New Diplomacy Game!

[Artha]

That's just usually when we all pass out, not sure about the legality of it.

[Sean of the Thread]

Ah I see. I was speaking about bar/club closing times.

[Artha]

House parties are the win because they don't have closing times, is what I was getting at :)

[TheEschaton]

Spring 1905 Retreats:

England:
F Lvp-Cly

I updated the Resolved map with this new map with the retreat, but not the moves map.

Fall 1905 moves are due Sunday at 11:59. Important move, folks!

-TheE-

[TheEschaton]

Errr, less than an hour left, still waiting for 3 of you, I believe....


....yup, 3.

-TheE-

[TheEschaton]

DUnno where France went off to, but he's idle this turn.

Fall 1905:

Turkey:
F Ank - Con
F Bla S Ank - Con
A Arm - Smy

Italy:
A Ven H
A Gre - Apu
F Ion C A Gre - Apu

Russia:
A Lvn - War
A Mos - Stp
F Sev H
F Rum S F Sev

England:
A Stp H
F Nwy S A Stp
F Bre-Gas
F Mao-Nao
F Nwg-Edi
F Cly-Lvp
A Wal S F Cly-Lvp

Austria-Hungary:
A Alb - Gre
A Ser S A Alb - Gre
A Bul S A Alb - Gre
F Aeg - Smy
A Nap H
A Rom - Ven
A Mun S A Sil - Ber
A Sil - Ber

Germany:
A Kie-Mun
A Ruh S A Kie-Mun
A Par S F Bre-Gas
A Pru-Sil
F Bal-Ber

Retreats due by 1 pm tomorrow from: Austria (from Mun), and France (from Lvp).

-TheE-

[TheEschaton]

maps updated.

[Sean of the Thread]

Mine were in plenty early again.


Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 20:26:06 -0700 (PDT)
From: "blackbelushi" <blackbelushi@yahoo.com> Add to Address BookAdd to Address Book Add Mobile Alert
Subject: France Fall 1905
To: "Alok Pinto" <alokpinto@gmail.com>
France
Fall 1905

F Nao-Iri
A Lvp-Yor
A Spa H

thx pal.

[TheEschaton]

Folks....

I just got Sean's EMail, and it is clearly dated 11:26. however, it most certainly was NOT in my mailbox last night at the deadline...what should we do?

[TheEschaton]

If i were to accept his orders, his army would have successfully moved to York, his fleet would have moved to the Irish sea, and England's fleet would have successfully moved to the North Atlantic Ocean. I'm inclined to accept his orders - but I can't really make a new map til I get Austria-Hungary's retreat. I'll just make his "retreat" this year to Yor, and then move things forward a year to get those other two moves in.

-TheE-

[Nieninque]

You can just use Edit mode to move things where you want them

[Nieninque]

Or you can Edit > Undo Resolve > then put his orders in.

You have to include them if he sent them before deadline.

[TheEschaton]

Edit, undo resolve, huh, I never knew about that.

I've accepted France's moves, and I've updated the maps.

Edit: Still need your retreat, Nein

[Parkbandit]

This is Backlash, I'll be attacking Neininque now.

[Sean of the Thread]

tee hee.

[Back]

Haw haw. You guys are relentless. AH already has Italy locked down due to my move blunders. Its only a matter of time before she has all my depots.

[Sean of the Thread]

Hey hottie!

[TheEschaton]

Since Nien did not submit a retreat order, I will move the unit to a province closest to one of her home depots. As there's two of these, I'm arbitrarily picking one. :P

Austria-Hungary:
A Mun-Boh

This leaves Germany with two builds, and Italy with one disband.

Maps updated.

-TheE-

[TheEschaton]

I've gotten a question about whether a lack of retreat order should be an official disband. There's no rules about this (because they assume you're playing live and can just instantaneously write down a retreat), so I thought about it logically.

When a unit retreats, it retreats under two conditions - having lost a supply center, and having not lost a supply center. If it has not lost a supply center, I feel like disbanding on a retreat would argue that a person could just rebuild on the Build that winter (because they'd still have the same number of supplies, but one less unit). Some may even argue this would be unfair, to disband a possibly lone, rogue unit to consolidate defenses in the homeland.

If a supply center is lost on a retreat, a unit will still be disbanded. If a disband is not submitted, then the GM disbands the furthest unit from home, which very well might be the retreating unit. However, I don't see why I should force their disband to be the retreating unit, if they don't offer a retreat.

