Martir is NO martyr in my book.

[Parkbandit]

I'll let the log explain itself.

[Town Square, Small Park]
A small, shady park fills an old vacant lot behind a row of buildings, the bustling sounds of the square filtering through the passage to the north to animate the area despite its appearance of peace and serenity. You also see a gypsy fortuneteller, a rapier and a handful of white flower petals.
Also here: Ydna (sitting), Martir, Airasophen (sitting), Kojo (sitting), Quinzella, Xaniten
Obvious paths: north, south, west

You pick up a handful of white flower petals.

You pick up a rapier.

[Town Square, Small Park]
A small, shady park fills an old vacant lot behind a row of buildings, the bustling sounds of the square filtering through the passage to the north to animate the area despite its appearance of peace and serenity. You also see a gypsy fortuneteller.
Also here: Ydna (sitting), Airasophen (sitting), Kojo (sitting), Quinzella, Xaniten
Obvious paths: north, south, west
You reach into Xaniten's pockets and pull out 42 silvers.
Martir just arrived.

You see Martir.
He appears to be a Giantman of the Grot'karesh Clan.
He appears to be very young and very tall. He has silver-flecked golden eyes and golden brown skin. He has waist length, silky titian hair worn in a ponytail. He has a clean-shaven face, a straight nose and broad shoulders.
He is in good shape.
He is wearing a reinforced shield, a heavy backpack, and some light leather.
Raz removes a gold ring from in his leather tool pouch.
You reach into Martir's pockets and pull out 115 silvers.

You reach into Martir's pockets and pull out 205 silvers.

You dust off a polished mithril plaque.

You reach into Martir's pockets and pull out 246 silvers.

You dust off a weatherworn grey marble statue.

You reach into Martir's pockets and pull out 161 silvers.

You reach into Martir's pockets and pull out 91 silvers.

You reach into Martir's pockets and pull out 37 silvers.

You reach into Martir's pockets and pull out 249 silvers.

You reach into Martir's pockets and pull out 149 silvers.

You lean against a weatherworn grey marble statue.

[Town Square, Small Park]
A small, shady park fills an old vacant lot behind a row of buildings, the bustling sounds of the square filtering through the passage to the north to animate the area despite its appearance of peace and serenity. You also see a gypsy fortuneteller (sitting).
Also here: Moristha, Thalian, Martir, Vullfen (sitting), Airasophen (sitting), Kojo (sitting), Quinzella, Xaniten
Obvious paths: north, south, west

You crack your knuckles.

You examine your fingernails.

You reach into Martir's pockets and pull out 61 silvers.

You see Martir.
He appears to be a Giantman of the Grot'karesh Clan.
He appears to be very young and very tall. He has silver-flecked golden eyes and golden brown skin. He has waist length, silky titian hair worn in a ponytail. He has a clean-shaven face, a straight nose and broad shoulders.
He is in good shape.
He is wearing a reinforced shield, a heavy backpack, and some light leather.

You reach into Martir's pockets and pull out 214 silvers.

You carefully examine Martir's physique and figure he weighs about 234 pounds.

You reach into Martir's pockets and pull out 77 silvers.

Martir raises an eyebrow.

You examine Martir closely, sizing him up and taking note of all the details.

You reach into Martir's pockets and pull out 32 silvers.

You nod to Martir.

You say, "Yerra big 'on"

You reach into Martir's pockets and pull out 250 silvers.

Martir shrugs.

You reach into Martir's pockets and pull out 116 silvers.

You ask, "wha it like ta be a gian?"

You cock your head at Martir.

You reach into Martir's pockets and pull out 160 silvers.

Martir says, "you hear voices from down below"

You reach into Martir's pockets and pull out 218 silvers.

You grunt in agreement.

Martir peers quizzically at you.

You reach into Martir's pockets and pull out 168 silvers.

You say, "I big ferra dwarf."

You reach into Martir's pockets and pull out 132 silvers.

You reach into Martir's pockets and pull out 84 silvers.

Martir asks, "did ya enjoy my pockets?"

You ask, "Did I wha?"

You reach into Martir's pockets and pull out 175 silvers.

You grunt questioningly.

Martir says, "someone did"

You examine Martir closely, sizing him up and taking note of all the details.

You reach into Martir's pockets and pull out 133 silvers.

