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Gan
03-21-2007, 07:58 AM
When a California woman recently gave birth to a healthy baby just two days after learning she was pregnant, the sudden change to her life was challenging enough. What April Branum definitely didn't need was a deluge of nasty Internet comments.

Postings on message boards made cracks about Branum's weight (about 400 pounds — one reason she says didn't realize sooner she was pregnant). They also analyzed her housekeeping ability, based on a photo of her home. And they called her names. "A pig is a pig," one person wrote. Another suggested that she "go on the show 'The Biggest Loser.'"

"The thing that bothered me most was, people assumed because I am overweight, I'm going to be a bad mom," Branum says. "And that is not one little bit true."

It was yet another example of how the Internet — and the anonymity it affords — has given a public stage to people's basest thoughts, ones that in earlier eras likely never would have traveled past the watercooler, the kitchen table or the next barstool.

Such incidents — and there are countless across cyberspace — also raise the question: Is there anything to be done about it? Or is a decline in civil discourse simply the price that we pay for the advance of technology?

"The Internet really amplifies everything," says Jeffrey Cole, of the Annenberg School for Communication at the University of Southern California. "We have a lot of opinions out there. All of a sudden there's a place we can go to share them." Add to that the freedom that anonymity provides, he says, and it "can lead to a rowdy Wild West situation, with no one to filter it."

"It's all things said reflexively, without thinking," says Cole, who tracks the political and social impact of the Internet as director of Annenberg's Center for the Digital Future.

"My guess is that if you went back to these people, a lot of them would have second thoughts." And if you asked them to add their name, as in a traditional letter to the editor? "They'd be embarrassed."

There are examples everywhere of anonymous comments that cause harm. On even the most innocuous sites — a parenting message board, for example — anonymity often leads to the type of response that would hardly be likely if names were attached.

"People post insults on here left and right," one person wrote Monday on the New York edition of urbanbaby.com, a networking site for new mothers. "It seems the common word these posts have is Fat. Just because someone is overweight, fat, thick whatever you call us, doesn't mean we are ugly, lazy or insecure ... So stop the childish remarks."

News organizations, struggling to find ways to keep their readers involved in an increasingly digital and interactive world, are trying to strike the right balance.

Branum's case fueled debate at the Orange County Register, whose Web site had only recently added a public comment section after news stories.

OCRegister.com deputy editor Jeff Light says the site has modified its message board, only six weeks old, in response to staff concerns about inappropriate posts. Now, among other changes, language is more specific about what the site expects from those who post, and how a comment can be deleted.

Ideally, Light says, it's the users, not the site's operators, that should determine what is discussed, and how. "The comment area is not a journalistic space," he says. "The point is for people to react freely."

And Yahoo News took down its message boards completely in December, with the goal of finding a new system that doesn't let a small group of vocal users dominate the discourse. "Our hope is to raise the value of the conversation," says Yahoo spokesman Brian Nelson.

Harm can be much greater when people are singled out by name on the Web; such attacks can hurt someone's career or home life. One entrepreneur is trying to help people recover from such attacks with a company he started last year: ReputationDefender.

"It takes one person 20 minutes to destroy your reputation, and it costs them nothing," says Michael Fertik, who employs about 40 part-time "agents" on what he calls "search and destroy" missions against unwarranted Internet attacks. "It can take you 200 hours to try to clean it up."

Fertik, who says his is the only company providing such a service, has clients ranging from victims of unfair comments on dating Web sites to people who feel they've been mistreated on MySpace.com. He also is helping several female law students fight what they call defamatory sexist and racist comments on a message board widely read in the legal community. Their story was reported earlier this month by The Washington Post.

Fertik says he offers "a PR service for the everyday person," charging a fee that can be as low as $10 monthly, for a thorough search of Internet references. The "destroy" part starts with a polite letter and can occasionally lead to threatened legal action. (Generally, Web site operators are not liable for offensive postings.)

One person who takes it pretty much in stride is Branum, the California woman who was unaware she was pregnant until Feb. 26, two days before she gave birth. Her sister had alerted the newspaper to the story. Neither of them anticipated the nasty comments that rolled in.

