Rune Staves

[Ben]

Whats up with them? how are they for wizards? I heard they sucked.

[Ansherak]

Just about to go pick one up, Re-allocated to them for maximum efficiency, so I'll let you know how that works out, or if the old standard still works better....

D-

[Ben]

I'm thinkin they are better for sorcerers.

[StrayRogue]

They provide less DS than the 1x weapon .5x shield route. They provide alot less than the 1x weapon 1x shield route which some people still are going (despite the cost). They are disarmable, and disarm will soon be a skill available to all. With the lack of DS alround, and with the push down from Ambush, I'd only choose to pick up a stave for character reasons only, NOT mechanics UNLESS I was going for a magical skill heavy character, such as the enchanting wizard.

[Ansherak]

Dunno Stray, I just took a bottom end Stave and was hunting with NO fear of any physical attacks, Warding still is an issue but thats a different subject all together.

Staves and a wizard work quite nicely, and this was hunting a critter almost 10 trains my senior.

Mana seems to be a larger issue though than it was even before.....Not quite sure what to do about that one.....MA for a mana battery? heh

D-

[Zentoph]

I got the 170k one down to 131k with 52 trading.. I'm still 40k short though ;d

[Xcalibur]

what about ds bolting with a staff?

[Ansherak]

Bolting is still as dangerous at the top end as it always was Xcalibur, get caught in offensive and it's going to hurt....alot.

Very few, (I didn't say all) Wizards bolt past about 80-90 trains, It's fairly deed intensive.

415 and 917 or generally the spells of choice, which gets awfully damn expensive on mana.

D-

Edited so I could say that 80-90 trains was based on GS3 levels! I guess its 65-70 trains in GS4?

[Edited on 11-21-2003 by Ansherak]

[Xcalibur]

I meant, does the staff help parrying/dodging any bolt attack, or it's like gs3's 2 handed weapon which doesn nothing to help against bolting?

[Ansherak]

Good question Xcalibur, I'll have to test that further, at the moment, I have no where to hunt that I can test for bolting attacks against me, testing against another player won't really give an accurate idea I don't think.

D-

[Moist Happenings]

I've done extensive stave testing. This is what i've found:

At Cap you'll have 60-70 less DS than a 1x 1x edged/shield user
That's if you double spells
Now if you 2.4x spells, and put your extra ranks into spell circles that give your DS spells boosts(Minor Elemental, and Spirit circle for sorcerers), then that DS loss is offset, and you only end up with a 20-30 DS loss. Plus, your spells are much stronger, last longer, and you have a lot more magic ranks than you would wasting time with weapon skills.

Now, I can't paste my skill list right now as a level 62 sorcerer, because i'm at work. But I will when I get home. But:

At level 62, I have:

(I'm doing this out of my head so it's probably not entirely correct)
12x magic skill ranks

Double harness power
Double spirit share
24 ranks of elemental share
80 ranks each of MIU and Arcane symbols

64 Sorcerer spells
59 MnE spells
30 Spirit Spells

I can hunt Illoke Shaman/Mystics (67/62) absolutely fine.

I have 271 mana and regenerate about 80 a pulse.

Sacrifice yields 80-90 mana
I have sign wracking, but never need to use it.

I have a 327 CS with 425 up.
313 or something with it down.

My DS is 50-100 out of their reach while i'm standing up in guarded stance.

With a roll of 1 on the illoke mystics/stone mastiffs, the mystics have a 2 fail, and the mastiffs have a 6 or 7, meaning I can't NOT hit them with my warding spells.

This testing was with a 5x runestaff(I believe this gives +25 DS to bolt DS, and +12 to physical)

At like-level bolt casting(and arrow shooting), I parried just about half of the bolts that were shot at me. As that casting/shooting turned to my level -10 I parried 4/5.

I like staves.

[Moist Happenings]

Also, anyone have a list of the runestaffs for sale and what enchant they are(if known?), I haven't had a chance to get in game yet and I won't until about 8 o'clock tonight.

[Moist Happenings]

Okay here's my sorcerer. I just hunted Illoke, started with 271 mana, sac'd one creature, didn't need to wrack, walked out fried from empty with 90 mana.

Gremblar (at level 62), your skill bonuses and ranks are:
Skill Name | Bonus Ranks Goals Time to Goal
Physical Fitness...................| 102 24 24
Arcane Symbols.....................| 164 64 64
Magic Item Use.....................| 164 64 64
Spell Aiming.......................| 164 64 64
Harness Power......................| 228 128 128
Elemental Mana Control.............| 164 64 64
Spirit Mana Control................| 188 88 88
Sorcerous Lore - Demonology........| 140 40 40
Sorcerous Lore - Necromancy........| 138 39 39
Climbing...........................| 90 20 20
Swimming...........................| 25 5 5

Spell Lists
Minor Elemental....................| 63 63
Minor Spirit.......................| 30 30
Sorcerer...........................| 64 64
Training Points: 2 Phy 0 Mnt

[Ben]

This is wizard forums.

[Ben]

Any WIZARDS feel like postin their trainin path?

[Meos]

Staves are workin out good for me so far

Meos (at level 48), your skill bonuses and ranks are:
Skill Name | Bonus Ranks Goals Time to Goal
Armor Use..........................| 50 10 10
Physical Fitness...................| 108 26 26
Arcane Symbols.....................| 150 50 50
Magic Item Use.....................| 150 50 50
Spell Aiming.......................| 200 100 100
Harness Power......................| 200 100 100
Elemental Mana Control.............| 150 50 50
Elemental Lore - Air...............| 30 6 6
Elemental Lore - Earth.............| 93 21 21
Elemental Lore - Fire..............| 93 21 21
Elemental Lore - Water.............| 30 6 6
Perception.........................| 150 50 50
Climbing...........................| 120 30 30
Swimming...........................| 50 10 10

Spell Lists
Major Elemental....................| 40 40
Minor Elemental....................| 40 40
Wizard.............................| 33 33
Training Points: 15 Phy 3 Mnt
>ingfo
Please rephrase that command.
>
Rasl just arrived.
>info
Jolena beams!
>
Name: Meos De'Magmortous Race: Human Profession: Wizard (shown as: Mage)
Gender: Male Age: 81 Expr: 2422920 Level: 48
Normal (Bonus) ... Enhanced (Bonus)
Strength (STR): 79 (19) ... 79 (19)
Constitution (CON): 54 (2) ... 54 (2)
Dexterity (DEX): 88 (19) ... 88 (19)
Agility (AGI): 80 (15) ... 80 (15)
Discipline (DIS): 91 (20) ... 91 (20)
Aura (AUR): 100 (25) ... 105 (27)
Logic (LOG): 81 (20) ... 86 (23)
Intuition (INT): 76 (18) ... 76 (18)
Wisdom (WIS): 87 (18) ... 87 (18)
Influence (INF): 87 (18) ... 87 (18)
Mana: 215 Silver: 0


[Edited on 11-22-2003 by Meos]

[Gan]

Originally posted by Neff
Also, anyone have a list of the runestaffs for sale and what enchant they are(if known?), I haven't had a chance to get in game yet and I won't until about 8 o'clock tonight.

http://www.play.net/gs4/info/armory/materials.asp

bottom of the page are the stave material listings and stats... no pricing though, it will help in purchasing the right make of stave if necessary... there were also some staves sold at Ebons Gate.

[Moist Happenings]

Originally posted by Ben
This is wizard forums.

Hey, wouldja look at that. Sorry. I just use the "Today's posts" list. I don't pay much attention to what forum stuff is in.