Maxing Stats or Maxing TPS

[Tenzle]

So I'm wondering has anybody ever figured out if its better to maximize your stats or TPS to start. I was trying to come up with a formula to maximize training points overall. It seems like having Aura and Disipline Higher to start even if other stats might not max at 100, would yield more training points over those 100 levels as opposed to trying to set them low, and let them grow. Just wondering If anybody has figured this out or if I'm going to have to break out the books and try to get a formula to maximize tps.

[Kitsun]

You have to figure out what your time is worth now that there's a FIXSTAT potion.

Stat maximization (assuming in secondary or tertiary stats) versus the several hundred TP point hit equates to maybe weeks or months of hunting.

[Artha]

Max TPs till cap, bounty system a fixskills potion, max stats.


edit: This site (http://home.mchsi.com/~cphillips73/StatCruncher/GS4/StatCruncher.html) will max whatever for you.

[Fallen]

Stats are forever, sans a multi-million silver item that is rarely sold. Unless you NEVER wish to recharge enhancives, it is a true pain in the ass to earn your own.

Stats FTW

[Tenzle]

Whats the advantage to having max stats across the board, vs having more TPS? I understand my primary stats that give cs, spell as etc are important, but is Max CON, or STR really that important?

[Fallen]

You can carry more stuff, dodge maneuvers better...basically any check in the game that requires checks against your stats, you will do better.

[Tenzle]

Fair enough, i haven't done much hunting above 30 or so, so its hard to tell.

[Fallen]

Below 70, stats dont matter much. Later in life, though, encumbrance will get you killed all the damned time. Maneuver attacks become more frequent as well, which rely on Agility. If you want to bolt well, you need a high Dex. Aura determines your Spirit points, and if it caps, you can use an enhancive to gain 11 spirit. Lots and lots of ways stats benefit you.

[Artha]

Are those slight stat bonuses worth a few months of your life? If you even have to worry about how you're going to do at cap I'd guess you're in for the long haul anyway, but still.

[vontez]

how would it take months from your life if you choose to have stats maxed at 100? Is that because once you hit 100, you won't have as much TP as the next guy? at least I won't have a 60 intuition or con...

I'm all for stats. It looks pretty, and I'd rather not fixstat into it at 100, i'd prefer enjoying enhansives, etc.

[Artha]

Is that because once you hit 100, you won't have as much TP as the next guy?
Right. Since all you can do at cap is earn TPs, being behind is like throwing away your time.

edit: Though since you're at cap, time's not really an issue as that's all you've got. But until then, maxing TPs to get the skills you need so you don't hobble yourself will help you more than having decent stats.

[Gan]

Max TPs till cap, bounty system a fixskills potion, max stats.


edit: This site (http://home.mchsi.com/~cphillips73/StatCruncher/GS4/StatCruncher.html) will max whatever for you.

^^^ (bounty system a fixSTATS potion)

This is what I would recommend since the options of reallocation are now available on both skills and stats.

[vontez]

Right. Since all you can do at cap is earn TPs, being behind is like throwing away your time.




You could also roleplay ;)

[Fallen]

You can always get more TPs, short of spending ...how much are Fixstat potions going for these days? You will have you stats forever.

Who here has used a Fixstat potion to set their stats to max? You STILL lose those TPs once you switch to all perfects, as it adjusts for growth.

[Gan]

You could also roleplay ;)

And farm silvers. ;)

[Latrinsorm]

Right. Since all you can do at cap is earn TPs, being behind is like throwing away your time.The idea behind maxing (or near enough) stats is they offer an advantage, however slight, over nonmaxxed stats. This suggests the same person will hunt slightly better with maxxed stats, suggesting in turn that eventually they'll catch up.

It's not a big difference either way. There a lot more productive things to worry about (like helping me solve redux! :D)

[Celephais]

The idea behind maxing (or near enough) stats is they offer an advantage, however slight, over nonmaxxed stats. This suggests the same person will hunt slightly better with maxxed stats, suggesting in turn that eventually they'll catch up.

It's not a big difference either way. There a lot more productive things to worry about (like helping me solve redux! :D)

It could be said the person with more TPs will be a better hunter, and will advance faster (to cap, and at cap), therefore making it impossible for the stat person to catch up.

I think it is a per-basis issue. and something you want to take a middle ground approach to. Plan out what you want your character to train in, and how many TPs that will take, then plan out what you will continue to train in at cap, you can look at your stats and say AGI isn't maxed, would the TPs losed in making that capped be better spent on the dodge ranks to make up for it? How far beyond cap are you planning to go, if you've got all your combat skills taken care of (including stuff like CM and dodge for a caster), then things you can't train in (that a stat could help) would be needed.

If this is a new character, it would be pretty dumb to plan for max stats at cap and slow your progress in the beginning. The extra TPs, and better beginning stats will more than make up for the amount of points you would spend on recharging enhancives... letting you use those points on a fixstat potion, and let you make the decision at cap, instead of now (and you'll reach it much faster)

[Artha]

You could also roleplay ;)

lawl.

