Dunemaul?

[Hips]

I don't feel like digging through this folder to try and find out what guild you all are in now (Horde side, obviously) so... someone want to enlighten me? I made a little belf priest to play when I get bored of my draenei on Mannoroth.

Or you could just send an invite to Kiaransalee. <3

[Trouble]

We're kinda spread out these days, but the guild with the most people from the PC in it these days is Impaired Judgment.

[Hips]

I'll keep an eye out for them, then. :)

[CrystalTears]

Yeah but they're not just going to take someone because she's someone from the PC. They're being sticklers about inviting people who aren't 70 unless they are alts of current members. Maybe try and find someone from Hounds of Rexxar as that's where they are keeping their alts of said level 70 mains.

[Tea & Strumpets]

Yeah but they're not just going to take someone because she's someone from the PC. They're being sticklers about inviting people who aren't 70 unless they are alts of current members. Maybe try and find someone from Hounds of Rexxar as that's where they are keeping their alts of said level 70 mains.


Elitist.

[Alfster]

I'd probably come back to wow if HoR still existed.

[CrystalTears]

Elitist.
Says one of the members!

I need to petition Kranar to add my smilie. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v412/Jemah/smilies/dar.gif

[Sean]

The vertical one?

[Sean of the Thread]

rofl

[Hips]

Forget you people and your elitist guild, then. ;_;

[Hulkein]

Yeah, people in HoR decided to treat WoW like it should be an occupation which led to a break up. That ruined any of the fun I had and haven't played more than 5 minutes since.

[Some Rogue]

Yeah, people in HoR decided to treat WoW like it should be an occupation which led to a break up. That ruined any of the fun I had and haven't played more than 5 minutes since.


Riiiight, didn't you quit long before any breakup? And where were you when we rebuilt the guild and had most of our officers from the PC crowd?

You don't really know what it was like for the last year or so HoR was active. We actually lost most people after the expansion because we weren't raiding enough. So yeah, when the opportunity came up for us to even be able to raid again and to join with some friends who had left previously, we took it. And now we raid, pretty casually actually. Two to four days a week in 3 hour or so stretches. That's not exactly what I'd call an occupation.

:club:

[Parkbandit]

Yeah, people in HoR decided to treat WoW like it should be an occupation which led to a break up. That ruined any of the fun I had and haven't played more than 5 minutes since.


I don't remember you being around much at all in HoR 1.0.. let alone HoR 2.0.

It's like you weren't even around, so decided to make up a little story to somehow justify you leaving WoW.

We've always been a very casual raiding guild, more interested in having fun than racing to see who can clear whatever new instance is released. Hell, we're still just farming Karazhan right now.

Good story.. just not at all accurate.

[Parkbandit]

I don't feel like digging through this folder to try and find out what guild you all are in now (Horde side, obviously) so... someone want to enlighten me? I made a little belf priest to play when I get bored of my draenei on Mannoroth.

Or you could just send an invite to Kiaransalee. <3

I put you on my friends list Michiko.. I usually play Kallell or Falgrin for the most part. Feel free to send me a tell. We have plenty of lowbies who don't raid with us (See CrystalTears)

[RichardCranium]

How much does WoW cost per month?

[Apathy]

If you pay month-to-month, $15. You can prepay months ahead of time that works out to a discount anywhere from $10-$13 I think.

[RichardCranium]

I'm going to give it a try but I don't know anyone who plays.

[Hulkein]

Riiiight, didn't you quit long before any breakup?

No.


And where were you when we rebuilt the guild and had most of our officers from the PC crowd?

Law school.

[Hulkein]

I don't remember you being around much at all in HoR 1.0.. let alone HoR 2.0.

It's like you weren't even around, so decided to make up a little story to somehow justify you leaving WoW.

I was the one who got the website and forum running originally, you dumbass. Why would someone who was 'not around much at all' do that? I believe I also paid for a portion of it.

I also joined the guild at like level 5 and capped. I'm wondering if you even remember who I was in game considering the stupidity of your statement.




We've always been a very casual raiding guild, more interested in having fun than racing to see who can clear whatever new instance is released. Hell, we're still just farming Karazhan right now.

Yeah, that's why I enjoyed it. Then everyone started trying to join the two or three top raiding horde guilds and it fell apart. IE: People started to act like it should be an occupation and started secretly applying to other guilds.

[Sean of the Thread]

HoR 2.0 was fun and casual in my opinion.. but I suppose that is also what caused the mass exodus post BC. I just came back to WoW after almost 2 months off and HoR was toast when I logged in. Oh wellz.

[Parkbandit]

I was the one who got the website and forum running originally, you dumbass. Why would someone who was 'not around much at all' do that? I believe I also paid for a portion of it.

I also joined the guild at like level 5 and capped. I'm wondering if you even remember who I was in game considering the stupidity of your statement.



