Sweet RP skills

[Syberus]

So I was in the rogue guild today.. sweeping my little heart out trying to get my last rank till I hit my guild wall again for my train. I'm working with someone, who whispers to me that she has to go afk for a sec, and that it's fine if I just pull her up (I was doing the sweeping) So.. i'm sweeping along, trying to pull her up after each time. However as a halfling i"m less than beefy, so it was causing a bit of screen roll (which is understandably irritating). However instead of offering to HELP me pull the person up, they drag her a room away... Ok no big deal, I'll sweep her there, it wasn't my intent to bother anyone.. so I go east and yell thanks wench to the person who had dragged her (as a pirate I'm not the most cordial of individuals). So I'm continuing to sweep my partner.. and out of nowhere..

Karlah leaps from hiding to attack!
Karlah swings a veniom-hafted silvery rolaren waraxe at you!
AS: +283 vs DS: +42 with AvD: +41 + d100 roll: +19 = +301
... and hits for 93 points of damage!
Your left hip is pulped, severing your leg.
You fall screaming to the ground grasping your mangled left leg!
You are stunned for 12 rounds!

>Karlah asks, "Wench?"

Well that's just fucking great. Sweet RP skills there buddy. So.. after the stun wore off (she had just walked away) I got healed.. came back and...

You leap from hiding to attack!
You swing a burnished glaes war mattock at Karlah!
AS: +289 vs DS: +187 with AvD: +32 + d100 roll: +74 = +208
... and hit for 84 points of damage!
Left hip pulped, severing the leg.
She is stunned!
(Go two handers!)

So.. then I'm sitting in the middle of the rogue guild, getting bitched by Augie of all people about how people shouldn't sleep blah blah blah

Augie squeakily says, "You slept in the middle of the courtyard we can drag you off if we want"

Augie squeakily says, "Next time keep your hands closer to your sides"

Karlah says, "Ah I forgot living in the landing was a free pass to be an idiot"

Augie squeakily says, "Not all of us are dear, tis a shame the ones that are still get to be here."

So basically Augie.. one of the biggest morons ever to ruin the lands is agreeing with this complete idiot who attacked me for calling her a wench and flexed those great RP muscles. Personally I think if Augie agreed with me on anything it'd be a good indicator I was wrong off. Ah well..

[Moist Happenings]

A) Karlah's an idiot
B) Augie was wrong, but that doesn't mean she's ALWAYS wrong.

[Moist Happenings]

Additionally, it took Karlah stealing three, count 'em, three brown zircon equivalent cursed gems off me the other day to realize that it probably wasn't a good idea to steal from someone who could take her limbs off with the wave of a finger.

EDIT: Playing the pronoun game! fixed now.

[Edited on 11-14-2003 by Neff]

[Tendarian]

How were you sleeping in the middle of the courtyard? Or were they implying your partner was under your control too? Ive never had a problem with either of them before but thats not saying much cause i keep to myself most of the time.

[Syberus]

My partner was asleep for a second while they went to do something, and said I could just pull them up (they were gone maybe a minute)

[Moist Happenings]

It's entirely possible that Karlah was talking shit about you afterwards. She likes to instigate things, and probably told Augie something that wasn't true.

[Dighn Darkbeam]

Karlah doesnt seem to be doing too well off her island. Tell her to crawl back to the back-water hole in the earth she came from.

P.S.

Dighn doesnt like Karlah, but as a player I dont mind her.

[Moist Happenings]

What I forgot to mention about my experience with her a few days before was that she had some big(ger) warrior with her to protect her while she was stealing my gems. Anyway, after I took her hands off for stealing the first one, he tried to tackle me, and didn't get close, so I stunned him. That was the end of that. Best just to ignore her. She's one of those idiots who shouldn't be around.

[Tendarian]

Augie squeakily says, "You slept in the middle of the courtyard we can drag you off if we want"

This is the part im talking about. If your partner was sleeping why are they nagging you. At least ya got her back as good as you got it, thats always nice.

[Dighn Darkbeam]

She's one of those idiots who shouldn't be around. >>>

I wouldnt go that far. Karlah plays a very aggressive character, in other words a real bitch. That doesnt mean she is blatantly OOC or even a bad roleplayer. She was most likely having a bad day and took a simple situation too far. If you approach her in an IC manner I bet she would surprise you with a good interaction.

[Syberus]

Originally posted by Tendarian

Augie squeakily says, "You slept in the middle of the courtyard we can drag you off if we want"

This is the part im talking about. If your partner was sleeping why are they nagging you. At least ya got her back as good as you got it, thats always nice.

Ah, she was bitching at my sweep partner, that had come back to ask what the hell was going on.

[Moist Happenings]

Well It's just a little twinky to have some older warrior protect you while you're stealing just in case you get caught. It didn't affect me because I was older than he was, but he hadn't spoken to me, or anyone in the room until I took her hands off. And EVERYONE in the room saw her get cursed by a gem right beforehand, so it was quite obvious what was going on.

[GSLeloo]

I have only met her once but I didn't like the vibes I got from her. (IG) My father was introducing her to basically me and all she did was ignore me and stand around. Loses points in my book.

[Moist Happenings]

Yeah. Your father was messin' with me the second time I took her hands off. But I chalked that up to rogues sticking with each other. At least he was doing it in an IG manner.

[Dighn Darkbeam]

Well It's just a little twinky to have some older warrior protect you while you're stealing just in case you get caught. >>>

It may not smack of good taste or fair play, but then again I never met a rogue that did. Shrug.

[Moist Happenings]

Well, what I mean is if that warrior hadn't interacted with you or anyone else in the room up until you did something to the rogue, THEN attacks you, THAT's twinky. If that warrior had been at least doing something beforehand, even if it was played by Karlah herself, I wouldn't have minded.

[Dighn Darkbeam]

If that warrior had been at least doing something beforehand, even if it was played by Karlah herself, I wouldn't have minded. >>

Are you claiming she was MA'ing? I can easily see a roleplay situation where a basher lies in wait while the theif does his/her work. He would only make his presence felt should the need arise.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

I remember Karlah years ago in warfs when the boot was still in RR. She got all flustered and began bitching me and my wife out because we killed the warfs to efficiently.

Had her on my 'red' list ever since, considering she swore like a sailor for 5 minutes before I slept her and left her in the tunnels.

[Moist Happenings]

I don't know if she was MA'ing and I don't really mind if she was. But the fact is that whoever the warrior was was doing NOTHING in the previous 20 minutes. Made absolutely NO move and talked to no one in the room.

[Dighn Darkbeam]

Was he a human or a giantkin? They are capable of standing there, staring off in an endless stupor for hours on end. Its a wonder they remember to continue breathing at times.

[Rastaman]

Staring off into space can be entertaining.

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by Dighn Darkbeam
Was he a human or a giantkin? They are capable of standing there, staring off in an endless stupor for hours on end. Its a wonder they remember to continue breathing at times.

Dude that's not funny, that happens to me sometimes.

;)

[Ladyteeoncy]

I dont know about Karlah since I have never met her... However, I have interacted with Augie a few times.. although she and i have never come to a full disagreement or anything... I did not like the vibes I got from her.. She seemed very stuck up and acted like she was above everyone else... She ignore the little people. Maybe thats why she thought she could try and yell at you?

or maybe every time i see her she is having a bad day or i am not looking at the situation right... I am not sure. It isnt like i hate her or anything.

[Latrinsorm]

Augie's a halfling. She IS little people. <snicker>

[Ladyteeoncy]

good point...I retract my statemen! Anyone have any peanuts?

[GemstoneFan]

Karlah's a real bitch. She came to Icemule recently and proceeded to parade in with her snotty ass attitude and stealing from the clerics and empaths that were trying to help her when she was asking questions about hunting grounds and such.

She's on my red "leave me the fuck alone" list. My game time is too short for dealing with jackasses. If I want that I'll just go to work :D

[Pallon]

Didn't she go demonic and then get to come back or something

Originally posted by GemstoneFan
Karlah's a real bitch. She came to Icemule recently and proceeded to parade in with her snotty ass attitude and stealing from the clerics and empaths that were trying to help her when she was asking questions about hunting grounds and such.

She's on my red "leave me the fuck alone" list. My game time is too short for dealing with jackasses. If I want that I'll just go to work :D

what better way to tip than with their own money?

[Parkbandit]

Never met Karlah before... but if her character IS a bitch... good for her. I for one would rather deal with a character that is a bitch than half the huggie wuggie cookie cutter characters that come to Falgrin's park and beg for massies from wizzies.

[Moist Happenings]

Yeah, I don't mind people RPing unlikeable characters at all. In fact, one or two of mine are roleplayed like that. (At least that's what I tell myself because nobody likes me. ::sob::) Good for her if she sticks to her RP. My only complaint was the guard/slave/helper or whatever it was she had with her while stealing. That's just stupid.

EDIT: Fucking emoticons.

[Edited on 11-14-2003 by Neff]

[HarmNone]

Sadly, we have no fucking emoticons, Neff. Perhaps, if you petition Kranar...

Wait! Did you mean you wished to......

No. Nevermind. :D

HarmNone, feeling ornery

[Moist Happenings]

Don't make me photoshop a new avatar with that theme, Harmnone. :P

Neff, feeling naughty.

[Edited on 11-14-2003 by Neff]

[HarmNone]

Practice a bit first, dear. My tender eyes, you know......

HarmNone has seen Neff's Photoshop work :o

[Moist Happenings]

::blink:: you've seen my photoshop work?