This is, of course, only in light of the Fall turn present situation we have presented here. Spring would be a much stickier wicket.

IOW: TURN YOUR MOVES IN ON TIME.

I'm a bit drunk, so I don't know that I'm gonna update builds before the morning. Don't worry, I'll be up at 6 anyways. Gotta be in court at 8. Yay.

-TheE-

[Nieninque]

That's BS
If there are no orders for a retreating unit, it is a disband

You are making shit up as you are going along now.

[Nieninque]

I've gotten a question about whether a lack of retreat order should be an official disband. There's no rules about this (because they assume you're playing live and can just instantaneously write down a retreat), so I thought about it logically.

You thought about it logically, but the most logical thing would be reading the rules, where it IS covered.

Page 17 of the rules.


4. RETREAT AND DISBANDING PHASE

Disbandment (bottom paragraph for those who have trouble with following simple instructions)

If two or more units are ordered to retreat to the same province, they must all be disbanded. If a player fails to order a retreat when necessary, the unit is disbanded. A unit can always voluntarily disband instead of retreating.

I would appreciate it if my army that needs to retreat from Munich could now be disbanded, I have already sent my build orders through.

Thank you very much.

[Sean of the Thread]

Pwnt.

[TheEschaton]

Ooops. Please, in the future, instead of sending a build order with no explanation, well before the retreats are due, when I'm expecting a retreat, it would be nice if you would explain what the hell it is you're doing. I'm not a mind reader, as far as I knew, you didn't realize the loss of Munich offset the gain of Greece.

Sorry for the mistake folks, I was in work from 8 til 6:00, and was meeting my parents for dinner at 6:45 uptown, so I only had time to peruse the rules very summarily while I was changing and dropping off my drycleaning, etc.

maps are updated, including the apparently wholly legal move to allow a retreating unit to disband and rebuild in the homelands.


Winter 1905:
Builds:

Germany:
B A Kie
B A Ber

Austria-Hungary:
B A Tri

Disbands:

Italy:
Disband A Apu

-TheE-

[Nieninque]

:)

[Nieninque]

I've gotten a question about whether a lack of retreat order should be an official disband.

That was my favourite part...I wonder who that could have been?

:whistle:


Ooops. Please, in the future, instead of sending a build order with no explanation, well before the retreats are due, when I'm expecting a retreat, it would be nice if you would explain what the hell it is you're doing. I'm not a mind reader, as far as I knew, you didn't realize the loss of Munich offset the gain of Greece.

I guess my point is that it isnt for you to question people's motivation or understanding of what the consequences of each particular move is for them. As with the issue of interpreting mistakes and correcting them, responsibility for that lies with the player, not with the GM. I sent you orders for the build phase, clearly marked as builds rather than retreats. The clue, I guess would have been in jDip where you would have seen the army disbanded when it didnt retreat.

I know it's nice for you to know what the plan is with different moves or strats, but IMO, if you want to figure that out, you are welcome to do so, our job is just to send the orders to you (or not) and that's as much as we have to do. I knew what I was doing, and if I didnt, I suffer the consequences.

As much as I was pissed off when Xandalf discarded all my orders one move last game, I was pissed off with myself, not him (although the odd curse may have slipped out).

[TheEschaton]

Two hours til moves due.

[TheEschaton]

In a time when previous wars may have ended, war in Europe this time rages full scale. Germany seems to be ready to strike for the soft underbelly of the Russo-Austrian alliance, and England takes further steps to expel the stinky French from their native soil.. Turkey takes a defensive posture and loses its capital, while Italy....well, who the hell knows what Italy is doing...meanwhile, a stupid move by the Russians cost them the Black Sea.

Spring 1906:

England:
A Stp S A Kie-Lvn
F Nwy-Nth
F Nao-Mao
F Gas S F Nao-Mao
F Lvp-Iri
F Edi-Yor
A Wal S F Edi-Yor

Germany:
A Kie-Lvn
F Bal C A Kie-Lvn
A Pru S A Kie-Lvn
A Ruh S A Mun
A Par-Bur
A Ber-Sil
A Mun S A Ber-Sil

Italy:
F ion - Tys
A Ven - Pie

Russia:
F Rum - Bla
F Sev S F Rum - Bla
A Mos - Stp
A War H

Austria-Hungary:
F Aeg - Con
A Bul S F Aeg - Con
A Tri - Ven
A Rom S A Tri - Ven
A Sil - Boh
A Gre H
A Nap H
A Ser - Tri

France:
F IRI-ENG
A SPA H
A YOR-WAL

Turkey:
A Arm - Sev
F Con - Smy
F Bla - Bul

Retreats due tomorrow at 11:59 pm from France retreating from YOR.

