worth a sad chuckle

[Gan]

JOHNSON CITY, Tennessee (AP) -- A bullet fired in the air during a Ku Klux Klan initiation ceremony came down and struck a participant in the head, critically injuring him, authorities said.

Is that a sign or what? on so many levels I might add...

[Artha]

Hopefully, that's going to be part of the KKK initiations from now on.

[Jolena]

I'm not even going to go into this subject. I have too many personal issues with KKK to be honest. However I will say this, I hope it knocked some sense into them as far as the way they go about conducting their 'rallies'.

[Edited on 11-25-2003 by Jolena]

[Stacey]

I hate to hear of anyone being hurt. But in this case, sound's funny to me.

Stacey

[Latrinsorm]

I'm surprised it doesn't happen more often, especially if you go down in Florida. Man they like shootin guns off down there. I always put it down to the fact that bullets go up and the Earth rotates under them or something.

KKK = Teh Suck.

[Scott]

That's why you fire shotguns into the air......

[Souzy]

:lol: Sucka

[Weedmage Princess]

Good deal. People feel bad for this dude, I don't. I hope he dies. I hate the KKK, the people in it, and what it stands for...my feelings hold true for all extremists with similar outlooks. My only wish is we see this sort of thing more often...one way to get rid of some of the slime in the world.

[Caiylania]

I needed some good news!

[Red Devil]

... you're all a bunch of hypocrites, wheres ben to start spoutin sieg heil?

[Bestatte]

Originally posted by Weedmage Princess
Good deal. People feel bad for this dude, I don't. I hope he dies. I hate the KKK, the people in it, and what it stands for...my feelings hold true for all extremists with similar outlooks. My only wish is we see this sort of thing more often...one way to get rid of some of the slime in the world.

...spoken like a true extremist, Weedie.

[Rastaman]

Fuck the KKK. The guy got no less than he deserved. Fat racist fucks.

[Weedmage Princess]

Touche, Bestatte. Maybe it's just me, but I wish the same bad fate on people that they wish on me. Believe me, I'm sure they'd all be happy if I took a bullet to the skull. And I'm sure they want me to die, everyone like me to die, etc. etc. So..actually I wouldn't call myself an extremist...just very vindictive.

[Wezas]

While I see Weedmage's point, I also see Bestatte's. We know nothing about this person, other then the fact he's at a rally. He was probably brought up that way. Possibly (I refrain from using likely) uneducated. He could be a sheep, always doing what his Father/Grandfather/Uncles/etc told him.

Do I think they're right? Hell no. Do I think some of them don't think on their own? Hell yes.

A few weeks ago I heard on the radio a child interviewed in New York about picketing the all gay school. This kid was 8 or 9, coached by his mother, brainwashed into zombie-style repeating of the bible chapter that frowns upon homosexuality. And every other word out of this kid's mouth was "fag".

Does the person who was hit by the bullet deserve to die? I don't know. I don't know what kind of person he is. If he was someone who thought for himself and decided "I hate black people, I want to kill them" then I definately think he got what he deserved.

[Weedmage Princess]

You're right, Wezas...

However, they use the term "man" ..which leads me to believe he's over 18, and should know "better" if that makes any sense.

Hey, atleast I have a legitimate reason to hate them...cause they have nothing but ill will towards me and mine *shrugs* so yeah, I couldn't care less...but I can understand and respect people not feeling the same. I just made my comment because Bestatte was trying to label me as an extremist, and I don't agree. I'm just a vindictive person..and I'm not saying I'm "right" either. I'm just saying my feelings...see unlike others, I'm not going to jump up on a high horse and act like some know it all, as if everything I say and do is right, and look down my nose at everyone else. I realize I'm human just like everyone else..delusions of grandeur haven't jaded me.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

I'm not racist/sexist or anything.

I hate everyone equally til I decide if I like/dislike them.

[Hulkein]

My great Uncle was a Grand Wizard of the KKK in Alabama, lol.

[EmpressBtch]

They probably learned just to use blanks next time.

[Parkbandit]

Originally posted by Hulkein
My great Uncle was a Grand Wizard of the KKK in Alabama, lol.

Witnessing your continued ignorance in general.. this does not surprise me in the least.

[HarmNone]

There is a Grand Wizard in my ancestry, too, Hulkein. That certainly does NOT make me proud, as I am sure it does not make you proud.

As for extremist, to my mind extremist views create extremist views. Hate is a strong emotion. The word "hate" is used far too often by many people to describe things, or people, they simply dislike. If you care enough about something or someone to hate, you probably need to question why you are so deeply involved with something that causes you discomfort. At least, that is how I see it.