[HarmNone]

Heh. Nope....but, I had you going there for a minute, eh? :D

HarmNone sometimes cannot resist her evil twin

[Moist Happenings]

Originally posted by HarmNone
Heh. Nope....but, I had you going there for a minute, eh? :D

HarmNone sometimes cannot resist her evil twin

I was confused! ::sob::

[Karlah of Torre]

1. Putros, besides being extremely rude and then defensive you were also in violation of game policy. Your partner was asleep and gaining experience. When we asked you to stop the screen scroll which was basically the equivalent of you holding down the enter key on the keypad you refused. When we asked again you became rude. At this point I drug your AFK partner one room east. No harm came to her and you could have continued on with your training with no interruption other than to hit the 6 key on your number pad. At this point you thought it was necessary to yell wench at me from the next room over. As was pointed out I role-play an aggressive character. Karlah is a quick tempered thief. When a character who is clearly in the wrong yells, “Wench” at her in the middle of the guild then yes she would react with force. I don’t think there is anyone about that could point out a time when I have broken character.
2. People get really upset if you’re a thief. Picking pockets is as valid a game mechanic as any other skill. While thieves in the game may upset people they are still a part of the game and there are ways to avoid them. Close pouches, deposit coins… it’s really that easy. Nobody has ever heard Karlah “bitch” at people who curse gems or even attack a thief. There are quite a few people in the landing who have found Karlah in their pockets. Those who confront her will almost always get coins and gems back plus some. Those who attack are justified because she was stealing. I never complain about the repercussions and I never leave character.
3. “My only complaint was the guard/slave/helper or whatever it was she had with her while stealing. That's just stupid.” In reference to me MAing, very simply I do not. I have one basic subscription with three characters, one of which is Karlah. I don’t recall the case where a big warrior protected me but if they did it was of their own free will and I had nothing to do with it.
4. I don’t role-play Karlah as a super bitch 24/7 the only people that see her really act like a bitch are people that in her eyes deserve that treatment. Putros, as a player I knew you were wrong and abusing the game. I made attempts in character to resolve the situation and eventually attacked you, in character, after you provoked Karlah to the point where she would attack. I didn’t kill you or do anything other than inconvenience you.
5. In reference to Karlah going demonic and then coming back. Apparently someone who Karlah stole from took that action so seriously that they managed to break into my account and send her demonic rather than handle it in game.
6. There are a good number of people in the lands that enjoy Karlah’s company just as I am sure there are plenty that hate her guts. I wouldn’t have it any other way.

If you want to contact me my AIM is Antilon

[Hips]

I think the #1 way that we get new posters to these forums is by ranting about their characters.:bounce:

[Artha]

Heh, I've noticed that too.

[Syberus]

You're still a dumb bitch :saint:

[Syberus]

Oh, and I reported myself, they didn't seem to care that my partner was asleep for a about a minute and I had their permission. Thanks for being the secret Nazi guild policewoman though because you had nothing else to do.

[Des ka]

Originally posted by Ladyteeoncy
I dont know about Karlah since I have never met her... However, I have interacted with Augie a few times.. although she and i have never come to a full disagreement or anything... I did not like the vibes I got from her.. She seemed very stuck up and acted like she was above everyone else... She ignore the little people. Maybe thats why she thought she could try and yell at you?

or maybe every time i see her she is having a bad day or i am not looking at the situation right... I am not sure. It isnt like i hate her or anything.

I cant stand augie either. Her s queaky voice is even worse.

She is, ( I hate to say it) acts like a bitch to many .I agree with you, she does seem "stuck up". But she also is nice to some people. <Shrug>

She can be very OOC at times and whenever something doesnt go her way she gets washee in the situation, threatens you, etc.

I got in a situation with her, forgot how it started, but she got pissed. She IM'd me, saying very rude things, I Dont even want to post it here. It was horrible. Saying that I'll Have "an army" after me, cussing me out with each word.

Saying lame things like, "Do you have a penis, or did you come out as a women"

Which were incredibly annoying and stupid. Once I blocked out that AIM, she just created another one or something in seconds and started bitching at me again.


I DONT think she should be a mentor.

Period.

[Pallon]

Originally posted by Des ka

I got in a situation with her, forgot how it started, but she got pissed.



If I'm not mistaken you assassinated her outside the north gate with a feras mattock

[Karlah of Torre]

If what people post is any indication of their character I think you just lost the battle for yourself with, “You're still a dumb bitch”. We approached you calmly and rationally and you acted in the same way your still acting. That’s why you got legged. The fact that you were in breach of game policy is just in addition to the fact that you were acting like a jerk when a few people calmly asked you to stop scrolling the screen. Any rational person not going out of their way to be a jerk would have recognized that they were being disruptive and stopped.

[Syberus]

As I originally stated, I had no problem sweeping in another room, as I had not seen you ask me to stop. You however being the coolest person in the world were unable to take a cordial pirate thank you, and felt the need to lash out. That is the reason you are retarded, I don't care what room I sweep my partner in. I would have been MORE than happy to appologize and sweep in another room if I had seen you ask, and if you hadn't have been so incredibly bitchy about it.


"If what people post is any indication of their character I think you just lost the battle for yourself with, “You're still a dumb bitch”. "

What the hell was that supposed to mean anyway? I lost the battle with you? I care? I think if you'll read the thread you'll find most people agree with me, so you must not be referring to that.

[Dighn Darkbeam]

You however being the coolest person in the world were unable to take a cordial pirate thank you, and felt the need to lash out. >>

Syberus, you cant honestly claim not to understand how a female character could take offense to the label "Wench". My guess is she had absolutely no idea you roleplayed a pirate. I doubt many females in game even knowing your characters background would appreciate calling them as such.

I am no way criticizing your character, or how you chose to roleplay him. I am pointing out an alternate point of view.

[Jolena]

I'm not choosing sides one way or the other here..however, I do have to say.. that if someone called Jo a 'wench' she would have taken off their leg as well. Rogues normally aren't known for their kindness and sweet nature. If you insult a female rogue you should probably expect a butt kicking of some sort.

[Syberus]

Instead of attempting at any kind of conversation however she felt the ned to remove my leg? I guess if looking at me (which she may not have done) and seeing the peg leg, parrot and eye patch wasn't enough of a factor, the talk she could have started would have been. Basically if you can RP a bitch and run around cutting people's legs off, I can be an asshole too, if you wish to be a civil person and actually have a conversation, I'd be happy to.

[GSLeloo]

If you're rational you don't drag people away or attack them, you speak first. I would've called you a bitch too if you dragged away the person I was dealing with. Besides, it's better they do that in the guild rather than in the middle of town. The guild is the place for that.

[Jolena]

I don't think her problem was that he was doing it in guild..it was that they were scrolling since his partner was sleeping and he was having problems lifting her up being he's a halfing. But yes.. I would think talking first would be in order before dragging.. especially if his partner was only sleeping a minute or so as Syberus explained to me.

[sevas]

The situation could have been handled better, it was not necissary to drag the partner into another room, calling her a wench was most likely not the best way to avoid future conflict either. The lesson here.... Rogues need a dueling arena like the warriors have.

Also there was a Kahrla(sp?) awhile back in Ta'Vaalor. She was very active with the second militia and a wonderful person in general. She disliked the way things were going and went demonic in protest is what i heard. I dont think its the same person though.

[Kurili]

As far as Putros pulling his Guild partner up while she was away for a moment, with the resulting scroll....I do have a Rogue. And she would normally get more RT than the one sweeping her would, and her partner would pull her up, and sweep again. Often at the end of a set of reps, my Rogue didnt move for over a minute from accumulated RT. So, even though I was there, every second, it was STILL a lot of scroll.

Am I to then assume the same would have happenned to her? I would have been highly upset.

Acolyte Kurili

[Syberus]

Originally posted by Kurili
As far as Putros pulling his Guild partner up while she was away for a moment, with the resulting scroll....I do have a Rogue. And she would normally get more RT than the one sweeping her would, and her partner would pull her up, and sweep again. Often at the end of a set of reps, my Rogue didnt move for over a minute
from accumulated RT. So, even though I was there, every second, it was STILL a lot of scroll.

Am I to then assume the same would have happenned to her? I would have been highly upset.

Acolyte Kurili

I'm afraid i'm not quite sure what you're getting at. Are you asking if I had stacked my partner's RT? Though it's not truly relevent to the situation at hand... the answer is no, I didn't pull her up fast enough to stack rt as it's only 5 seconds or so max per rep.

[Karlah of Torre]

"If you're rational you don't drag people away or attack them, you speak first"

Three people did speak first. He was rude and refused to stop so all I did was move the person he was pulling over a room. He yelled back "Wench" which I think most people would not take as cute pirate speak but rather as someone being rude. So at that point we had already tried to be rational with him and he was responding like a jerk. So yes when in addition to all that he called my character a name she got upset and took his leg. I posted what happened.

[Artha]

It's the freaking guild. People are supposed to work on guild skills there. It's not some chat room for rogues only.

[Karlah of Torre]

It wasn't any RT issues it was just

Putros tries to pull ------- to her feet, but she is too heavy.

Flowing across the screen as if he had his keypad enter button stuck. For about 15 seconds at a time. We asked him to stop like anyone would. He was rude about it. We moved his partner which was pretty harmless. He yelled back with wench. That’s all there was to it. People are going to see it in a different light. I thought we were more than patient until he started name calling.

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by Karlah of Torre
We moved his partner which was pretty harmless. He yelled back with wench.

Different strokes. For different folks. And so on, and so on, and scooby-dooby-doo. You did something you thought was harmless. So did he.

You cut off his leg. No one thinks that's harmless.

[Jolena]

Well it seems to me that Kariah was angry because Putros' partner was obviously sleeping and he was not able to pull her up so it scrolled their screen a few dozen times.. so she drug Putros' partner to another room and he called her a wench. I mean..I can understand being irritated by scrolling..but I don't think it gives her the right to drag the partner out of the area. I would probably have legged Kariah for doing that to my partner if Jo had been having a particularly bad day.

[Kurili]

When my rogue is in the guild and sees someone struggling she helps them. Or, to help them get their reps faster, people very often pull the other up. Not sure what the huge problem was in this case. ::shrug::



Thanks Daina. That's what I meant, Syberus. That no one ever complained about one Rogue pulling the other one up to save time. And since they were IN the Guild, I failed to see where the problem was.

Acolyte Kurili

[Karlah of Torre]

"I don't understand why none of the other people standing around looking for something to bitch about didn't just help the hobbit pull the chick up.

When my rogue is in the guild and sees someone struggling she helps them. Or, to help them get their reps faster, people very often pull the other up. Not sure what the huge problem was in this case. ::shrug:: "

And we would have if he wasn't such an ass about it in the first place. So you’re telling me if you were sitting in a room and some was making an insane amount of screen scroll you wouldn’t be irritated at first and ask them to please stop. We were all reasonably polite. He responded like a jerk and on top of it all we were all in the middle of doing guild work ourselves. I spend a good part of my time helping out people in the guild. And yes helping to pull people up is common practice. What’s not normal is mashing the fricken enter key. He was creating so much scroll that it makes me think he was on a premie account, I could be wrong but if I made as much scroll on my basic account the game would have booted me. It's coming off as if we were standing around looking for a reason to bitch. That’s not how it was. We were doing guild work and he starts going ape with the screen scroll.

[Karlah of Torre]

Oh and it's not like this went on for 10 second and then I drug of his buddy and legged him. It was going on for a while and we asked him to please stop. He was being a prick about it and I'm about to dig through all my logs to find the exact log of how he was acting.

[GSLeloo]

If I was in a room doing something with someone and you dragged the person I was working with away, I would call you a bitch because that is what you were being.