Yeah, that's why I enjoyed it. Then everyone started trying to join the two or three top raiding horde guilds and it fell apart. IE: People started to act like it should be an occupation and started secretly applying to other guilds.

I remember who you play Grobags... just not sure how you came to your retarded conclusion is all. Yea.. you set up the original HoR website. Yea, you raided with us... very briefly. Then you left, barely returning at all. What was it.. a year and a half ago when you left?

but hey.. water under the bridge. Sorry you didn't have a good time and needed to stop playing.

:shrug:

[Hulkein]

What I posted wasn't even really referring to you. It was more or less the people not from PC who left, and from there the high-end raiding stopped and people started to bail.

I still fail to see how I was 'not around much at all.' I guess my perception of video game time doesn't match yours. For me, I put in a fair amount of time considering it's a video game.

[Keller]

Priests are fun. Just be sure not to take any tips from Kallell. I hear she's terrible.

[Alfster]

We've always been a very casual raiding guild, more interested in having fun than racing to see who can clear whatever new instance is released. Hell, we're still just farming Karazhan right now.



I know what burned me out on the game was finishing the attunement for the Eye (heroic everything) and 2 days later finding out they dropped the attunement.

Of course Onibatsu claims to be a casual guild too, they only raid 4 days a week...but they raid for 4-12 hours.

nothing like Gruul, Magtheridon, and all of kara in one night

[Trouble]

I know what burned me out on the game was finishing the attunement for the Eye (heroic everything) and 2 days later finding out they dropped the attunement.

What's rapidly burning me out on the game now is the lack of available tanks for instancing. I'll sit around Shatt in the LFG channel for hours in various tankless groups only to end up on one of my alts.

I missed the heroic push so I've only completed one instance in heroic (I think), mana tombs.

[Sean of the Thread]

All I do is tank.. getting boring.

[Parkbandit]

What's rapidly burning me out on the game now is the lack of available tanks for instancing. I'll sit around Shatt in the LFG channel for hours in various tankless groups only to end up on one of my alts.

I missed the heroic push so I've only completed one instance in heroic (I think), mana tombs.


Rennick needs to get the dust blown off him and get to work imo. I'm sick and tired of him playing useless toons.. when we could use his useless tank.

wtf

[DeV]

We're kinda spread out these days, but the guild with the most people from the PC in it these days is Impaired Judgment.
There are also a couple of us in Chaos Legion. Feel free to hit me up if HoR or Impaired Judgment aren't amiable.

[Some Rogue]

Rennick needs to get the dust blown off him and get to work imo. I'm sick and tired of him playing useless toons.. when we could use his useless tank.

wtf

You really really shouldn't call anyone useless....I mean, you have a shitty healer and a shitty rogue. And now you almost have a 70 hunter, the easiest fucking class in the game to play, and he sucks too.

:tool:

[Trouble]

All I do is tank.. getting boring.

I understand. All I do is heal, and while I enjoy it for the most part, it makes it really tough to grind gold or whatever. Thankfully my hunter is almost capped.


Rennick needs to get the dust blown off him and get to work imo. I'm sick and tired of him playing useless toons.. when we could use his useless tank.

Yeah but why would he want to play a tank when he has almost 3 capped DPS clases (his hunter hit 69 yesterday I think)? For a change of pace I guess. Tanking is like healing in the sense that you really have to like to do it and it has to be your main for you to put any effort into it (Scynd, Woten).

[Sean of the Thread]

hehe everytime I see a Chaos Legion tag in game it reminds me of our oldschool shit guild back in the early days that sergey fucked the name up on and get a chuckle.

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b236/Japgross/tcl.jpg

[Sean of the Thread]

I understand. All I do is heal, and while I enjoy it for the most part, it makes it really tough to grind gold or whatever. Thankfully my hunter is almost capped.



Yeah but why would he want to play a tank when he has almost 3 capped DPS clases (his hunter hit 69 yesterday I think)? For a change of pace I guess. Tanking is like healing in the sense that you really have to like to do it and it has to be your main for you to put any effort into it (Scynd, Woten).

I don't mind tanking really.. can always find a group and it's free rep.

Actually I really enjoyed healing both on my priest and resto drood but you just get locked into it. At least with drood tank I can slap on the dps gear and go pvp or grind with ease.


*also if you've got good healing gear you can easily heal as shadow priest in most normal mode instances as long as your tank rocks. Something to consider if you want to get out of holy until you run heroics.

[Some Rogue]

I really don't mind tanking either (unless you're with some scrub group with PB in it) but it's hard to keep two or more toons with updated gear/rep/etc.

[Trouble]

*also if you've got good healing gear you can easily heal as shadow priest in most normal mode instances as long as your tank rocks. Something to consider if you want to get out of holy until you run heroics.