As far as I am concerned, all human beings are some shade of brown...from pale beige to near-black. To hate someone because their skin is a different color than yours makes absolutely NO sense. It is a shame that children are taught by their elders to judge others based on differences like skin color or cultural heritage. Heck, there is much to be learned from those of different cultures than one's own. :)

HarmNone enjoys diversity in all things

[Xcalibur]

Everyone is racist, in any way.

I don't know anyone that isn't personnaly, you end up having judgement about a race (any) without thinking about it.

[Wezas]

Originally posted by Xcalibur
Everyone is racist, in any way.

I'm not a racist.

Fucking Canadian.

[Hulkein]

Originally posted by Parkbandit

Originally posted by Hulkein
My great Uncle was a Grand Wizard of the KKK in Alabama, lol.

Witnessing your continued ignorance in general.. this does not surprise me in the least.

LOL. I don't support the KKK, I was just stating a fact. HarmNone also has a Grand Wizard in her ancestry, I think she is one of the most open-minded people on the boards.

On the other side of the coin, I think that if things in this country were indeed fair, there would be no need for a KKK. Get rid of the NAACP and the ACLU along with the KKK, and I'll say GREAT.

Oh, and have fun telling me how I'm ignorant, because I'm not. You just dislike me from ingame occurences. GG.

[Edited on 11-25-2003 by Hulkein]

[Jolena]

It goes kind of along the same saying that in order to love America and what it stands for you must also love the fact that someone who says something you hate, still has that right just as you do. Do I abhor the KKK and what they stand for? Definately. Do I think that someone who does some of the things that members of KKK do deserves punishment? Definately. However, I can't say I hate them. I don't honestly hate anyone. However, when it comes to the KKK I do have personal issues with them because of my heritage and my children. So yeah, I can admit I was a bit happy and snickered when I heard that that fool got killed from a bullet one of his fellow members fired at an initiation rally. I have no problem with someone who has pride in their race and I have no problem with their right to feel as if they are superior to others. What I do have a problem with is the violence that ensues when they think that they have the right to eliminate those that aren't like them.

[Bestatte]

The whole "racial pride" issue is just way too confusing to me to comprehend. I'm old compared to most of you (maybe all of you?) and have grown up seeing plenty of bigotry passed down in my own family. I've also been the target of prejudice growing up.

But I mean..I never once gave any thought to whether or not I'm proud to have pale skin. Why do dark-skinned people need to bombast everyone with pride about theirs? What about "gay pride?"

I'm not "proud" of being a caucasion heterosexual Jew..nor am I ashamed of it. I just don't think these things are anything to be "proud" of, because you had no choice in the matter. It's not something you accomplished.

One should take pride in their accomplishments, their achievements. Being born with this or that color skin or to this or that ethnic or national background isn't an achievement. It's just something that happens at conception.

Maybe as soon as everyone else comes to term with this fact o'life, all these hate groups and pride groups will fall by the wayside and we can finally learn to get along.

In short, the KKK are nasty. But so are the "black pride" groups and the "gay pride" groups and the "women's pride" groups that run around making so much noise that amounts to nothing more than hearing their own voices.

[Overlord]

*cough*

[Jolena]

I have to disagree with you Bestatte on one issue. The fact that we shouldn't have pride in who we are because we are born that way. I don't agree at all. There is no reason whatsoever to not have pride in who you are, not just your accomplishments. I also think that many folks assume that only certain people have been discriminated against in history and that is simply not true. Women have been discriminated against for the longest. People have been discriminated against for their religious views, the color of their skin, the fact that they may go outside of their race/culture to marry or procreate, whether they are poor or rich. These things will continue to occur most likely at the VERY least until most of us are dead and gone. There will never in my opinion be a time that 'pride' groups or 'hate' groups don't exist. Why? Because America supports the right of all humans to have freedom of speech. No, it doesn't always work that way, I am not naive as to that fact, however it is a right that we are supposed to have. So.. in short, you will ALWAYS have to deal with folks who want to show their 'pride' or 'hate' of something as long as that right exists.

[Latrinsorm]

Everyone's different. Difference is disturbing. And before anyone gets all new-agey and uppity on me, let me say this: if you were to have grown up on Island X, where's its all white people, all the time, and a black guy shows up, would you notice he was different? You bet your ass you would. This is a change from your norm, thus you are disturbed. Disturbance can lead to fear, and then you're in a self-reinforcing spiral towards bigotry.

