Hectomaner's main gauche

[Summertime]

Anyone know what happened to this? I've been told by several people Hec has been sold multiple times very recently, and before it all started he was going to sell me his eonake gauche cheap.

Anyone got any info? Thnx

[allen]

was that the 4x HCW one?

[Skeeter]

why would you put crit weighting on a gauche?

[Bobmuhthol]

To show your left-handed badassery.

[Summertime]

no.. eonake, was sancted, had 2 flares you could switch between.

[m444w]

Crit weighted main gauches rock.

[Back]

Crit weighted main gauches rock.

Icing on the cake for real.

When the off-hand hits weak anything to move the tables up makes you a monster.

[Summertime]

I already have the crit weighted main gauche.. I looking for one I can use against undead without bonding to it. One with multiple flares you can swap really would help with the types of critters you can hunt effectively :)

[Back]

I already have the crit weighted main gauche.. I looking for one I can use against undead without bonding to it. One with multiple flares you can swap really would help with the types of critters you can hunt effectively :)

TWC paladin? Crazy. I always wanted to try a TWC paladin, but a Voln brawler.

[Skeeter]

A main-gauche is a defense only weapon. If you want to fight TWC style get a short sword or a dagger or something.

using a gauche as an attacking weapon just shows a lack of understanding of the weapon you have. hence why would you put crit weighting on a gauche?

Only answer I could think of was you clearly don't know what a gauche is or what it's used for.

[Summertime]

I LOVE being a TWC paladin.. it RAWKS.. and I DO FU.. Im fully maxed in TWC, OHE & Brawling, Mastered Voln, and its really damn fun to just wander thru undead and get that great flying double spin kick that insta kills almost constantly. Granted, the training is brutal and costly, but I placed my stats perfect for it, and I still have enough left over for 1/2 in spells and plenty of mana.

The PROBLEM I'm facing these days is choosing WHAT weapons I want to use, seeing as how there are simply TONS for me to choose from. It's just that somebody else owns all the really great ones, and I can't afford to buy them all. (sigh)

PS: As for gauche being purely defensive Skeeter, have you ever actually used one with TWC? That little extra 'oomph' with the weighting comes in handy when an initial strike with a fel hafter left the critter stunned and/or prone. If you don't like it, thats fine.. (shrug) but I'm also a big fan of katars... so maybe I'm just insane :)

[Back]

A main-gauche is a defense only weapon. If you want to fight TWC style get a short sword or a dagger or something.

using a gauche as an attacking weapon just shows a lack of understanding of the weapon you have. hence why would you put crit weighting on a gauche?

Only answer I could think of was you clearly don't know what a gauche is or what it's used for.

And you clearly don’t know that a guache is a natural +5 def weapon for TWC. Plus, its weapon speed and weight is lower than a short sword.

[Bobmuhthol]

You know what's really funny? A main gauche *is* an offensive weapon, lol!

[The Factor]

Well, its like saying "Its sharp and pointy, its not made for cutting things!"

[fallenSaint]

Not that I should add to the whole off topic conversation but why bother saying they dont know what a main gauche is for? They aren't loosing the defensive bonus its giving, its going to be swung during combat, why not let it do more damage while doing so.....

[Skeeter]

main gauche /Fr. mɛ̃ ˈgoʊʃ/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[Fr. man gohsh] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun
a dagger of the 16th and 17th centuries, held in the left hand in dueling and used to parry the sword of an opponent.


Yes you can stab someone with it. But to say it's an offensive weapon is just false. I can smack you with a shield but that doesn't make it an offensive weapon.

I'm not trying to make a huge deal about it. Taking advantage of game mechanics is all well and good, and it's not like it jars me out of my RP :lol:

There's plenty of obscure weapons in GS that I have to google just to get an idea of what it is so I don't expect every person to know every property of each weapon. Just struck me as odd is all.

I understand now though, you can use it to exploit poor game mechanics. very clever.

[Gan]

Realistically speaking, anything you can hold in your hand and attack someone/thing with would be considered a weapon (genre: tool/implement). Be it a fork, a stick, a rock, or a wet sock.

If you want to fall back on the semantics of the item's nature, then I would hasten to say that its not only a weapon, but can be used offensively as well as defensively. Much like a shield, a polearm, or a staff.

