass Skirm!

[DeV]

TREAT EACH POSTER HERE THE SAME EXACT WAY, REGARDLESS OF YOUR FEELINGS ON THE MATTER.

No current moderator on this forum treats each poster here the exact same way. This shouldn't be expected of a moderator let alone a regular poster anyway.

I could agree with you saying treat each post objectively, even ones you may disagree with, regardless of your personal feelings on the matter. Then again, even that's a stretch. Moderating with fairness is good enough for me.

[Asha]

What Stray said at the start of the thread. And I despise mods that don't do shit too.
I can just tell myself that though and I don't need a public thread to justify or reassure my opinion.
I think this a shit thing to do.

[FinisWolf]

35 For
39 Against

And I am still :yawn: ing

Finis

[StrayRogue]

I haven't cast my vote simply because the third option wasn't available.

[Methais]

I haven't cast my vote simply because the third option wasn't available.

"I wish I was Richard Simmons" wouldn't exactly have made sense as an option.

[StrayRogue]

Whose Richard Simmons?

But if there had been a third option entitled "I don't give a shit (get the fuck over yourselves)" I probably would have voted.

Additionally, I think a better poll would have been:

"Should we maintain an air of secrecy and privacy about the GM's, their characters and their personal lives?"

Basically we don't about anyone else here, so why do they get protection?

[Tea & Strumpets]

Definitely a double standard going on. You may not like random insults directed at your friends, but "your friends" shouldn't be receiving special treatment.

A mod should never threaten to delete posts because "they like the person you are talking about".

I just find it odd that Kranar posted that some posts would be deleted because they were inappropriate, when I could post the same content about other posters on this board and have no problems.

I've never had a post pulled or edited on these boards, so I like them and appreciate them being here, I just don't like certain people receiving special treatment.

[Gan]

Whose Richard Simmons?

Who is...

http://www.usdreams.com/photos%20achievers/SimmonsRP44KS.jpg

[grapedog]

i'm not voting, because I can't say that I've seen any point where Ilvane has caused a problem(save this thread itself which to parrot someone else, seems more like a witch hunt)except perhaps in the political thread where there are always going to be differing opinions.

I'd also have to agree with Davenshire, on one point. My first few days here, I saw some real asshats making posts.

Maybe if everyone here acted a little more grown up, less moderation would be required. Like using a picture of some other poster as an avatar...it's really childish. I think Parkbandit is douchebag in the politics folder...but I haven't had a problem with him outside that arena so far. Aside from politics, he seems pretty normal.

There is a definite sense of entitlement here though...sadly. It can turn away new blood...

[Sean of the Thread]

Rofl what illvane was doing wasn't moderating... it was more "waaaaah stop picking on my friends or I'll pretend that I can delete posts in a folder that isn't mine to moderate! waaaaah"

[Parkbandit]

i'm not voting, because I can't say that I've seen any point where Ilvane has caused a problem(save this thread itself which to parrot someone else, seems more like a witch hunt)except perhaps in the political thread where there are always going to be differing opinions.

I'd also have to agree with Davenshire, on one point. My first few days here, I saw some real asshats making posts.

Maybe if everyone here acted a little more grown up, less moderation would be required. Like using a picture of some other poster as an avatar...it's really childish. I think Parkbandit is douchebag in the politics folder...but I haven't had a problem with him outside that arena so far. Aside from politics, he seems pretty normal.

There is a definite sense of entitlement here though...sadly. It can turn away new blood...

That's only because you are a dumb liberal. :P

BTW - If I was a good friend of Ilvane's, I would report this post as an attack on my personal character.

[Gan]

i'm not voting, because I can't say that I've seen any point where Ilvane has caused a problem(save this thread itself which to parrot someone else, seems more like a witch hunt)except perhaps in the political thread where there are always going to be differing opinions.

I'd also have to agree with Davenshire, on one point. My first few days here, I saw some real asshats making posts.

Maybe if everyone here acted a little more grown up, less moderation would be required. Like using a picture of some other poster as an avatar...it's really childish. I think Parkbandit is douchebag in the politics folder...but I haven't had a problem with him outside that arena so far. Aside from politics, he seems pretty normal.

There is a definite sense of entitlement here though...sadly. It can turn away new blood...

As someone with only 146 posts and a join date of May 2007, I would offer some advice to wait a while and experience these boards more before you wrap yourself in such an opinion.

[Alfster]

Who used a picture of someone else as their avatar?

pleas be Dev

[Sean of the Thread]

I got pwnt for someones picture as an avatar too.

[Sean]

Tsa`ah had issues with it when Lycain posted here. It's in his post earlier in the thread about his mod "demotion"

[Meges]

...

There is a definite sense of entitlement here though...sadly. It can turn away new blood...

Then, don't let the door hit you on the way out.


Meges

[grapedog]

As someone with only 146 posts and a join date of May 2007, I would offer some advice to wait a while and experience these boards more before you wrap yourself in such an opinion.

well, I've got thick skin, i don't give a shit what other people think most times, and I'm stubborn...so, I don't plan on going anywhere.

That said, it is still important that you have the opinions of people who haven't been here that long. If nothing else, it gives you a view of the Players Corner which you may no longer see, but could be just as valid as your own.

I would also agree, that just because you don't like the what is being posted, doesn't mean you can go ahead and delete it...what the fuck are forums for at that point.

[Alfster]

I got pwnt for someones picture as an avatar too.

You look like a Jew

(fucker, lolz)

[DeV]

Who used a picture of someone else as their avatar?

pleas be DevHaha, no, unless you count my girlfriend, but that was years ago.

[Tsa`ah]

....


Bob has been taking lessons from Latrin ... or is it the other way around.

I'll respond to the intent as much as I wish Bob. He took a shot and got a shot back ... nothing more and nothing less.


What exactly did I spin?

The topic isn't your stellar run as a Super Mod and then a Mod, but rather Ilvane's so you can just PM me if you want to continue the discussion.

Take a jab, get a broken nose ... run and say it's not the fight you wanted to pick. Hold your breath for that PM.


You're damned right it's pretty laughable. My side hurts it's so funny. You whine more than Illvane and Al Gore combined.

This deserved quotations. Tell you what troll boy ... go back and count how many threads I started with the sole purpose to bitch about moderation or moderators ... and compare that to yours.

I've got a pacifier for you when you're done crybaby.