I tried shadow for a couple of days a little while ago and I found that the 3 second greater heals were just too long. I had a shadow/holy grinding spec at one point on the way to 70 which had the reduced gheal casting time in it, I may try that again.

Also I found I hated PvPing as shadow, oddly enough. It was much more fun to heal in BGs for me. Maybe I didn't give it enough time.

[Nieninque]

I tried shadow for a couple of days a little while ago and I found that the 3 second greater heals were just too long. I had a shadow/holy grinding spec at one point on the way to 70 which had the reduced gheal casting time in it, I may try that again.

Also I found I hated PvPing as shadow, oddly enough. It was much more fun to heal in BGs for me. Maybe I didn't give it enough time.

That's the stuff that wins BGs.

Just a shame not more people realise it.

[Parkbandit]

I really don't mind tanking either (unless you're with some scrub group with PB in it) but it's hard to keep two or more toons with updated gear/rep/etc.

I'll ignore the PB comment.. but yea, it's real tough to keep your toons all geared up. I have Kallell pretty much where I want.. but now I need to get Falgrin geared up. I don't know if I'm going to use him for pvp or for pve at this point.. or if I'm going to put him on an epic flying mount or Kallell. I know I'll pretty much mothball Stabbed for the time being.

[Nieninque]

So no change there then.

p.s. Sorry about the group I was with killing you the other day. I tried to get them to stop but it was too late. Was sad that you spirit rezzed :(

[Parkbandit]

So no change there then.

p.s. Sorry about the group I was with killing you the other day. I tried to get them to stop but it was too late. Was sad that you spirit rezzed :(


Not really.. Falgrin has regular gear and with a hunter, I don't have to carry around 2-3 sets.. so 2g is nothing. I just wanted to turn in 2 quests with that guy where you all were at and had to leave. Turned in the quests, turned level 69.. let you fools gang gank me, spirit rezz and log out. I knew going there with 4 alliance around I was going to get ganked.. no big deal. I just wanted to level up and leave... which I accomplished.

[Parkbandit]

You really really shouldn't call anyone useless....I mean, you have a shitty healer and a shitty rogue. And now you almost have a 70 hunter, the easiest fucking class in the game to play, and he sucks too.

:tool:


I'm not sure where this uncalled for attack came from, but rest assured this post is being reported for harassment.

[Trouble]

Not really.. Falgrin has regular gear and with a hunter, I don't have to carry around 2-3 sets.. so 2g is nothing.

I've noticed a tradeoff with my hunter, you get one less bag but you carry much less gear compared to a healer or tank. Mages and rogues I guess have the easy route when it comes to bag space, mages most of all. Locks are about the same as hunters, assuming they use a shard bag of some sort.

I do actually have some gear set aside for instancing (more Int and +hit with a loss of Stam) but seeing as I haven't really instanced much, I leave it in my locker.

[Some Rogue]

Mages and rogues I guess have the easy route when it comes to bag space,


You'd think, but we got poisons, flash powder, blinding powder, food, bandages, and potions. I can almost fill a bag with poison, flash powder and blinding powder alone.

[StrayRogue]

What pisses me off the most about playing a priest (shadow) is that you're always assumed to be a healer before a dpser.

Hilarious, considering a well geared and skilful SP can outdps a mage and a warlock as well as provide ton's of mana and hp to a raid.

As for grinding: for some reason I never use shadowform. I like being able to heal myself or group mates instantly if something bad happens. Obviously the buffs from the shadow tree do help and I do use VE on every mob.

[DeV]

What pisses me off the most about playing a priest (shadow) is that you're always assumed to be a healer before a dpser.
I love grouping with shadow priests as a BM specced hunter, but I'd never consider them to be a primary or even secondary healer over dpsing. That's completely defeating the purpose of the spec.

[Nieninque]

What pisses me off the most about playing a priest (shadow) is that you're always assumed to be a healer before a dpser.

Hilarious, considering a well geared and skilful SP can outdps a mage and a warlock as well as provide ton's of mana and hp to a raid.

As for grinding: for some reason I never use shadowform. I like being able to heal myself or group mates instantly if something bad happens. Obviously the buffs from the shadow tree do help and I do use VE on every mob.

I remember when you were in your 1337 raiding guild and you laughed at shadow priests and feral/boomkin durids (actually durids generally, except for MOTW) and said pretty much the kind of things you are slating here.

Makes me laugh it does.

[Sean of the Thread]

Actually SP are on the bottom of the list for dps because they have horrid aggro problems and for the most part an attitude. This coming from a person whose main was a priest/SP for most of my wow time.

I run about five instances a day with a shadow priest as the main healer (non heroic) without a hitch.

Any time I have problem tanking it's because of a shadow priest MOST of the time. Not to mention most are too stupid or egotistical to form out to back up heal.. idiots when they are allowed to dps.