[The Factor]

I have to agree, Ganalon. The very nature of a "weapon" is to be used offensively. Otherwise, it would just be a shield. And even a shield can be used offensively. If you want to get technical, you could say shield bashing is exploiting the very smashy nature of a big hunk of wood or metal... I mean, seriously, hand to hand combat is a dirty business... if I have to bite you on the nose to preserve my own life, you can be damn sure, you are getting bitten on the nose. :medieval:

[Skeeter]

alright, we'll all agree it's a defensive weapon that can be used offensively in certain cases.

:laser:

[Celephais]

... defensive "weapon". Skeet if you're going to be symantical, don't oxymoronisize yourself.

Main Entry: 1weap·on http://www.meriam-webster.com/images/audio.gif (javascript:popWin('/cgi-bin/audio.pl?weapon01.wav=weapon'))
Pronunciation: 'we-p&n
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English wepen, from Old English w[AE]pen; akin to Old High German wAffan weapon, Old Norse vApn
1 : something (as a club, knife, or gun) used to injure, defeat, or destroy
2 : a means of contending against another

Sure defensive weapon is fine to say (you can have defensive strikes), but that doesn't make it any less a weapon, something used to injure opponents. So lets injure them more viciously!

[Skeeter]

I was accused of semantics earlier.

regardless it's primarily a defensive weapon (object) (metal thing?) and you would only use it offensively in rare occurances. That is if you were using it for it's original intent and not in some text based fantasty world. oh wait...

[Skeeter]

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I tried to get one of these made in game once. merchant wouldn't do it.






...alright, how do I show the link but put in my own text?

[Celephais]

This is the link (http://www.gothicfantasy.com/dagger/13Z1031.html)

type [ url = http://www.gothicfantasy.com/dagger/13z1031.html ]This is the link [ / url ]

Without all the spaces.

[Celephais]

...and you would only use it offensively in rare occurances. That is if you were using it for it's original intent and not in some text based fantasty world. oh wait...

I can promise you it's original intent had it used offensively just as much as it was used defensively. Do you really think that if your opponent swung at your right side, the side your gauche was not on, you would move the gauche to that side (crossing your main hand) to parry? Or do you think you'd parry w/ your main hand and then stab them in the throat w/ the gauche? If it were intended for 99% parry, it would be bigger, wouldn't need to be pointy, have a larger surface to block incoming thrusts, and be called a shield.

[Skeeter]

still doesn't work

[Celephais]

still doesn't work

are you trying to do the whole GIS link? Click the link for "view page this image was found on" or whatever, so you get rid of all the escape characters and the smiley face and all the other crap in the google query string, then you can paste it (or tinyurl the link). Pretty much if you copy what I posted and take out the spaces you should be fine.

[Skeeter]

I can promise you it's original intent had it used offensively just as much as it was used defensively. Do you really think that if your opponent swung at your right side, the side your gauche was not on, you would move the gauche to that side (crossing your main hand) to parry? Or do you think you'd parry w/ your main hand and then stab them in the throat w/ the gauche? If it were intended for 99% parry, it would be bigger, wouldn't need to be pointy, have a larger surface to block incoming thrusts, and be called a shield.

no if he swung at your right side you'd parry with your main hand. You wouldn't lunge forward with your gauche becase you would completely leave your defenses wide open to counter. Remember IRL you can't find an empath to heal you, any sword injury had the capacity to be fatal. Not being hit was paramount.

The gauche was used to tie up your opponents blade freeing you for an open shot. They were usually blunted and thicker than a regular dagger and depending on how rich you were you would decorate them with jewels and other garbage.

The typical fighting style was to hold the gauche point down at arms length and use a sweeping motion to attempt to tie up or clear the opponents blade. If for some reason we're tied up like in the movies <lol> I could hit you with it but it certainly wasn't it's primary function. I really don't know how to make it any more clear.

[Bobmuhthol]

<<The gauche was used to tie up your opponents blade freeing you for an open shot.>>

That's what sais are used for. Main gauches are just fucking off-hand daggers; they aren't even a uniformly consistent weapon, just the name of any off-hand dagger.

[Skeeter]

that's like saying swords aren't uniformly consistent. It's just a generic term for a long blade in your main hand.

You're probably right bob, gauche's aren't used to tie up your opponent's blade, only ninja could do that. You're clearly right and all those historians are dirty dirty liars.