So to sum it up: Everytime in the PC's history that one of these uproars in opinion on a douche mod have come up.. it's resulted in a better change. (yours included).

Yet for all the bitching coming from douches like you ... not one person has been removed or demoted over it. In fact, there has been little to no change done at the behest of crybabies and trolls. Plenty of change due to them however.


This time however since Illvane really has no authority over any real folder I doubt there will be any change. Hopefully she'll stop dropping stupid threats to delete or punish in other mod's folders because she's butt hurt over her "friends" getting called out.

Join Mist in holding your breath ... I'll be laughing.


You need to go back and consider my words more carefully, since you're only reading into them what you want to see.

That's about all I'm going to quote ... simply because you need to take your own advice. I'll even make it easier for you.


Why would I care? Why should you? Why waste the time and energy to drum up drama like this, and in doing so, be lumped together with the biggest tards in PC history? I personally don't give a rat's ass what you or anyone else thinks of me ... why in turn would or should I care or desire any faceless person to strive to appease me? Let alone you?

I had tears in my eyes and I thought you hurt my feelings ... then I realized I was laughing so hard at the absurdity of Ganalon.

Get over yourself. You're not changing anything, you're not ushering in change, your not championing change ... you're taking douche lessons from Sean2. About the only two things you have accomplished is getting a nomination for the crybaby of the month award and proved to everyone what a little skinned knee bitch you are.

Pretty soon you'll be throwing around words like "most" and "majority" coupled with "us" ... even when there are less than 15 of you out 500 people in the last month.

[Gan]

I had tears in my eyes and I thought you hurt my feelings ... then I realized I was laughing so hard at the absurdity of Ganalon.
LOL at your attempt to diffuse the fact that you're upset that I made a thread about the behavior of a moderator here on the PC. Someone who amazingly enough has managed to remain a moderator where you failed.


Get over yourself. You're not changing anything, you're not ushering in change, your not championing change ... you're taking douche lessons from Sean2.
Take your rittalin and have some patience. While I highly doubt, and did so prior to posting this poll/thread, that this would force much less encourage Kranar to make a change; I do know the effect it will have in either modifying the behavior of the subject. To what extent, well, we'll just have to wait and see.

PS. For an example, I'll point you to how active Harmnone is after the poll and threads were made about her idiocy.

Oh, and funny you call people out on school yard tactics and in the same breath calling people douches, losers and other colloquial pseudonyms. :clap:


About the only two things you have accomplished is getting a nomination for the crybaby of the month award and proved to everyone what a little skinned knee bitch you are.
See above. Thanks for illustrating my point about how seriously people should take your posts.


Pretty soon you'll be throwing around words like "most" and "majority" coupled with "us" ... even when there are less than 15 of you out 500 people in the last month.
I dont have to throw words like that out. I'll just let the numbers and others speak for themselves. I'll let you handle the bandwagon approach, since you're so adept at it.

[Nieninque]

"I wish I was Richard Simmons" wouldn't exactly have made sense as an option.

:rofl:

Edited to add: hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahah a

[Tsa`ah]

...

Oye ... you either like to see your own posts, or you feel the need to justify your childish actions.

Either way you're welcome to the last word. You have proved how pathetic you are ... it's enough for me.

[Gan]

Oye ... you either like to see your own posts, or you feel the need to justify your childish actions.

Either way you're welcome to the last word. You have proved how pathetic you are ... it's enough for me.

Read: I have nothing else to contribute and cant refute whats plainly evident, YOU GET THE LAST WORD!!! omgomgomg!!!

Whatever. Thanks for your input, no soup would be complete without a little shit to flavor the taste...

[Celephais]

Oye ... you either like to see your own posts, or you feel the need to justify your childish actions.

Either way you're welcome to the last word. You have proved how pathetic you are ... it's enough for me.

Umm... generally if you want to gracefully give someone the last word you don't say anything... and :rofl: at calling his actions childish and then calling him pathetic and saying I'm out.

[DeV]

Something tells me he wasn't really going for graceful.

Terse would be a more fitting description.

[Gan]

For a really good laugh, perhaps he could go back and delete all of his posts in the thread...

[Nieninque]

"I wish I was Richard Simmons" wouldn't exactly have made sense as an option.

Still :rofl:ing

[Stanley Burrell]

Out of sheer, morbid curiousity, and just having seen a very select few individuals actually having beef with Ilvane: How did fourty votes get cast? I don't remember a fraction of that many people having any serious "issues" with her :shrug:

And to be less condescending, who, exactly, was the retarded, learning-impaired, stupid-ass, dipshittily unintelligent tard-face who spent effort making 40 multiple accounts for a fucking poll thread?

[Gan]

While there's no doubt that there are some duplicity on both sides of the voting. My main goal of making the poll private was to draw out those who would not have normally voted simply because they wished to remain anonomyous.

With that consideration in place, I wonder if moderators or administrators have access to the actual poll participation. This is territory I'm unfamiliar with in my experience with this format of forums.

[CrystalTears]

It's been a while, but I'm pretty sure that mods and admins have access to the poll information.

Regardless, these polls don't really accomplish anything. I don't have THAT much angst against Ilvane to cause this kind of stir. She irritates me sure :tongue: but she's not doing anything wrong as far as moderating goes.

The boards will never make everyone happy. Some want more moderation to occur, others want less, some want consistency, some don't care. I like the boards regardless of its hangups and only loss of interest in the topics will cause me to leave, not who is in charge of what and who can do what to my posts.

[Bobmuhthol]

<<some want consistency, some don't care>>

So, then, everyone is satisfied with consistency.

I vote we get some.

[CrystalTears]

Well there are also some that feel that the boards aren't consistent, but we've heard Kranar say that they will never be, so no sense in knocking on that door again.

[Trinitis]

LOL at your attempt to diffuse the fact that you're upset that I made a thread about the behavior of a moderator here on the PC. Someone who amazingly enough has managed to remain a moderator where you failed.

It's been stated multiple times, and once already in this thraed that he did not get removed as a super mod, he had the option to stay, he opted not to.


Take your rittalin and have some patience. While I highly doubt, and did so prior to posting this poll/thread, that this would force much less encourage Kranar to make a change; I do know the effect it will have in either modifying the behavior of the subject. To what extent, well, we'll just have to wait and see.

Kranar has already stated in this thread that these threads do nothing to change anything, other then making said person being hunted feel bad and normally un-volunteer for the mod position. He clearly stated he's never been swayed to make any changes by these type of threads.


