Looking for flaring OHE for left hand use.

[Valgaav]

I'm looking for an edged weapon to use on my left hand.

Something with a base RT of 4 or less. longsword, scimitars, short swords. Daggers, gauches and rapiers aren't really the best but if they have like 90+ damage flares I might consider them too.

Weighs 4 or less.

And very important are the flares, I'm looking for something that wont be resisted, or reflected and strong.

considering acid, vaccuum, maybe steam (haven't seen steam in action please post log of it)flares. I'll consider other flares as well if they're powerful.

Stovel flares would be extremely nice.

Enchant isnt too important if the flares are really nice.

nothing too expensive, million or so would be fine.

So basically looking for 4lb nice 4x flaring longsword, scimitar, short sword.

[Jayvn]

why not just get a few fals and eblade every couple hunts..

[fallenSaint]

Heh.

[Valgaav]

its for my left hand, normal longswords are 5lb I cant use them without incurring extra rt. plus eblade flares are weak, I've seen at max 35, even drake weapons goes to 50

[StrayRogue]

When does weight (from a weapon) equal more rt??

[Valgaav]

since your using it on your left hand. depending on your str bonus you can hold up to a certain weight before it adds rt to your swing, Giantman and dwarves can hold up to 5lb due to their str, half-krol probally can too, humans and all elves can hold up to 4lb. the smaller races can hold up to 3lb.

http://www.krakiipedia.org/wiki/Two_Weapon_Combat
There are also penalties applied to your roundtime for having a weapon in your off hand heavier than your strength bonus would normally permit, as well as for using slower weapons in the off hand to prevent you from swinging faster by using specific combinations(Example: Dagger/Main Gauche combination results in a 2 second Base RT instead of 1 Second)

[StrayRogue]

Yes, but weapon weights are hardly constant. What if a dagger weighs 10 pounds, and a falchion weighs 1?

[Valgaav]

It probally only adds 1rt if it overweight for your str bonus

I dont want to waste money buying a glaes longsword to test but heres the small test i did

since your using it on your left hand. depending on your str bonus you can hold up to a certain weight before it adds rt to your swing, Giantman and dwarves can hold up to 5lb due to their str, half-krol probally can too, humans and all elves can hold up to 4lb. the smaller races can hold up to 3lb. halflings might be limited to 2lb

http://www.krakiipedia.org/wiki/Two_Weapon_Combat
There are also penalties applied to your roundtime for having a weapon in your off hand heavier than your strength bonus would normally permit, as well as for using slower weapons in the off hand to prevent you from swinging faster by using specific combinations(Example: Dagger/Main Gauche combination results in a 2 second Base RT instead of 1 Second)

I suspect for every 7 or so str bonus u can hold extra 1lb in your off hand before incurring rt

, my giant ranger has 35 str bonus and 6 agi/dex for 0 rt bonus swinging an estoc(4rt 4lb) in right and longsword (4rt 5lb) in left at 6 seconds, the otherway around longsword in right(4rt 5lb) and estoc (4rt 4lb) in left also 6 second. base is 6 seconds, right(4rt) + left(4rt-2rt)=6rt - 0(no agi/dex bonus) = 6rt

while my giant bard 22 str and 16 agi/dex for -1rt bonus swings one estoc(4lb) in right and longsword(5lb) in left at 6 seconds, swapped with longsword(5lb) in right and estoc(4lb) in left swings at 5 sec. the base in either case is 6 second right(4rt) + left(4rt-2rt)=6rt - 1rt(agi/dex bonus) = 5rt.

So on the bard where did the extra rt for 5lb longsword in left hand come from while using 4lb the rt went back to normal.

[thefarmer]

I always understood that it was the weapon BASE that affected swing RT, and the weight only mattered if it was over the set range for that particular weapon.

So a 1lb falchion would swing just as quickly as a regular 5lb falchion, but a 15lb falchion would, of course, swing alot slower.

