THW Warriors, Dodging, and You

[Martaigne]

I'm trying to decide if I can safely drop to 1x training in Dodging skill with my THW warrior to free up some points. Per my calculations, he now gets a +62 DS bonus from dodge skill while doubled. If I drop to single, that bonus drops to +43. I think he can survive that if I pick up the last rank of parry mastery in the upcoming few levels.

Training goals:

1) Triple armor until 140 ranks to get into full plate ASAP.
2) Spend points regained from armor use on tripling physical training for massive redux.
3) Throw in a few ranks of arcane symbols and magic item use along the way.
4) Try to get to single in multi-opponent combat.
5) Get third rank of parry mastery cman to assist in defense and protecting others.

Thoughts?


Normal (Bonus) ... Enhanced (Bonus)
Strength (STR): 98 (24) ... 98 (24)
Constitution (CON): 95 (22) ... 95 (22)
Dexterity (DEX): 80 (20) ... 80 (20)
Agility (AGI): 80 (25) ... 80 (25)
Discipline (DIS): 75 (7) ... 75 (7)
Aura (AUR): 79 (14) ... 79 (14)
Logic (LOG): 91 (20) ... 91 (20)
Intuition (INT): 55 (2) ... 55 (2)
Wisdom (WIS): 51 (0) ... 51 (0)
Influence (INF): 40 (0) ... 40 (0)


Martaigne (at level 20), your current skill bonuses and ranks (including all modifiers) are:
Skill Name | Current Current
| Bonus Ranks
Armor Use..........................| 160 60
Combat Maneuvers...................| 144 44
Two-Handed Weapons.................| 144 44
Brawling...........................| 144 44
Multi Opponent Combat..............| 50 10
Physical Fitness...................| 144 44
Dodging............................| 142 42
Perception.........................| 25 5
Climbing...........................| 25 5
Swimming...........................| 25 5


Martaigne, your Combat Maneuver training is as follows:

Skill name Mnemonic Ranks
Specialization I wspec1 2
Bull Rush bullrush 2
Surge of Strength surge 3
Parry Mastery pmastery 2

Available Combat Maneuver Training Points: 8

[holocene]

Always doable, but moreso once you're in plate. You might want to hold off on cutting your DS at least until you're in metal breastplate.

I think there's a consensus here on the forum that 3x'in in PF for sake of redux is not worth it once you reach 30-40 trains. It really starts to kick in at the level even if you're only 2x'ing in it.

In his 80's, my warrior THW Voln-brawling warrior puts all his extra TP's into dodging - it is one of the few areas left in which he can gain a significant combat advantage. So he's maintains 2.2x dodge.

Along the way he's picked up a few MIU and Arcane symbols ranks, but otherwise his train is largely what you have in mind here. And he stopped training in MoC at 55 ranks.

[Anebriated]

I think you will find that if you just get to 80 or 90 ranks of armor for mbp that will be more than sufficient until later levels. I trippled with my polearm warrior until he was in mbp now im letting it even out to 2x and bumping up MoC and Ambush.

IMO, drop surge and bullrush and pick up bonding and more specI.

Heres my training for reference:


Race: Human Profession: Warrior (shown as: Mercenary)
Gender: Male Age: 34 Expr: 1007184 Level: 29
Normal (Bonus) ... Enhanced (Bonus)
Strength (STR): 94 (27) ... 94 (27)
Constitution (CON): 83 (16) ... 83 (16)
Dexterity (DEX): 89 (19) ... 89 (19)
Agility (AGI): 94 (22) ... 94 (22)
Discipline (DIS): 87 (18) ... 87 (18)
Aura (AUR): 76 (13) ... 76 (13)
Logic (LOG): 74 (17) ... 74 (17)
Intuition (INT): 56 (8) ... 56 (8)
Wisdom (WIS): 39 (-5) ... 39 (-5)
Influence (INF): 74 (12) ... 74 (12)
Mana: 0 Silver: 0

