Questions

[Drisco]

Do you even need to train in Transformation or will it go down on its own as you get older?

Does manipulation help that mutch for boneshatter?

Is 3x First Aid worth it?



Also Ive alwayse wondered about this. I am 3x in first aid and at level 21 I tried to tend somones wound and it was like 60 rt or something. Isnt FA the main skill for tending wounds?

Thanks.

[Martaigne]

Yes, but it's skill vs. the size of the bleeder. Do you know how many points per round the bleeder was? Tripled at 21 is a max of what, 69 ranks? That's not a whole lot in the grand scheme of things.

[Bobmuhthol]

If you're a serious healer, you should try as hard as you can to 1x transformation lore. If you hunt at all, and don't care about heal RT, it's not necessary, but your RT goes down like 1 every 4 (levels + transformation ranks), so when you eliminate transformation it's pretty high.

[Drisco]

How many ranks is it to have no RT for any healing or scars?

[AestheticDeath]

I dont know the formula but you wont be able to get rid of it at your age.

Your better off using herbs. Or getting heal downs from other empaths.

[Latrinsorm]

Transformation lore isn't necessary.

Zaaf > Mayzra

[StrayRogue]

Yeah, go for 3x FA and use herbs for scars. It will be quicker. Manip lore helps BS at lower levels, but means nothing at high level.

This is my empath at level 60:
Armor Use..........................| 40 8
Shield Use.........................| 162 62
Brawling...........................| 168 68
Physical Fitness...................| 102 24
Arcane Symbols.....................| 105 25
Magic Item Use.....................| 105 25
Harness Power......................| 224 124
Spirit Mana Control................| 102 24
Mental Lore - Manipulation.........| 25 5
Mental Lore - Transformation.......| 150 50
Survival...........................| 162 62
Perception.........................| 162 62
Climbing...........................| 120 30
Swimming...........................| 105 25
First Aid..........................| 224 124

Spell Lists
Major Spirit.......................| 25

Spell Lists
Minor Spirit.......................| 31

Spell Lists
Empath.............................| 81

Rank 2 scars have an rt of 12 - 13 seconds. Rank 1 had a hard rt of 2.

I previously had 60 ranks of manip lore. I lost about 10 seconds of scar rt by getting some transformation lore.

[Bobmuhthol]

<<How many ranks is it to have no RT for any healing or scars?>>

I don't remember if you can do it before cap or not, but.. it's a lot.

[Drisco]

so around 102 ranks I would have no rt for level 2 scars or anythign else?

[TheEschaton]

Had a friend test this out with me. Level 91 empath, 134 empath ranks, NO transformation lore at all. Rank 2 eye wound (highest wound/scar spells necessary). No time for healing the wounds, 15 for the rank 2 scar, 5 for the rank 1 scar:

>incant 1105
You concentrate while murmuring the simple, mystical chant for Organ Repair...
Your spell is ready.
You gesture.
Your right eye feels better.
Cast Roundtime 3 Seconds.
(Forcing stance down to guarded)
>incant 1105
You concentrate while murmuring the simple, mystical chant for Organ Repair...
Your spell is ready.
You gesture.
Your right eye feels better.
Cast Roundtime 3 Seconds.
>
>incant 1114
You concentrate while murmuring the simple, mystical chant for Organ Scar Repair...
Your spell is ready.
You gesture.
Your right eye feels better.
Roundtime: 15 sec.
Cast Roundtime 3 Seconds.
>
>incant 1114
You concentrate while murmuring the simple, mystical chant for Organ Scar Repair...
Your spell is ready.
You gesture.
Your right eye feels better.
Roundtime: 5 sec.
Cast Roundtime 3 Seconds.

[Drisco]

Perfect

[TheEschaton]

so, basically, 53 less ranks of Empath circle, and 50 MORE ranks of Transformation lore, took off 3 seconds of RT from what my friend had.

-TheE-

[Bobmuhthol]

Except for the fact that 50 ranks of transformation lore is a minimum of 12 seconds less RT.

[TheEschaton]

Well, my friend had 31 levels on the 60th train empath on the first page.

[Bobmuhthol]

That confused the shit out of me because this is still the first page. I have 200 posts/page.