Guild work is done in the guild... that seems pretty logical. Want to sit and talk? I'm sure you could've removed yourself from that room and sat elsewhere. Next time something bothers you, you can move. No one has to accomodate you so if it bothers you, fix it without causing a fight like you did.

[Jolena]

' and on top of it all we were all in the middle of doing guild work ourselves. '

[Edited on 11-15-2003 by Jolena]

[Karlah of Torre]

Leloo are you reading my posts before you post? There were five people total in the room. Putros and his AFK partner, myself, and two others. We were all doing guild work. Putros's actions became disruptive when he had so much scroll going across the screen that the rest of us couldn't see when to do reps. All three of us asked him to stop yanking her arms 10 times every second for 15 seconds at a time. I fail to see how asking him to stop disruptive behavior which by the way is against game policy was being a bitch. After all three of us continually asked him to stop I drug his partner over one room. I don't see why three people that were doing the right thing should have to bend over backwards for the person doing the wrong thing.

[Caramia]

Some of the answers are so obvious.

Do guild work in the guild.

Don't do guild work in rooms where people commonly come to rest.

If your blasted partner, lover, spouse, friend can't stand up on their own and you can't get them up in three tries, have the consideration to wait a few minutes and not scroll the damn screen.

Wench is not a pirate word or a pirate word for thanking people, but it does mean:

1. A young woman or girl, especially a peasant girl.
2. A woman servant.
3. A wanton woman.

[Weedmage Princess]

Well, I might be alone here (I didn't read the other 2 pages, just the initial stuff on the first page, so bear with me.) ..I don't see how it was bad RP on either your part or Karlah's part. She attacked you for calling her a wench, a term which some women at the time deemed derogatory (kinda along the lines of bitch) ...my character wouldn't take too kindly to being called a wench, either. Pride thing, I guess. So she retaliated....and you turned around and retaliated, as well. Like some women, if you call them something really bad (like..the c word..) some might ignore you, some might yell at you, and then some would slap your face. Same thing.

Did Augie turn around and try to attack you? Did this Karlah person do something like warn you or anything along those lines? Cause then yes, that'd be weak...but you can't (in my opinion) just go around insulting people and not expect anything back.

Is Augie a friend of hers? If not, and she was just "around", she needs to mind her business.

**Edited to add: You know, the initial thing that started this all...your sweeping your afk friend. Though I personally wouldn't have made a big stink out of it, I can see how the scroll might be annoying to others who are in the area...the guild courtyard in general isn't exactly "private" ...my advice is next time when you get partner reps, go somewhere a bit more private...a little more curteous that way. Maybe climb the ladder and to the north? I know of a few spots in plat that are out of the way in the guild..I don't know if the same would be true in Prime, though.

[Edited on 11-15-2003 by Weedmage Princess]

[Syberus]

Augie slept and swept me I believe and started screaming for Nordred (karlah's bf, husband?) that was in the guild.

[GSLeloo]

Her boyfriend. My IG father, and a good friend of both Syberus and Putros.

[Rastaman]

I would have done exactly what Karlah did. Then again I also walk around looking any excuse to fight.

[Karlah of Torre]

God I wish I had the log. When did Augie call for Nordred? She slept you because she saw you jump out of the shadows and take my leg off. I don't think she knew that I had taken yours, it's not like I walked back over to the west and started talking about it. I have noticed that people will try to stop other people from killing each other if it's in their power. Oh and I think I remember you now Leloo your dad was bored so we went to find you. I said hello and smiled at you but that was about it.... if I remember right I even tried to talk to your boyfriend about pirate things since that was his role. I could be wrong but was Putros that guy? If that’s the case I can understand why you are standing by him regardless of the fact that we was acting like a 13 year old. After Putros took my leg back I didn't bother with him anymore because it was clear that he had no clue as to why he got legged and just thought the three unrelated people he was pissing off were just being "Bitches". Now this would all make sense if Putros was role-playing an ass hole character. Three people ask you to please stop something that is clearly disruptive and you respond like a prick? Acting like a prick for no reason + Yelling wench across the whole guild = Leg removed. You want to act like a little kid then don’t be surprised if people discipline you once in a while.

[GSLeloo]

I know Syb/Putros better than anyone else on this board. He acts like a pirate on Putros, he acts completely different on Syberus. He does roleplay. He wasn't acting like a 13 year old, he was acting like how he normally does, trying to get guild work done, and you were just being bitchy. I don't stand beside him no matter what he does, but in this case he wasn't wrong.

And as for you coming to visit, yeah, you said hi and ignored me, so very friendly. I can tell why you acted the way you did. I preferred Lahanna....

[Syberus]

You leap from hiding to attack!
You swing a burnished glaes war mattock at Karlah!
AS: +289 vs DS: +187 with AvD: +32 + d100 roll: +74 = +208
... and hit for 84 points of damage!
Left hip pulped, severing the leg.
She is stunned!
The guiding force leaves you.
Roundtime: 8 sec.

>Augie squeakily exclaims, "Nordred!"

>Augie crouches, sweeps a leg at you and connects!
MS: +284 - MD: +37 + MAvA: -4 + d100: +62 == +305
Success!
You fall to the ground! Augie deftly regains her footing.

Augie draws a glowing pattern in the air before you.
CS: +232 - TD: +45 + CvA: -6 + d100: +98 - +40 == +239
Warding failed!
Your thoughts drift off to a battle field where a lone figure, bedecked in battle worn armor, sends wave after wave of undead to a more peaceful eternity.


You mean that part that never happened? I HAVE the log.

[Syberus]

Also, I did a little filtering, and took any excerpt from when you arrived until when you dragged my partner

Karlah just arrived.

DeLuca assays Karlah with a critical eye and says, "Let's find you something to do to earn a rank in Sweep." DeLuca gives Karlah some instructions.

Karlah asks, "Could I sweep somebody?"

Karlah squints at you.

You glance at Karlah

Karlah says, "Me next"

Karlah exclaims, "Putros!

Karlah grabs XXXXXX and tries to drag her, but she doesn't budge.

I guess that was your asking nicely right?

[Syberus]

Augie faces you and shrieks at the top of her lungs!

Augie squeakily says, "For the love of roltons"

Augie squeakily says, "Let her stand"

Augie squeakily says, "Well then she shouldn't be helpin you with reps"


That was Augie's Nice asking me as well.

[Karlah of Torre]

I guess it did happen. That was her, not me. I didn't call for anyone’s help and if you don't see that you were being disruptive then... well I guess that’s it. I’m not going to spend two weeks going back and forth with someone can’t recognize when they are wrong. I’ll keep my distance from your character whenever possible you can do the same and I don’t think there will be any problems. Leloo, I’m sorry your feelings got hurt when I didn’t talk to you. I’ll try to devote my undivided attention to you if I’m ever in your presence again. :)

[Kurili]

Hmmm...so one person who doesnt seem to be directly involved, Augie, calls for yet another person who also seems to be not directly involved.

Interesting.

Acolyte Kurili

[Karlah of Torre]

why don't you post the 10 pages of screen scroll that inspired:

Augie faces you and shrieks at the top of her lungs!

Augie squeakily says, "For the love of roltons"

Augie squeakily says, "Let her stand"

--Wait... what goes here? You saying she was sleeping? And gaining EXP? Wait... isn't that in violation of game policy? Why would you edit that part out?

Augie squeakily says, "Well then she shouldn't be helpin you with reps"

[Syberus]

So if your definition of asking nicely is screaming at me, yelling Putros and dragging my partner away, my definition of thank you was yelling wench. Seems fair to me

[Syberus]

As I said, I reported myself and they didn't care. If you would like the screen roll posted I will, people will probably note that it's not that bad.

[Artha]

Wait... isn't that in violation of game policy?

No. Unless she was scripting while she was doing that, or using Rest Mode.

[Syberus]

You slyly say, "If you would like to pick her up, by all means."

You slyly say, "She's asleep."

Augie whispers, "It's against policy for you to be sweeping her while she is afk"

That is the ONLY part where Augie speaks to me about policy,


Augie squeakily says, "Let her stand"
[Script]>Ariyel removes a drake dagger from in her black leather boots.
[Script]>Ariyel pops her dagger into her mouth and smiles.
[Script]> * Lourraine Bazzan joins the adventure.
* Ozwink returns home from a hard day of adventuring.
Strezze calmly says, "any of you have 25 or greater ranks in sweep"
* Zipadee returns home from a hard day of adventuring.
[Script]>Ariyel removes a drake dagger from in her black leather boots.
[Script]>Ariyel pops her dagger into her mouth and smiles.
[Script]>'She's asleep. * Swordfyre returns home from a hard day of adventuring.
You slyly say, "She's asleep."
[Script]>l[Rogue Guild, Courtyard Center]
An old monir tree stands alone here in the center of the courtyard, its huge roots ringed by a circular low stone wall that also serves as a bench. The tree's highest branches reach above the three-story buildings that surround the courtyard, illuminated starkly in the moonlight and thriving on the fresh air above. You also see the Eylanna disk, an oak barrel, some beautiful wildflowers and Training Administrator DeLuca.
Also here: Karlah, Strezze, Augie, Eylanna who is lying down, Ariyel
Obvious paths: north, south, east, west, northeast, northwest, southeast, southwest
Ariyel removes a drake dagger from in her black leather boots.
[Script]>Ariyel pops her dagger into her mouth and smiles.
[Script]> * Caiylania returns home from a hard day of adventuring.
* Gladria returns home from a hard day of adventuring.
Ariyel removes a drake dagger from in her black leather boots.
[Script]>Ariyel pops her dagger into her mouth and smiles.
[Script]>Augie crouches, sweeps a leg at Strezze and connects!
MS: +284 - MD: +138 + MAvA: -4 + d100: +84 == +226
Success!
Strezze falls to the ground! Augie deftly regains her footing.
[Script]>Ariyel removes a drake dagger from in her black leather boots.
Ariyel pops her dagger into her mouth and smiles.
'If you would like to pick her up, by all means.[Script]>Dhalaan just arrived.
[Script]>You slyly say, "If you would like to pick her up, by all means."
[Script]>l[Rogue Guild, Courtyard Center]
An old monir tree stands alone here in the center of the courtyard, its huge roots ringed by a circular low stone wall that also serves as a bench. The tree's highest branches reach above the three-story buildings that surround the courtyard, illuminated starkly in the moonlight and thriving on the fresh air above. You also see the Eylanna disk, an oak barrel, some beautiful wildflowers and Training Administrator DeLuca.
Also here: Dhalaan, Karlah, Strezze who is lying down, Augie, Eylanna who is lying down, Ariyel
Obvious paths: north, south, east, west, northeast, northwest, southeast, southwest
[Script]>Ariyel removes a drake dagger from in her black leather boots.
[Script]>Ariyel pops her dagger into her mouth and smiles.
[Script]>Strezze calmly says, "you are the best Augie"
DeLuca assays Dhalaan with a critical eye and says, "Let's find you something to do to earn a rank in Rogue Gambits." DeLuca gives Dhalaan some instructions.
[Script]>Augie squeakily says, "Well then she shouldn't be helpin you with reps"

That's the entire log from that part, unedited. Where exactly were you looking for the part you mentioned?