Now for PVP or PVE in non instances SP are pretty bad ass dps wise. No argument there. Can grind with no downtime as well which rocks hard.

All that being said I love my SP and can work it just fine in most groups.. then again I'm not a nub.

[Sean of the Thread]

I remember when you were in your 1337 raiding guild and you laughed at shadow priests and feral/boomkin durids (actually durids generally, except for MOTW) and said pretty much the kind of things you are slating here.

Makes me laugh it does.

I still get plenty of giggles at all the rogues/tanks/priests that put down droods constantly. Seeing how properly geared and spec'd we pwn you fuckers on a normal basis.

It's a hard class to play which accounts for the general lack of noobness associated with say hunters or rogues.

[StrayRogue]

If you are pulling aggro, as a SP, you're either specced wrong or have a shitty tank.

Plus yeah I've healed pretty much every non heroic without problems. Again it depends on the group. If you have a shitty tank or lackluster DPS, it's hard.

[StrayRogue]

I remember when you were in your 1337 raiding guild and you laughed at shadow priests and feral/boomkin durids (actually durids generally, except for MOTW) and said pretty much the kind of things you are slating here.

Makes me laugh it does.

This was before TBC dumbass.

You know, before they made hybrids viable?

[Sean of the Thread]

If you are pulling aggro, as a SP, you're either specced wrong or have a shitty tank.

Plus yeah I've healed pretty much every non heroic without problems. Again it depends on the group. If you have a shitty tank or lackluster DPS, it's hard.

It generally comes down to spec'd wrong or have a shitty shadow priest.

I do agree that shadow with correct gear can heal any non heroic with a non noob tank with ease. I do it daily. (excpet when non healing shadow priests fuck it up)

[Sean of the Thread]

This was before TBC dumbass.

You know, before they made hybrids viable?

Hybrids were viable prior as well especially as healers.. not so much tanking but still.

You must have had a pretty shitty guild.

[Nieninque]

This was before TBC dumbass.

You know, before they made hybrids viable?

Hey, dumbass, remember I told you at the time that the guild I was in had hybrids. Killed Cthun with them too.

Hybrids have always been viable, idiots who dont know how to play were the problem ;)


I still get plenty of giggles at all the rogues/tanks/priests that put down droods constantly. Seeing how properly geared and spec'd we pwn you fuckers on a normal basis.

It's a hard class to play which accounts for the general lack of noobness associated with say hunters or rogues.

Yeah, most definitely.

[Nieninque]

Hybrids were viable prior as well especially as healers.. not so much tanking but still.

You must have had a pretty shitty guild.

TE had feral druids and shadow priests in their raids when they were raiding Nax.

It's all about looking at how to complement each other, which people are more willing to do now, than they were pre BC, despite the fact that the functionality was still there before.

[Some Rogue]

I still get plenty of giggles at all the rogues/tanks/priests that put down droods constantly. Seeing how properly geared and spec'd we pwn you fuckers on a normal basis.

It's a hard class to play which accounts for the general lack of noobness associated with say hunters or rogues.

The giggling must be drugs or something...because a rogue in comparable gear and the right spec will out dps and a warrior in comparable gear can tank better. That's not to say a druid can't do the job and doesn't bring other things with them(mark, leader of the pack, etc), but other classes can do the job better.

[Tea & Strumpets]

The giggling must be drugs or something...because a rogue in comparable gear and the right spec will out dps and a warrior in comparable gear can tank better. That's not to say a druid can't do the job and doesn't bring other things with them(mark, leader of the pack, etc), but other classes can do the job better.

I dunno, I have difficulty pulling aggro from a good bear tank. I can pull aggro from a good warrior nearly anytime I want to.

That's just threat, though, I'd guess a warrior is a better tank for bosses.

[Sean of the Thread]

When I do dps I'm usually second to the mage.. but like you said we bring motw of and lotp to the table too which is hard to beat. With that comes the possibility to offtank/tank or healz/innerv to save wipes... rogues just vanish and run.

[CrystalTears]

I dunno, I have difficulty pulling aggro from a good bear tank. I can pull aggro from a good warrior nearly anytime I want to.
What are you talking about? You can pull aggro from ANY tank. :D

[Sean of the Thread]

I dunno, I have difficulty pulling aggro from a good bear tank. I can pull aggro from a good warrior nearly anytime I want to.

That's just threat, though, I'd guess a warrior is a better tank for bosses.

A good 30-40% dodge along with 25,000 armor and 18,000 health make up for a warrior and their "block" etc.

I've always out tank pre raid geared warriors.

[Some Rogue]

I dunno, I have difficulty pulling aggro from a good bear tank. I can pull aggro from a good warrior nearly anytime I want to.

That's just threat, though, I'd guess a warrior is a better tank for bosses.

