World of Warcraft Patch 2.1 BIG DADDY

[Sean of the Thread]

DISCUSS!

The patch notes are tooooo humongo to post here so here is a link.

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=94203802&sid=1

[Trouble]

Is the patch today?

Not looking forward to the alchemy changes. They even nerfed the invulerability potions, which were a great trick for healers in raids.

[Some Rogue]

Yep, patch today and I can't wait. Lots of good stuff for raiding rogues imo.

And finally bringing those uppity shaman down a peg or two. I'm looking at you Dar.

[Tea & Strumpets]

Yep, patch today and I can't wait. Lots of good stuff for raiding rogues imo.

And finally bringing those uppity shaman down a peg or two. I'm looking at you Dar.


I just turned the blowtorch on you on the other boards. Prepare to be set on fire!

[Alfster]

"Mangle(Bear)": Damage increased by 15%, but bonus threat reduced so that overall threat generation will be unchanged.

Hott

[Some Rogue]

I just turned the blowtorch on you on the other boards. Prepare to be set on fire!

Less QQ, more pewpew.

[StrayRogue]

I fucking hate patch day: it totally fucks my UI.

I neeeeeed Titan and HealBot.

[Drew2]

Titan (bar) I can live without. I'm really hurting without Bagnon and ItemRack. I'll have to scrounge for updated versions later tonight.

Not sure what HealBot does but it sounds like a lazy healer's add-on. Healing is already boring, why make it even more boring?

[StrayRogue]

Healing in a raid is so much harder without healbot. I don't know how I lived without it before.

Beyond that and Titan, I've never needed anything else (save CT_Mod/Raid Assist).

[Parkbandit]

I learned a LONG time ago to get by without any UI addons, since patch days SUCKED ass so bad.

I downloaded the patch, loaded the out of date addons, and I was off and running with zero problems. SWStats is fucked up, but I can certainly play effectively without it.

[Parkbandit]

Healing in a raid is so much harder without healbot. I don't know how I lived without it before.

Beyond that and Titan, I've never needed anything else (save CT_Mod/Raid Assist).


LOL

Healing in a raid could possibly be the easiest thing to do in a raid. Maybe playing a hunter is easier... but that's probably it.

[Nieninque]

Patchdays these days are only bad for add ons where there is a huge change in the scripting languages...like yesterdays patch.

Having said that, most of the add ons I use are part of the Ace2 library and 90% of them are already updated.

I can use the default UI, but the game is just prettier for me with add ons.

And Stay, yeah Healbot is awesome for healing.

[Drew2]

Rofl, yeah healing in a raid is VERY easy with the default UI. As a druid, you push about 4 buttons the entire duration of the raid if everything goes smoothly. The only hard work is clicking on the green health bar that has dropped the lowest.

OH MAN HOW HARD.

[StrayRogue]

I guess coming from your l33t guild, you know best drew.

[Nieninque]

I also havent used CTRA for ages...not since theirs last went into hugely lag-inducing phase.

There are so much better options available.

[Some Rogue]

I had no issues with vBagnon yesterday or Titan bar. Only the CT bars gave me one small glitch. It reset my class bar and I couldn't move it at all.

[Drew2]

I don't use CTRA either. Blizzard put a LOT of what CTRA had into their default UI so it became obsolete.

And I'm not sure what Stay is implying, but fuck you.

[Tea & Strumpets]

LOL

Healing in a raid could possibly be the easiest thing to do in a raid. Maybe playing a hunter is easier... but that's probably it.


You think so? I think healing is the toughest job in a raid. Keeping an eye on 10-40 health bars takes a little more focus than watching one target's health and spamming attacks.

I always think of the DPSers and tanks as the ones just skating through raids on easy mode.

[Nieninque]

Yeah, most raids I healed on were a little more intense than just clicking on a health bar every now and again and popping a heal off...I seem to recall certain shamans and stabby rogues getting two shot on a regular basis and having to heal like fuckery to keep them alive. Maybe it's all about the company.

Also, playing a tanking druid is kinda funny too...people are like "Good tanking" and I'm like tanking is piss easy if you are getting teh heels.

[Drew2]

1. If you are having to heal a rogue or shaman with any intensity or regularity, they are shitty and should not be in the raid.

2. Tea & Strumpets: The most you should have to heal now is 25, and that's assuming your guild does Gruul's/Mag/SSC. And even then you should probably only ever half to worry about half of them.

[Tea & Strumpets]

Yeah, most raids I healed on were a little more intense than just clicking on a health bar every now and again and popping a heal off...I seem to recall certain shamans and stabby rogues getting two shot on a regular basis and having to heal like fuckery to keep them alive. Maybe it's all about the company.



"Fuckery" isn't even a word so I am disregarding that whole paragraph of BS!

[Nieninque]

1. If you are having to heal a rogue or shaman with any intensity or regularity, they are shitty and should not be in the raid.

If you ever raided with Hounds of Rexxar you would know that your statement is redundant.


2. Tea & Strumpets: The most you should have to heal now is 25, and that's assuming your guild does Gruul's/Mag/SSC. And even then you should probably only ever half to worry about half of them.

Not sure how many Kazzak and Doomwalker take to kill (thought it was 40) but AV definitely takes 40 as would any raids on towns.

Just because the latest PvE shit is 10-25, it doesnt mean that no-one ever does anything else.

