FS: +8 old-style claidhmore

[stormcrow]

I have one of those razor-sharp mithirl claids for sale. It is old-style and +8. Im asking min 10mil and BO of 14mil

send offers to slamy@charter.net

[stormcrow]

current bid 10 mil Renil

[Summertime]

I think old style had a higher Avd (42?), but was hit with a negative 10 to enchant, so the old style was actually -2 to enchant when you added the mithril bonus and the 'razor sharp' bonus of 3.

New Style changed the AvD to 36 (I think), and removed the -10 penalty placed on all claids PRE change. At that point the claid becomes +8.

There are multiple forms of this claid out because they were released on 2 seperate occasions... once in Hortingers shop when Rivers Rest first opened (some of us sat in that godamn room waiting for alters for 3 days non-stop), and once more at another event I didn't attend.

The first release were allowed to retain their original properties, while the 2nd release got the 'auto-fix' treatment when Staff figured they would go thru and run some programs that were intended to fix any so called 'problems' some items had in game. Unfortunately, the attempt actually screwed up more things then it fixed, and the GM assist cues were clogged for months while it all got sorted out.

I still have one of mine from Hortingers (I used to have 2, but Commandant had one of them when he quit), but it got rebuilt when I let a friend borrow it and the ignorant ass thought it would be neat to have a budding GM try to add lightning flares to it. Lets just say... things didn't work out as planned, sand I asked for intervention. Staff rebuilt it for me, but with the new specs.

[Lomoriond]

The second release of these claidhs were +5 newstyle... NOT +8

Hopefully anyone with the cause to purchase a razor sharp mithril claidh knows to test it

[stormcrow]

>>The second release of these claidhs were +5 newstyle... NOT +8

Hopefully anyone with the cause to purchase a razor sharp mithril claidh knows to test<<

Look idiot this is the old-style which is a modified greatsword just like I have advertised it.

[Lomoriond]

No need to get your little panties in a twist. I was clarying further off summertimes posts for references sake so the public is well informed. i wasn't dogging your auction, theres no call to be snippy.

We try to look out for each other here on the PC... either that or we just call each other names and flame the shit out of each other...

So in welcome to the PC:

Go fuck yourself, you whiny little bitch.

And good luck with your auction

[TheEschaton]

Saying +8 OLDSTYLE is generally accepted by most people to mean -2 overall.

No one expects it to be a 3.5x oldstyle claid (an ACTUAL +8) selling for 10m.

-TheE-

[Khariz]

Saying +8 OLDSTYLE is generally accepted by most people to mean -2 overall.

No one expects it to be a 3.5x oldstyle claid (an ACTUAL +8) selling for 10m.

-TheE-

hmm, if someone said +8 oldstyle, I'd expect that to mean +8.

There's a difference in talking about old style using 2x, and saying +8.

Usually when you auction an old-style you say something like 3x old style claid (+5), just to be clear.

At least, that's what I do. I agree with you on the price problem though. If it's really old style, really claid-weighted, and really +8, it's worth assloads more.

[stormcrow]

>>Saying +8 OLDSTYLE is generally accepted by most people to mean -2 overall.

No one expects it to be a 3.5x oldstyle claid (an ACTUAL +8) selling for 10m.<<

Yes my bad .. it is +8 enchant as all oldstyles are -10 it is indeed a -2 overall AS. I figure anyone who would want this knows the blade and understands the difference between the two.

[Khariz]

>>Saying +8 OLDSTYLE is generally accepted by most people to mean -2 overall.

No one expects it to be a 3.5x oldstyle claid (an ACTUAL +8) selling for 10m.<<

Yes my bad .. it is +8 enchant as all oldstyles are -10 it is indeed a -2 overall AS. I figure anyone who would want this knows the blade and understands the difference between the two.

Yeah...I think that was your mistake in judgment with how you explained your auction, not an error in people's thinking. Being honest about the true enchant of an item by expressing the actual AS bonus is important to many people. Like I said above, when auctioning an old style claid it would be wholly appropriate to say 2x old style claid (+0 to AS).