Maps updated.

-TheE-

[Sean of the Thread]

Oui Oui! The stinky French are very pleased.

[Atlanteax]

Russia is done.

[Nieninque]

meanwhile, a stupid move by the Russians cost them the Black Sea.
If he'd attacked with his other fleet, he would have won the Black Sea and lost Sev...that would have been more stupid IMO.

[TheEschaton]

A temporary situation which wouldn't have lasted past the Fall turn, unless of course, Russia's seemingly solid alliance with Austria-Hungary was not strong enough to trust A-H enough to leave Rum unoccupied.

-TheE-

[Nieninque]

How do you think he would have managed to take it back? It would have been 2v2...all Stun would have had to do would have been to retreat his fleet to Arm and then in the fall move he could have just supported for a 2v2 standoff.

Like I said, doing it any way other than he had done would have been the stupid move.

p.s. He has no reason to distrust me.
I have had ample opportunities to screw him over and didnt.

[Atlanteax]

It's moot anyways.

Germany (with some English assistance) will have Moscow and Warsaw at the end of Fall... and Marsielles as well.

Russia unlikely will last long after that (no armies). Prospects are not good for Turkey (suffered another coin-flip decison that went the other way), and Italy may be resigned to roaming the Mediterrean with a rogue fleet.

Austria-Hungry will need to consolidate gains in Turkey (or try to quickly finish off) to avoid a 2-front situation when turning to counter/contain the surging Germany. A-H did impressively for a 3-front situation, but as was seen, her departure from the north to finish Italy and attack Turkey left the door open for Germany to regain Munich and surge into Russia proper.

The loss of Russia as a viable ally is going to hurt A-H when facing coordinated English-German forces, even with a hold on Italy and inroads into Turkey. A-H may need to arrange for the last two Russian territories before the Germans or Turks (in a last gasp) take them ... to improve the odds of prevailing against the Anglo-Saxon alliance.

.

As for myself, I also had a couple of coin-flip decisions that went the other way (but was not as crippling for me as it was for Turkey). Such as missing out on an opportunity to capture Portugal (twice?).

I will probably just have to wait it out a bit more, with the German capture of Marsielles making it a lot easier to resolve the convulted situation in England proper (another French disband).

.

I will be satisfied with an Anglo-Saxon (England & Germany alliance) victory by the end of June. The former with the seas and the west, and the later with the interior and the east.

The English Crown will be looking forward to holding a reception in the Kaiser's honor (as the trust and respect has only grown with close consultation the past several years).

(otherwise, the game would only drag out for another month, if not longer, if one of us attempted to go for the solo win ... although the momentum is decisively in Germany's favor at this point ... however, I'd like to think that England preoccupying France and control of the Russian north made it a lot easier for the recent German resurgence).

[Sean of the Thread]

France's main goal has been to cause chaos and tie up as much of England's forces as possible. :)

[Atlanteax]

France's main goal has been to cause chaos and tie up as much of England's forces as possible. :)

And you were successful with that the last two years.

[Sean of the Thread]

I know.

[Atlanteax]

I know.

I wasn't sure if you knew. :)

[TheEschaton]

Spring 1906 retreats:

France:
A Yor-Edi

This move fails, as a unit cannot retreat to the province where the unit which dislodged it came from. And I KNOW this one is in the rules (plus jDip doesn't recognize it). Therefore, as there is no working order for this unit:

A Yor disbands

updated the second map with resolved retreats...Fall 1906 moves due thursday night at 11:59 pm. I believe this is the turn Turkey won on, last game.

-TheE-

[Atlanteax]

Sweet... :)

[Stunseed]

I know I'm the one who holds everyone up, but did I miss something as far as orders being due tonight?

[Nieninque]

Need teh updates.

Im going out for the day and need to know whether I have to put retreat orders in :S

[TheEschaton]

3 of you missed handing in moves. Now, I don't know if this is because GMail hasn't received EMails yet, but I don't know what's up when almost half of you don't turn in moves.

BEcause I don't know if these EMails have been lost, like before (and from some of the same people), I'm willing to extend the deadline for moves to tonight (Friday), and using our "off day" to catch up, if it's generally okay by the majority. If it's not, I'll just use the set of moves I have, we'll push retreats off til tonight, and builds/disbands til tomorrow night. Chime in folks.