You ask, "ya got pockets in yer leather der?"

You grunt questioningly.

Martir just went north.

You say, "I wear dis 'eavy plate armor."

You smirk.

You reach into Xaniten's pockets and pull out nothing.

You reach into Quinzella's pockets and pull out 33 silvers.

You reach into Quinzella's pockets and pull out 161 silvers.

You say, "So much cleanin ta do."

A swarm of tiny spiders suddenly appears from beneath the folds of Ydna's spidersilk cloak and seals the opening in the cloak with their silk.

You dust off a polished mithril plaque.

You reach into Quinzella's pockets and pull out 78 silvers.

You dust yourself off.

You dust Quinzella off.

You reach into Quinzella's spidersilk backpack and pull out a piece of amber.

You secretly place your amber into your leather weapons harness.

You reach into Quinzella's pockets and pull out 121 silvers.

You glance at a gypsy fortuneteller.

Martir just arrived.

You say, "I got yer fortune."

You nod to the gypsy fortuneteller.

You reach into Quinzella's pockets and pull out 176 silvers.

You glance at a gypsy fortuneteller and slowly draw your finger across your throat meaningfully.

Martir hands the fortuneteller a message. The fortuneteller inspects it carefully, appears satisfied and says to Martir, "I knew you would be coming with this. I have seen you in my cards. A noble destiny awaits you if you persevere and remain loyal to yourself."

She continues in a soft voice, "All money is as ashes in the wind, but in this life great store is set by it, so I will reward you in the custom of the time."

With that, she hands Martir some silvers and traces a symbol of blessing in the air then raises a hand in farewell.

You reach into Martir's pockets and pull out 88 silvers.

Martir just went north.

You reach into Quinzella's pockets and pull out 76 silvers.

You reach into Quinzella's pockets and pull out 69 silvers.

You reach into Quinzella's pockets and pull out 90 silvers.

You reach into Quinzella's pockets and pull out 132 silvers.

You reach into Quinzella's pockets and pull out 211 silvers.

You reach into Quinzella's pockets and pull out 195 silvers.

Martir just arrived.

You reach into Quinzella's pockets and pull out 65 silvers.

You reach into Martir's pockets and pull out nothing.

You smile at Martir.

You say, "ello Gian."

Martir says, "hello theif"

You say, "We was talkin an ya jes up an lef."

You ask, "Me?"

Martir says, "had a job to do"

You grunt questioningly.

Martir says, "most likely"

You grunt negatively.

You point at a small silver star.

You show Martir your silver star.

You say, "Imma dep'ty."

Martir asks, "so?"

You reach into Kojo's pockets and pull out 212 silvers.

Martir says, "best disguise"

You say, "Da constable wouln like me stealin much..."

Magnusn just arrived.

You reach into Kojo's pockets and pull out 53 silvers.

Martir says, "cause he's in your pocket"

You reach into Kojo's pockets and pull out nothing.

You say, "I'll admit, I ain always beena dep'ty."

Martir says, "while you were talking to me my coins were dwindling"

You ask, "ere??"

Martir says, "so even if it weren't you"

Martir says, "yer not much good"

You ask, "someone was stealin from ya in my park??"

You grunt in annoyance.

Martir says, "should trade in your badge"

You exclaim, "Come on ou ya thief!"

You scowl.

You grunt in annoyance.

Martir says, "shame on you stealin from a poor lil emp"

Martir says, "that's what ahm sayin"

You exclaim, "Yea thief! Shame on you! Now come ou!"

You say, "cursed thief."

You grumble.

You say, "Ain no stealin from des fine folks in MY park."

Ydna says, "who made you dep'ty? "

Ydna peers quizzically at you.

You say, "Da constable."

Martir asks, "Falgrin stole ..how much?"

Martir peers quizzically at you.

You say, "I ainna thief frien."

You say, "Like I tol ya.. Imma dep'ty."

Xerthious cautiously says, "You look more like a bandit"

Ydna says, "let me see your badge"

You reach into Ydna's pockets and pull out nothing.

You say, "Looks kin be decivin."

You show Ydna your silver star.

Martir says, "either way"

Martir says, "WHILE you were talking to me"

Martir says, "my coins dwindled"

You say, "Someone's a good thief 'ere den."