This is not only to inform people who don't understand the mechanics of old-style claids. This is just plain honesty in merchanting. Don't blame other people for being ignorant of the true stats of your item. It wasn't their obligation to self-educate. It was your obligation to disclose.

[Khariz]

Oh, and in the interest of Full Disclosure. I received this e-mail from you on 5/18/2007:

"You can have it at 2mil ... im at the landing just think to Ravinold if ya see me on or let me know where to meet up"

This was in regards to the magical invar claid. I've e-mailed you three times about it since you said this, and have sent thoughts and have attempted to locate Ravinold daily since this e-mail. You are always unlocatable at all times of day, and never respond to thoughts. You also don't respond to e-mails.

I'm guessing you got more money from someone else for the claid and don't feel like living up to your promise to sell it to me.

Oh well.

[TheEschaton]

+8 is standard for inbetween enchants (in this case, between 1x and 2x). And I don't think there's an ethical need to spell everything out for a person. He said +8 OLDSTYLE, it's caveat emptor, if they don't know that means an actual -2 bonus, their fault.

-TheE-

[stormcrow]

Sorry, for those of us who have been around for a while and have bought these blades off the rack from the merchant selling them "+8 claid" means it has +8 to it's enchantment. The old style claids had no enchantment and were -10. This is a common blade that comes up and people who know what a razor sharp mithril claid old-style is understand it's properties. As I have had only a couple offers for bids it is obvious that most people understood this since im not getting a flood of people looking to buy a x3.5 enchanted claid for 14mil since the last 3.5x enchanted claid i saw sold for 35+ mil. For all the Noobs out there .. yes this is -2 to enchant bonus.


as for you

>>This was in regards to the magical invar claid. I've e-mailed you three times about it since you said this, and have sent thoughts and have attempted to locate Ravinold daily since this e-mail. You are always unlocatable at all times of day, and never respond to thoughts. You also don't respond to e-mails.<<

No I sold this priced at the same price I told you I would sell it to you. Not responding to me for 3-4 days about getting your item is longer then I wanted to wait. When I sell something I expect people be diligent about trying to pick it up, not waiting 3-4 days about getting back to me. Unless they tell me it will take that long otherwise.

[Khariz]

+8 is standard for inbetween enchants (in this case, between 1x and 2x). And I don't think there's an ethical need to spell everything out for a person. He said +8 OLDSTYLE, it's caveat emptor, if they don't know that means an actual -2 bonus, their fault.

-TheE-

I guess we'll just have to disagree. If you say Imflass 4x, that SHOULD mean +17, but some folks are dolts and are talking about a +22 item, which drastically changes the worth. It's possible for a +8 (actual bonus) old-style mithril claid to exists. Granted he wouldn't be stupid enough to start the bid at 10 mil, so yeah, all circumstances taken into account, people SHOULD be smart enough to figure this shit out on their own. I'll agree with that much.

I'm not so much arguing about that aspect of it. I'm arguing with him getting his panties in a wad when people asked for clarification. Just answer the fucking question, don't say "Well you should have already known this if you wanted the weapon you dumb fuck". [Yes I realize he did not say that quote].

Edit: Even better, he now calls the people who wanted clarification "noobs".

[Khariz]

No I sold this priced at the same price I told you I would sell it to you. Not responding to me for 3-4 days about getting your item is longer then I wanted to wait. When I sell something I expect people be diligent about trying to pick it up, not waiting 3-4 days about getting back to me. Unless they tell me it will take that long otherwise.

What I'm telling you is that I responded immediately. I have attempted to contact you in game, 3 times per day, Morning, afternoon, and night, every day since I won the item. I located you, sent wizard familiars after you, and sent you thoughts. You were always online, and NEVER responded.

I have also e-mailed you 4 times total. You reponded to the FIRST e-mail telling me I could HAVE THE ITEM AT 2 MIL, and then never responded to any other e-mail.

It's not ME who had trouble getting back to the transaction.