PS. For an example, I'll point you to how active Harmnone is after the poll and threads were made about her idiocy.

This is you being dumb. You know nothing and just assume. Currently Harmnone is dealing with some family health issues.

[Gan]

It's been stated multiple times, and once already in this thraed that he did not get removed as a super mod, he had the option to stay, he opted not to.
Go back and read his post, especially the tone and wording. Pay attention to the actions surrounding what happened, and look at the results, and then look at what not was said as well as ask yourself why he's not a mod now. Enough said.



Kranar has already stated in this thread that these threads do nothing to change anything, other then making said person being hunted feel bad and normally un-volunteer for the mod position. He clearly stated he's never been swayed to make any changes by these type of threads.
Which is great to know in retrospect, especially IF this threads intent was to influence Kranar (which it wasnt). Thanks for restating the obvious though.



This is you being dumb. You know nothing and just assume. Currently Harmnone is dealing with some family health issues.
Yea, right. Whatever. Have you polished your armor and fed your horse yet?

[Alfster]

Kranar has already stated in this thread that these threads do nothing to change anything, other then making said person being hunted feel bad and normally un-volunteer for the mod position.




Pretty sure that's the intent of the thread...getting her to leave.

[Trinitis]

Go back and read his post, especially the tone and wording. Pay attention to the actions surrounding what happened, and look at the results, and then look at what not was said as well as ask yourself why he's not a mod now. Enough said.

I don't need to. I was a mod during that time. You seem to think mods don't communicate at all.



Which is great to know in retrospect, especially IF this threads intent was to influence Kranar (which it wasnt). Thanks for restating the obvious though.

Oh sure. And if Kranar busted in and said "Ya know, maybe I should make a change" ya'll would be spouting off how you made this thread for just that reason.



Yea, right. Whatever. Have you polished your armor and fed your horse yet?

I could care less if you believe it or not. You obviously know nothing about Harmnone. It was a fairly well known fact back when I was a mod that HN is taking care of two elderly family members.

[Hulkein]

It's been stated multiple times, and once already in this thraed that he did not get removed as a super mod, he had the option to stay, he opted not to.



Kranar has already stated in this thread that these threads do nothing to change anything, other then making said person being hunted feel bad and normally un-volunteer for the mod position. He clearly stated he's never been swayed to make any changes by these type of threads.



This is you being dumb. You know nothing and just assume. Currently Harmnone is dealing with some family health issues.

Have you always had this name or did you get it changed? If so, what was your old name?

[Trinitis]

Have you always had this name or did you get it changed? If so, what was your old name?


I was a mod with this name. I was also a mod under my old name Adredrin. But when I stopped playing GS, I changed it to Trinitis.

[Gan]

I don't need to. I was a mod during that time. You seem to think mods don't communicate at all.
Unless Tsa'ah told you directly, I highly doubt that the details of the actions between Kranar and Tsa'ah were divulged by Kranar. Especially since this would be considered a private matter between the admin and the behavior/consequence of a mod's actions.



Oh sure. And if Kranar busted in and said "Ya know, maybe I should make a change" ya'll would be spouting off how you made this thread for just that reason.
Since its already been stated otherwise, you are incorrect.



I could care less if you believe it or not. You obviously know nothing about Harmnone. It was a fairly well known fact back when I was a mod that HN is taking care of two elderly family members.
Its not my duty to know, I'm only pointing out the obvious. Glad you're so in touch with the staff here on the PC though. Give her our best will you!

[Trinitis]

Again, you assume the mods to not communicate. They are people, and as I remember it, the mod section of the boards was normally more busy then most of the other areas.

[Gan]

Since you're not offering proof, nor anything else to back what you're saying up. I'll just have to take your word for it eh?

Or could it be you that is assuming?

[Alfster]

Fairly certain there's a folder where the mods talk about shit. HarmNone, with infractions, would send along a little statement that said, "I posted this in the Mod folder and they all agree me with me on this, x number of points"

[Bobmuhthol]

<<Fairly certain there's a folder where the mods talk about shit.>>

There 100%, absolutely, undeniably is, and it is active.

[Trinitis]

Proof? Yah, that'd make a difference. You don't believe anyone's statements about the subject, even when they had MORE access to the information then you did. There is no *proof* you'd accept. As such the argument is moot. I was simply stating the facts. You're willingness to accept them are not my problem.

You have the primary person involved telling you what happened. You have someone else who was "there" during the time frame confirming what happened, and you have your opinion. It's clear you only really care about one of those.

[Gan]

Of a folder existing to discuss the actions of members, there is no doubt as to its existance.

What Trinitis is referencing, and what I'm calling him/her on is the availability of the terms that Kranar offered Tsa'ah as a consequence for the deletion of the member's posts. Like any matter involving someone in authority modifying behavioral actions, its usually done privately. Somehow I dont see Kranar diverging from this manner on this specific issue. I could be wrong, but the evidence presented thus far doesnt give me a different impression.

[Alfster]

Doesn't really sound like Kranar's style, but who the hell cares? That was years ago

[Bobmuhthol]

<<What Trinitis is referencing, and what I'm calling him/her on is the availability of the terms that Kranar offered Tsa'ah as a consequence for the deletion of the member's posts.>>

I can tell you right now that the options were to stop being a mod or to be demoted from Super Mod to Mod of specific folders, and it was very much public information.

[Gan]

Proof? Yah, that'd make a difference. You don't believe anyone's statements about the subject, even when they had MORE access to the information then you did. There is no *proof* you'd accept. As such the argument is moot. I was simply stating the facts. You're willingness to accept them are not my problem.
Again, statements of fact without proof arent necessarily fact. Thats just your opinion. Too bad you seem to be confused on this matter.


You have the primary person involved telling you what happened. Not the whole story...


You have someone else who was "there" during the time frame confirming what happened, and you have your opinion.
I'm calling you on knowing the specific details of Kranar's offer to Tsa'ah, not the events leading up to that point, since thats pretty evident and provable in publically accessable posts...


It's clear you only really care about one of those.
I would say its clear that its you that only care about ONE of those.

[Trinitis]

Of a folder existing to discuss the actions of members, there is no doubt as to its existance.

What Trinitis is referencing, and what I'm calling him/her on is the availability of the terms that Kranar offered Tsa'ah as a consequence for the deletion of the member's posts. Like any matter involving someone in authority modifying behavioral actions, its usually done privately. Somehow I dont see Kranar diverging from this manner on this specific issue. I could be wrong, but the evidence presented thus far doesn't give me a different impression.