That's because you chain lightning pull mobs before the tank ever touches them noob. And yes, I was referring to the damage mitigation of a warrior more than the threat.

Druids have better multi target aggro generators.

[Sean of the Thread]

What are you talking about? You can pull aggro from ANY tank.

lol stop picking on DAR.

[Sean of the Thread]

Druids have better multi target aggro generators.

swipe :(

Actually the biggest downfall of drood tanking is maintaining aggro and taunts in my experience.. it's hard work. Especially doing TK where robotical shit is immune to lacerate.

[DeV]

It's a hard class to play which accounts for the general lack of noobness associated with say hunters or rogues.
The worst thing about the hunter class is that you can easily solo to 70 and have zero idea how to competently play the class.

Then again, I look at it like this, if you can't master playing a reportedly "easy mode" class then you aren't going to play any other class in the game well either.

I don't think its so much that the druid class is "harder" to play than all the others, it's just a lot more complex and requires a competent player to master the different forms and to play the class effectively, which accounts for the lower population overall.

[DeV]

I dunno, I have difficulty pulling aggro from a good bear tank. I can pull aggro from a good warrior nearly anytime I want to.

That's just threat, though, I'd guess a warrior is a better tank for bosses.
That's usually the case with any dps specced Shaman who's going all out dps, in general. A good bear tank is going to be dishing out a nice little chunk of dps as well, something warriors can't match when tanking, which will essentially make it harder for you to pull aggro while a druid's in bear form. I guess that's just the way I've always looked at it and the reason I love having a druid tank in groups.

[Some Rogue]

swipe :(

Actually the biggest downfall of drood tanking is maintaining aggro and taunts in my experience.. it's hard work. Especially doing TK where robotical shit is immune to lacerate.

Swipe is more threat than a thunderclap generates hehe.

That's why I have a macro for mouseover sundering. I can keep my main target and throw sunders on the extra mobs by just mousing over and hitting a hotkey.

[Parkbandit]

Hilarious, considering a well geared and skilful SP can outdps a mage and a warlock as well as provide ton's of mana and hp to a raid.


How do you do it? I've been shadow specced like twice in my life.. and I just can't seem to deal nearly as much damage as anyone else. Granted, my gear is not great.. but it's not horrible. My +spell damage is about 800.

I throw up VE, (VT as well if it's a high enough hp mob), SW:P, then hit MB whenever the cooldown is up, alternating with MF. One thing I found out is I need to use SW:D whenever it's cooldown is done as well, but I just don't seem to get the same dps as like the regular dps classes. Is there something I am not doing?

[Alfster]

There are also a couple of us in Chaos Legion. Feel free to hit me up if HoR or Impaired Judgment aren't amiable.

who were you in game?

[Alfster]

I've noticed a tradeoff with my hunter, you get one less bag but you carry much less gear compared to a healer or tank. Mages and rogues I guess have the easy route when it comes to bag space, mages most of all. Locks are about the same as hunters, assuming they use a shard bag of some sort.

I do actually have some gear set aside for instancing (more Int and +hit with a loss of Stam) but seeing as I haven't really instanced much, I leave it in my locker.

With my druid I was running around with 3 full bags of gear

[Alfster]

It's a hard class to play which accounts for the general lack of noobness associated with say hunters or rogues.

No...it's not.

The only semi-hard thing is when you're leveling up you have to learn to tank, dps, and heal.

None of that is terribly difficult

[DeV]

who were you in game?I feel pwned by this question. :(

- Mooella/Terrorin -

[Alfster]

I dunno, I have difficulty pulling aggro from a good bear tank. I can pull aggro from a good warrior nearly anytime I want to.

That's just threat, though, I'd guess a warrior is a better tank for bosses.

By good bare tank, he's talking about Alfster.

Or was that because I out DPS'd you so often in Kat that you whined and made me tank?

[Alfster]

swipe :(

Actually the biggest downfall of drood tanking is maintaining aggro and taunts in my experience.. it's hard work. Especially doing TK where robotical shit is immune to lacerate.

Even with Dar in my group, I wouldn't need taunt more than once every other pull or so.

Of course, when he did pull aggro I just ignored it and moved onto another target.

[Alfster]

I feel pwned by this question. :(

- Mooella/Terrorin -

Sadly, it wasn't until 3 minutes after I asked that I realized that was you.

I'm not good at seeing the obvious apparently.

[Nieninque]

swipe :(

Actually the biggest downfall of drood tanking is maintaining aggro and taunts in my experience.. it's hard work. Especially doing TK where robotical shit is immune to lacerate.

They arent immune to lacerate, silly. They are immune to the bleed, but the threat is still there, so just use lacerate as you would normally and you still generate the threat.

[Some Rogue]

Of course, when he did pull aggro I just ignored it and moved onto another target.