[Karlah of Torre]

"Hmmm...so one person who doesnt seem to be directly involved, Augie, calls for yet another person who also seems to be not directly involved.

Interesting."

I can’t respond as to why Augie called anyone. I didn’t. I’m not sure what the above is implying but I’ll assume your suggesting that I was controlling Augie and Nordred? They are both very independent characters I’m sure. I personally only have one basic account. I think pretty much anyone that was standing around when this was going on had reason to want to harm Putros. I don’t think anyone else that was there was related in any way other than we were helping each other with guild work.

[Syberus]

You crouch, sweep a leg at Eylanna and connect!
MS: +92 - MD: +72 + MAvA: +6 + d100: +88 == +114
Success!
Eylanna falls to the ground! You deftly regain your footing.

[You have 11 repetition(s) remaining.]

Roundtime: 5 sec.
[Script]>Ariyel pops her dagger into her mouth and smiles.
[Script]>Ariyel removes a drake dagger from in her black leather boots.
[Script]>Ariyel pops her dagger into her mouth and smiles.
[Script]> * Tariajewel returns home from a hard day of adventuring.
* Radeek returns home from a hard day of adventuring.
pull eylstandYou try to pull Eylanna to her feet, but she is too heavy.
[Script]>Strezze pulls Augie to her feet.
Ariyel removes a drake dagger from in her black leather boots.
Ariyel pops her dagger into her mouth and smiles.
You are already standing.
Strezze pulls on Augie, trying to get her closer.
[Script]>Strezze pulls on Augie, trying to get her closer.
[Script]>Strezze pulls on Augie, trying to get her closer.
[Script]>sweep eylanna pull eylEylanna is already prone, just what are you trying to prove?
[Script]>pull eyl[Script]>pull eylpull eylYou try to pull Eylanna to her feet, but she is too heavy.
You try to pull Eylanna to her feet, but she is too heavy.
[Script]> * Jamus returns home from a hard day of adventuring.
You pull Eylanna to her feet


OH THE HORROR! WHAT MASSIVE SCREEN ROLL I CAUSED

[Karlah of Torre]

You slyly say, "She's asleep."

That part right there and you could post all the time you tried to pull her up.

[Karlah of Torre]

So your trying to pass it off that you only pulled on her two times but three people responded to you with stuff like this? Augie faces you and shrieks at the top of her lungs!

Augie squeakily says, "For the love of roltons"

Augie squeakily says, "Let her stand"

Think you might be stretching the truth a little... or maybe cutting parts of it out.

[Kurili]

I was in no way implying that you control either Augie or Nordred. I was merely pondering a situation.

I am quite aware that both Augie and Nordred are their own individuals.

Acolyte Kurili


(edited for typo)

[Edited on 11-15-2003 by Kurili]

[Syberus]

Actually I did only pull her two times on that one, as that's unedited log. Other attempts did take a bit longer yes, but as many have pointed out.. no one cares because it was in the guild where GUILD WORK IS DONE.

[Karlah of Torre]

I don't think anyone is going to believe that you pulled on her twice and then three people flipped out and asked you to stop.

[Syberus]

You want another one? fine.

You crouch, sweep a leg at Eylanna and connect!
MS: +92 - MD: +72 + MAvA: +6 + d100: +82 == +108
Success!
Eylanna falls to the ground! You deftly regain your footing.

[You have 13 repetition(s) remaining.]

Roundtime: 5 sec.
[Script]>pull eyl * Lord Querthose Mallick joins the adventure.
...wait 3 seconds.
* Lady Krystallbelle Savagen joins the adventure.
[Script]>Strezze pulls Augie to her feet.
[Script]>Strezze crouches, sweeps a leg at Augie and connects!
MS: +193 - MD: +187 + MAvA: +4 + d100: +74 == +84
Failed!
Strezze whacks Augie's legs futilely! Strezze stumbles back on her feet.
[Script]>pull eylYou try to pull Eylanna to her feet, but she is too heavy.
[Script]>pull eylpull eylpull eylYou try to pull Eylanna to her feet, but she is too heavy.
pull eyl[Script]>You try to pull Eylanna to her feet, but she is too heavy.
[Script]>pull eylYou try to pull Eylanna to her feet, but she is too heavy.
[Script]>You try to pull Eylanna to her feet, but she is too heavy.
[Script]>You try to pull Eylanna to her feet, but she is too heavy.
[Script]>standYou are already standing.
[Script]>Strezze crouches, sweeps a leg at Augie and connects!
MS: +193 - MD: +187 + MAvA: +4 + d100: +87 == +97
Failed!
Strezze whacks Augie's legs futilely! Strezze stumbles back on her feet.
[Script]> * Suns returns home from a hard day of adventuring.
pull eylYou try to pull Eylanna to her feet, but she is too heavy.
sweep eylanna [Script]>Eylanna is already prone, just what are you trying to prove?
[Script]>pull eylpull eyl[Script]>pull eyl[Script]>pull eylYou try to pull Eylanna to her feet, but she is too heavy.
Ariyel removes a drake dagger from in her black leather boots.
Ariyel pops her dagger into her mouth and smiles.
You try to pull Eylanna to her feet, but she is too heavy.
[Script]>pull eylYou try to pull Eylanna to her feet, but she is too heavy.
[Script]>You try to pull Eylanna to her feet, but she is too heavy.
[Script]>You try to pull Eylanna to her feet, but she is too heavy.
[Script]>pantYou pant.
Strezze folds her arms over her chest, glancing at Augie.
Ariyel removes a drake dagger from in her black leather boots.
Ariyel pops her dagger into her mouth and smiles.
[Script]>pull eylYou try to pull Eylanna to her feet, but she is too heavy.
[Script]>pull eylpull eylYou try to pull Eylanna to her feet, but she is too heavy.
pull eyl[Script]>You try to pull Eylanna to her feet, but she is too heavy.
[Script]>pull eyl[Script]>You try to pull Eylanna to her feet, but she is too heavy.
pull eyl[Script]>You pull Eylanna to her feet.

OFMG SO MUCH SCREEN ROLL
Half of that shit is other people moving anyway

[Karlah of Torre]

I know it is where guild work is done... Since everyone there was doing guild work. You were scrolling like crazy. We were all busy. When we asked you to stop you didn't. If you would have asked for help lifting her other than saying something to the effect of "Well if you don't want me to scroll the screen like a rude prick you better drop everything your doing and pull my afk partner up. This by the way is in violation of game policy. But if you expect me to quit scrolling the screen you damn well better help me."

[Syberus]

I showed you your asking me to stop. Those were the Only actions and words that came from your mouth until you dragged my partner.

Furthermore it's been said it's not violation of policy, and thirdly I did say by all means you can help if you want.

[Karlah of Torre]

Yes thats alot of scroll. Normal people try to pull someone three time and then let them stand. If your partner can't stand because they are akf then you shouldn't be sweeping them in the first place.

[Karlah of Torre]

That was 16 pulls per rep. You can't see how that would get old really quick?

[Syberus]

Well seeing as I'm a halfling, and you don't really need to think too hard to type sweep whomever you're working with. No it's not a big deal.

[Kurili]

Not trying to stir up trouble here, but I would like to know which of us have never been called away for a few minutes unexpectedly. Whether the doorbell, kids getting into something, or just the call of nature...or the bathroom, whatever reason. I know I have asked my hunting partner to drag me along while I leave FOR A BRIEF TIME. A minute or two, I'm talking about.

And it seemed to me that Putros was the one doing the reps. Not Eylanna. So Putros is who was getting Guild advancement for those brief moments, not Eylanna.

Syberus said he reported himself, and there wasnt a problem. Other than the fact that there was screen roll...which seems to come with ANY Guild work, what exactly was the problem?

I am confused here.


Acolyte Kurili

[Karlah of Torre]

The problem was in his refusal to stop pulling on her arms 16 times for every rep. It's just common curtsy to move if your going to do that. For the most part if people are doing something that is going to cause a while lot of scroll in the guild they will move out of the center. The center of the guild is where the training master is. People go there to check their tasks and to meet up with other people for sweeping and such. If he was having such a problem pulling her up you could have moved to avoid irritating everyone in the room, waited until she was awake again and could stand on her own, or waited until we were done with what we were doing so we could have helped him. For example if you get speed reps in gambits everyone knows that it creates alot of scroll and they will move from the area. Call it common curtsy or common sense.

[Karlah of Torre]

"And it seemed to me that Putros was the one doing the reps. Not Eylanna. So Putros is who was getting Guild advancement for those brief moments, not Eylanna. "

If you help someone in the guild you get a portion of EXP.

[Syberus]

And as I had originally stated, I had no problem sweeping someone in another room. However your brutish grunting and screaming combined with your bitchy attitude and i'm better than you demeanor hardly made me want to cooperate with you. As I've shown, your asking me to stop was hardly kind, nor was Augies. You're blatant lact of respect and tact hardly moved me to be kind in return.

[Karlah of Torre]

Anyone with common courtesy wouldn’t have to be asked. I would think common sense would tell you that 16 pulls per rep was disruptive. I have said three other people were awake in the room but I forgot about Strezze. That’s four, Strezze folder her arms, Augie was more vocal, I made it clear it was disruptive, and I’m pretty sure Ariyel said something also. But I don’t have the log so that could have been after I dragged your partner off. Anyway… that’s four frickin people that didn’t have any relation to each other all irritated by the same thing… namely you.

[Syberus]

That's really odd... because everyone else agrees with me... and thinks you're retarded. Why don't you just let it go and let the thread die before you lose any more face?

[Karlah of Torre]

LOL
oh ya well my dad is stronger than your dad and everyone likes me better? Ya I think it’s about time to end this thread.

[Syberus]

Who's your dad? I could probably take him :saint:

[Karlah of Torre]

I was poking fun at your previous post.

[Sean]

whose everyone?

[Syberus]

and I was poking fun at you. Gonna cut my leg off?

[Artha]

Augie whispers, "It's against policy for you to be sweeping her while she is afk"

For a mentor, she sure doesn't know much about policy.