You are correct in the statement that Kranar prefers to do such matters in private. But as I said what, four times now? The Mods DO COMMUNICATE. There are mods that are friends with each other. There are mods that don't always see eye to eye. But they do communicate with each other.

[Gan]

You are correct in the statement that Kranar prefers to do such matters in private. But as I said what, four times now? The Mods DO COMMUNICATE. There are mods that are friends with each other. There are mods that don't always see eye to eye. But they do communicate with each other.

Unless you're willing to offer up proof, dont be so quick to call it 'fact'. Still waiting...

Edited to add a few thoughts on this line...

1. Have you ever lied to a friend? Have a friend lie to you?
2. Exactly how would you define an internet friend when it comes to issues of honesty, integrity, etc.
3. In court, when someone attempts to testify as to what someone else was told, its called hearsay. Granted that the PC is not a court of law, I'll just call it hearsay as a nice way of saying 'bullshit'.

[Trinitis]

Unless you're willing to offer up proof, dont be so quick to call it 'fact'. Still waiting...

And what possible proof could be provided that you would accept? Cause ya know I screen shot every thread, U2U, and IM I got while I was a mod. Yeh, sure.

You seem to think that Tsa'ah was hammered down and cowered by some mighty smash from Kranar. Hell, he was not even removed as a mod. He was just downgraded from Super mod to Mod. It's not like he was afraid to talk about it. He's been saying the same thing since the day it happened, both openly and privately. It was his CHOICE.

[Bobmuhthol]

<<What Trinitis is referencing, and what I'm calling him/her on is the availability of the terms that Kranar offered Tsa'ah as a consequence for the deletion of the member's posts.>>

I can tell you right now that the options were to stop being a mod or to be demoted from Super Mod to Mod of specific folders, and it was very much public information.
.

[FinisWolf]

Ganalon,

You need to step back and take a break from this thread. You may have had a valid reason for this thread, but it is becoming very obvious that you are reacting in a manner that you probably do not wish to react in.

Finis

[Gan]

And what possible proof could be provided that you would accept? Cause ya know I screen shot every thread, U2U, and IM I got while I was a mod. Yeh, sure.
I'm only asking you to back up your assertions of fact. I dont care how you do it.


You seem to think that Tsa'ah was hammered down and cowered by some mighty smash from Kranar. Hell, he was not even removed as a mod. He was just downgraded from Super mod to Mod. It's not like he was afraid to talk about it. He's been saying the same thing since the day it happened, both openly and privately. It was his CHOICE.
Actually no, I dont think Tsa'ah was 'hammered down'. I do think that the results of the complaints/threads posted about him resulted in a modification of his moderation ability/behavior. Thats proven. Which was the focus of why someone brought Tsa'ah's issue up in this thread. Since I dont converse with Tsa'ah, I'm in no position to say what he's said privately to his internet 'friends'. However I am pointing out that lacking direct proof otherwise, specific information relating to his issue was not made public (link to thread plz) nor was it semi-publicly discussed in the moderator folder (because Kranar doesnt roll like that IMO), a reasonable person (Latrin will get me on that) is led to believe there was a distinct cause/effect to a bad moderating style and the existence of threads/posts/polls pointing it out.

And yes, he did have a choice, but both choices resulted in corrective action brought forth by a complaint/issue from a poster/member. Yet you seem to fail to grasp what you're basing your argument on. Please try and focus.

Also note I added a few thoughts onto my previous post. I think you'll find them to your liking.

[Skirmisher]

A few posters may be over estimating the degree to which they are able to push Kranar into making changes.

[Gan]

Ganalon,

You need to step back and take a break from this thread. You may have had a valid reason for this thread, but it is becoming very obvious that you are reacting in a manner that you probably do not wish to react in.

Finis

Actually, its a slow day at the office. Never fear though. I'm heading out to dinner shortly so a break will be evidenced.

[Gan]

A few posters may be over estimating the degree to which they are able to push Kranar into making changes.

Reading comprehension seems to be at an all time low as well.

:(

[Skirmisher]

Reading comprehension seems to be at an all time low as well.

:(

Wow, more insults.

Why am I not surprised?

[Trinitis]

I'm only asking you to back up your assertions of fact. I dont care how you do it.

Actually no, I dont think Tsa'ah was 'hammered down'. I do think that the results of the complaints/threads posted about him resulted in a modification of his moderation ability/behavior. Thats proven. Which was the focus of why someone brought Tsa'ah's issue up in this thread. Since I dont converse with Tsa'ah, I'm in no position to say what he's said privately to his internet 'friends'. However I am pointing out that lacking direct proof otherwise, specific information relating to his issue was not made public (link to thread plz) nor was it semi-publicly discussed in the moderator folder (because Kranar doesnt roll like that IMO), a reasonable person (Latrin will get me on that) is led to believe there was a distinct cause/effect to a bad moderating style and the existence of threads/posts/polls pointing it out.

And yes, he did have a choice, but both choices resulted in corrective action brought forth by a complaint/issue from a poster/member. Yet you seem to fail to grasp what you're basing your argument on. Please try and focus.

Also note I added a few thoughts onto my previous post. I think you'll find them to your liking.

You also seem to think that Tsa'ah was "demoted" due to the thread. Which is indeed false. It was done due to his deleting of mass postings due to his anger over that entire fiasco. It had nothing to do with his previous moderation of the forums.

So in the end, Yes, in some twisted, moronic way you're threads of bitching and crying do cause change. But nothing via Kranar. It's all by the choice of the person you're bitching and crying about.

[Bobmuhthol]

Tsa`ah's demotion had nothing to do with a complaint and everything to do with what he did. No member of this forum or any other had any influence over the events that occurred except Tsa`ah.

[Gan]

Wow, more insults.

Why am I not surprised?

Whats insulting is that as a moderator you seem to think that this specific issue, which was addressed only a few posts earlier, still applies, and that you still felt a need to try and point it out where its already been pointed out and addressed. But hey, how you feel is up to you. :)


You also seem to think that Tsa'ah was "demoted" due to the thread. Which is indeed false. It was done due to his deleting of mass postings due to his anger over that entire fiasco. It had nothing to do with his previous moderation of the forums.
His alteration in status was the effect caused by his actions as a moderator. Pure and simple cause and effect. Whats debatable is how much influence the threads made complaining about his actions had on his decision to delete said posts.