[Drew]

I have a TP build, but I'll fixstat eventually, I didn't plan on staying past level 40 so my stats are built for that. If you aren't near cap, you'll have plenty of time to save up the points for fixstats.

[Fallen]

Still haven't heard from anyone that used the presto-chango method of fixing their stats at cap, yet.

Lots of planning on it, though.

[StrayRogue]

I think I'll stay the way I am at cap. I don't like the idea of having to grind thousands of tps, only to lose them so I can have 100's in everything.

[Fallen]

I think I'll stay the way I am at cap. I don't like the idea of having to grind thousands of tps, only to lose them so I can have 100's in everything. >>

Yeah, the drop in TPs would be disheartening for many. That is why I don't think people will often opt for max stats at cap. Once they realize how slow they are in coming, they aren't so quick to "perfect" their character in such a manner.

[Drew]

Still haven't heard from anyone that used the presto-chango method of fixing their stats at cap, yet.

Lots of planning on it, though.



Well, there really hasn't been enough time for someone who is non-Tsinly to pull a million points. Even some of the more dedicated players I know have half that. I'm pushing 80k right now, but I've got plenty of levels until cap.

[TheEschaton]

Wait, you'll lose post cap TPs if you fixstat?

Otherwise, I thought maxing your stats at cap would provide you with more TPs?

-TheE-

[StrayRogue]

Yes, you lose those points. And no, having max stats doesn't mean more tps. If it did, everyone would place their stats for 100's from the beginning.

Remember your Prime Stats count for double (I think), so placing them high is best for TPs. However they grow so quick that it would be best (for 100's) to put them low, allowing slow growing stats their higher place.

[TheEschaton]

I didn't think prime stats counted for double.

And they plan on taking away the experience post-cap too, when you fix stat? Or just the extra TPs?

-TheE-

[Fallen]

And they plan on taking away the experience post-cap too, when you fix stat? Or just the extra TPs?

-TheE- >>

No..no. You just lose all the TPs that your stats gave you over the course of 100 levels if you placed them to maximize TPs. All of your post cap EXP isn't touched..your total amount of TPs will go down, but only because of the simulated loss of reallocation level's 0-100.

[Celephais]

It really only makes sense to Fixstat to better stats when you hit diminishing returns on your TPs being invested. Once your TPs are going to shit that really isn't helping you out, the only way to "train" extra benefit is to adjust to new better stats (meaning a few hundred less tps), and then re-earn those TPs... might not even be a bad idea to let the TPs pool up until you've earned enough overage so that when you fixstat you don't lose effectiveness.

[Tenzle]

Well I just got my stat reallocations back so thats why this is a question. I did do one re-allocate to max everything at 100(but inf), and I lost 3 spell ranks and a few other skills, so it definatly does adjust the points at my level (26) so not sure why it wouldent adjust the tps at 100.

[Gan]

And they plan on taking away the experience post-cap too, when you fix stat? Or just the extra TPs?

-TheE- >>

No..no. You just lose all the TPs that your stats gave you over the course of 100 levels if you placed them to maximize TPs. All of your post cap EXP isn't touched..your total amount of TPs will go down, but only because of the simulated loss of reallocation level's 0-100.

Well said.

[Tenzle]

Well as it turns out I can get about 350 fewer PTP and 350 More MTP if i maximize my stats for that, so I'm not really sure how much thats worth (either post cap time, or how much it would help leveling).

[Fallen]

Well as it turns out I can get about 350 fewer PTP and 350 More MTP if i maximize my stats for that, so I'm not really sure how much thats worth (either post cap time, or how much it would help leveling). >>

Do you really see yourself getting to cap? It gets pretty hairy around level 90. You are talking about over 100k exp per level.

[Tenzle]

Not sure, but if I dont plan to get cap, then its hard to want to keep playing, Sofar gemstone is the only game i've ever played where I dont have a max character, so I would like to end up with one someday.

[Tea & Strumpets]

Just wait for GS5, when the level cap will be reduced to 50. Even though you'll be losing half your levels, your relative power will stay the same, AND you'll get a FREE REALLOCATION and FREE FIXSTAT!!!

[Artha]

It takes 2 years, minimum, of playing Gemstone like it's your job to get to cap. So you might want to consider that.

[Tenzle]

Well i can p;lay at my job, so its like my job at my job then? ;p

[Artha]

Heh, I just mean playing for 8 hours a day...but yeah, I guess that's easier if you can play from work.

[GS4-Brimzstone]

LOL when and if GS5 comes we won't need reallocations... We will all be level 10 and it will take X^n to level.

BTW.. I'll have 2 fixstat potions available soon.. One on Ody that she wants me to sell and the one I will have in like a month. The one I have is on reserve though unless he don't want it..

[Fallen]

BTW.. I'll have 2 fixstat potions available soon.. One on Ody that she wants me to sell and the one I will have in like a month. The one I have is on reserve though unless he don't want it.. >>

You could make a KILLING selling these potions. Look at the amount of people who plan on using them.