(at level 29), your current skill bonuses and ranks (including all modifiers) are:
Skill Name | Current Current
| Bonus Ranks
Armor Use..........................| 180 80
Combat Maneuvers...................| 162 62
Polearm Weapons....................| 162 62
Brawling...........................| 160 60
Multi Opponent Combat..............| 105 25
Physical Fitness...................| 162 62
Dodging............................| 160 60
Magic Item Use.....................| 10 2
Perception.........................| 114 28
Climbing...........................| 50 10
Swimming...........................| 25 5
Training Points: 0 Phy 14 Mnt (388 Mnt converted to Phy)
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your Combat Maneuver training is as follows:

Skill name Mnemonic Ranks
Specialization I wspec1 3
Weapon Bonding bonding 5
Combat Toughness toughness 1
Surge of Strength surge 1
Parry Mastery pmastery 2

[holocene]

I agree on the generally unusefulness of bullrush. And weapon bonding is one of a warrior's most cool features!

I'd hold off on your final parry mastery until you get fully bonded.

[Martaigne]

Always doable, but moreso once you're in plate. You might want to hold off on cutting your DS at least until you're in metal breastplate.

I think there's a consensus here on the forum that 3x'in in PF for sake of redux is not worth it once you reach 30-40 trains. It really starts to kick in at the level even if you're only 2x'ing in it.

In his 80's, my warrior THW Voln-brawling warrior puts all his extra TP's into dodging - it is one of the few areas left in which he can gain a significant combat advantage. So he's maintains 2.2x dodge.

Along the way he's picked up a few MIU and Arcane symbols ranks, but otherwise his train is largely what you have in mind here. And he stopped training in MoC at 55 ranks.

Good advice on the armor vs. dodge. Why is tripling PF not recommended? Not worth the points? I always thought redux was mainly based off of the PF skill ranks.

Also, what is your motivation behind stopping MOC at 55 ranks?


I think you will find that if you just get to 80 or 90 ranks of armor for mbp that will be more than sufficient until later levels. I trippled with my polearm warrior until he was in mbp now im letting it even out to 2x and bumping up MoC and Ambush.

IMO, drop surge and bullrush and pick up bonding and more specI.

I plan to pick up rank 3 of wspec1 and bonding ranks once I get my blade back from the enchanter (you can see my saved points). I also plan to drop bullrush once I have some good ranks in tackling, I need something that will stance down critters. I just hate doing WG reps.

Are you finding Ambush to be mandatory?

[Latrinsorm]

I wouldn't recommend tripling PF just for redux. That said, I 3x PF on my warrior. It has quite a few other benefits, the most relevant one in your case being mstrike recovery time.

I prefer bullrush over tackle, but if you're willing to go through the tackle reps and don't mind the RT then clearly you don't need bullrush too. As an aside, tricks reps are really superbly easy. The only thing I don't like is having to do stupid spit reps.

For parry mastery and protecting others, you're pretty much always better off disabling an attacker than trying to parry it.

Plate armor is ridiculously awesome. 1x dodge is definitely doable.

[Anebriated]

Yeah as latrinsorm said, no use going 3x PF just for redux. With the points you spend on it you could probably pick up 2 ranks of secondary redux skills and benefit more from it, i dont have exact point costs in front of me atm though.

As for guildwork. If you can stomach it I suggest going either focusing in disarm or tackle first, but always do trick reps whenever you can. Because tricks are mostly audience and critter reps they can drag on so you might as well start early cause it takes awhile. I went tackle, sitting around 45 ranks of tackle, 20 tricks and 20 berserk atm. Youll also get feint from doing trick reps so thatll help with the critter stance and only has a rt of like 3.

Ambush isnt really that necissary, its more of a preference. Its just nice to be able to take out a leg to knock em down first swing then remove the head next swing. I currently have none on this char and havent found it to be impossible to live without but I have other hunting techniques atm.

1x dodge is definately a viable way to go, the way I see it though parry evade and dodge are our first line of defense and ill take as much of it as i can.

[Martaigne]

Thanks for the feedback guys. I really appreciate it!