[Sean]

actually if you wanna get technical .. shes gainin exp by getting swept for reps.. and if shes using rest mode it is against policy


from policy 18:
In addition, =any= activity that allows you to gain =new= experience while using Rest Mode may result in a warning.

[HarmNone]

Unless policy has been changed, Tijay is right. :)

HarmNone

[Artha]

actually if you wanna get technical .. shes gainin exp by getting swept for reps.. and if shes using rest mode it is against policy

Actually...he was sweeping her for reps, so there's no exp gain by her.

[Sean]

yes she does if hes getting reps

[Karlah of Torre]

The person being swept gets 10 exp per rep you get from them.

[Syberus]

I guess the gods could take away the 30 exp she got from it.. but they probably don't give a rat's ass.

[Edaarin]

You get 10 exp per for partner reps (modified 20% down for each stance below gld stance offensive you are).

A couple years ago before we could gld stance and it was hard to get partner reps as you got older (like a year after the guild first opened) a buddy of mine had like 50 sweep ranks, and was a relatively low level, so he'd just sit in the courtyard and go to bed, and his (act snores softly) message was (act holds a sign up saying, feel free to sweep me). He'd wake up with 10k exp more than he went to sleep with.

Yes, he got in trouble for it, but they didn't take away the exp he got or anything. So in answer, doing it that way is sort of an abuse of the system, doing it while someone goes AFK for a few minutes depends on who's watching.

But screen scroll is a bitch.

[Artha]

Ah, ok. Never noticed that.

[Karlah of Torre]

"I guess the gods could take away the 30 exp she got from it.. but they probably don't give a rat's ass."

The point is you were in violation of policy. And you were disruptive. The fact that they don't give a rats ass is the same reason why Vif can be OOC all the time and people can walk around with names like Supersnugglebunnyassfluffer Tumpychops. That doesn't make you right.

[spelling]

[Edited on 11-15-2003 by Karlah of Torre]

[Edaarin]

You might just have to give this argument up. You're in the wrong here, and you're getting defensive about it.

[Moist Happenings]

Originally posted by Artha

Augie whispers, "It's against policy for you to be sweeping her while she is afk"

For a mentor, she sure doesn't know much about policy.

First of all, Mentors aren't about policy. Mentors are about helping newbies. Granted, it doesn't hurt to know about policy, but doing ANYTHING afk, whether it's sweeping or being swept can be a grey area, so it's easy to mistake what was going on for being against policy.

[Moist Happenings]

Additionally, I second what Edaarin just said. Additionally beyond that: You're an idiot, Karlah.

[Karlah of Torre]

"You might just have to give this argument up. You're in the wrong here, and you're getting defensive about it. "

who?

[Snapp]

Originally posted by Karlah of Torre
and people can walk around with names like Supersnugglebunnyassfluffer Tumpychops.

:lol:

[Karlah of Torre]

How am I an idiot? I have shown that he was in violation of policy and three other people besides myself wanted him to stop. He even posted the log where he tried pulling someone up 16 times in a matter of seconds.

[Soulpieced]

Stupid rogues.

[Blosum]

Originally posted by Karlah of Torre
How am I an idiot? I have shown that he was in violation of policy and three other people besides myself wanted him to stop. He even posted the log where he tried pulling someone up 16 times in a matter of seconds.

If he was having such a hard time picking the other one up, and three others were sitting there, why did you not just help him?

That would of stopped the scrolling and he would been done. It is the guild, you go there to do reps.

I know in the warrior guild everyone helps eachother. Scrolling can not be helped even if the other person was not afk. Ever see someone bash a box?

[Karlah of Torre]

"If he was having such a hard time picking the other one up, and three others were sitting there, why did you not just help him?"

Who said we were just sitting there? If you read the other posts in the folder you will see that all of us were engaged in guild work at the time.

[HarmNone]

There is a point being made here. If you see someone abusing policy, it is not your job to act as the policy police. That job belongs to the GMs, not to the players.

If it really bothers you all that much, Report the abuse. Otherwise, just pull the bugger up and go on about your business. That way, you stop the scroll, which is what seems to have been bothering you in the first place. :)

HarmNone

[Dighn Darkbeam]

If he was having such a hard time picking the other one up, and three others were sitting there, why did you not just help him? >>

My guess? She would of just fell over again a couple seconds later.
...Teach a man to fish..

[Karlah of Torre]

"Ever see someone bash a box?"
Ever see people get upset when someone bashes a box in an area where allot of other people are trying to get work done? Almost any warrior I know will go to a quiet place like a table to bash. I said it before; I don't see why four people doing the right thing should have to drop their training for someone who is being disruptive.

[HarmNone]

Originally posted by Karlah of Torre
"Ever see someone bash a box?"
Ever see people get upset when someone bashes a box in an area where allot of other people are trying to get work done? Almost any warrior I know will go to a quiet place like a table to bash. I said it before; I don't see why four people doing the right thing should have to drop their training for someone who is being disruptive.

I agree, in principle. However, the thing to do is Report the screen scroll. It is not within the perview of players to police other players. :)

HarmNone

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by Blosum
I know in the warrior guild everyone helps eachother. Scrolling can not be helped even if the other person was not afk. Ever see someone bash a box?

Guess that's the difference between warriors and rogues, eh? :)


Originally posted by Soulpieced
Stupid rogues.

[Karlah of Torre]

"I agree, in principle. However, the thing to do is Report the screen scroll. It is not within the perview of players to police other players."

I agree but is a player I would rather resolve something in character first. I think people overuse report and warn. I feel that that is like running to mom and dad and telling. If something is disruptive and can't be resolved in character then a report would be valid. I thought moving his AFK partner over a room was a better solution then reporting him right off the bat. If I had reported first there is a good chance I would be labeled just as much of a "bitch" as I have been for dragging.

[spelling]

[Edited on 11-15-2003 by Karlah of Torre]

[Blosum]

[quote]Originally posted by Karlah of Torre
"Ever see people get upset when someone bashes a box in an area where allot of other people are trying to get work done? Almost any warrior I know will go to a quiet place like a table to bash.

Actually no, I have never seen anyone get upset, but I did see others offer boxes to help get your reps done.

[HarmNone]

Originally posted by Karlah of Torre
I agree but is a player I would rather resolve something in character first. I think people overuse report and warn. I feel that that is like running to mom and dad and telling. If something is disruptive and can't be resolved in character then a report would be valid. I thought moving his AFK partner over a room was a better solution then reporting him right off the bat. If I had reported first there is a good chance I would be labeled just as much of a "bitch" as I have been for dragging.

[spelling]

[Edited on 11-15-2003 by Karlah of Torre]

Heh. You may be right that you would have been damned if you did and damned if you did not. However, once you asked that the troublesome scrolling be stopped, and the player refused to desist, the RIGHT thing to do was report. Moving the "sleeping" player was tantamount to an effort to police the situation. The GMs will tell you that this is not within your perview as a player. That is what I am trying to say. :)

HarmNone

[Sean]

Originally posted by Blosum
[quote]Originally posted by Karlah of Torre
"Ever see people get upset when someone bashes a box in an area where allot of other people are trying to get work done? Almost any warrior I know will go to a quiet place like a table to bash.

Actually no, I have never seen anyone get upset, but I did see others offer boxes to help get your reps done.


interesting .. ive never seen anyone just offer up boxes for reps without the warrior first asking for their help

[Karlah of Torre]

I see your point. Still as a player I try to resolve things at the lowest level.

[HarmNone]

Originally posted by Karlah of Torre
I see your point. Still as a player I try to resolve things at the lowest level.

I hear ya, hon. Would that all could understand and work with one another to make things work the way they should, and the way most of us wish they would.

Problem is, too many people when asked to cease behaviors that are either disruptive or against policy find it necessary to escalate the behavior just because they "can". That is why the GMs prefer that players do not try to handle these things themselves. It too often ends in PvP.

HarmNone wishes it were not so, but recognizes that it will not change :(

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by HarmNone
HarmNone wishes it were not so, but recognizes that it will not change :(

Not with that attitude. :D ;)

[Rastaman]

Originally posted by Syberus
That's really odd... because everyone else agrees with me... and thinks you're retarded. Why don't you just let it go and let the thread die before you lose any more face?

I dont agree with you.

[HarmNone]

Originally posted by Latrinsorm

Originally posted by HarmNone
HarmNone wishes it were not so, but recognizes that it will not change :(

Not with that attitude. :D ;)

Heh. Sorry, but my attitude will not change that of those who would wish to make life miserable for others. If it would, I would still be playing. ;)

HarmNone

*edited to remove a partial thought that did not belong...anywhere :D*

[Edited on 11-15-2003 by HarmNone]

[GSLeloo]

Originally posted by Karlah of Torre
I guess it did happen. That was her, not me. I didn't call for anyone’s help and if you don't see that you were being disruptive then... well I guess that’s it. I’m not going to spend two weeks going back and forth with someone can’t recognize when they are wrong. I’ll keep my distance from your character whenever possible you can do the same and I don’t think there will be any problems. Leloo, I’m sorry your feelings got hurt when I didn’t talk to you. I’ll try to devote my undivided attention to you if I’m ever in your presence again. :)

That's quite alright, I'd rather have as little contact with you as possible. Just saying, at least Lahanna had spirit and was funny and a lot nicer and friendly than you've been.

[Edaarin]

I was referring to Syberus in my earlier post about giving it up, but I think that it could have been handled a lot better on both sides. This is just one of those cases where everyone except me is wrong.

[Karlah of Torre]

"That's quite alright, I'd rather have as little contact with you as possible. Just saying, at least Lahanna had spirit and was funny and a lot nicer and friendly than you've been. "

What have I done to you that was unfriendly? Nordred introduced us I smiled and said hello... did you want a floor show?

[Tendarian]

What have I done to you that was unfriendly? Nordred introduced us I smiled and said hello... did you want a floor show?

Yes please. Also if you could wear some nice clothes and have a choreographed dance in mind it could help.

[Karlah of Torre]

I have some nice shoes and a dress I never get to wear I'll see if I can't make it happen. ::smirk::

[Karlah of Torre]

By the way I think it's extremely out of character for you to get pissed at me because I got into it with one of your husbands other characters. Leloo had nothing to do with any of this so why would she be pissed at Karlah?

[GSLeloo]

First of all, if someone treats your husband like crap, doesn't make you like them. Second of all, the moment I met you I didn't really like you. I admit that the fact was, I'm loyal to lahanna and wanted her to be my mother but still, it's not like you were a great friendly person. So why would I like you?

