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[StrayRogue]

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Thought this time round I'd go priest. With the new talents and spells, I was wondering whether or not shadow spec is useful for raids in the endgame. Or are they just heal monkeys as usual?

[Bobmuhthol]

Be a holy priest on Rexxar and heal me all the time!

[Nieninque]

Shadow priests are useful in raids. In limited numbers though.

Still the same problems with finding healers though, which is probably the biggest barriers to playing a hybrid in a raid.

[Tsa`ah]

Shadow priests offer 3 benefits to a raid that are really contingent on the raid's class structure.

Continuous rolling HoT with embrace (imp). It's helpful, but it doesn't really have all that much impact on a healer's mana reserve unless you're paired with a tree.

Shadow weaving. Bumps up your damage but is doesn't have that much of a damage impact unless you're paired with locks.

Mana regen. On standard trash pulls, you're not going to be able to get any number of mobs dotted up with embrace, touch and SW:P to have any real impact on your fellow caster's mana bar. Most trash is half to 2/3 gone before you can start doing damage if you're using touch ... it's really only beneficial on boss fights.

Shadow priests aren't going be able to put out the damage a standard DPS class can and most of the healing is over healing since standard healers never keep in mind that everyone getting healed via embrace ... so they'll heal a non tank and go back to the tank .. pretty much negating any utility benefit you can bring to the raid before boss encounters.

Gear wise it's always a fight in a raid if you're a shadow priest as most cloth spell damage gear goes to mages and locks first ... and going into a raid with 400-500 general spell damage isn't going to do the raid much good.

If you want a real utility impact and respectable damage output ... grab shadow wrath and nightmare gear. Your crit will suck ... as will your mana regen/bar and total stam ... but shadow priests only deal shadow damage. If you're doing some heavy crits in general damage gear, well you're going to be an aggro magnet. If you stick to shadow damage, your flay and SWP will do enough damage to keep you above the middle area of the dps meters ... plus you're pumping out more healing with embrace and more mana with touch on boss fights.

[Parkbandit]

Shadow priests are great for raids.. but unless you have a dedicated healer during 5 man heroics, you are screwed.

Best 5 man imo:

Warrior - prot spec
Shaman - resto spec
Priest - Shadow Spec
Mage - Nuclear Spec
Hunter - Overpowered Spec

[Tsa`ah]

Change shaman to tree druid and you are correct.

[Sean of the Thread]

Change shaman to tree druid and you are correct.

Agreed. I'm sure it was a before coffee mistake.

[Parkbandit]

Agreed. I'm sure it was a before coffee mistake.

Wraith of air totem says FUCK YOU. YOU LOSE!

[Tsa`ah]

Wraith of air totem says FUCK YOU. YOU LOSE!

That's very contingent on how well the shaman can manage totems. I've run enough 5 mans as a shadow priest to know that shaman remember to drop specific totems like I remember to refresh TSA as a hunter.

In your group makeup, there are really only 2 classes that will benefit from wrath of air ... the priest and mage. The hunter gets negligible returns on stings and arcane shot from it and group as a whole could probably benefit more from the hunter making use of an agi totem.

If the hunter were replaced with another dps caster ... ya ... but with a tree druid, he can essentially be on auto follow and only really need to be attentive on boss fights and pulls of 5 or more.

[DeV]

That's very contingent on how well the shaman can manage totems. This bears repeating. Over and over again in fact.

I've grouped with more resto Shaman who can't manage their totems than ones who can and it's beyond frustrating. And when I say can't manage some just don't even bother to drop them half the time, even when their running low on mana and have NO other water totems dropped, wtf. I'd take a resto Druid over a Shaman any 5-man unless his rep for healing precedes him.

[Tea & Strumpets]

Why you dirty, shaman-hating bastards...

[CrystalTears]

Speaking of bad healing rep preceeding shamans...

:D

[Drew2]

... but with a tree druid, he can essentially be on auto follow and only really need to be attentive on boss fights and pulls of 5 or more.

Haha, during the short time I was Resto (snore), that's all I did basically. Druid healing is OP.

[Parkbandit]

That's very contingent on how well the shaman can manage totems. I've run enough 5 mans as a shadow priest to know that shaman remember to drop specific totems like I remember to refresh TSA as a hunter.



Way to throw Dar under the bus.

Asshole

[Tsa`ah]

Oh please ... Dar was already passed out under the bus.

He's Irish you know.

[CrystalTears]

Oh please ... Dar was already passed out under the bus.

