Claid-weighted greataxe

[Khariz]

Well, since all my other weapons have sold, much to my surprise, I'm going to have to pull this and keep it for myself. I surely can't go without any uber weapons! Thanks for the interest folks!

[Khariz]

Recovered from the page 2 monster. Bump.

[Michaelous]

can you post proof of the claid weighting?

[allen]

it's legit

[Khariz]

can you post proof of the claid weighting?

I did post proof.

That Nilandia entry is a copy and paste of the actual posting to the Gemstone.net forums by a Name in Red stating the properties of the Anfelt God Auction.

If a GM telling you the stats of an item isn't good enough, I can't help you.

I can also state that I have used the axe ad naseum, and that it's better than any claidhmore I've ever used in the crit weighting department.

I can generate logs of hits on plate class monsters if necessary, but the evidence is already present.

[Khariz]

Just a quick note:

The pricing of this axe recently came up in private messages, so let me make public what I said there:

The pricing of the axe is based on the price of a 3x old style claid (seeing as how both are +5, with a nice AvD), if it were to have a better AvD.

3x old styles are going for 30-40 mil right now.

4x old styles are going for 40-50 mil right now.

You may have your opinions on whether those are good prices, but I'm just the messenger.

The endroll you get from swinging this axe on all armor classes, chain and above, is superior to a 4x old style claid. The endroll on classes lower put it at in between a 3 and 4x old-style claid. +5 AS and the massive AvD of a greataxe, just make this an amazingly awesome weapon. That's without even taking into account that the Damage Factor on a waraxe assures that you not only get your juicy crits, but your flamboyantly juicy damage as well.

It's really just hard to beat this.

[Michaelous]

I did post proof.

That Nilandia entry is a copy and paste of the actual posting to the Gemstone.net forums by a Name in Red stating the properties of the Anfelt God Auction.

If a GM telling you the stats of an item isn't good enough, I can't help you.

I can also state that I have used the axe ad naseum, and that it's better than any claidhmore I've ever used in the crit weighting department.

I can generate logs of hits on plate class monsters if necessary, but the evidence is already present.


so incredibly crit weighting is equivalent to claidh weighting? I didnt see any dialouge of a gm saying it is claidh weighted on the website. What i got from the website is this


"a jagged-bladed glaes battle axe with an orc skull haft cap

- THW, battle axe base, 94/220, made from glaes, 1x, incredibly crit weighted"

[Drunken Durfin]

Incredible weighting is the highest level of weighting. Picking nits because someone calls it "claid weighting" instead of incredible is just silly.

[Khariz]

Before I purchased it, I was concerned about the same things.

Futtilo and I dicussed this with GM Stealth at different times (who claims he wants it for his own PC, and that he made the item himself), who in my discussion claimed that he made the axe unassessable to differentiate it between your every day incredible weighted items (haha, that sounds funny), and claidhmores. It's unassessable in the same manner as a real claid. This was a non-official discussion though.

In another non-official discussion with Khaladon, I mentioned that I got my hands on the the Anfelt twohander, and his response was "oh the 1x, claid weighted one". And I said yes.

In an official assist request, I was told that I would not be told the official mechnical statistics of the weapon, but that I should have faith the the item is unassessable for a reason, whatever that meant (I took it to mean that its really claid weighted).

Also, one the advice of someone, I think it was Tsin, the last time I sold an incredible weighted item, I had a premium member PCALC the amount of points it would take to enchant this. I don't have the exact numbers offhand, but it was approximately 2500-3000 points more than a 20 point incredible weighted item at had at the time. I'm not a weighting expert, and don't know exactly what that means, but at the time I took it as evidence that it was 40 point incredible weighted.

Allen was also keen to the information provided to Futtilo, which is, I'm sure, why he piped up in my support here.

[Lomoriond]

Incredible weighting is the highest level of weighting. Picking nits because someone calls it "claid weighting" instead of incredible is just silly.

It's not a matter of nit picking, because the two are NOT necessarily one in the same.

Incredible weighting is 25+ while claidh weighting is 40

A +25 weighted 1x axe would very much NOT be the same as a +40 weighted axe despite both being "incredibly" weighted... It's a very legitimate question to ask.

[Khariz]

It's not a matter of nit picking, because the two are NOT necessarily one in the same.