Of course, I could be wrong.

[StrayRogue]

It's probably a TWC. As far as I've always understood, a weapon would swing as fast as any other of it's kind unless it's weight took you over an encumberance threshold.

[Valgaav]

There are also penalties applied to your roundtime for having a weapon in your off hand heavier than your strength bonus would normally permit

it's not that the weapon is swinging any slower, but having a heavier weapon than your str bonus permits will add rt onto the base rt of twc.

apparently 5lb is the max for giants(40 bonus),dwarves(35). humans(25) and elves(25) have a 4lb limit, any race with -5 bonus can only hold up to 3lb.

I think the system it uses to calculate the weight u can hold is the something like the agi/dex system, starting at 2lb for every race. at 8 you can hold 3lb at 23 you can hold 4lb at 38 you can hold 5lb. I'm sure if dwarves can hold 5lb weapons without incurring the rt cause my giant at 35 str can. and I'm almost certain humans cant hold 5lb at 30str so between 30 and 35 is the magic bonus for 5lb. my bard at 23 bonus can use 4lb without incurring extra rt so all elves, and humans should be able to as well. I'm certain on the boards it was mentioned weaker races cant do more then 3lb without incurring extra rt.

I'm in the process of testing if more even more weight means more rt.

Getting a obsidian(I believe these are heavy) scimitar(4rt base) to see if it gives me more then 1 extra rt.

[Valgaav]

just tested with obsidian scimitar(7lb 4rt).

my str bonus is 35. agil/dex is 6 no rt bonus

estoc(4lb 4rt) right hand / scimitar left hand swing at 7rt

scimitar right/ estoc left 6rt.

scimitar is 2lb more than my max. but the rt increased 1 rt

on my bard with the 5lb longsword which is 1lb higher then his max the rt increased only 1rt, though the test was small it seems higher weigh whether it's 1lb more or 2lb more the rt doesnt increase more then 1 due to weight.

now if I can find a 6lb weapon I can test if casting strength and phoen's can increase my max left hand weapon weight.

even with strength and phoen's on using the scimitar(7lb) I still incurred the extra 1 rt. so at 60str bonus(35natural +15 str +10 phoen) was not enough to use 2 extra lb over my max, but at 35 bonus I could use 5lb.

[Summertime]

Left hand weapon needs to be lighter then the right hand weapon or you get hit with a penalty. I'm a TWC Paladin.

[Lomoriond]

To clarify here, because I have messed about with a gnome TWC AND an elf TWC.

It is the ACTUAL weight of a weapon that determines off-hand speed penalties in TWC, not the base weight. It is strength alone that determines the off hand speed penalties, not agi/dex

Agi/dex still effect generic melee round time, just not off hand weight penalties.

How do I know this?

I used to use a 5 pound longsword in the main hand and a 4 pound longsword in the off hand as a burghal gnome (with my monstrous +10 strength bonus). With surge on (20+ strength bonus) I incured no penalty, when surge fell, I saw a +1 RT for swinging my off hand.

With the nerf to surge, I swapped out for a different weapon style and passed the swords along to my elf. The elf (who has 23 strength bonus) has NO penalty whatsoever swinging the 4 pound off hand, even without the use of surge.


Left hand weapon needs to be lighter then the right hand weapon or you get hit with a penalty. I'm a TWC Paladin.

Just clarifying further (this is deja vu from yesterday)... they can also be the SAME weight without a problem. I used to use two identical 4 pound flaring falchions without a hitch.

I'll sell my you 4 pound fire flaring longsword... but it's attached to my elf warrior, so you'd have to buy him too!

[Valgaav]

Well enough mechanics talk, Do anyone have a 4lb or less, acid, vaccuum, void, maybe steam flaring longsword, scimitar, or shortsword for sale?

[wizgem3]

I have 5x acid flaring longsword for sale couple weeks ago, but it did not sell. I'll check the weight when I got home from work.