But anyway, healing RT I'm pretty sure depends on only two factors: level and transformation lore ranks, and they're weighted equally. X transformation ranks is the same RT reduction for everyone (there's a break somewhere that I forget but at some point it goes from 4 per -RT to 3 per -RT or maybe the other way around).

[Drisco]

4 per - RT In Carabele's Lore Benifits

[Gan]

48 ranks of Transformation at cap will eliminate all RT from healing down scars.

[Meges]

(at level 56), your current skill bonuses and ranks (including all modifiers) are:
Skill Name | Current Current
| Bonus Ranks
Physical Fitness...................| 158 58
Arcane Symbols.....................| 120 30
Magic Item Use.....................| 120 30
Harness Power......................| 216 116
Elemental Mana Control.............| 120 30
Mental Mana Control................| 120 30
Spirit Mana Control................| 120 30
Mental Lore - Transformation.......| 205 105
Climbing...........................| 90 20
Swimming...........................| 105 25
First Aid..........................| 158 58
Spell Lists
Major Spirit.......................| 50
Spell Lists
Minor Spirit.......................| 40
Spell Lists
Empath.............................| 40
Training Points: 128 Phy 0 Mnt (2082 Phy converted to Mnt)
PsiNet has recorded your current skills.
(Use SKILLS BASE to display unmodified ranks and goals)
29 days remain until the annual FIXSKILLS is to be granted, on 05/20/2007.
Your 30 day migration period will begin when you choose to degrade a skill.
Further information can be found in SKILL FAQS.

This is strictly my healing empath and she has absolutely no RT on any type of heal down. My older empath has no RT either, but I guess his age allows for a bit less Transformation Lore. He hunts as well and is not as specialized as the one listed above.


Meges

[Drisco]

Hmm now is Manip 1x worth it cause I use to remeber that just having 1 rank was the same as having 100... Or so I was told.

Would it be possible to see some older Empaths skills and stats? Pure Healer Pure Hunter and Weapons. Thanks

[StrayRogue]

1x manip lore is worth only if you're sub-50. After that it's a points sink. I have 5 ranks and do as much damage as when I had 50 ranks.

[Gan]

Would it be possible to see some older Empaths skills and stats? Pure Healer Pure Hunter and Weapons. Thanks

Jaken (at level 100), your current skill bonuses and ranks (including all modifiers) are:
Skill Name | Current Current
| Bonus Ranks
Armor Use..........................| 130 35
Shield Use.........................| 201 101
Combat Maneuvers...................| 120 30
Brawling...........................| 201 101
Physical Fitness...................| 126 33
Arcane Symbols.....................| 90 20
Magic Item Use.....................| 90 20
Spell Aiming.......................| 302 202
Harness Power......................| 302 202
Elemental Mana Control.............| 120 30
Spirit Mana Control................| 120 30
Spiritual Lore - Summoning.........| 15 3
Mental Lore - Divination...........| 15 3
Mental Lore - Manipulation.........| 50 10
Mental Lore - Telepathy............| 90 20
Mental Lore - Transformation.......| 148 48
Perception.........................| 200 100
Climbing...........................| 120 30
Swimming...........................| 120 30
First Aid..........................| 365 265
Trading............................| 201 101
Spell Lists
Major Spirit.......................| 25
Spell Lists
Minor Spirit.......................| 40
Spell Lists
Empath.............................| 151
Training Points: 9 Phy 0 Mnt (450 Phy converted to Mnt)

Jaken, your Combat Maneuver training is as follows:
Skill name Mnemonic Ranks
Dirtkick dirtkick 4
Available Combat Maneuver Training Points: 2

Name: Jaken O'Grady Race: Sylvankind Profession: Empath (shown as: Physician)
Gender: Male Age: 34 Expr: 9459804 Level: 100
Normal (Bonus) ... Enhanced (Bonus)
Strength (STR): 100 (25) ... 100 (25)
Constitution (CON): 100 (25) ... 100 (25)
Dexterity (DEX): 97 (33) ... 97 (33)
Agility (AGI): 100 (30) ... 100 (30)
Discipline (DIS): 98 (19) ... 98 (19)
Aura (AUR): 78 (19) ... 78 (19)
Logic (LOG): 82 (16) ... 82 (16)
Intuition (INT): 100 (25) ... 100 (25)
Wisdom (WIS): 100 (25) ... 100 (25)
Influence (INF): 100 (25) ... 100 (25)
Mana: 409 Silver: 182

[Flurbins]

1x manip lore is worth only if you're over-30. Before that it's a points sink. I have 1 rank and do more damage than when I had 1x ranks.