He's Irish you know.
:lol:

[StrayRogue]

Hmmm, the mana regen did sound useful, especially to guild's with shittier gear. I'm certainly going to remain shadow until the cap simply to make grinding easier, after that...I'm not too bothered.

Can anyone recommend any good heal/spell addons? All I've ever used in the past is an energy watcher, kill tracker and poison helper.

[Nieninque]

healbot

[Atlanteax]

Aren't shadow priests getting nerfed in 2.1?

[StrayRogue]

healbot

Link to an uptodate version?

[Sean of the Thread]

Why you dirty, shaman-hating bastards...

I don't hate Dar.. it was like having an extra 6000 health shield around me you aggro whore.


bwhahahhaha.

[Nieninque]

http://wow-en.curse-gaming.com/downloads/details/3802/healbot-continued/

[Tea & Strumpets]

I don't hate Dar.. it was like having an extra 6000 health shield around me you aggro whore.


bwhahahhaha.

If you ever saw me pull aggro (which is RARE), then I guaruntee Rennick was tanking the instance. And I don't want to be offensive, but I think we all know that absolves me of guilt. I'll say no more in order to avoid stepping on any toes. Also, Rennick sucks.

[Tsa`ah]

Aren't shadow priests getting nerfed in 2.1?

Not really.

Can't get spirit tap from popping totems first.
Shadow weaving is getting a 1% per rank nerf.
SW:P goes on a 12 second timer.

The real nerf to shadow priests was last patch when they no longer let shadow affinity work with silent resolve.

[Sean of the Thread]

If you ever saw me pull aggro (which is RARE), then I guaruntee Rennick was tanking the instance. And I don't want to be offensive, but I think we all know that absolves me of guilt. I'll say no more in order to avoid stepping on any toes. Also, Rennick sucks.

I was kidding pal. Shammy = Druids partner in crime.


Also, Rennick sucks.

[Trouble]

I haven't played much lately, but a holy priest is/was still a great class to play. The main thing that sucked about it was solo grinding/questing between instance runs. The way I tried to deal with it was to spec a few points into the offensive holy talents and collect some +crit gear. Before they fixed the LoLsmite bug, you could get chain procs off of the 'free instant cast on a crit' talent. I assume they've fixed it by now anyway.

Shadow priests are great solo hunters but their DPS really sucks in groups unless you totally forget the fact that you're a healer. When I tried shadow I kept keeping track of the tank and other people's health and never really went all-out because I didn't trust the other healers in the group. I guess if I had gone in thinking I was a mage, it would have been easier. I should roll a mage or lock to get some all-out nuking experience before I try shadow again.

[Tsa`ah]

If you ever saw me pull aggro (which is often), then I guaruntee Rennick was tanking the instance. And I don't want to be offensive, but I think we all know that proves my guilt. I'll say no more in order to avoid stepping on any toes. Also, Rennick sucks.

Fixed it for you.

I can't remember an instance since BWL where Dar hasn't pulled aggro before I can get a dot off.

[Some Rogue]

If you ever saw me pull aggro (which is RARE), then I guaruntee Rennick was tanking the instance. And I don't want to be offensive, but I think we all know that absolves me of guilt. I'll say no more in order to avoid stepping on any toes. Also, Rennick sucks.

Why, I remember an instance just two nights ago where you had three times the damage taken as my mage did and only 2k more damage done you dirty Irish HoR.




Also, Rennick sucks.
:fu:

[Artha]

It wasn't worth making a new thread for, but check this out for ultimate WoW craziness.

So much crazy (http://www.xanga.com/RedflowerMinnesota?tab=weblogs&fid=0&nextdate=4%2F20%2F2007+1%3A00%3A51+AM&direction=n&bflag=). Keep going back for more.

[Sean of the Thread]

:fu:

Hehe <3

[Tea & Strumpets]

Why, I remember an instance just two nights ago where you had three times the damage taken as my mage did and only 2k more damage done you dirty Irish HoR.



How dare you...2k!!! It was 200k. It is comments like the one you just made that FORCE me to post damage meters after every run.

:insert emoticon of someone throwing their arms up in disgust, before spitting on the ground and walking away:

[Alfster]

How dare you...2k!!! It was 200k. It is comments like the one you just made that FORCE me to post damage meters after every run.

:insert emoticon of someone throwing their arms up in disgust, before spitting on the ground and walking away:

except the one where the druid beat you

[Tea & Strumpets]

except the one where the druid beat you

I was ahead of you for most of the instance, but the second you passed me you broadcast the meters into guild chat... I'll be honest, I almost gave you a WARN INTERACTION (or I laughed because it was funny).