If I don't respond to your moves in the next 3 minutes, assume I haven't gotten them.

-TheE-

[Back]

I totally forgot! rofl

[Atlanteax]

I suppose it is best to make the moves deadline tonight, and the retreat/build deadline Sat night.

My moves were recieved, but it's best for the game if we delay a day if there's something up with GMail.

.

However, if the others just did not submit orders, I'm fine with proceeding and assuming their militaries were in chaos for the turn.

[Nieninque]

Im ok with delaying the update, but not extending the deadline for moves.
If moves werent received because of The E's dodgy email, that's one thing, but if they didnt send them in, they shouldnt get a second chance.

[TheEschaton]

Welll, usually what happened is that these dodgy EMails would arrive, say, 9 am or 10 am, but be dated at 11:26 or something the previous night, letting me know that's when it was actually sent. That hasn't happened, and since it's now 17 hours after the deadline, I'm incliined to go with the four I received on time.

So that's what I'll do.

-TheE-

[TheEschaton]

The name of this update is: Russia is FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCKED.

Fall 1906:

Turkey:
F Bla - Sev
A Arm S Bla - Sev
F Smy - Con

England:
A Stp S A Lvn-Mos
F Nth-Bel
F Yor-Lon
A Wal-Spa
F Iri C A Wal-Spa
F Mao C A Wal-Spa
F Gas S A Wal-Spa

Germany:
A Lvn - Mos
A Sil - War
A Pru S A Sil - War
A Mun - Tyr
A Ruh - Mun
F Bal Hold
A Bur - Mar

Austria-Hungary:
A Boh - Sil
A Tri - Tyr
A Ven S A Tri - Tyr
A Gre - Ser
A Bul S F Con
F Con S F Rum - Bla
A Rom H
A Nap H

Sev fleet is disbanded due to a lack of a place to retreat to. Retreats are due from France (SPA), and Russia (MOS, WAR).

Tough luck, Artha - lost three depots in one swift decapitation move. Ouch.

Maps are updated.

-TheE-

[TheEschaton]

Oh, and if I read correctly, England might be interested in declaring a win by alliance with Germany. They both now have a combined 18 supply depots. If Germany and England both post their intentions here as to desiring victory by alliance - they win.

If they want to man up, maybe, and make this game interesting....well then, who'd be stopping them?

-TheE-

[TheEschaton]

As no one submitted disbands, Russia's units in MOS and WAR are disbanded, as is France's in SPA.

Builds due:
Austria - 2
England - 2
Germany - 2

Disbands due:
Italy - 1

By midnight tonight.

-TheE-

[TheEschaton]

map updated - does anyone know what happened to Artha and Sean? It's unusual for them to not be around.

[Atlanteax]

Winter 1906 English Build Orders

A Lvp
A Edi

[Nieninque]

So what's going on with this?

[TheEschaton]

It's coming, I had a trainwreck of an evening last night.


Builds:

England:
A Lvp
A Edi

A-H:
B A Vie
B A Bud

Germany:
B A Kie
B A Ber

Disbands:
Italy:
Disband A Pie

Maps'll be updated in a second.

[TheEschaton]

maps updated. Dunno why the little Xs show up in England's builds, but they went through. Maybe cause I had to undo the resolve because I forgot Atl posted his builds here.

Edit: Oh, and there's a new schedule up too. Don't know that we'll need the full two weeks to finish this game up, though.

-TheE-

[Izalude]

Kaiser Wilhelm II issued the following from his headquarters in Berlin:

As heard in Germany:

Im Auftrag unserer angelsächsischen Verbindung, zusammen mit unseren englischen Verbündeten, fordern wir Sieg in Europa.

Es ist von Herzen gern, dass wir die Slawen im Osten, sowie dem Franks im Westen unterjocht haben. Unser geschätzter Verbündeter England hat diese großen Siege möglich durch das Helfen gemacht, hält Frankreich besetzt, während wir Osten tief ins vorige russische Territorium stießen. Wir könnten nicht um einen besseren Verbündeten gebeten haben.

Während wir zugeben, dass das Österreich-Ungarn zu unserem Süden noch eine Drohung ist, glauben wir in kommenden Jahren, mit denen sie von ihrem Willen verhungert werden, um durch die unzerbrechliche militärische Wand zu kämpfen, die wir einsetzen, um sie vom drängenden weiteren Norden, sowie den schließlichen englischen Blockaden in Mittelmeer abzuschneiden.