So in the end, Yes, in some twisted, moronic way you're threads of bitching and crying do cause change. But nothing via Kranar. It's all by the choice of the person you're bitching and crying about.
Funny how I start one complaint thread and now its ALL MY FAULT that the moderators are picked on and the boards ARE GOING TO HELL IN A HANDBASKET. LOL, please, you give me way too much credit. And your last sentence was totally the aim of the thread, if you have not gotten that impression yet. ;) Thanks for finally coming to the party.

[Trinitis]

Yes yes. Congrats on proving something babies learn in their first few days of life. If you cry enough, someone will finally snap.

[Skirmisher]

Whats insulting is that as a moderator you seem to think that this specific issue, which was addressed only a few posts earlier, still applies, and that you still felt a need to try and point it out where its already been pointed out and addressed. But hey, how you feel is up to you. :)

Once again you overestimate your own importance.

You edited your post at the same time i was deciding to post at all.

I did not refresh my screen to make sure you had not edited a post you made and thats insulting to you.

Wow do you think alot of yourself.

But then if you did not I guess this thread might not exist.

[Nieninque]

Tsa`ah's demotion had nothing to do with a complaint and everything to do with what he did. No member of this forum or any other had any influence over the events that occurred except Tsa`ah.

Not quite true.

He deleted a load of Psykos' posts.
Psykos complained.
Kranar responded.
I seem to recall, correct me if I'm wrong (as if someone wouldnt do that), but Tsa'ah was given the choice of resign as a mod completely, or take a demotion.

Hence, if Psykos didnt complain, no action wouldnt have been forthcoming, therefore a member of this forum had some influence of the events that occurred.

[Bobmuhthol]

<<Hence, if Psykos didnt complain, no action wouldnt have been forthcoming, therefore a member of this forum had some influence of the events that occurred.>>

Not quite true.

Reporting a violation of written law isn't exactly causing punishment... if I get stabbed, and I report the guy to the police, and he goes to jail, I am not the reason he went to jail.

[Nieninque]

You have a role in it, as reporting the incident.
If you didnt report it, the guy wouldnt have gone to jail.

Not saying that this incident is anything like Tsa'ah's, but if Psykos had just accepted that Tsa'ah was deleting stuff, it is unlikely that Kranar would have known about it. Then again, that wouldnt have been Psykos, bless his little cotton socks.

It's semantics anyway. Time for bed for me.

[Sean]

You can't offer proof of things from the CCH without more or less being banned since you aren't allowed to divulge whats discussed there.

[TheEschaton]

Why the fuck has this thread gone to 170 posts?

[Mistomeer]

Take a jab, get a broken nose ... run and say it's not the fight you wanted to pick. Hold your breath for that PM.


How did you break my nose? I said you got demoted and you said you got demoted. Sure, your version was the long-winded story about some children provoking the mature adult into breaking rules, but the end was the same - demotion from Super Mod to Mod.

YOU SURE SHOWED ME!!!
OMG MY NOSE IS HURTING SO BADLY IT MUST BE BROKEN!!!

Edited to add:
My whole reason for taking it to PM was so that it wouldn't further derail the thread. Also, I merely responded to your original post to challenge your "expertise" on moderating the board, not in an effort into goading you into a flame war over something that happened years ago. Good to see you've moved on.

[LazyBard]

Why the fuck has this thread gone to 170 posts?

Because I need something to read while I am at work or I might actually be forced to do something that resembles work.

[Hulkein]

Why the fuck has this thread gone to 170 posts?

Because Ilvane sucks.

[Shalla]

You shouldn't have made it private.

[Gan]

Yes yes. Congrats on proving something babies learn in their first few days of life. If you cry enough, someone will finally snap.
Considering it took me almost 10 posts to get you to learn it, I consider it mission accomplished! Your parents should thank me. ;)
PS. Thanks for keeping the thread alive.
PSS. Thanks for making a boring afternoon at work a little less boring.


Once again you overestimate your own importance.

You edited your post at the same time i was deciding to post at all.

I did not refresh my screen to make sure you had not edited a post you made and thats insulting to you.

Wow do you think alot of yourself.

But then if you did not I guess this thread might not exist.
Actually, this thread isnt about me, its about Ilvane. And dont blame me for your ineptitude in reading posts, following thought processes in a thread, and posting in a timely manner. One would think that with being a moderator you would be used to the above when performing your role. Too bad it seems I was mistaken in your competence.


You shouldn't have made it private.
In retrospect, I agree. But then again, you would have people voting based on reasons other than what the poll intended, like below:


I'm literally going to flip a coin to vote because I just want to see the list of people.

[Bobmuhthol]

I still voted based on my coin flip, so private or not, that shit's bound to happen.

[Sean of the Thread]

Because Ilvane sucks.

Normally it's easy to skip over her dumb dumb posts but her "stop bashing on my friends or I'll delete posts" comment pretty much annoyed me coming from a mod.
Especially not in her folder.

Especially when she allows it 24/7 IN her folders without a mention.

[Gan]

I'm literally going to flip a coin to vote because I just want to see the list of people.


One of those "fuck no" votes is mine, you can disregard it.


I still voted based on my coin flip, so private or not, that shit's bound to happen.

Did you flip twice?

:puzzled:

[Bobmuhthol]

I said I was going to flip a coin to vote - I did exactly that. Finiswolf was keeping track of the tally, but I don't want my vote to count either way; regardless, I did vote.

[SpunGirl]

I don't want my vote to count either way; regardless, I did vote.

This reminds me of the people who do phone-in news channel polls to answer "unsure" or "I don't know."

-K

[thefarmer]

This is you being dumb. You know nothing and just assume. Currently Harmnone is dealing with some family health issues.

Didn't I read a post in another thread about not displaying personal information?

Seems fairly personal to me.

[FinisWolf]

For you Bob,

42 For
44 Against (Minus Bob's vote), it really reads 45, and I still am not voting.

Finis

[Trinitis]

Didn't I read a post in another thread about not displaying personal information?

Seems fairly personal to me.

(d) upload, post, hyperlink, or otherwise transmit Content that is invasive of one's privacy, libelous, obscene, personally threatening, tortuous, or ethnically, racially, or sexually objectionable.

Something that is not invasive. Now of course these rules are subject to the person reading them, but it's my understanding it would only be viewed as invasive if I gave names, dates, specifics, etc.