[Alfster]

I was ahead of you for most of the instance, but the second you passed me you broadcast the meters into guild chat... I'll be honest, I almost gave you a WARN INTERACTION (or I laughed because it was funny).

Heh, of course I left that part out.

[CrystalTears]

It wasn't worth making a new thread for, but check this out for ultimate WoW craziness.

So much crazy (http://www.xanga.com/RedflowerMinnesota?tab=weblogs&fid=0&nextdate=4%2F20%2F2007+1%3A00%3A51+AM&direction=n&bflag=). Keep going back for more.
LOL! I'm so bored at work I read all that. Then out of curiousity I went to the armory to check out her gear... she deleted. :lol:

That helped burn 1/2 hour of my day, thanks. :D

[StrayRogue]

Some PvP questions: Now with the cap raised, will all my HW stuff be totally gimped? I see that it works differently now to how it did, yet will I still need to acrue all those points again, or do my old items scale as I age?

Is it still pointless to begin hardcore pvping while you are sub-cap?

[Bobmuhthol]

There are some really nice PvP rewards starting at level 18 in WSG.

[StrayRogue]

How's it work? Rep gets them or pvp points?

[Artha]

Now with the cap raised, will all my HW stuff be totally gimped?
Not sure about the armor, you can use the weapons till late 60s if you have decent enchants on them, mid-60s otherwise.

[Bobmuhthol]

<<How's it work? Rep gets them or pvp points?>>

Honor points and marks from that BG. The PvP rewards (not BG specific) start at 60 and work in the same way, honor points and a ton of marks from different BGs. Some of them require all 3 BGs IIRC.

[StrayRogue]

Hmmm, do you gain more pvp points at higher level? I'm just wondering if it's worth spending them on gear I'll upgrade simply through levelling.

[Artha]

Yeah, you get a lot more honor per kill later.

[Bobmuhthol]

Way more. It's like <400 points for the really low level stuff, and some high level goes up to at least 45000.

[StrayRogue]

Ah so it's not much of a loss. Thanks a bunch.

[Alfster]

Not sure about the armor, you can use the weapons till late 60s if you have decent enchants on them, mid-60s otherwise.

I'd disagree with using your points for the level 60 PVP gear. I wish I had saved my points and used them at 70 instead of blowing it all on 60's gear to have it replaced in 5 levels. With the number of quest rewards out there it's a waste to blow your points on the level 60 PVP gear.

[Nieninque]

I'd disagree with using your points for the level 60 PVP gear. I wish I had saved my points and used them at 70 instead of blowing it all on 60's gear to have it replaced in 5 levels. With the number of quest rewards out there it's a waste to blow your points on the level 60 PVP gear.

Agreed.

Level 60 pvp gear is pointless now.

[Sean of the Thread]

I for one feel bad for wasting all the points on lvl 60 pvp gear.. but to be honest there was really nothing else going on the month leading up to the xpac..

[Parkbandit]

Some PvP questions: Now with the cap raised, will all my HW stuff be totally gimped? I see that it works differently now to how it did, yet will I still need to acrue all those points again, or do my old items scale as I age?

Is it still pointless to begin hardcore pvping while you are sub-cap?

Depends on what you want to do.

Do you want to get to 70 asap? Skip any and all pvp stuff. Not worth it. You can shoot up to 70 so much faster by just questing and instancing.

[Parkbandit]

Hmmm, do you gain more pvp points at higher level? I'm just wondering if it's worth spending them on gear I'll upgrade simply through levelling.


So not worth it. I twinked Falgrin out and BG'd him through WSG and AB. Easily 100 tokens each as well as revered for both. It took me FOREVER to get there. My twink gear was better than anything I could pick up there, except a ring, necklace and the trinkets.

[Drew2]

Agreed.

Level 60 pvp gear is pointless now.

Off the subject slightly, but I've seen level 70's in full BLUE 60 PvP gear.

I immediatly left the group. That's just stupid.

[Nieninque]

I wouldnt necessarily leave the group, but I agree that it isnt particularly smart. (Edit: Oh...I just saw the blue 60's part...yeah I would leave the group).

My hunter is still in 60 pvp gear because I just didnt find anything much that was an upgrade worth breaking up set bonuses for. Admittedly I didnt play her for much more than farming to repay epic mount money when she hit 70, but tha's by the by.

The blue gear 70's isnt a great upgrade on the 60's stuff but it is a lot cheaper than the epic 70's stuff and for people that cant get into an arena team, a lot more readily available than the gladiator gear. I wouldnt choose to obtain it myself, but I can see why other people might.