Martir says, "so either way"

You ask, "Ow much ya lose?"

Martir says, "your useless"

You cock your head at Martir.

Martir says, "turn in your badge"

Martir says, "at least 1000"

Martir says, "prolly more"

You say, "Prolly more like three thousan would be my guess."

Martir says, "stole 3000 silvers from me"

You say, "Now now."

Martir says, "not now"

Martir says, "before"

You say, "Don make me drag ya in fer spreadin false rumors."

Martir says, "so ya robbed me"
Martir says, "or someone else did"

Martir says, "while ya watched and distracted me"

Martir says, "so either way"

Shadya says, "heres a tip fer ya...don bring silvers or ya open containers full of gems inta the park"

You ask, "Come now fella.. ya lost a mere wha.. three thousan five hundred an thirty two silvers or so?"

Shadya nods to Martir.

You reach into Ambershadows's pockets and pull out 163 silvers.

Martir says, "so ya see"

Martir says, "he admits that he took my money"

Martir says, "basically"

You ask, "ow did I do that?"

You cock your head at Martir.

You reach into Ambershadows's pockets and pull out 48 silvers.

Martir says, "with whatever skills ya have"

You reach into Ambershadows's pockets and pull out 172 silvers.

Martir says, "and the constable seems to be in your pocket"

Ambershadows just arrived.

Ambershadows serenely says, "how bout i make it easier for you"

Ambershadows drops some coins.

Martir gathers the remaining coins.

Martir just went north.

You ask, "Dat gian issa thief?"

You cock your head at Ambershadows.

Martir just arrived.

You ask, "An 'e jes kept blamin me fer it?"

You shake your head.

Martir says, "I don't believe in easy"

You reach into Martir's pockets and pull out nothing.

You say, "Bad thief."

You scowl at Martir.

Ambershadows serenely says, "all theifs are bad"

You say, "Ifn yer gonna go collectin.. do it elsewhere."

Martir says, "I'm not a theif"

Martir says, "they left the coins to be takin"

Martir says, "so I took em"

Martir says, "I'll give em back later"

You say, "Sure ya will."

You nod to Martir.

You say, "Don lemme catch ya takin from others 'ere."

You nod to Martir.

Martir pokes you in the ribs.

Martir says, "take your own advice"

You ask, "Don let you catch me?"

Martir says, "yeah"

You say, "ok."

You nod to Martir.

You reach into Kipastil's pockets and pull out 242 silvers.

You reach into Kipastil's pockets and pull out 238 silvers.

You say, "Strange 'ow yer jes standin 'roun 'ere.. lookin all innocen."

You nod to Martir.

You reach into Kipastil's pockets and pull out 184 silvers.

You examine Martir closely, sizing him up and taking note of all the details.

Martir just left.

You chortle.

You reach into Kipastil's pockets and pull out 38 silvers.

You say, "scared da gian off."

You say, "e knew I was onta 'im."

You reach into Kipastil's pockets and pull out 160 silvers.

You mutter thief.

Kipastil rummages around in his pockets.

You grumble.

Martir just arrived.

You scowl at Martir.

You reach into Kipastil's pockets and pull out 135 silvers.

You ask, "Yer back fer more?"

Martir asks, "standing around lookin innocent and what?"

Martir appears to be checking his pockets for something, but finds them empty.

Martir says, "there is no more"

Baffled says, "Well, dinna matter who steals or not. I was gonna cast colors, but the silvers stolen from me cost the part those"

You reach into Kipastil's pockets and pull out 128 silvers.

You exclaim, "cause ya jes ran up ta da bank!"

You scowl at Martir.

Baffled says, "I'll cast my spells on m'self"

Kipastil rummages around in his pockets.

You say, "E'eryone 'ere seen ya."

Martir yells, "falgrin is stealin in the park put ya coins up"

You reach into Kipastil's pockets and pull out 193 silvers.

You say, "da's libel now."

Baffled says, "That's a shame"

You say, "Don make me drag ya in."

You scowl at Martir.

Martir says, "drag ya dead body in"
You reach into Thalian's pockets and pull out 61 silvers.

Martir says, "I don't like you...do not talk to me or touch my coins again"

Kipastil says, "to tell you the truth I don't care who was stealing, as long as I get my money back"

Ydna says, "see what you 2 have done! now no one will do any mass spells "

You reach into Thalian's pockets and pull out nothing.