[Karlah of Torre]

Well your husband was in the wrong. I didn't treat you any way but nice. You and Putros are perfect for each other. I think I successfully defended myself so I don’t see any other reason to keep this going. Daina, your wish is my command. It’s dropped.

[Sean]

just one quick clarification for my own personal information .. i thought leloo was married to syberus not putros

[GSLeloo]

I am married to Syberus. She just said putros cause it's his other character and the one he had a problem with.

[Sean]

heh

[isenghar]

i think i've discovered the "lynch pin" if you will to this entire discussion..

people are upset over nothing.

syberus, i see your point of view, you were just trying to do guild work, she was heavy, you weren't INTENTIONALLY causing screen scroll, and what scroll there wasn't too bad.

however i can see the counter-point too. you could have gone to the next room over and done it there with the same affect without annoying those people.

bottomline is, this entire thing seems like such a non-issue that it scares me you guys feel nessessary to post 7 pages of witless banter over it

[Rastaman]

My question is how does one RP a pirate when you're never on a ship?

[Syberus]

You have to be on a ship to be a pirate?

[Rastaman]

Pirate: One who robs at sea or plunders the land from the sea without commission from a sovereign nation

Unless you're one of those land pirates otherwise known as common crooks.

[Warriorbird]

Yeesh. If someone is being so annoying, why further the situation by legging them? I can understand how it'd be frustrating, but then getting involved in PvP with them over a rather pathetic insult?

Sounds like Syberus was being a pain in the rear and Karlah just made it worse after.

[Kurili]

Oh, Putros RPs having a boat. You dont SEE the boat, but then one doesnt SEE your irl co-workers boat either, unless you're at the docks.

My girl had a lot of fun with Putros the Pirate and other folks the other day. She had no trouble believing he had a boat.

Acolyte Kurili

[Rastaman]

I could RP that I own an airship, but that doesn't make it logical.

[HarmNone]

Originally posted by Rastaman
I could RP that I own an airship, but that doesn't make it logical.

Why would it be illogical for a pirate to own a ship?:?:

HarmNone thinks that is pretty logical

[Rastaman]

It's illogical for pirate to own a ship but never be on it.

[Kurili]

There are docks in Wehnimers. I would assume the pirate is on his boat doing pirate things when he's somewhere my girls dont see him. Even pirates come ashore. How is that any stretch at all?

Acolyte Kurili

[HarmNone]

Well, it could be surmised that when the player is not playing the character in-game, that character is sailing the high seas in search of treasure, no?

Incidentally, it is not any more far-fetched for a character to roleplay owning an airship. The GMs, in allowing airships, opened the door for that one. ;)

HarmNone

[GSLeloo]

I think we're (he's) just looking for places to nitpick. It's illogical to assume that pirates are always on the sea. It's good RP for him to say he has a boat, it's in blah blah port and when he leaves he's cruising the seas. What's illogical about it?

[Rastaman]

Fine you're right it makes perfect sense. All pirates have invisible ships that they only go out on for a few hours a day, coming to shore to see all the people they robbed while out at sea that day.

[HarmNone]

I would not be so harsh as to say that Rastaman is looking for things to "nitpick". It is just that people sometimes forget that this is a fantasy game, not a reality game, and that characters are leading lives even when their players are not occupying them. ;)

[HarmNone]

Ummm...unless the character takes you to see the boat in question and it is not there, there is no way you, as your character, would know there is not a boat. Ergo, how can your CHARACTER say the boat is invisible?

GemStone is a fantasy game. It utilizes imagination as a tool. There is no inherent wrong in a player IMAGINING that his character owns a boat. As long as he does not take your character to see it, there is no break in the fantasy.

HarmNone

[Rastaman]

My character is actually king of a distant land and when I log off he actually goes there and sits in the throne.

[HarmNone]

Originally posted by Rastaman
My character is actually king of a distant land and when I log off he actually goes there and sits in the throne.

That, too, is possible in a fantasy roleplaying environment. When one puts too many limits on fantasy roleplay, it ceases to be fantasy and loses much of its charm. :)

HarmNone

[GSLeloo]

I could say my character is the daughter of a distant king but because of an invasion her father was killed and she had to hide in Landing or face being killed. As long as you RP it and don't make it like "I have a video game at my house", something that fits the time, it's fine.

[Kurili]

Your character may be a King Rastaman, but my character isnt bowing to you. Not that she wont believe that he is a King, mind you. She just wont consider him to be HER King.

Acolyte Kurili

[Rastaman]

Thats fine because the millions of residents who live in my distant land bow to me all the time. By the way I fly to my distant land in my Airship.

[HarmNone]

Fine by me, Rastaman. My characters, if I still played, would have found no difficulty in believing you. One or two might have asked for a ride in the airship, but would have grudgingly accepted that it is a one-man airship. ;)

HarmNone

[GSLeloo]

It's RP. do you not like it or something? I mean, some people don't. The same people that think the RPing pregnancy is annoying (I'm right there with you) and other stuff like that. It's your preference and if you're against it, then I do understand.

[Kurili]

Just out of curiousity Rastaman, what is your particular RP? It seems pirates would not be for you. I'm assuming you'd find my Faendryl's ties to Ta'Faendryl just as hokey, and my Halfling's Wishinboro Shire home equally ridiculous. So what do you Roleplay your characters to be?

Acolyte Kurili

[Rastaman]

An airship captain.

[JustMe]

Originally posted by Rastaman
An airship captain.

You forgot Asshole...

[Caiylania]

I actually like this idea, I hadn't thought of it that way before. I would love to RP having a horse. Perhaps one day GS will get them. But would it hurt to RP that?

(Caiylania sits down next to -friendname- and tries to clean off her boots. The smell of horses and leather are faintly present on her clothing.)

Caiylania says," Sorry I'm late, my horse almost dumped me on the way back in to town. Some merchant's silver tent scared the crap out of him."

[JustMe]

That would be nice if you took the smell out of it... some people wouldn't know what that smell is...

[Caiylania]

Originally posted by JustMe
That would be nice if you took the smell out of it... some people wouldn't know what that smell is...

Well it would be something I work on :) That is just what popped into my head at the moment. Though I think that in the age GS is set in, everyone knows what horses smell like. But I will keep experience related implyments out of it.

[GSLeloo]

Originally posted by Caiylania

Originally posted by JustMe
That would be nice if you took the smell out of it... some people wouldn't know what that smell is...

Well it would be something I work on :) That is just what popped into my head at the moment. Though I think that in the age GS is set in, everyone knows what horses smell like. But I will keep experience related implyments out of it.

If you actually wanted to do it, I think you can definetly do the horse smell. It's almost an automatic smell that you know. And in that time period, not only would everyone know but the smell would probably be reminded all over the town.

[Sean]

why would i know what a horse smells like?


>[City Stables, Stalls]
Soft whinnying, snorting, and the stamping of hooves resound throughout the stables. Stablehands are constantly on the move, fetching fresh horses for the travelling merchants, messengers, or guards who board their steeds here. The stalls are clean and well-tended, and the horses seem content with their lots in life here in the Landing. You also see a low gate, a sluice down the center of the floor carrying off dirty water and a pile of hay.
Obvious exits: out

[Caramia]

The thing is, scrolling is a policy violation, and policy violations are an OOC thing. So dealing with it IC, while it might be laudible from a roleplaying point ov view, often winds up being fruitless when the person violating policy/being OOC fails to be courteous.

[Weedmage Princess]

I don't know, I was under the impression Karlah legged him for calling her a "wench."

I agree, Syberus should have moved to another room. Especially if you're sweeping an AFK person (which IS against policy) why would you want to risk someone seeing it and reporting it?

I don't agree with Karlah dragging the person away, I think she could have been a little nicer, maybe ask him to move..or move herself...

I think you're both wrong. Karlah, you can't go dragging people off and expecting no problems. Syberus, try being a little considerate of other people...if you're going to sweep people while they're afk and pull them up...either A) wait a bit in between so you aren't scrolling or B) Move.

[GuildRat]

Bullshit....screen roll is a part of Rogue Guild life, live with it. If Karlah doesn't like it she can go be a fucking wizard, sorcerer, cleric or empath...where the guilds have no skills and no one studying them.

Had she pulled that shit with me there, she'd have died and rotted. I don't care if I'm interrupting her fucking Oprah time...she can kiss my lil elven ass. SHE can move to another room if it bothers her panty-waste ass.

And as for halflings pulling up larger races? Excuse the fucking hidden rolls that keep the smaller races from pulling humans and giantkin up(or any other race for that matter).

As far as I'm concerned the rogue's guild courtyard is for training, not for conversing...so Karlah can go hump a hobgoblin if she thinks it's rude to actually train in a TRAINING area.

[StrayRogue]

I totally agree. When you have to do speed reps the scroll can become tremendous. Imagine three sets of people all doing various training at once...it can get a little messy. But as GuildRat said, its for training, not chatting. Sure talk there, but don't stop people training JUST to talk.

[Weedmage Princess]

I'm actually going to check something because I don't want to pretend I'm certain when I'm really not..but I do believe, like Caramia said, scrolling IS a violation of policy. If you are working with an AFK giant...or any other race..and you're a halfling trying to pull them up, you're going to have many goes at it before you get the person up. That's a lot of scroll that has NOTHING to do with guildwork (cause the person should be there anyway to do their work..if they aren't..they shouldn't be doing it..the whole afk policy violation thing) ...and it is damn inconsiderate. But hey, do what you wanna do. Hopefully you won't do it around someone who won't say anything to you...just type to see if a GM is in the game and report your ass...heh.

**edited to add that while the guild IS for guildwork, you'll notice the courtyards are pretty big, with quite a few rooms branching off from where the Guildmaster is. I don't want to speak for GMs or anyone here...but I've always assumed that all that other space in the guild would be a much more appropiate place to do my guildwork, especially things that would cause screen scroll...as opposed to making someone have to scroll up their monitor to find what instructions Deluca/Runaire/whoever has given them.

And yes, I do have a rogue, and no, I don't do my reps in front of the trainer if other people are around.


[Edited on 11-17-2003 by Weedmage Princess]

[Moist Happenings]

Just out of curiousity Rastaman, what is your particular RP? It seems pirates would not be for you. I'm assuming you'd find my Faendryl's ties to Ta'Faendryl just as hokey, and my Halfling's Wishinboro Shire home equally ridiculous. So what do you Roleplay your characters to be?

Acolyte Kurili


If rastaman is who I think he is, he roleplays his characters a lot like Rorac. Except nobody has respect for them at all. At least Rorac has a couple fanboys.