[StrayRogue]

Your BS will do little to no damage without manip lore, unless you're old.

[Drisco]

So at level 100 Having no manip lore you will have a powerful BS?

[Artha]

At level 100 you only need 1 rank.

[Snapp]

I noticed you don't have 240, Ganalon. Do you not think the spell is worth it? I'm at a crossroads right now on my spell circles and wasn't sure if 240 was any good or not.

[Gan]

Its a cool spell, I've seen it in action; however, I've heard the rt that it induces is on the schedule to be nerfed so I would rather sink the TP's into 1100 circle. Especially with the changes to web.

My primary spells are 1106, 1110, 111 for attack. I am shield brawl and redoing voln as we speak for voln fu. 111 flares are outstanding when casting with multiple critters in the room. Eventually I'll get 240, but for now I would rather have the benefit to CS and DS by adding more ranks in 1100's.

[AestheticDeath]

You don't need any ranks in manipulation lore. At least not at cap.

The empath I have right now kills most anything in 1-2 casts. She has no manipulation lore.

She has 48 ranks of transformation to get zero RT on scars.

[Gan]

I've heard of the only needing 1 rank of manip lore for 1106. However, I've also heard that this is going to be 'tweaked' in the future. So I threw in 10 ranks just for future investment purposes.

[Flurbins]

Your BS will do little to no damage without manip lore, unless you're old.


That's an outright lie. Change "manip lore" to "heavy overtraining in empath circle" to make it true.

[Drisco]

Empaths pwn n e ways regardless of BS were tough as fuck.

[StrayRogue]

That's an outright lie. Change "manip lore" to "heavy overtraining in empath circle" to make it true.

Which most young empaths cannot do, doh. Unless you plan to channel you need manip lore. You need 1 rank regardless of level.

Yes at cap you only need one or two ranks. Gob knows for sure, though I do recall pwning a bunch of other empath's around here months ago telling them that they wasting their points on the skill.

[GS4Khistian]

Which most young empaths cannot do, doh. Unless you plan to channel you need manip lore. You need 1 rank regardless of level.

Yes at cap you only need one or two ranks. Gob knows for sure, though I do recall pwning a bunch of other empath's around here months ago telling them that they wasting their points on the skill.

I'm pretty sure they changed this recently so no manip lore is required to have a decent shatter. I for one haven't noticed a change since dropping the rank.

[StrayRogue]

Possibly. If I can be bothered I'll try later.

[Drisco]

Is there any way to lower the rt of Spirit Guide? (130)

[StrayRogue]

Gain levels.

[Gan]

Is there any way to lower the rt of Spirit Guide? (130)

Even at cap I'm hit with 60 sec rt then again with another 40+ sec rt on occasion. Its never consistent, sometimes I'll fog halfway across the region and get less than 10 seconds rt and sometimes I'll fog to the nearest node and get nailed with over a minute. Bottom line it sucks and seems to be completely random, as much as the location of where you land is.

One thing I have noticed is if two people fog at the same time in the same region, they tend to land at the same 130 node destination. Its almost as if its a regional randomizer that shifts location every x-seconds. So if I were to 130 at the same time someone else in the same region 130's, then we usually both land at the same spot.

[Drisco]

Ahh heh ok was just wondering if maybe overtraining in minor spirit would lower it.

[mgoddess]

One thing I have noticed is if two people fog at the same time in the same region, they tend to land at the same 130 node destination. Its almost as if its a regional randomizer that shifts location every x-seconds. So if I were to 130 at the same time someone else in the same region 130's, then we usually both land at the same spot.

This would make sense... the IFW teleport devices have the same randomizer thing for where people land on the Isle.