[stormcrow]

What set me off was this stupid statement


>>The second release of these claidhs were +5 newstyle... NOT +8
Hopefully anyone with the cause to purchase a razor sharp mithril claidh knows to test it<<

Look, I guess I'm asking a lot from people in a indepentent GS player forum (most of whom seem educated in items) . I really didn't want to have to go into the game mechanics about old-style and new style about claids. I was not trying to decieve anyone about the true properties about this claid. A razor-sharp mithril claid is a lot like FGB: Most everyone knows their properties. Again, outside two people who keep posting negative dribble on my auction, I haven't heard of another 'confused about it's properties' person.

[Summertime]

good lord..

I'm sorry I even mentioned anything about the old / new claids now :(

I was just trying to answer a posted question that has since been removed, making ME look like a trouble making shit.

I'm sorry :(

[Lomoriond]

good lord..

I'm sorry I even mentioned anything about the old / new claids now :(

I was just trying to answer a posted question that has since been removed, making ME look like a trouble making shit.

I'm sorry :(

Actually I think it made ME the trouble making shit, responding to both yours and the removed post.

My post had NOTHING to do with old versus new style or misrepresenting the actual AS bonus... it had everything to do with informing people who started playing within the last 5 years and haven't been exposed to the fact these were released twice.

There are TWO potential properties for the EXACT same description... one is +5 new, one is +8 old (or -2 old if you want to be anal) AND any buyer with cause to purchase it to begin with ought to double check the stats on it before just forking over their money.

It's nothing personal, but we don't know you from a boil on a donkey's ass because you've never posted here up until recently... Even if your name in GS is reputable (a la zimzum) you could EASILY be trying to screw someone over, and anyone who doesn't know about this item's double properties doesn't know that this COULD be (and has been in the past) a problematic item.

Just spreading the word, mang!

I also apologize for telling you to fuck off... Having to get up for work at 4 AM AND miss a woot off AND be called an idiot when I was only trying to help... not a good way to start my day!

But fuck off anyways, for good measure. Not because I dislike you, but because that's the way to have fun on these forums.

L ~

[Summertime]

if it makes anyone feel better, I loaned out my blue ora claid to someone.. and I forgot WHO I loaned it out to and was never able to get it back. If anyone sees it, give me a yell :)

Now everybody gets to laugh at my very very very poor memory (yes I used to write names down, but forgot where I put the notepad I was using)

PS: If I remember correctly, it was new style AvD (sigh)

[Bobmuhthol]

I'm just going to point something out as to why thinking a +8 oldstyle claid is +8 AS is totally ridiculous:

A +8 oldstyle claidh is +8 COMPARED TO OTHER OLDSTYLE CLAIDHS, that's what the enchant bonus means, nothing else. Anyone that can't interpret something like that doesn't deserve to own one.

[Malok]

I'm just going to point something out as to why thinking a +8 oldstyle claid is +8 AS is totally ridiculous:

A +8 oldstyle claidh is +8 COMPARED TO OTHER OLDSTYLE CLAIDHS, that's what the enchant bonus means, nothing else. Anyone that can't interpret something like that doesn't deserve to own one.


QFT.



He's here to sell an item.


Not take up the position of professor and educate people on how things work.



+8 OLDSTYLE claid is clear to anyone - even to the people that play casters exclusively.



Anyone that thinks there is ambiguity, is unlikely to have the money to be able to buy the item regardless - and if they aren't buying it, no one cares if they do or do not understand.



And if they do have the money, and don't understand - its THEIR fault for purchasing an item that they don't understand.

[beer]

meh, these are well known enough blades that it shouldn't be too misleading, but +/- numbers are usually used to reflect the true bonus. in general, if someone were to advertise a "+15 oldstyle claidh," i'd assume they mean it has a final bonus of +15 rather than +5.

[TheEschaton]

then you're an idiot.

[stormcrow]

meh, these are well known enough blades that it shouldn't be too misleading, but +/- numbers are usually used to reflect the true bonus. in general, if someone were to advertise a "+15 oldstyle claidh," i'd assume they mean it has a final bonus of +15 rather than +5.