[Edited on 11-17-2003 by Neff]

[Rastaman]

I dont do anything like Rorac. I hunt all day long.

[Moist Happenings]

Then you probably aren't who I think you are. My mistake.

[Karlah of Torre]

"Had she pulled that shit with me there, she'd have died and rotted. I don't care if I'm interrupting her fucking Oprah time...she can kiss my lil elven ass. SHE can move to another room if it bothers her panty-waste ass.

And as for halflings pulling up larger races? Excuse the fucking hidden rolls that keep the smaller races from pulling humans and giantkin up(or any other race for that matter).

As far as I'm concerned the rogue's guild courtyard is for training, not for conversing...so Karlah can go hump a hobgoblin if she thinks it's rude to actually train in a TRAINING area."

I wasn’t having opera time. Everyone there was doing guild work… for the millionth time. His partner was AFK and gaining EXP which was proven against policy regardless if the gods acted on it or not. The screen scroll was so bad that all four of the other awake people in the room indicated in some way that he should stop. When he wouldn’t stop, I moved his AFK partner. As to the hidden rolls, he was well aware of the fact that he was a Halfling, if he was going to train with an AFK partner which your not supposed to do anyway he could have done it in a corner of the guild that wouldn’t drive everyone else trying to train up the walls. Common consideration. I find nothing wrong with people training in the guild, I’m a master of gambits and getting close with sweep, I help people all day long in the guild. I just expect people over the age of twelve to use consideration for others and I don’t find it necessary for people to resort to petty name calling if things don’t go their way. I really did want to let this die…

[Moist Happenings]

You'd rather resort to violence if things don't go your way?

[Skirmisher]

Unless there is more yet untold, thats the way it seems.

[Karlah of Torre]

I tried words first.

[Moist Happenings]

Unless there's an alternate log that you have to offer, the "words" you tried weren't all that great.

[Moist Happenings]

Are you saying that if you walk into a room, I notice you're a rogue and say something like "Don't steal from me." to you, then you steal from me, and in return I stun you, remove all of your limbs and bloodburst you, and leave you stunned there to bleed to death, you wouldn't bitch? (This is completely unrelated to the situation, i'm just curious)

[Karlah of Torre]

"Are you saying that if you walk into a room, I notice you're a rogue and say something like "Don't steal from me." to you, then you steal from me, and in return I stun you, remove all of your limbs and bloodburst you, and leave you stunned there to bleed to death, you wouldn't bitch? (This is completely unrelated to the situation, i'm just curious)"

I stated in an earlier post that I don't bitch about the repercussions of stealing. I have made a few friends by roll-playing a caught thief well. I like it better if you use dialog first but if they have the strength to kill me and I steal from them that’s my own dumb fault right? Just the risk of being a thief.

[Spelling]

[Edited on 11-17-2003 by Karlah of Torre]

[Jolena]

Yeah Neff, honestly..if someone tells you don't steal from me, you do it anyway and you get your ass handed to you.. then yeah, you're at fault and you should take it as a lesson learned.

[Quitter]

Ahahhahha rastaman

He's right

Pirating is illegal anyway, according to any nation's law, his "ship" would be blown to pieces in a matter of second (or maelstorm, fireball, whatever)

[Moist Happenings]

Originally posted by Karlah of Torre
I stated in an earlier post that I don't bitch about the repercussions of stealing. I have made a few friends by roll-playing a caught thief well. I like it better if you use dialog first but if they have the strength to kill me and I still from them that’s my own dumb fault right? Just the risk of being a thief.

I like it better if you use dialog first

Karlah just arrived.

DeLuca assays Karlah with a critical eye and says, "Let's find you something to do to earn a rank in Sweep." DeLuca gives Karlah some instructions.

Karlah asks, "Could I sweep somebody?"

Karlah squints at you.

You glance at Karlah

Karlah says, "Me next"

Karlah exclaims, "Putros!

Karlah grabs XXXXXX and tries to drag her, but she doesn't budge.

Where exactly, might I ask, is the dialog in that?

[Moist Happenings]

Originally posted by Quitter
Ahahhahha rastaman

He's right

Pirating is illegal anyway, according to any nation's law, his "ship" would be blown to pieces in a matter of second (or maelstorm, fireball, whatever)

Well, REAL pirates found ways to get into port somehow you know. They did need supplies and crew. Perhaps his ship was anchored somewhere offshore, and not docked?

[Karlah of Torre]

What does that have to do with stealing?

[Moist Happenings]

Nothing. I was getting back on topic.

But you apply a different set of rules to stealing?

[Edited on 11-17-2003 by Neff]

[Karlah of Torre]

Oh and the dialog was coming from the four other awake people in the room that were asking him to stop in between everything I did.

[Quitter]

Originally posted by Neff

Originally posted by Quitter
Ahahhahha rastaman

He's right

Pirating is illegal anyway, according to any nation's law, his "ship" would be blown to pieces in a matter of second (or maelstorm, fireball, whatever)

Well, REAL pirates found ways to get into port somehow you know. They did need supplies and crew. Perhaps his ship was anchored somewhere offshore, and not docked?


In north africa, maybe

In western europe, i doubt it.

Life was hard being a pirate, very hard.

And a pirate ship without cannons? ah!

Anyway, some RP go really too far

[Moist Happenings]

Okay, so after your "dialog" with Putros, you dragged his partner out of the room. This may or may not have been acceptable. I wasn't there.

You attacking him was in direct response to him calling you a wench, was it not?

Where was the dialog in that situation?

[Moist Happenings]

Or am I mistaken, and you were simply attacking him because dragging his partner out of the room wasn't enough?

[Quitter]

When i was a high level rogue, i had very few guild rep done

So i went, and there i ask people to let me do sweeping to them.

With my 250+ ms with so few ranks, people WERE accepting the scrolling i made

I made a lot.

GS is a game of power, people will abuse you if you are too weak, just accept that

[Karlah of Torre]

We were dealing with him for about four or five minutes at that point. I think everyone’s patience with him was at its limit. I’ll agree that attacking is no worse than name calling but he provoked my character, you could say I provoked his by pulling his partner away, and I could say he provoked that by being inconsiderate. Blagh blagh blagh point is PvP is rarely a good solution and I know that. It sure did seem like he was doing everything in his power to drive it in that direction though.

[Moist Happenings]

Originally posted by Quitter

Originally posted by Neff

Originally posted by Quitter
Ahahhahha rastaman

He's right

Pirating is illegal anyway, according to any nation's law, his "ship" would be blown to pieces in a matter of second (or maelstorm, fireball, whatever)

Well, REAL pirates found ways to get into port somehow you know. They did need supplies and crew. Perhaps his ship was anchored somewhere offshore, and not docked?


In north africa, maybe

In western europe, i doubt it.

Life was hard being a pirate, very hard.

And a pirate ship without cannons? ah!

Anyway, some RP go really too far

Well, even in Europe there were safe havens for pirates. A lot of the ports in the Mediterranean were friendly depending on who you were a pirate for.

Perhaps Putros has a Letter of Marque from the Mayor of Wehnimer's. :P

[Moist Happenings]

Originally posted by Karlah of Torre
We were dealing with him for about four or five minutes at that point. I think everyone’s patience with him was at its limit. I’ll agree that attacking is no worse than name calling but he provoked my character, you could say I provoked his by pulling his partner away, and I could say he provoked that by being inconsiderate. Blagh blagh blagh point is PvP is rarely a good solution and I know that. It sure did seem like he was doing everything in his power to drive it in that direction though.

Everything in his power?

I read through that entire log.

He was being annoying in your eyes, and then he called you a wench. How exactly else did he "drive it in that direction"? I suppose if your character is ever rude to mine in any way it's acceptable for me to kill you? because your one comment drove me to kill you?

[Moist Happenings]

Also, speaking of against policy, I believe it was illegal for you to chase him down after he insulted you and left(which you did, by moving to another room to attack him), and ambush him without ANY warning whatsoever. Flinging insults for decent reason is acceptable. Chasing someone down and taking their leg off is not.

[Quitter]

Neff, you're talking in the late 17th century.

Letter of marque were made for the reasons you surely know

With what nations is the landing in war with?

Piracy (correct me if i'm wrong) was highly made when America was founded, since there were A LOT of trading made.

To remain on the topic, I would had done exactly what the girly did

scrolling is shit, and when you can make someone stop by removing his limb, too bad for him

[Karlah of Torre]

I don't have the whole log and he never posted the whole thing. Like I said he was disruptive for about four to five minutes when I couldn't take it anymore I drug his partner. Look at the reaction he posted from Augie, some people in here don't like her but she is still a reasonable person. Nobody would get that upset if he was being as harmless as he was making it out to be. He didn't even post the reactions of the other two people in the room. Yelling Wench across the whole guild was the straw that broke the camels back. So no If your character randomly walked up to Karlah with no prior interaction and called her a wench she wouldn’t whip out her sword and cut off your leg. She would ask what your problem was maybe sneer at you a bit or spit at your boots.

[Moist Happenings]

Firstly, I like Augie.

Secondly, what you're saying is this: Your reasoning for killing a character in an IC manner was due to the fact that you were OOCly annoyed by his OOC screen scroll? Yes?

Oh, and Quitter, two things:

First, late 17th century, late 15th century, pirates are still pirates. It can work, is all i'm sayin'.

And second, to deal with her problem with him annoying her, she dragged his partner out of the room. That was maybe an acceptable means of dealing with him being annoying. But BEYOND That, she attacked him because he called her a wench.

Now maybe that was "rude", but maybe that's how he RPs. I personally don't have any problem with him. He stays in character. What Karlah has just said suggests to me that she killed him for partially an IC matter, and mostly an OOC one. Is that really acceptable?

If we're talking strictly policy, it isn't. Neither of her reasons stand up against the policy.

If you got pulled up to talk to a GM, and they said "we saw you kill that guy"

And your excuse was "he called me a wench". Do you think they'd side with you?

Or if your excuse was "he was scrolling.". Do you think they'd side with you?

I don't think so, but maybe i'm wrong.

[Karlah of Torre]

I didn't kill anyone I targeted his leg for a reason.

[Moist Happenings]

Originally posted by Karlah of Torre
I didn't kill anyone I targeted his leg for a reason.

Karlah leaps from hiding to attack!
Karlah swings a veniom-hafted silvery rolaren waraxe at you!
AS: +283 vs DS: +42 with AvD: +41 + d100 roll: +19 = +301
... and hits for 93 points of damage!
Your left hip is pulped, severing your leg.
You fall screaming to the ground grasping your mangled left leg!
You are stunned for 12 rounds!