Do I hate black people? No. Do I hate people who make it so black people have it easier than me? Bet your ass I do. (And I'm just using black as a personal example, you can really throw any minority in there.) If I had the power, would I do away with affirmative action? Yup. Equal opportunity programs? Yup. It's all bullshit. The solution to generalization is not MORE generalization.

[HarmNone]

Had any of us grown up in a place where nobody was different than ourselves, we would be expected to notice someone who was, in fact, different. However, in this day and age the world is pretty well homogenized. Very few would be able to say they have never seen a black person, or an Indian person (American or otherwise, take your pick), or an Asian person. Yet, the hate continues.

HarmNone

[Jolena]

Actually.. I do have some very strong views on affirmative action. I believe that it needs to be done away with as well.. however there is a flip side to that, which is that there should be equal opportunity in schooling. Each shcool should have the same curriculums and opportunities to study the same subjects as other basic schools so that they all have an equal chance at getting into colleges. Aside from that, you are right, difference is disturbing and it is assanine not to say we notice it, however noticing it and wanting to eliminate it are two different things.

[Weedmage Princess]

I hate how people try to group the Klan with other groups like Women's Rights activists and Gay Rights, the NAACP (or whatever it's called) etc. The Klan has a LONG HISTORY of being a hateful, murderous organization. It would be one thing if they were just about White Pride, and weren't hell bent on putting down every other group...but they're not. They believe that the White race is the Supreme race, and that everyone else is lesser. They believe it's okay to go out and kill innocent people. They believe it's alright to teach hatred and intolerance to children. They hide behind the slogan "White Pride." but that's not what they're about. When have you heard of Gay rights activists, Womens Right's Activists and the NAACP telling people it's good and right to seek out and kill people who aren't like them? The difference is these groups support pride in what they are, which is fine...but they're not discrediting other groups, and they certainly not threatening their lives.

The KKK are terrorists. Just like your Al Qaeda, or any other violent extremists. They just don't have a tan and they speak English..if you want to call it that. Don't let these people fool you by hiding behind the ruse of PRIDE, folks. Pride is something much different than hatred.

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by Weedmage Princess
The difference is these groups support pride in what they are, which is fine...but they're not discrediting other groups, and they certainly not threatening their lives.


Affirmative action meant my brother couldn't get into his school of choice because he's white.

Not discrediting other groups? Gimme a break. national association for the ADVANCEMENT of colored persons. Advanced compared to what? Whitey. And cuz whitey's great-grand-uncle didn't free the slaves, whitey can't get a job. Seems fair to me. :thumbsdown: Fuck the NAACP and everything it stands for.

They're better than the KKK. Fine. I'll give you that.

[Weedmage Princess]

I'm not saying I agree with that, Latrinsorm. I wasn't talking about affirmative action. To be honest, I think whoever is best qualified for a job, should get the job. The color of their skin should be an afterthought, if it has to be contemplated at all.

I'm talking about how you CAN'T compare the Klan to the NAACP in the way of saying every other race should be subserviant to Blacks, which is what the Klan and other violent extremists do...and I stand by that. When the NAACP, Womens' Rights and Gay Pride start holding rallies to burn shit on people's lawns, start practicing lynchings, bombing churches and hanging people just because they are different, then I'll say "Yeah, they're inhuman slime" and I'll accept a comparison. Until then, no way.

**edited to add that this post is not to say there AREN'T violent activists, and those people..just like the KKK, should be burned in hot urine.

[Edited on 11-26-2003 by Weedmage Princess]

[Hulkein]

The only reason the NAACP doesn't do the things the KKK does is because they have the legal leverage to manuever every politician into corners to get what they want. Why? They know that they can make any white man a 'RACIST.'

John Street (the mayor of Philly) said at an NAACP meeting 'the brothas are running the city.' Had a white guy said 'whitey is running the city.' he'd be forced to resign.

Yes, the NAACP is 'better' then the KKK, but only because they have the leverage to do so. I agree, FUCK the NAACP.

[Weedmage Princess]

So you're saying...they'd go out and kill people, lynch people, etc. etc. if they could?

Uhm...let's not stir off course, okay?

Again, I'm not saying I am in favor of things like affirmative action, or people saying "the brothas are running the city." ...I'm not speaking in support of the NAACP's actions, I'm not in favor of any racism, regardless of which race is doing the discriminating. My argument is about the violence and hatred of the KKK...and that comparing that group and their actions to the actions of the NAACP, the Gay Rights Movement, Womens' Rights, etc. is...INCORRECT. Again, when they start killing people, burning crosses, etc. then you can make such comparisons (in this argument) until then? You're just wrong.