Incredible weighting is 25+ while claidh weighting is 40

A +25 weighted 1x axe would very much NOT be the same as a +40 weighted axe despite both being "incredibly" weighted... It's a very legitimate question to ask.

Indeed it is. Even though my post above offers only circumstantial evidence, I hope it helps.

[beer]

do you recall if the axe is treated as 1x or 3x for pcalc purposes? could make a big difference in the premium point cost to enchant the thing.

[Khariz]

Hmm, that I don't know. Sorry.

[Michaelous]

this applies to all so called "claidh weighted" weaponry, blashpemous!

[Khariz]

this applies to all so called "claidh weighted" weaponry, blashpemous!

Yes, but at least with this one, I at least have statments and some evidence that it is indeed claid-weighted.

[Warriorbird]

+25 is masterful +30+40 is generally incredible +40 is claidh

[Khariz]

+25 is masterful +30+40 is generally incredible +40 is claidh

Yep, and it's my understanding that this is +40. If someone can think of a way to prove this beyond a shadow of a doubt, I'll be glad to accomodate.

I'm convinced based on all the circumstantial evidence offered above though.

[Celephais]

I think the only way you could really prove it would be to just go massacre a ton of rats (with a low enough AS to provide lowish endrolls) and show an example where you produce a crit that would require 40 points of phantom crit weighting damage (if I understand things correctly). What with crit randomization this would be a huge pain in the ass, but I believe if you produced a rank 8 crit on a 101 endroll then you need 39+ points of crit weighting.

This is obviously a huge pain in the ass though.

[Drew]

Couldn't be a 101 endroll, need to at least do enough damage to activate a rank 1.

[Shabar Shabaz]

When I won it, I was told by the GM that it was claid weighing.

[Khariz]

When I won it, I was told by the GM that it was claid weighing.

Are you the Plat guy or the Prime guy? I asked Celery, who won it on Prime, and he told me claid weighted too.

Mighta been you if you are him.

I think that about solves it.

[beer]

pcalc will pretty much verify the weighting as well. just plug the estimate into the weighted weapon enchanting formula and solve for x.

pcalc cost = (2*x + final enchant)*100

so if it's claidh weighted, the pcalc should be around ~9000-10000 depending on whether it registers as 1x or 3x.

[Michaelous]

pcalc will pretty much verify the weighting as well. just plug the estimate into the weighted weapon enchanting formula and solve for x.

pcalc cost = (2*x + final enchant)*100

so if it's claidh weighted, the pcalc should be around ~9000-10000 depending on whether it registers as 1x or 3x.



i am almost 100% sure that any weapon other then a claidh, with "supposed" claidh weghting will not cost that much to enchant

[Michaelous]

pcalc will pretty much verify the weighting as well. just plug the estimate into the weighted weapon enchanting formula and solve for x.

pcalc cost = (2*x + final enchant)*100

so if it's claidh weighted, the pcalc should be around ~9000-10000 depending on whether it registers as 1x or 3x.



i am almost 100% sure that any weapon other then a claidh, with "supposed" claidh weghting will not cost that much to enchant

[beer]

i am almost 100% sure that any weapon other then a claidh, with "supposed" claidh weghting will not cost that much to enchant

final cost once a gm reviews the item and returns the scroll may be lower, but pcalc is automatic based on the weapon's stats from what i've seen. since weapons like this axe don't have 'claidhmore' in the description, pcalc will price them based on the standard weighted item enchanting formula.

[Khariz]

At any rate folks, the original owner of the weapon was told by a GM that it is claid weighted, I've had two GMs tell me the same, and all indications are that it is indeed claid weighted.

For the purposes of this sale, it is claid-weighted.

If I sell you this weapon, and you later determine beyond a shadow of a doubt that it was indeed NOT claid weighted, and prove this to me, we will work on a refund for the difference in the amount that you perceive to be fair.

All signs point to claid-weighted though, and that's what I'm calling it, as nobody has ever said otherwise (3 GMs, tests, PCALC, etc.).

[Khariz]

*** Price reduced to 40 million for all silvers offer or $520 (13 x 40) for all cash offer. Trades still need to be valued at 45. ***

[Khariz]

Well, since all my other weapons have sold, much to my surprise, I'm going to have to pull this and keep it for myself. I surely can't go without any uber weapons! Thanks for the interest folks!