[Bobmuhthol]

<<that's like saying swords aren't uniformly consistent. It's just a generic term for a long blade in your main hand.>>

Yeah, I guess it is. And SOME SWORDS SERVE SOME FUNCTIONS THAT OTHERS DON'T, LOL!

[Summertime]

I was accused of semantics earlier.

regardless it's primarily a defensive weapon (object) (metal thing?) and you would only use it offensively in rare occurances...

Ummm.. no.

TWC would have you swinging that 'defensive weapon' continuously with the implicit intention of attacking & killing. It is largely unique in that it is a DEFENDER class weapon, granting defensive enhancement while in full offensive stance, and yet available 'off the shelf'.

So even while you're killing with it, its granting you greater level of protection then most other weapon types or styles. Will it be an effective replacement for a shields abilities to protect? No.. but it's capacity to cause injury is generally greater then a shields. Is it as effective a weapon as say, a longsword or waraxe? No, but again, it surpasses those items ability to protect, should they fail in the attempt to kill.

I enjoy having multiple options available to me as a TWC Paladin. I think it ridiculous that a weapon be damned on the basis of semantics, rather then it's actual effect in use.

[Celephais]

Summer... Skeeter was talking about real life. I still feel you'd utilize a gauche offensively in combat as well as defensively, but I don't care to argue it any further (as I'm sure Skeets blue in the face too). But at least stay with the topic if you want to come out of left field...

[Summertime]

Summer... Skeeter was talking about real life. I still feel you'd utilize a gauche offensively in combat as well as defensively, but I don't care to argue it any further (as I'm sure Skeets blue in the face too). But at least stay with the topic if you want to come out of left field...

Fair enough, but this discussion isn't about 'real world use' of a 'real world weapon', it's about the effectiveness of the weapon in question as a viable option for a TWC Paladin. It's real world effectiveness has absolutely no bearing on the subject.

[Skeeter]

yet that's where we kept hitting a snag. The whole discussion <too civil to be a true argument> came from me just finding crit weighting on a gauche odd.

I conceded that IG it's a viable weapon and CW would make it even tougher.

Myself <not my char> sees this and thinks... hmm I guess he doesn't know the history of a gauche.

And Celephais is right I think this discussion has ran it's course.

[Celephais]

Fair enough, but this discussion isn't about 'real world use' of a 'real world weapon', it's about the effectiveness of the weapon in question as a viable option for a TWC Paladin. It's real world effectiveness has absolutely no bearing on the subject.

That's funny, cause your response was quoting someone talking about the real world use...

[Sthrockmorton]

:deadhorse:

[Summertime]

Back to the actual issue...

Anyone know what happened to the gauche? (sigh)

[Daniel]

Why are some people douche bags? Who the fuck cares what it may or may not have been used for in real life at whatever time. I'd rather some pretty serious money that someone has been stabbed and killed by a "Main Gauche".

[Sthrockmorton]

:deadhorse:

for those visually impaired, that's a dead horse, stop beating it

and yes, people are douche bags

Wizards First Rule = People are Stupid

[Summertime]

Damn you Sthrockmorton!! Stop picking on that poor horsie!!! >_<

[hectomaner]

blah blah blah, bottom line is this. i still have it. it did not go with any of my characters that i sold. its sitting on a closed account. i don't know about me saying i'd sell it to you cheap. i was pretty fucking drunk 24/7 when you probably talked to me so i have no idea. i posted in another thread but i'm trying to resolve an issue with my credit card, when its fixed this week i can open the account and sell it. that is, if there is an offer that i like. 4x sancted, bonus from perfect forging, converted so its AS and not AvD, or the other way around i forget. switchable fire/vibe flares. etc etc etc.

i'll probably forget to check back here, so just email me again, you got my address

[Summertime]

Um.. oklidokly. I'll get back to you via E-mail... thanks

[Aethor]

So who owns hecto now and is hie for sale?

also looking for Zoddious halfdead the very first character i made froms cratch as a warrior, i know he is a paladin now, and that is about it.

[hectomaner]

oh god, why would you want to buy hectomaner? after what sean did with him that bought him from me.... i couldnt imagine playing him.

it would have been just as easy to start a bard and get him high up, but they had to go and nerf loresinging :(

anyway, summertime, hit me up on aim, i got a deal for you