[GS4-Brimzstone]

They don't go for that much... Last one I sold back in Feb07 went for 40M and that was to a friend... I need to time it better I guess.. I'm gonna try selling Ody's sync'ed with the annual fixskills and see how that works out

[AestheticDeath]

Tsin used his fixstat, and another poster on these boards used his own fixstat. Pretty sure several others have a mil or more BPs.

Though I don't think these guys were rolled for max TPs, at least one of them fixed stats to get maxed stats.

[Drisco]

So the Question is, is having all 100's Worth it or Having more TP's Worth it?

[Artha]

There's no right answer, read the thread and decide for yourself.

[GuildRat]

So the Question is, is having all 100's Worth it or Having more TP's Worth it?


From the toying around I've done...there's no way for a half-elf rogue to get ALL 100's. Best I could come up with was 8 100's, 1 98 and a 70 (INF). That being said, it's not inclusive of enhancers and whatnot.

[GS4-Brimzstone]

I don't think its possible to get all 100's I been playing around with the spreadsheet tsoran has.. So far I haven't found a single class/profession combo that can get you all 100's ... Best I can do is a 980 with an Erithian Bard...

Which is 100 all the way across the board cept one stat which is 80

[Fallen]

I am going to save up for a +10 INF bonus enhancive. I believe that will give me +99 to the stat.

[bluesmith]

At 100, my human warrior would have each stat at 100, and INF of 81.

[Drisco]

I looked at stats and I couldnt get any all 100's maybe I missed but I think its not possible.

[AestheticDeath]

You can get an elven bard to 9 100s, and a 90 in intuition, for 990 total. Thats how Maselon is rolled.

What he will look like at cap... though he most likely wont ever get there.

Strength (STR): 100 (25) ... 100 (25)
Constitution (CON): 100 (25) ... 100 (25)
Dexterity (DEX): 100 (30) ... 100 (30)
Agility (AGI): 100 (40) ... 100 (40)
Discipline (DIS): 100 (10) ... 100 (10)
Aura (AUR): 100 (30) ... 100 (30)
Logic (LOG): 100 (25) ... 100 (25)
Intuition (INT): 90 (20) ... 90 (20)
Wisdom (WIS): 100 (25) ... 100 (25)
Influence (INF): 100 (35) ... 100 (35)

Edit - From the toying around I did on tsorans spreadsheet, I wasn't able to come up with anything higher than a 990 stat total. Though I did not try every race/profession. Just the ones I was interested in.

[Asha]

You can't actually have all stats more than 91 ever. There's fixstat which I don't know if you can actually sell or buy but in my opinion, from the start of your characters life you should max tps. You'll benefit more from that.
OR if you're not that desperate to max all stats after you've capped and you're not Soulpieced or Tsin, you should just kiss a girl in RL.
Unless like them, that scares the fuck out of you.

[AestheticDeath]

You can't actually have all stats more than 91 ever.

Explain this, as I must have misunderstood it. If not, its wrong. As you can have all ten stats be over 91 at the same time.

And as to maxing TPs being the best no matter what, I tend to disagree.
My bard has too many TPs as is right now, and its been rolled for max stats from day one. Sure I could use more TPs and waste them on all kinds of things. But I get more than enough to do all the things I really need to do.

I won't say having a higher stat total, or higher average stats or somthing like that makes you a better character early on, because its really not true.

In the end its all a personal choice. Neither one will cripple you, and neither one brings a great advantage over the other. Except in some cases. If you tank the wrong stat(s), your going have a hell of a hard time for no reason.

[Fallen]

OR if you're not that desperate to max all stats after you've capped and you're not Soulpieced or Tsin, you should just kiss a girl in RL.
Unless like them, that scares the fuck out of you. >>

DUDE. What kind of skanky ass whore would make out with a guy who didn't have maxed stats?!?

[Artha]

I made out with your mom and I'm not even capped.

[Fallen]

That skanky ass whore!

[redhook]

Don't know how accurate Tsoran's trainer is in this matter, but I am maxed for TP's (physical since I am a warrior). I redid it so all stats would be at or near 100 and took the total TP's from the spreadsheet from my stats and the optimized stats. What I found was that in the end I would get 510 something less PTP over lifetime and in return I would get 490 something MTP. Seems like an even trade to me, since I would end up NEEDING more PTP's over life span....

Just my thoughts.

[Artha]

Each MTP is half of a PTP though, so unless you really need them for something you're losing out.

[liquiddrool]

How about if someone just wants to reach cap at their own fastest and/or funnest way and use fixskills and fixstats once they reach 100? This shouldn't affect the character usefulness will it?

[AestheticDeath]

If you just want to reach cap as fast as you can, roll stats for max TPs. This will not only give you more TPs, but will place your stats so that they are effective for your profession. You will have a much easier time.

[Fallen]

Certainly. If having more skills equates to you reaching the cap the most quickly, that would be the way to go. Dont forget about the stats that help you hold and absorb EXP, however. That plays a big role on how fast you can level.