Helga das abscheuliche wird außer der Macht am Ende des Jahrzehnts sein.

Glückwünsche zu allen englischen und deutschen Völkern. Kann die angelsächsische Verbindung, für die Ewigkeit gedeihen.
===================
In Russia:

От имени нашего англосаксонского союза, наряду с нашими английскими Союзниками, мы требуем победы в Европе.

С большим удовольствием, что мы поработили славян на востоке, так же как Franks на западе. Наш уважаемый союзник Англия сделала эти большие победы возможными помощью, держит Францию занятой, в то время как мы выдвинули восток глубоко в прежнюю российскую территорию. Мы, возможно, не спросили лучшего союзника.

В то время как мы признаем, что Австро-Венгрия на наш юг - все еще угроза, мы верим в последующие годы, с которыми их будут морить голодом из их желания, чтобы бороться небьющейся военной стеной, которую мы устанавливаем, чтобы отключить их с приливающего дальнейшего севера, так же как возможных английских блокад в Средиземноморье.

Helga отвратительное будет вне власти к концу десятилетия.

Поздравления ко всем английским и немецким народам. Может англосаксонский союз процветать для вечности!

======================
The address in France:
De la part de notre alliance Anglo-saxonne, avec nos Alliés anglais, nous réclamons la victoire en Europe.

Il est avec plaisir que nous avons subjugué les slaves à l'est, aussi bien que le Franks à l'ouest. Notre allié estimé l'Angleterre a rendu ces grandes victoires possibles par l'aide garde la France occupée, pendant que nous avons poussé l'est profondément dans l'ancien territoire russe. Nous ne pourrions pas avoir demandé un meilleur allié.

Pendant que nous reconnaissons que l'Autriche-Hongrie à notre sud est toujours une menace, nous croyons dans les années à venir contre lesquelles ils seront privés de leur volonté pour lutter par le mur militaire incassable que nous établissons pour les couper du nord montant de plus, aussi bien que les blocus anglais éventuels dans la Méditerranée.

Helga le hideux sera hors du pouvoir vers la fin de la décade.

Félicitations à tous les gens anglais et allemands. Peut l'alliance Anglo-saxonne prospérer pour l'éternité!
============================
And finally as heard in England:

On behalf of our Anglo-Saxon alliance, along with our English Allies, we claim victory in Europe.

It is with great pleasure that we've subjugated the slavs in the east, as well as the Franks in the west. Our esteemed ally England have made these great victories possible by helping keep France occupied, while we pushed east deep into former Russian territory. We could not have asked for a better ally.

While we admit that Austria-Hungary to our south is still a threat, we believe in years to come they will be starved of their will to fight by the unbreakable military wall we're establishing to cut them off from surging further north, as well as the eventual English blockades in the Mediterranean.

Helga the hideous will be out of power by the end of the decade.

Congratulations to all English and German peoples. May the Anglo-Saxon alliance prosper for eternity!

[Artha]

Good game, guys. It was fun and interesting.

[Sean of the Thread]

What happened to my thursday night moves?

[Back]

Congrats England/Germany!

gg

[TheEschaton]

You never submitted them. I even waited like 15 hours for them to show up late, but they didn't.

GG guys.

[Nieninque]

Less of the hideous...you cheeky focker.

These warts will go in time!

GG guys...was fun :)

[Atlanteax]

So... are we doing another game?

Someone else's turn to be GM?

[Sean of the Thread]

Yeah someone else with a working email.

[TheEschaton]

GMail is the most powerful EMail program there is, maybe it's time to switch from yahoo. ;)

Oh, and I'm in, if someone wants to GM.

[Nieninque]

I'm gonna sit this one out.

[Sean of the Thread]

GMail is the most powerful EMail program there is, maybe it's time to switch from yahoo. ;)

Oh, and I'm in, if someone wants to GM.

The most powerful email that flubbed 3 of my turns! OF course on the flip side it may be my yahoo mail...

[Sean of the Thread]

And I'm sitting this one out as well. Not enough timo.

[Atlanteax]

I'll GM if we have the players.

[TheEschaton]

No one else sent from Yahoo, and I got everyone else's EMails.

-TheE-

[Xandalf]

Anyone else want to get another game together?

Atlanteax - you still down to GM?

[Skeeter]

depending on when it starts. I'll have to assess my amount of free time.

[Izalude]

I'm in.

[TheEschaton]

I'm in, but not to GM. And starting in January.