But, Branum says, "it's America. People are going to say what they're going to say. It's going to be everywhere, and you can't stop it. Anybody's allowed." She says the flip side was the posts that came in defending her — and the cards and letters from people she didn't know, wishing her luck.

Her fiance was less forgiving, even calling the paper to complain. Branum said she had a simple response for him: "Deal with it."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070320/ap_on_hi_te/cruel_and_anonymous_3
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Wonder what they would say if the ever read the PC. :lol:

Artha
03-21-2007, 10:29 AM
You...don't say. That explains so much.

I've been living a lie.

/sob

Skeeter
03-21-2007, 10:47 AM
I think the moral of that story was. Don't be fat.

Sean of the Thread
03-21-2007, 11:04 AM
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b236/Japgross/02baby_med.jpg

TheEschaton
03-21-2007, 12:37 PM
Fertik, who says his is the only company providing such a service, has clients ranging from victims of unfair comments on dating Web sites to people who feel they've been mistreated on MySpace.com. He also is helping several female law students fight what they call defamatory sexist and racist comments on a message board widely read in the legal community. Their story was reported earlier this month by The Washington Post.

I wonder if the girl in my school who was lambasted is involved with this. Would love to know.

-TheE-

Methais
03-21-2007, 01:20 PM
I give this thread a
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a162/DoyleHargraves/BobBarkerFail.jpg

Alfster
03-21-2007, 01:28 PM
Fat people are funny.

Bring up weight to them and they get all pissy. Do they really think people don't notice?

CrystalTears
03-21-2007, 01:38 PM
Why does it have to be brought up though? They're obviously sensitive about it. Probably akin to mocking someone for being an alcoholic or a drug addict. Probably ashamed it's come to that but don't want to talk about it or feel defensive towards it. I can't fault them for not wanting to discuss it.

Latrinsorm
03-21-2007, 01:49 PM
Whenever I see a story about a highly advanced alien race coming to earth, it's shit like this (and the previous thread on this subject) that makes me worry that they're justified in writing us off as a race of savages.

Drew
03-21-2007, 02:04 PM
Ric Romero reporting.

Artha
03-21-2007, 02:23 PM
Probably akin to mocking someone for being an alcoholic or a drug addict.
Not exercising and eating too much is related to being physically dependant on a substance how?

CrystalTears
03-21-2007, 02:36 PM
You're saying that being dependant on food is not a big deal in comparison to being dependant on drugs or alcohol. I'm asking why. An addiction is the same regardless of the item, imo.

Tsa`ah
03-21-2007, 02:41 PM
Why does it have to be brought up though? They're obviously sensitive about it. Probably akin to mocking someone for being an alcoholic or a drug addict. Probably ashamed it's come to that but don't want to talk about it or feel defensive towards it. I can't fault them for not wanting to discuss it.

The physical characteristics of the mother are not given to the paper when they print out the "new baby" page. In fact, the parents can insist the birth not become public knowledge.

However, when your dumb ass sister decides to call the local paper and say "My fat, fat as in 400lb sister, is in labor and she's so fat she didn't know she was pregnant" ... well you had best get off the horse, tell these thin skinned empathizes to STFU and then take it out on the person responsible.

It's not like there's a media investigation group that goes around the world looking for people easily made fun of. Morons call them and say "Hey ... I've got a story for you. My aunt ....". They do it in hopes of cash and 15 seconds of fame via association.

Artha
03-21-2007, 02:43 PM
Everyone's dependant on food, but there's nothing forcing you to eat that quadruple stacker with king sized fries and drink instead of a salad with water, and there's nothing stopping you from exercising so that you can maintain a healthy weight.

Skeeter
03-21-2007, 02:57 PM
I found this depressing from the Bob Evans web site. http://www.bobevans.com/


Cobb Salad with Grilled Chicken: 698 Calories
Ranch Dressing (dinner portion): 312 Calories

1010 calorie salad. So much for eating healthy.