There is a difference between saying "Oh he's busy right now." and "Oh he's in jail for 10 years for first degree murder. He killed Jack Bormen last week with a hand gun."

[Tsa`ah]

I'll bite since you have displayed an absolute inability to comprehend what a few members have stated.


Unless Tsa'ah told you directly, I highly doubt that the details of the actions between Kranar and Tsa'ah were divulged by Kranar. Especially since this would be considered a private matter between the admin and the behavior/consequence of a mod's actions.

There's nothing more to it, a few people have given you enough of the facts, you just refuse to accept it.

Every mod at that time knew exactly why I was demoted. Any current mod can go into the mod folder and pretty much verify what others have said .. unless it has been deleted ... which I doubt.

My demotion did not occur due to the complaints of a very small percentage of members. My demotion did not happen over threads, like this, made by the same small percentage of members. My demotion did not occur over a, or any, poll created by the same small percentage of members.

My demotion was the direct result of options given to my by Kranar over the focused and singular abuse of moderator abilities ... meaning deleting Lycain's posts from the first to last after warning him and giving him time to remove the altered picture of myself he was using as his avatar.

I did it, and stated as much prior to deleting, with the knowledge that I would likely be removed as a staff member.

So ... as a former mod has stated, and even Bob (which you have conveniently ignored) my demotion was the result of my abuse of station, not the complaints and outcry of the member base. What I did was very public and I made absolutely no attempt to hide it. Kranar knows, or should, that I have absolutely no problem with him divulging the details of that conversation.

Man up and ask him instead of waiting for something you know won't happen.

Now is your opportunity to disprove statements made over my demotion and continue to prove to the community at large that you're a tard with a vocabulary.

So for the second time, I'm done with you ... get your last word in.

[Celephais]

... that you're a tard with a vocabulary.

So for the second time, I'm done with you ... get your last word in.

Eloquent to the last.

I also like how you're seemingly still defending what you did, with the "after warning him and giving him time"

[Gan]

ROFL

This thread has turned comedy gold.

Thanks for keeping it alive Tsa'ah.

:clap:

[Sean of the Thread]

The story is just so incomplete without the picture involved that got his panties in a bunch.

If anyone would like a copy please send me an aim. Be warned it's not for the feint of heart (nazism).

[Timjirdos]

Too bad this poll wont actually tell us anything though because most of the boards (lurkers included) probably don't care.

DING! Correct! Now Tell him what he won. :tool:

[Celephais]

I also think Ilvane should step down because of her improper use of Sigs... if you're going to put your name at then end of all your posts, put it in a sig so I can disable it if I don't give a crap. ... I'm looking at you too TheEschaton and FinisWolf..

[TheEschaton]

I don't give a crap what you think!

-TheE-

[Celephais]

I don't give a crap what you think!

-TheE-

We shall see, we shall see...

~TheC~

[Alfster]

Hmm....

-TheA-

[SpunGirl]

Oh for chrissakes.

-K

[FinisWolf]

I don't give a crap what you think!

-TheE-

O noes, I have to read a single word at the end of a post (which most folks probably don't even read), I will probably go blind now.

FYI - If I wanted it in my sig, I would put it there.

Of all the things to bitch about, you choose this? LMAO

Finiswolf

[Celephais]

O noes, I have to read a single word at the end of a post (which most folks probably don't even read), I will probably go blind now.

FYI - If I wanted it in my sig, I would put it there.

Of all the things to bitch about, you choose this? LMAO

Finiswolf

Here, you might need this:
http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u222/GuinnessKMF/sarcasmDetector.jpg

[Methais]

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a162/DoyleHargraves/17stan.jpg

[Celephais]

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a162/DoyleHargraves/17stan.jpg

ROFL, fucking awesome.

[FinisWolf]

Here, you might need this:
http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u222/GuinnessKMF/sarcasmDetector.jpg

It occured to me after I posted that you might just be being a smart ass, but o well. :-)

Finis

[Methais]

Tsa'ah's demotion argument

Remember kids, you can't have demotion without emo.

[Shari]

lol, I thought girls grew up after high school, looks like I've got a surprise waiting for me later in life

First of all, Bob wins this thread.

Second of all, after reading all the posts...he SHOULD change "girls" to "people"

Third of all, Satira's new avatar is hilarious.

[Satira]

I am shocked and amazed this thread is still going.

And yes, my avatar is the most hilarious.

[Baelog]

well it looks like all of you finally got what you wanted. hope you're happy, because ilvane is probably not. way to be mean and hurt people's feelings.


http://img60.imageshack.us/img60/7234/threadnecroav1cq2.jpg

[Parkbandit]

Awesome thread bump. So much win in this thread from all sides.

[Gan]

:rofl:

[Sean of the Thread]

lolz

[Clove]

Party at Ilvanes!

[Moist Happenings]

I know we do have a community of posters here, but some of you get this overwhelming sense of entitlement on here as if this were a high school playground and you're the big kids who aren't to be messed with. Doing things like belittling others, using insults, embarrasments, and ganging up to pressure your way of thinking on others as if the forums ought to revolve around you.


If this would fit in my sig, it would be in there. It pretty much sums things up for about the 30% of the posters that've run so many others off, and are proud of it to boot. I'm not commenting on this situation in particular because when it was happening I wasn't here, and I don't know what sparked this thread in the first place. I'm just speaking in generalities. There's been a HUGE change in the PC between when I last was here and when I came back, and Kranar's post here hits the nail right on the head.

[CrystalTears]

Who exactly has been "run off" the PC?

[Moist Happenings]

Who exactly has been "run off" the PC?

Mmm, Someone (Yes, I know the name, just don't want to incite an argument) used the phrase "run off" a few months back in regards to someone or a group of people, with four or five others agreeing if I remember correctly. When I have some time later I'll see if I can dig through threads and find it for ya.

[diethx]

Who exactly has been "run off" the PC?

I'd say Ashliana got the worst of it and even it didn't get run off. So... dunno. :shrug:

[CrystalTears]

Mmm, Someone (Yes, I know the name, just don't want to incite an argument) used the phrase "run off" a few months back in regards to someone or a group of people, with four or five others agreeing if I remember correctly. When I have some time later I'll see if I can dig through threads and find it for ya.
Well you said many so I figured this would have been easy for you to answer and not have to do research.

[diethx]

I think he's referring to PB saying he ran off HarmNone. I dunno though.