Martir is informing you that he wishes to have no further interaction with you OF ANY KIND! He desires that the two of you go your separate ways and have no further contact.

[Edited on 11-17-2003 by Parkbandit]

[Hips]

Makes me wish I trained in pickpocketing. Not that I'd infringe on your park... :P

[GemstoneFan]

Well played in my opinion...... dang yer good hahaha :)

That or do people really not care when you've stolen from them 15 times in a row? Or are they just not seein it?

Looks like Martir is yet another that's cut their teeth on warn interactions......sad really.

[Skirmisher]

Well, I thought Martir didn't handle it all that badly till the warn.

I would however say that You(Falgrin) took advantage of broken game mechanics to continue stealing from him when he clearly thought it was you stealing and would have been watching you far too closely to pick his pockets after that.

Steal all you want till someone makes it clear they are watching you, but after that its extremely poor sportmanship and mechanics abuse to continue.

To mock someone for for RP by using warn is ironic when you yourself are not showing stellar skills in that arena in this case.

[Parkbandit]

Originally posted by Skirmisher
Well, I thought Martir didn't handle it all that badly till the warn.

I would however say that You(Falgrin) took advantage of broken game mechanics to continue stealing from him when he clearly thought it was you stealing and would have been watching you far too closely to pick his pockets after that.

Steal all you want till someone makes it clear they are watching you, but after that its extremely poor sportmanship and mechanics abuse to continue.

To mock someone for for RP by using warn is ironic when you yourself are not showing stellar skills in that arena in this case.

Everyone is welcome to their opinion Skirmisher, but mechanics abuse it certainly is not.

And please point out a place where I wasn't roleplaying the senario out? Do you really think that someone that is like Martir.. a giantman empath of few trainings, could actually see Falgrin steal from him? Falgrin has been practicing his art for years now and is very skilled at it.

I picture Falgrin as a type of street magician. You can watch him as close as you can, but you still can't figure out how he did it.

And I actually think Martir was roleplaying quite well prior to the use of warn. At that point in time, I simply chalk him up to someone that played it to the best of his ability and then had to resort to the WARN because he ran out of anything to come back with.

[Skirmisher]

Originally posted by Parkbandit
And please point out a place where I wasn't roleplaying the senario out? Do you really think that someone that is like Martir.. a giantman empath of few trainings, could actually see Falgrin steal from him? Falgrin has been practicing his art for years now and is very skilled at it.


I should not have used the term mechanics abuse as it is quite incendiary.

I stand behind my opinion of stealing while the mark is clearly focusing their attention upon you.

No thief no matter how accomplished can pick the pocket of a person once they are brought to a state of heightened alert. As to your point of such an inexperienced mark being able to "spot" Falgrin, I can only point out that a real thief would not be so foolhardy as to steal while there are so few people around to camoflage their actions.

Again, I have no problems whatsover with you cleaning out someone who remains oblivious, but if someone is clearly looking at you and pointing the finger of suspicion in your direction then its time to back off and try again later is all.

[SpunGirl]

It's official, Martir is a warn whore in the making. I though the whole exchange was priceless. He's so lame.

-K

[Kitsun]

Originally posted by ParkbanditDo you really think that someone that is like Martir.. a giantman empath of few trainings, could actually see Falgrin steal from him? Falgrin has been practicing his art for years now and is very skilled at it.

I picture Falgrin as a type of street magician. You can watch him as close as you can, but you still can't figure out how he did it.


I believe part of the point is...if Martir actually thought you were a thief, he would keep you a good five paces away so that you couldn't keep emptying his pockets. How long are you going to let someone that you believe is stealing from you, bump into you or keep dusting you off?

[Sean]

this changes alot in gs4 ... be interesting to see how things turn out when it goes live

[Sweets]

I was with Martir right up until the warn. Damn I hate that verb. It was silly he stayed around to let you pick him clean but I think it is a good point, street magician or no....for the rp to be "pure" you couldn't steal when he was staring right at you. Were you leaning against his chest and whispering in his ear? Feeling him up?

Didn't think so. Just think about it. I don't think you rped poorly as Falgrin, it's just a new avenue to think about it you really are into the rp thing.