That's pretty much how I deal with it too. :rofl:

[Alfster]

Now you fuckers have me wanting to reactivate my WoW account. Guildless FTL

Anyone else looking at switching to Conan when that's released?

[Tea & Strumpets]

How do you do it? I've been shadow specced like twice in my life.. and I just can't seem to deal nearly as much damage as anyone else. Granted, my gear is not great.. but it's not horrible. My +spell damage is about 800.

I throw up VE, (VT as well if it's a high enough hp mob), SW:P, then hit MB whenever the cooldown is up, alternating with MF. One thing I found out is I need to use SW:D whenever it's cooldown is done as well, but I just don't seem to get the same dps as like the regular dps classes. Is there something I am not doing?

I'm curious as well. I've never seen a shadow priest anywhere near to the "pure" DPS classes on the damage meters. I play a shaman, and I've never had a shadow priest anywhere close to me on the damage meters. I only have +700 spell damage.

The only reason I see them get invited anywhere is for raid mana regen.

[Trouble]

With my druid I was running around with 3 full bags of gear

Yeah druids have it the worst for gear by far. My priest only has two sets of gear, well 2.5 if you include a stam set for certain boss fights.

As far as tanks go (druid vs warrior), I don't really think one is any better than another since I don't know enough about either class, but in my experience, your average (feral) druid will take tanking more seriously than your average warrior if offered the role.

And yeah, hunters are EZ. Mine is 68 now and I'm sure I have no idea how to play it compared to people like Shuriken or Smokall. Like I routinely get ganked by rogues and warriors, but I can sometimes handle other hunters, spriests and locks (I'm BM spec). I'm sure my DPS is terrible but I think that's because my gear is vintage Stabbed (all greens). I need to learn the jump-shot and a decent shot rotation too.

[DeV]

And yeah, hunters are EZ. Mine is 68 now and I'm sure I have no idea how to play it compared to people like Shuriken or Smokall. Like I routinely get ganked by rogues and warriors, but I can sometimes handle other hunters, spriests and locks (I'm BM spec). I'm sure my DPS is terrible but I think that's because my gear is vintage Stabbed (all greens). I need to learn the jump-shot and a decent shot rotation too.Hunters are easy to level and even easier to never be great at playing well and to their maximum potential. BM is the least gear dependent as far as a hunter's spec goes so if your dps is terrible it would probably benefit you to get a decent shot rotation going for 5mans and group raids.

I use a macro for the most part alternating between steady shot, auto shot, and kill command, but I also sneak in a few arcane and multi shots as soon as their cooldowns are up.

Honestly, I never learned to jump-shot properly and it's not terribly important either. As long as you can get out of your dead zone using all the utilities available, being able to kite competently is going to be far more valuable than learning the jump-shot at this stage(being so close to 70). It does come in handy in pvp, but it's not necessary. As a bm spec they should have a fairly hard time getting into your dead zone anyway with your pet tearing into them as you're steadily keeping range.

[Some Rogue]

Like I routinely get ganked by rogues and warriors, but I can sometimes handle other hunters, spriests and locks (I'm BM spec). I'm sure my DPS is terrible but I think that's because my gear is vintage Stabbed (all greens). I need to learn the jump-shot and a decent shot rotation too.

Rogues give me trouble too unless I know they are around. If I get caught off guard and get stunlocked, I put my pet on them and when the stun is ticking down, put intimidation on them and get range, mark them, throw a serpent sting on em. As for warriors, they can be tough too if they get in your face and spam hamstring. Casters are generally cake, my pet can eat them alive before they hurt me too bad.

I can do an ok jumpshot, but I'll strafe away more often than jumpshot. Like Dev said, my pet can usually keep them busy enough I can get away unless it's an annoying fucking warrior spamming hamstring. That makes it a bit tougher. I haven't pvp'd regularly with my hunter in a long time and I played a few bg's last night and made it into the top 2 or 3 on the 4 or 5 games I played.

[Parkbandit]

I think I do better on my hunter in pvp than any other class. If I find them first, they are usually toast. I send my pet in.. they target the pet.. and I stand behind a tree or other object and just unload. By the time they find me, they are dead men walking. If I get caught, there are so many tricks a hunter has.. scatter shot to the face = 3 seconds of run time... then set a trap underneath them and get to ranged distance. BOOM. Warriors fuck me up with their charge and hamstring.. but rogues are a joke. If they CoS, then flare will usually get them out. Clothies are pretty easy just because they have shit for armor.

[Sean of the Thread]

Hunters are bear food.

[Some Rogue]

In theory that may be the case but in practice, how many druids are out grinding mobs or are in bg's in bear vs. cat?

[Sean of the Thread]

Go go gadget switch form.

*I have been pvp'n and bg'n in bear a lot more lately. While they're chipping away at my 16k health thru 70% damage reduction from 25k armor they get picked off by others.