[CrystalTears]

Yeah well, he likes to think he had a hand in that. He didn't.

[diethx]

Well you said many so I figured this would have been easy for you to answer and not have to do research.

Yeah, that too though. One example doesn't equal many.

[diethx]

Yeah well, he likes to think he had a hand in that. He didn't.

Oh yeah i'm not saying PB is right i'm just saying that's the only example I can think of recently where anyone said they ran someone else off the PC. I wasn't even here when HarmNone was around so I dunno about the truth in that.

[Moist Happenings]

Yeah that's what I was thinking of.

http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?t=36292&

Just read through the thread again. There are two or three spots referencing running other people off, but most of it's about HarmNone specifically. The people that took credit for doing it seemed damn proud of it.

Edited to add:

I'd say that the greater percentage of people who posted and then stopped posting didn't have their exit so public, also. I know at least three people who posted here for a while, then just stopped because there was just so much random hate and flaming. I bet if you sifted through every post here you'd find about a 1:1 ratio of flaming to on topic discussion.

Edited again to add:

And yeah, I wanted to do some research into it because if I do anything without linking sources and having a works cited at the bottom of my post, it gets immediately discredited. If you like I can give you a few examples of this where I was bitched at and discredited then had to link sources later.

[CrystalTears]

People claim to be the source of why people leave the boards. Other than ONE person I know of that left because she was targetted, for the most part, people just leave because they get tired, bored or fed up with the PC for a variety of reasons.

I honestly don't believe many people have been run off the boards as some claim.

[Moist Happenings]

"I know we do have a community of posters here, but some of you get this overwhelming sense of entitlement on here as if this were a high school playground and you're the big kids who aren't to be messed with. Doing things like belittling others, using insults, embarrasments, and ganging up to pressure your way of thinking on others as if the forums ought to revolve around you."

^

Personally I think the above referenced reason probably accounts for more people leaving than any other, but you're right. It looks as if the thread I was thinking of (Thanks for reminding me which thread it was diethx), was specifically targetted at HarmNone and not a group of people. Skirmisher, and Artha were mentioned as well but nothing really solid was said.

[CrystalTears]

I know we do have a community of posters here, but some of you get this overwhelming sense of entitlement on here as if this were a high school playground and you're the big kids who aren't to be messed with. Doing things like belittling others, using insults, embarrasments, and ganging up to pressure your way of thinking on others as if the forums ought to revolve around you.
While this may be true, this isn't unique to our forums. The PC may be hostile and bitchy most of the time, however the reactions and rebuttals are quite tame compared to scores of public forums out there. This one just happens to have a dedicated set of posters at any given time.



Personally I think the above referenced reason probably accounts for more people leaving than any other, but you're right. It looks as if the thread I was thinking of (Thanks for reminding me which thread it was diethx), was specifically targetted at HarmNone and not a group of people. Skirmisher, and Artha were mentioned as well but nothing really solid was said.
Right, people step down for several reasons, and some people immediately assume that they were run off when most people don't know the reason they left. Sometimes there is no reason. Sometimes you just move on.

And yet...

If you can't handle some offensive content on a real time message board, then don't read them.

[DCSL]

What about Athhena? Or however you spell it. Didn't she get run off somehow?

[Methais]

Yeah that's what I was thinking of.

http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?t=36292&

Just read through the thread again. There are two or three spots referencing running other people off, but most of it's about HarmNone specifically. The people that took credit for doing it seemed damn proud of it.

Edited to add:

I'd say that the greater percentage of people who posted and then stopped posting didn't have their exit so public, also. I know at least three people who posted here for a while, then just stopped because there was just so much random hate and flaming. I bet if you sifted through every post here you'd find about a 1:1 ratio of flaming to on topic discussion.

Edited again to add:

And yeah, I wanted to do some research into it because if I do anything without linking sources and having a works cited at the bottom of my post, it gets immediately discredited. If you like I can give you a few examples of this where I was bitched at and discredited then had to link sources later.

I think this would be better suited for you:

http://www.play.net/forums/categories.asp?forum=102

[Moist Happenings]

I think this would be better suited for you:

http://www.play.net/forums/categories.asp?forum=102

To be honest you're probably right. I'd consider going over there now if it wasn't comprised of such old and busted forum code, and I could talk about game mechanics, or make legitimate complaints about Simutronics or Gemstone without having my posts pulled.

The PC has always been my drug of choice for a forum. I just wish it was moderated a little. Not a lot. Just a little.

[Methais]

What exactly needs moderating? If you were here during the HN days, you'd be grateful for the lack of moderating.

[DCSL]

I'm also extremely pleased with the way the PC is these days. I love it here.

[Moist Happenings]

What exactly needs moderating? If you were here during the HN days, you'd be grateful for the lack of moderating.

There's always the possibility of overmoderating, of course. I was here for a good while when HN was a moderator, but didn't see her pull or stop too much that wasn't really out of line. That's not to say she didn't do that when I was away though.

I'm just sort of a black and white type of person. There aren't so many grey areas. There are threads that should be completely open to whatever antics or shenanigans can and do happen, and threads that should be kept to a more low key on topic note, in my opinion.

In Talmien's thread for example, you and I both immediately started in with off topic conversation when he asked a legitimate question. To a guy with three posts total without having read here before that could immediately cause him to seek other sources and not look back. There was no harm in that particular thread. I was talking to him in IMs while he was posting it, which is why I knew it wouldn't be an issue. He had the problem solved hours before anybody posted an actual response. Before my response, even, which was only the third post in the thread. If it was just somebody random though I could see that being a thread in need of a little moderation.

I wouldn't imagine ever suggesting that one of your "ZOMG IT'S WEDNESDAY!!!!!!" threads needed any sort of moderation. They're fun as they are and shouldn't be touched.

[Sean of the Thread]

Uh there has been plenty whether or not the "people" admit it that have been run off.

Just the way it is. Grow some thicker skin dunno what to say.

[Methais]

There's always the possibility of overmoderating, of course. I was here for a good while when HN was a moderator, but didn't see her pull or stop too much that wasn't really out of line. That's not to say she didn't do that when I was away though.

I'm just sort of a black and white type of person. There aren't so many grey areas. There are threads that should be completely open to whatever antics or shenanigans can and do happen, and threads that should be kept to a more low key on topic note, in my opinion.