I am also interested in how the new stealing system affects we thieves. I mean *cough*....thieves in general. I do love a challenge.

[Edited on 11-17-2003 by Sweets]

[HarmNone]

From the looks of his gear, Martir is a very young character. That makes me wonder if he is, in fact, a relatively new player. If so, that COULD explain the use of the dreaded Warn verb. A new player would have no way of knowing that something like Warn, which is built into the system, is frowned upon as severely as it is.

Personally, I am not fond of the idea of stealing from what are obviously very young characters with beginners' gear. The possibility that they are actually a new player always kept my thief away...for awhile. I figure anybody should have the chance to learn how things work before being robbed blind at every opportunity. However, that is just me. Each person plays it as they see it should be played. :)

HarmNone

[Anebriated]

His age could be better judged by the fact that he was running messages.

[Moist Happenings]

I'm not saying that it's impossible...but I don't know many true newbies who know what the warn verb is. There's nothing that says when you come into the game "If somebody fucks with you, use this verb". in fact, there are a lot of verbs a LOT of people don't know because there isn't really a good list of them and what they do. Not on play.net, anyway.

[HarmNone]

Yep. The messages were also indicative of the age of the character. That, and the gear, would have kept my theif away until I could be sure, somehow, that this was an experienced player in a "new body". ;)

HarmNone

[Caiylania]

Wow, that log was fun to read. Seeing through the eyes of Falgrin. How much have you gotten from me? ;)

They do have a point though... about someone suspecting you would make it much harder to steal.


>Falgrin reaching into your pockets? 547 silvers

>Watching Falgrin do that to someone else? Priceless

[theotherjohn]

Originally posted by Caiylania
They do have a point though... about someone suspecting you would make it much harder to steal.



I dont remember the command but paying attention and watching someone is possible in IV

[Artha]

The command is watch.

I saw a show where a guy stole things like ties and watches from people who were looking for it. It's not impossible.

[GS4Gurl]

Kinda makes me wish I kept on with my rogue. :(

Oh well, that was funny though and well done.

[Warriorbird]

"No thief no matter how accomplished can pick the pocket of a person once they are brought to a state of heightened alert."

BS.

[Skirmisher]

Originally posted by Warriorbird
"No thief no matter how accomplished can pick the pocket of a person once they are brought to a state of heightened alert."

BS.

No, it's not. I'm not saying that the thief could not back out and reapproach the mark with success. I am saying that no pickpocket could or would even try to pick the pocket of a mark looking right at them with suspicion.

Just wait a while till they arent looking, another time etc... and that changes everything, but lets do be realistic here.

[GSLeloo]

Anything is possible. All you need is the right trick. Think of magicians. Especially the truly great ones. You're all on this heightened alert to watch for a mistake, to see the trick. But they know their environment, they're familiar with it and they can deceive you. And in this case, if this is HIS park, he spends all of his time there, then he's very familiar with it and very able to deceive his prey.

[Pallon]

>steal someguy
>steal someguy
>steal someguy
>steal someguy
>steal someguy
>steal someguy

i gasp at the subtle grace and skill of the street magician

[GSLeloo]

No one saw him because he was good at what he was doing. In the RP situation, it was a skill, not what you listed.

[Ladyteeoncy]

Hey cutie... When you gonna steal enough to send me on a vacation?

[Pallon]

No one saw him because the current stealing system is nearly omnipotent. The whole exchange was amusing, but I have to agree with Skirmisher that under GS3 it's poor play for a thief to continue stealing from someone repeatedly when they clearly indicate that they are watching said thief closely.

Sorry, but this a sore spot for me. On the ferry to the EN one time, the only other occupant was obviously stealing from my character while talking to him, and it basically came down to, "Hey dickhead, I know it's you, stop robbing me," and yet, my silver supply kept dwindling down. Lame.

[Ladyteeoncy]

thats when you cut their hands off ::;whistle:::

[Pallon]

Unfortunately he was about sixty trains above me at the time :flamed:

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by Parkbandit
You say, "I got yer fortune."

You nod to the gypsy fortuneteller.


A bit on the nose, don't you think?

I'll say this, though. Whenever a thief walks into the park and sees Falgrin it must be like walking into East Tower and seeing Drizzsdt. It's just a blank check, man, no one'll suspect them. Not that I would know.