I almost always duel in bear now.

[CrystalTears]

How are you getting 16k? Is the armory showing your bear gear now? It presently shows 11k so I was just wondering.

Dueling doesn't count towards that impressive 7k in lifetime kills. :tongue:

[Nieninque]

11k in Caster would be getting on for about 15k or so in bear...so it is fairly easy to get the 16k for a feral durid.

As for hunters using scatter/trap then run, if they have been feral charged they arent going anywhere until the SS has worn off, then if they freeze trap, it's trinketed..GG.

Noob mastery hunters are more difficult, but the aim for a durid then is to outlast the Noob Within and then they are toast. Easier for better geared druids. I have seen some druids in BGs with 6k HP. How do you do that? I still have 9.5k hp in caster now that I am resto.

[DeV]

I've yet to encounter a druid that really gave me a run for my gold in pvp. Any smart hunter would make good use of his stomp, scare beast, frost trap, and as long as I keep my distance my arrows and pet do the rest.

Now that you can break out of most cc using the pvp trinket you might throw up a freeze trap just so he can blow his cool down, as long as you time the traps it shouldn't be a problem.

Oh, and throwing up nature resistance aspect goes a long way when dueling a druid.

[Nieninque]

I've yet to encounter a druid that really gave me a run for my gold in pvp. Any smart hunter would make good use of his stomp, scare beast, frost trap, and as long as I keep my distance my arrows and pet do the rest.

Now that you can break out of most cc using the pvp trinket you might throw up a freeze trap just so he can blow his cool down, as long as you time the traps it shouldn't be a problem.

Oh, and throwing up nature resistance aspect goes a long way when dueling a druid.

I laugh in the face of hunters that use frost traps against druids.

I laugh at the corpse of hunters that Freeze trap, then scare beast while you are trapped (those are my favourite).

[Sean of the Thread]

How are you getting 16k? Is the armory showing your bear gear now? It presently shows 11k so I was just wondering.

Dueling doesn't count towards that impressive 7k in lifetime kills. :tongue:

Not to mention armory is never correct and there are always differences depending on when it took teh snapshot.

It also doesn't show your stats from when you're in "form". Nien is correct about the translation. If I use the right pots I can get my health much higher.

[CrystalTears]

Armory snaps it on logout. As far as my experience, it has exactly what I have and is correct the second I'm logged out so I'm not sure where you're going with that. I will agree that it may not show you in form, but the information IS correct.

Still not sure about that 25k armor.

[Trouble]

Armory snaps it on logout. As far as my experience, it has exactly what I have and is correct the second I'm logged out so I'm not sure where you're going with that. I will agree that it may not show you in form, but the information IS correct.

But you only have one set of gear as a mage. My stats vary greatly depending on what I'm wearing when I log out (and which buffs, but that's not as important to this point).

[Nieninque]

If I use the right pots I can get my health much higher.

Pots dont count. That's cheating.

When people talk about HP they are talking about unbuffed, otherwise they could just have a plentiful supply of flask of the titans or such like (not sure if it is titans that gives 2k HP, but it was something like that)

Unbuffed (or at worst self buffed) stats please.

[Sean of the Thread]

Oh of course I'm talking about self buffed.

[CrystalTears]

But you only have one set of gear as a mage. My stats vary greatly depending on what I'm wearing when I log out (and which buffs, but that's not as important to this point).
Well I'm going by what I saw last. Yesterday I saw less health on him so I figured it was his cat gear. Today I see 11k in health so I'm figuring the bear gear. Still, it stands to reason that if you're in bear form when you last log off, you'll have on your bear gear. The information will be correct in that reference.

[DeV]

I laugh in the face of hunters that use frost traps against druids.It's my most used trap in pvp when dueling a melee class, so depending on what form and what stage of the duel we're at the trap is getting dropped. Snake for casters obviously. Then again, I'm usually the one doing the laughing at the end of a duel.


I laugh at the corpse of hunters that Freeze trap, then scare beast while you are trapped (those are my favourite).That's a terrible combo and a waste of a cc ability. Why the hell a hunter would break his own cc to use another form of cc right away is beyond me.

Freeze trapping a druid or warrior should only be used at the expense of having them blow their trinket cooldown. It's done me wonders in arena pvp.

[Sean of the Thread]

My sets vary when I log off depending on what I'm up to. I have bear stam sets that give up armor etc or add a few percent of dodge or resists depending on the boss I last tanked. etc. That's why I'm saying for multi geared toons armory is never an accurate representation.

I'll get my gear on later and post a screen or watever it is that will satisfy your druid envy.

[Sean of the Thread]

Freeze trapping a druid or warrior should only be used at the expense of having them blow their trinket cooldown. It's done me wonders in arena pvp.