CrystalTears
03-21-2007, 03:12 PM
Everyone's dependant on food, but there's nothing forcing you to eat that quadruple stacker with king sized fries and drink instead of a salad with water, and there's nothing stopping you from exercising so that you can maintain a healthy weight.
No, some people are dependant on food so much that they can't stop eating it, ergo, eating disorder, which sometimes means gaining of weight. There is nothing forcing you to eat, just like there is nothing forcing you to drink or take drugs. And if you say that once you're addicted to drugs now it's physical dependancy, well, the same applies to food. To assume and say it's easier to overcome than drugs or alcohol is rather ignorant.

And Tsa`ah, my comment was towards the post before it, not that people were bugging her about it. I can see why she was getting the slack she was getting. I'd be more pissed at my babbling sister.

Methais
03-21-2007, 03:17 PM
I'm addicted to Cinnamon Life cereal. It gives me tingles in my pants.

Keller
03-21-2007, 03:38 PM
We should feel bad for ugly people.

Fat people have a choice. I understand big-boned/big-hipped women being sensitive to weight b/c of the whole supermodel image thing. But that's not what we're talking about. We're talking about fat people. People who, if it weren't for x-rays, wouldn't know they have bones or hips. Those people need to lose weight or be ok with the fact that society generally laughs at them behind their backs b/c they have no self control and look horrible as a consequence.

Skeeter
03-21-2007, 04:01 PM
society generally laughs at drug addicts and alcoholics too. If you come on this board and say you're a heroin addict, rest assured I will use that against you.

Law of the west.

CrystalTears
03-21-2007, 04:04 PM
society generally laughs at drug addicts and alcoholics too. If you come on this board and say you're a heroin addict, rest assured I will use that against you.

Law of the west.
:lol: Fair enough.

Sean
03-21-2007, 04:06 PM
Poor Arkans

Sean of the Thread
03-21-2007, 04:26 PM
You know your life is fucked up when you're a cross dressing metrosexual emo smack head who likes grenadine in his corona and you carry the lime in your fanny bag.

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b236/Japgross/akgirl.jpg

ElanthianSiren
03-21-2007, 11:42 PM
Her outrage is a little weird. I felt bad for her when all the comments about HER were coming out, but the "OMG I weigh 400 lbs why does anyone think my eating may be a bad influence on my child??!" comment is ridiculous.

You don't weigh 400 lbs while entertaining healthy eating and exercise habits, unless you have a serious metabolic disorder. If she thinks she may, she should get checked by a doctor. When mom's coming home and sacking away immense amounts of food to deal with stress or whatever her trigger is and not working out though, you better believe that child is going to see that eating habit and learn it.

Weighing 400 lbs is dangerous for obvious reasons due to health complications we've already discussed plenty of times here.

Andreal
03-22-2007, 12:01 AM
There is nothing wrong with being an alcoholic. kthx

Tsa`ah
03-22-2007, 12:43 AM
Your liver has a different opinion.

Andreal
03-22-2007, 05:44 AM
Everyone always has to bring up that whole liver thing.

To be on topic... Congrats on her having a baby. Lets hope it follows the father's example and not the mother's and doesn't get fat. For some reason I keep getting pictures of Cartman yelling beefcake in my head.

Skeeter
03-22-2007, 09:54 AM
The kid will either be fast or skinny. But not both.

Sean
03-22-2007, 10:27 AM
She never said her eatting habits or lifestyle decisions wont have an influence her child good or bad. She said being fat doesn't mean she'll be a bad parents. Can you think of 1 parent who doesn't have some habit or some portion of their lifestyle that wont have a negative influence on their child? Does that make them bad parents?

Sean of the Thread
03-22-2007, 10:30 AM
Well the whole she can't move thing makes me wonder if she'll be a bad "giver of care".

That and the chance she might actually eat the baby.

Caiylania
03-22-2007, 05:40 PM
The sad thing I see is that women that size have a very hard time keeping up with young children. They can't play the same, walks are short. I've even seen women who have a hard time diapering their kids- let alone getting up a dozen times a night to feed.

However, this child might be a good influence and get her up and about again. I can say from experience that often enough, kids by their pure existence, encourage their parents to do better, be better, and live better.

Andreal
03-23-2007, 02:38 AM
Thats why she has a husband as her slave, duh!