[Nieninque]

"Fuckery" isn't even a word so I am disregarding that whole paragraph of BS!

I am English. I get to choose what is an English word. Hush.

[StrayRogue]

Coming from a raiding rogue to a priest I'd say the focus has definately changed and it has been a real eye-opener to say to the least.

You could argue that standing in front of something spamming SS, SND etc is easy. I wouldn't say it ever was in a difficult dungeon.

Priests on the other hand just have to heal people. Hover over a bar and click a button. Easy? Maybe. As I'm not coming close to dying a lot, as I did as a DPS whore, I don't find it as intense unless I'm low on mana, the nub warrior can't control his mobs, some other noob has gotten d/c'd or agg'd some patrol or something bad happens. It's those moments that the skills are put to the test. It certainly isn't easy.

The main thing I've noticed is that a good healer gets noticed a lot more than a good rogue. You can also get away with being a really shit player as a rogue and get by. You can't as a healer.

[StrayRogue]

I had no issues with vBagnon yesterday or Titan bar. Only the CT bars gave me one small glitch. It reset my class bar and I couldn't move it at all.

Odd, Titan isn't working for me.

[Drew2]

I notice good rogues because their damage is at the top of the damage meters (which are always on my screen) and they're not having to get healed often/at all.

And generally if their DPS stays at the top that means they're not dying, which means they're not pulling agro, which means they're good.

[Parkbandit]

I actually agree totally with you Stay.

I've played both a rogue and a healer. I agree that it's much easier to play a priest than a rogue in a raid. As a rogue, you always had to worry about position, aggro, interrupts, etc... but it's easy to get by because the entire raid isn't counting on you to make split second decisions. I think as long as you are in a good raid, healing is the easiest thing to do. You focus 90% on the MT or the offtank and spot heal everyone else if there is an aoe or some other raid effecting damage. In most cases, if you pull aggro on a boss and you are not in plate, you die.

But it is much more likely that you will get cheered or booed as a priest than you ever will as a rogue.

[Trouble]

I dunno, healing is pretty challenging, although I haven't been on any raids since BC was released. It takes a lot of energy and focus to monitor so many health bars and prioritize your mana and prep times/round times. Then you have to worry about the usual LoS issues and boss-specific movement while still healing. You also have to assess the skills/habits of the other healers around you so you know how loose or tight you need to be on the healing; e.g., main healing with a Dar in the group is different than healing with a Monkeysnarf in the group.

While it's true you may only need 3-4 keys (I used about 7 though) to heal, the same can be said for DPSing too. The main problem I had when I tried playing DPS was avoiding AoEs and other boss tricks, other than that it was just spamming whichever attacks I had on the MA's target.

[Drew2]

priests have a few more buttons than druids. As a druid, I push Lifebloom the most, followed by rejuv, followed by swiftmend, followed by regrowth. I rarely use healing touch because it takes too long to cast. I do use it in combination with Nature's Swiftness in a pinch though.

Anyway. Easysauce. The end.

[StrayRogue]

SS, SS, SS, SS, SS, SND. Repeat.

Oh the woe's of a raiding rogue.

[Some Rogue]

Until this patch....not taking damage as a rogue wasn't all about not pulling aggro. Every other mob had a chain cleave, a 360 degree cleave or AoE which meant taking damage was unavoidable.

Also, with the smaller raids, being a shit player makes it a lot harder to get by. Everyone has to be on their toes doing their jobs.

All that being said, I still think tanking and healing are the hardest jobs. Tanking especially so if you have a certain shaman in your group who likes to light the mobs up before they even get to the tank.

[StrayRogue]

/agree

[Some Rogue]

SS, SS, SS, SS, SS, SND. Repeat.

Oh the woe's of a raiding rogue.

Silly sword rogues :P

It's ambush, mutilate, SnD, mutilate, mutilate, envenom. Oh, and pop your trinkets now and then when their cooldown is up.


The main problem I had when I tried playing DPS was avoiding AoEs and other boss tricks, other than that it was just spamming whichever attacks I had on the MA's target.

That's one of the things about the xpac that I like. It's more than just getting in position and spamming your attacks. You have to be more aware of what's going on around you.

[Alfster]

Patch day raids FTL.

Although on the plus side I picked up the healing trinket off of Gruul, tier 4 gloves, and the idol off of moroes.

[Sean of the Thread]

Yeah, most raids I healed on were a little more intense than just clicking on a health bar every now and again and popping a heal off...I seem to recall certain shamans and stabby rogues getting two shot on a regular basis and having to heal like fuckery to keep them alive. Maybe it's all about the company.

Also, playing a tanking druid is kinda funny too...people are like "Good tanking" and I'm like tanking is piss easy if you are getting teh heels.

Agreed on all points.

[StrayRogue]

Is it me or is curse gaming being a bit weird today?

[CrystalTears]

Curse Gaming is always bad the week of a new patch.

[Skirmisher]

What's a UI?

[StrayRogue]

User Interface.

[DeV]

We'll just all pretend you never asked that question.

[Skirmisher]

:(

[Sean of the Thread]

What's a UI?

UI = Uterus Intervention.



WoW = Most effective birth control on the planet.

[Apathy]

Apparently you've never tried LaRP. Consult your doctor.

[Sean of the Thread]

rofl