In Talmien's thread for example, you and I both immediately started in with off topic conversation when he asked a legitimate question. To a guy with three posts total without having read here before that could immediately cause him to seek other sources and not look back. There was no harm in that particular thread. I was talking to him in IMs while he was posting it, which is why I knew it wouldn't be an issue. He had the problem solved hours before anybody posted an actual response. Before my response, even, which was only the third post in the thread. If it was just somebody random though I could see that being a thread in need of a little moderation.

I wouldn't imagine ever suggesting that one of your "ZOMG IT'S WEDNESDAY!!!!!!" threads needed any sort of moderation. They're fun as they are and shouldn't be touched.

So apply to be a moderator then.

[Sean of the Thread]

I'm also extremely pleased with the way the PC is these days. I love it here.


It's never been better.

I didn't look at when you joined but be glad it wasn't back in the days of nazi HN.

You wouldn't be able to post your opinion if it differed from her clique or against a personal friend of hers without retribution.

PC right now is in the golden age. Smooth sailing and good conversation.

[DCSL]

I remember, although I was never a target of any HN moderation.

I've been here longer than you, Seany. If I had a penis, mine would totally be bigger than yours!!1! A whole year bigger. Yeah. That's right.

[Moist Happenings]

So apply to be a moderator then.

I'd be a poor choice for a moderator.

I'd be fair and impartial with what I did, and wouldn't touch any of the shenanigans threads of course, but at this point there are already a few regular posters that just flat out don't like me, my opinions, or my beliefs. It'd cause more trouble than it solved, more than likely, whether I was fair, and impartial or not.

That, and do we really even have moderators anymore? Other than in title of course. I would think that if Kranar had an interest in moderating things at this stage, he'd have a little tighter reigns on it.

[Sean of the Thread]

I remember, although I was never a target of any HN moderation.

I've been here longer than you, Seany. If I had a penis, mine would totally be bigger than yours!!1! A whole year bigger. Yeah. That's right.


Sorry didn't look at your date but HN was anything but good around here.


so.... you're saying you've got an enlarged clitoris? sweeeet

[Sean of the Thread]

That, and do we really even have moderators anymore? Other than in title of course. I would think that if Kranar had an interest in moderating things at this stage, he'd have a little tighter reigns on it.


We've got moderators that act appropriately at the moment. They do a fine job.

[diethx]

Snapp still moderates although he isn't around as much lately as he had been a few months back.

[DCSL]

I'm saying I'm better 'cause I've been here longer, duh. If I'd been playing GS longer, that would also make me better, in the way of these things.

(This is heavy satire, in case anyone can't reach across the sarchasm.)

[Sean of the Thread]

Snapp and Skirm rule.

Bring em back!

[CrystalTears]

But you ran Skirm off. Duh.

[Sean of the Thread]

I love Skirmy.

Especially Peruvian jokes.

[CrystalTears]

I also want to elaborate that I don't think SPECIFIC people of the PC run people off. That's what I'm stating is not true. However I DO believe that some have left because they can't hack the collective PC attitude, not just a handful of unruly peeps.

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

I also want to elaborate that I don't think SPECIFIC people of the PC run people off. That's what I'm stating is not true. However I DO believe that some have left because they can't hack the collective PC attitude, not just a handful of unruly peeps.

This.

But honestly, as CT has pointed out, you get the same thing more or less with any public online forum. I vastly prefer less moderation and more of a player-enforced code of conduct, which is what we have here.

[Sean of the Thread]

This.

But honestly, as CT has pointed out, you get the same thing more or less with any public online forum. I vastly prefer less moderation and more of a player-enforced code of conduct, which is what we have here.



Which we have now and works 10x better than the "SANCTIMONIOUS BEOTCH".

[Methais]

I also want to elaborate that I don't think SPECIFIC people of the PC run people off. That's what I'm stating is not true. However I DO believe that some have left because they can't hack the collective PC attitude, not just a handful of unruly peeps.

That reminds me of that time when Elvenlady was like "Now I remember why I stopped posting here. Strike one.", as if we were going to have to clean ourselves up before strike three, else she punish us by stopping posting again.

No offense EL. But it was funny though :P

[CrystalTears]

I vastly prefer less moderation and more of a player-enforced code of conduct, which is what we have here.
So do I. And when I read this, I thought of wishing the same thing for GS.

[Methais]

So do I. And when I read this, I thought of wishing the same thing for GS.

It blows my mind that despite how much money they'd make, Simu still refuses to release GS: The Fallen. Or Shattered or whatever it was gonna be called.

[Elvenlady]

That reminds me of that time when Elvenlady was like "Now I remember why I stopped posting here. Strike one.", as if we were going to have to clean ourselves up before strike three, else she punish us by stopping posting again.

No offense EL. But it was funny though :P

It was meant as a joke! One thing the PC has taught me is to have a thick skin. And don't dish it if you can't take it.

[waywardgs]

It blows my mind that despite how much money they'd make, Simu still refuses to release GS: The Fallen. Or Shattered or whatever it was gonna be called.

Is DR: The Fallen really that popular? Does it have more players than the normal DR?

[Parkbandit]

Yeah well, he likes to think he had a hand in that. He didn't.

Truth is.. no one knows why Harmnone left. Maybe she really did leave the Internet completely to tend for a sick relative after being a very active member of this forum for years... and it was just a coincidence that this happened after only a couple of months of constant criticism of her "moderation". Do you really believe that she would post "Well, I'm leaving these forums because people think I'm the worst moderator ever"?

Not likely.

The important fact is.. she no longer moderates these forums and for that we should all rejoice. I know I am.

[Stretch]

I liked it better a few years ago before all the politics crept in.

[Methais]

It was meant as a joke! One thing the PC has taught me is to have a thick skin. And don't dish it if you can't take it.

But you sounded super serious at the time!

This was pre-italics though, so I'll accept my fail :(

http://ihasahotdog.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/funny-dog-pictures-brakes-fail-bulldog.jpg

[Methais]

Is DR: The Fallen really that popular? Does it have more players than the normal DR?

Just based on the 5478239054729052749052 people that have been long gone from GS that said they would return if they released a "Fallen" version should be incentive enough for Simu wouldn't you think? And since it's a free for all, it's not like they'll have to use staff resources for anything other than fixing game crashes.

Plus nobody cares about DR.

[Skeeter]

I applied for modding a year or more ago. Kranar felt there was enough moderation as is. Can't say I argue that point really.

I also don't miss HN's moderation style. As a person she seemed ok.