Where are you people from? the +8 is a TRUE bonus. A normal un-enchant old-style claid is -10 enchant. Add the TRUE
bonus of +8 and now tha claid is -2 enchant. And this statement "i'd assume they mean it has a final bonus of +15 rather than +5." is about as ignorant as they come. A Old-style Mein or Laen claid will be +5 to the AS. If I were selling as you like to call it a +15 to the AS bonus claid I'd have it listed as 5x enchant claid and I would get about 60 mil for it. But if It makes you feel better, buy my claid, take it to the weapon tent that converts weapon bases (assuming it's still there) and convert it to a new-style +8 to the AS bonus claid.

[beer]

ha, okay. i've bought and sold enchanted claidhs in the past, and almost every time they've been advertised as "oldstyle 3x (+5)" or something along those lines. this is because most people i've dealt with use the "x" number to reflect the # of enchants, and the "+" to reflect the actual plus to AS.

but whatever. i specifically said i didn't think anyone was going to get mislead b/c the properties of these claidhs are well known. don't get your panties in a bunch.

[Silique]

+ anything should mean over and above unchanted AS. Yes, we all knew what he meant and we all know he wasnt trying to dupe anybody. But +8 in this case should actually be -2. If for no other reason but for uniformity.

[stormcrow]

+ anything should mean over and above unchanted AS. Yes, we all knew what he meant and we all know he wasnt trying to dupe anybody. But +8 in this case should actually be -2. If for no other reason but for uniformity.

Ok .. this is the last post I will make. I feel like I'm trying to teach a chimp how to do simple mathmatics. So this will be my last post concerning this:

your AS is 50 with an old-style claid
Your AS is 58 with my old-style claid

how much is your AS up above the NORMAL ENCHANTMENT OF A OLD-STYLE CLAID?

Now go away noobs. Go find another post to express your ignorance.

[Lomoriond]

Next up on :deadhorse:


Partial enchants... 2.5x or 3x?
If an empath vultures a wound in TSC, and theres no one around to see it... do you still tip?

aaaaaaand

who keeps the scarab?

[Khariz]

ha, okay. i've bought and sold enchanted claidhs in the past, and almost every time they've been advertised as "oldstyle 3x (+5)" or something along those lines. this is because most people i've dealt with use the "x" number to reflect the # of enchants, and the "+" to reflect the actual plus to AS.



This is exactly what I was saying in my posts. When *I* auction old style claids, which I have done for 12 years now, I give the enchant of it in the (nX) format and the ACTUAL BONUS in the (+n). This is common practice.

Everyone telling beer he is an idiot for claiming this to be a norm...is an idiot.

Malok, you are an idiot as well. The people complaining about it in this thread are some of the richest most knowledgable assholes around. I've got 100 mil and another half a bil in assets to spend on a claidhmore. I don't know many people who post on this board that couldn't scrape up a piddly 10 mil. Get real.

I'll try to stop beating the dead horse now. Like I said to TheE on page 1 or 2, We'll have to agree to disagree on the proper way to auction an old-style claidhmore. I'm perfectly content with telling Ravinold he's an idiot, and him telling me I'm an idiot for thinking so. That's about as far as we've gotten, and I'm cool with that.

[Summertime]

Next up on :deadhorse:
Partial enchants... 2.5x or 3x?

Mechanically speaking.. you always round up ;)



If an empath vultures a wound in TSC, and theres no one around to see it... do you still tip?


If you tip an Empath, especially if they are sleeping, their milk goes sour for days



aaaaaaand

who keeps the scarab?


BOX OWNER YOU PILFERING BASTARDS!! LOL

[TheEschaton]

If it's +16, 3x, +17 or +18, 3.5x, +19 I'd say 4x (+19).

Always tip empaths, scarabs always go to the rogue. Unless the rogue cannot disarm it AND you disarm it. If someone else disarms it, they get it.