I hate burning my trinket on that. :(

[CrystalTears]

add a few percent of dodge or resists depending on the boss I last tanked
Wait, what? Maybe that's why I don't get what your true stats are because you're calculating in what bosses give you? C'mon man.

[Sean of the Thread]

No silly my gear varies at logoff. You misread the comment.

[CrystalTears]

Yeah nevermind. I just get irritated when people throw out stats when buffed and flasked and whatnot.

[Sean of the Thread]

Yeah nevermind. I just get irritated when people throw out stats when buffed and flasked and whatnot.

Good thing I didn't.

A) I said self buffed
B) I said I could get it much higher if I used pots.
C) Wtf would I make this shit up when everyone here knows my drood name and armory is a click away.
D) My bear still wants to have baby bears with Jemah and buy that den down by the lake in hillsbrad to settle down.

[CrystalTears]

a) yeah later you said it
b) sure, anyone can, just makes it frustrating to figure out the base from your good gear
c) And you just said earlier I couldn't go by that because it's never right, so make up your mind
d) Jemah's not a lesbian, so give up the dream.

[Nieninque]

It's my most used trap in pvp when dueling a melee class, so depending on what form and what stage of the duel we're at the trap is getting dropped. Snake for casters obviously. Then again, I'm usually the one doing the laughing at the end of a duel.

Snake trap is surprisingly successful against druids, particularly at the point where they might want to get a heal off. Between cycloning hunters, hibernating pets and barkskin, there isnt enough time for the heal before the hunter is uncycloned. Trying to heal with a million snakes hitting you just aint happening.


That's a terrible combo and a waste of a cc ability. Why the hell a hunter would break his own cc to use another form of cc right away is beyond me.

Well the scare beast doesnt break the trap, it just means you are feared within the trap. Prior to the trinket changes it meant that when the Aimed shot hits, you are then still feared. With the new trinket changes, it means that you can trinket out of two of the hunters abilities on 30 second cooldowns with one go. Surprising how many times that happens too ;)


Freeze trapping a druid or warrior should only be used at the expense of having them blow their trinket cooldown. It's done me wonders in arena pvp.

Yep.
If it's early on in the fight, I will just eat the aimed shot (if I am in bear of course) and save the trinket until later...if I am cat, it means I have (generally) got the opener and will be switching into bear just as soon as I have a 3/4 point rip on the hunter, I would then happily eat up the freeze trap/aimed shot and feral charge ftw.

[Sean of the Thread]

For those who haven't tried it I seriously suggest using the potion macro from form.

There ain't no shame in poppin a pot in world pvp. That macro does it in half a second.

[Nieninque]

It's awesome

[DeV]

Well the scare beast doesnt break the trap, it just means you are feared within the trap. That's true, but my response has more to do with the fact that it's an extra cc ability that hunter just used while he already has a cc ability still up. Not very smart cc management especially with the new trinket changes.


If it's early on in the fight, I will just eat the aimed shot (if I am in bear of course) and save the trinket until later...if I am cat, it means I have (generally) got the opener and will be switching into bear just as soon as I have a 3/4 point rip on the hunter, I would then happily eat up the freeze trap/aimed shot and feral charge ftw.Ewww... I can't even remember the last time I set up a freeze trap - aimed shot combo against a druid or warrior in pvp without having a frost trap dropped and ready for their charge after they trinket out of the trap.

If the cooldown isn't up on my frost trap then I'm going to be more concerned with creating more distance between myself and the druid so that I can get off a few more shots until I'm able to drop frost.

For my hunter, kiting and moving, while at the same time slowing my opponents movement are essential to outlasting. I'm usually reluctant to waste a snake trap on a druid in cat or bear form, but I drop it likes its second nature against a resto or moonkin.

And you've presented a primary reason why I like to pop a freeze trap off at some point, usually no more than once, and that is mainly to force the druid to trinket so he isn't able to save it for later. The fact that you don't means you're definitely the exception, not the rule. Viable tactic against a hunter like me, that's for sure.

Another thing I notice a lot of hunters being clueless about is how to properly trap a druid in bare form or a warrior. Both have the ability to charge through a trap thus defeating the purpose of having the trap up in the first place. It should be placed directly under the hunter anytime their fighting a class who can and will charge. In my experience, they trinket out every time.

[Razarn]

While i DO find these discussions interesting it also scares the hell out of me that i dont know sod all about playing my class (hunter)....man i got loads to learn

[Apathy]

All you other druids should give balance pvp a tryout.

Mmm mmm delicious.

[Alfster]

For those who haven't tried it I seriously suggest using the potion macro from form.

There ain't no shame in poppin a pot in world pvp. That macro does it in half a second.

You're welcome fucker

[Alfster]

I was 27/0/34 (i think) before I took a break from wow. My balance gear sucks dick though so I ended up healing through PVP.