Okay, Halflings have a base maximum health of 100, yes? You did 93 points of damage to him, and stunned him for 12 rounds. Did you stick around and unstun him after this? It is absolutely possible that he could have died from your attack. In fact, it would be very easy for him to have died from your attack. And I have no doubt that if you had killed him, you would be taking the exact same stance on the situation as you are now. Am I correct in that thinking?

EDIT: Forgot a word.

[Edited on 11-17-2003 by Neff]

[Jolena]

I have to disagree with you Neff. However I also disagree with Kariah. Yes, scrolling is a annoying thing.. yes sweeping an AFK partner, no matter how long she was afk ( a minute or an hour) is against policy.. and yes, dragging his partner off was out of line. It is not her business to deal with something the GM's should be doing. She should have reported it and had it dealt with. However.. be that as it may.. when he did call her character a wench, she was in her right to leg him. We deal with people we don't like all the time. Her character as she has said in the past is a aggressive, I dont' take bullshit type character. She deals with someone who insults her by taking their leg off and that's not for us to say whether it's wrong or right. When you interact with someone you have to take a risk, just as you would in any realms, real or fantasy. If she had killed him, yes in my characters opinion that would be extreme, but to her character maybe not. Either way it is all a RP that each particular character does and I sincerely doubt a GM if asked about that situation would side with either party. They would most likely tell them to stay away from each other if they want this conflict to end or to ingore/report/assist.

[Moist Happenings]

Well Jolena, I completely understand where you're coming from, and I feel the exact same way.

I was just speaking strictly in terms of policy, because earlier in this thread, some people had been speaking strictly in terms of policy it was not legal to sweep someone if they're AFK. However, it is generally accepted by the GMs and players alike that situations like "be right back, the phone is ringing", are okay to let slide.

[Karlah of Torre]

I moved his partner because five minutes was enough I wasn't going to put up with six. My character legged him because of his actions in the previous five minutes and calling her a wench. If he hadn’t yelled wench I wouldn't have bothered with him anymore. He inconvenienced everyone in the area so I made him see an empath. He was back in about two minutes and took my characters leg. At that point other people reacted to him and I just let it go. The scrolling and his reaction are difficult to label IC or OOC. How should we have reacted to his scrolling and the fact that he refused to stop? Should four people have moved to another location because of one person who was disruptive and violating policy? Should we have kept it only in whispers? Our character could see him yanking on her arms over and over so that makes it in character. I think it walks the line because most of the annoyance initially was from the amount of scroll he was generating and since our character could see it and it wasn’t just formulas it was an IC annoyance. His reactions were heard by our character so that was also IC.

[Moist Happenings]

No. Four people should have reported the problem, not taken an OOC matter into their own hands, which three of them did not. When the facts come out, Karlah, you are in the wrong. Augie is not in the wrong, nor was anyone else there. Putros was being annoying to you in an OOC manner(Not a manner in which he himself went OOC, of course). That's a given. That isn't any reason to kill him.

EDIT: Missed a word again.

[Edited on 11-17-2003 by Neff]

[Jolena]

I agree that the annoyance perceived by everyone else involved was most definately IC, however, dealing with it should have been taken up with GM's. That is where I think that you didn't respond correctly. It is for this particular reason that those policies and guidelines are set up. Because in most any situation that this is present, taking it into your own hands will result in confusion and nothing gets resolved.

[Moist Happenings]

...Furthermore, is this topic shrinking? The pages were all futzed up for me for a minute. My last two posts were on page 10, now they're on 9. I'm confused.

[Karlah of Torre]

Also I stated this before but I try to resolve things at the character level if at all possible. I think people use Report and Warn for the most part if they are too lazy to work it out with the person IC. I don't want people to get the impression that I walk around cruising for people to attack. The last person I attacked was over a year ago. I do however think that as things escalate eventually PvP may be appropriate. I guess it also has to do with how you react to injury and death in GS3. There are very few of us that scream bloody murder if a critter injures us. And scream the whole way home and wallow in agony on the ground in TSC. It's not practical for everyone with any kind of injury to complain about it at all times. As a result, getting your leg chopped off in Gemstone holds a different level of significance than if your leg got chopped off in real life. He limped up to an empath and less than two minutes later was more than able to take my leg right back.

[Moist Happenings]

If you honestly wanted to "resolve things at the character level" with him, you could have very well followed him and RP'd it out. The fact that you followed him and chopped his leg off was where you were wrong.

All I want is for you to admit that in chasing him down and attacking him without warning, you were in the wrong. Then I can drop it. All you have to stand on now is "he called me wench". The spam issue had been solved when he left the room after you dragged his partner out. Had it not?

I challenge you to assist and get a referral, then ask a GM whether or not it is acceptable for you to chase down and leg someone for calling you a wench, who in no way previously initiated any sort of PvP with you, and did nothing but leave the area.

[Jolena]

I completely understand not wanting to be known as the person who warns and reports needlessly..however in this particular case it was probably the smartest route to take. I am not by any means saying your character was not justified taking his leg off. My character would have reacted much in the same manner. And I do agree that injuries and death in GS are a tad bit less significant then in RL. However, fact remains that if you are upset with another character for violating policy (ie. sweeping an afk person) and for scrolling (which is both an OOC matter and also IC as far as the annoyance your character feels) it is almost always best ot take it up with the GM's. If all four people had reported Putros after asking him to stop and getting no response, most likely this would not have gone so far. If he had called you a wench after htat then hell yes, leg him. Point being though that policy remains for a reason and can be used to your advantage in a situation such as the one presented.

[Moist Happenings]

Jolena, you make a lot of good points, but let me just ask you one thing.

If you go to a farm market, and you see some guy having trouble lifting a sack of potatoes, is that annoying to you?

So how is Putros having trouble lifting his partner annoying to Karlah's character?

[Jolena]

Originally posted by Neff
If you honestly wanted to "resolve things at the character level" with him, you could have very well followed him and RP'd it out. The fact that you followed him and chopped his leg off was where you were wrong.

All I want is for you to admit that in chasing him down and attacking him without warning, you were in the wrong. Then I can drop it. All you have to stand on now is "he called me wench". The spam issue had been solved when he left the room after you dragged his partner out. Had it not?

I challenge you to assist and get a referral, then ask a GM whether or not it is acceptable for you to chase down and leg someone for calling you a wench, who in no way previously initiated any sort of PvP with you, and did nothing but leave the area.

I don't agree. Calling someone a wench does in fact initiate PvP if that particular character's RP is to resort to violence after being insulted. As I stated earlier, you take risks. If her character, as my own would, resorts to legging him for insulting her then she was not wrong at all.

[Quitter]

Originally posted by Jolena

Originally posted by Neff
If you honestly wanted to "resolve things at the character level" with him, you could have very well followed him and RP'd it out. The fact that you followed him and chopped his leg off was where you were wrong.

All I want is for you to admit that in chasing him down and attacking him without warning, you were in the wrong. Then I can drop it. All you have to stand on now is "he called me wench". The spam issue had been solved when he left the room after you dragged his partner out. Had it not?

I challenge you to assist and get a referral, then ask a GM whether or not it is acceptable for you to chase down and leg someone for calling you a wench, who in no way previously initiated any sort of PvP with you, and did nothing but leave the area.

I don't agree. Calling someone a wench does in fact initiate PvP if that particular character's RP is to resort to violence after being insulted. As I stated earlier, you take risks. If her character, as my own would, resorts to legging him for insulting her then she was not wrong at all.

No

Insulting does not start pvp, i learned it by a few pulls

[Moist Happenings]

If my character's RP is to kill everyone that says the word "tree", is that acceptable?

[Jolena]

In a case such as seeing someone having problems lifting a sack of potatoes or in this case where one person was scrolling.. I would most likely as a character offer to help him pull his partner up. Would I think him sweeping an afk person to be acceptable?No. Would I have dragged her away? Hell no. BUT that's Jolena's personality. If I had the personality of Kariah (and I'm assuming because I could be wrong) I would most likely have reacted with annoyance and not offered to help him. I do NOT agree that she should have dragged him off. I think she was wrong to take it into her own hands. The one thing I do agree on however, was that she had every right to consider that insult that he threw at her as PvP. My character called another character a wench the other night in fact. If Jolena had been attacked, I would not have as a player seen that as anyones' fault but my own.

[Syberus]

You guys are still talking? hmm.. well I'm out for the sole purpose of not causing this to become an argument again. Although I have to ask why it's so hard to believe a person would be a pirate when there's so many of them around

[Karlah of Torre]

Neff quick question, do you think PvP is ever appropriate?

[Quitter]

Pirates are rare and chassed on sight by people of law.

Being a pirate in a city = death penalty.

You are not a pirate until play.net says there's pirate ship on the seas

[Moist Happenings]

Especially when there's so much pirate-like gear sold at merchants.

peg leg
eye patch

etc.

[Jolena]

I agree Syb, I think having a pirate is very acceptable as a RP. Just as long as you can back that up with a believable story as to how he came to be in the Landing and what happened to his ship.

[GSLeloo]

Um that's saying pregnancy is not pregnancy until play.net makes it so. And any RP that is acted out and not done by verbs is not RP because play.net did not give you a verb to do so. The very basis of what he is doing is RP and he doesn't need play.net to say it is because he is making it so.

[Moist Happenings]

Originally posted by Karlah of Torre
Neff quick question, do you think PvP is ever appropriate?

I blew your hand off the other day for stealing from me, didn't I?

Yes. I think that if it's provoked, it's appropriate. But policy sets down guidelines on what is appropriate and what is not.

Granted, there are a few grey areas.

However, I know more than one person who was banned or warned for attacking someone that did nothing but insult them. That isn't a valid reason for PvP, according to the GMs.

[Quitter]

Originally posted by Neff
Especially when there's so much pirate-like gear sold at merchants.

peg leg
eye patch

etc.

you are an evil stereotype mister


:lol:

[Moist Happenings]

Arrr, shiver me timbers.

[Syberus]

As far fetched and impossible as it probably is, it'd be nice if I could buy my player home and have it as a ship in the landing or solhaven harbor.. then I could take people to see it and such. However since I doubt that's possible, we'll have to wait on tours.

[Quitter]

Originally posted by GSLeloo
Um that's saying pregnancy is not pregnancy until play.net makes it so. And any RP that is acted out and not done by verbs is not RP because play.net did not give you a verb to do so. The very basis of what he is doing is RP and he doesn't need play.net to say it is because he is making it so.

Can you be a whore in gemstone?

We know the answer now since they gave a decision.

Can I say i live in a futurist world, i travelled through time and live now in elanthia WITH knowledge of guns and stuff? (doubt it)

There's pirate undead in RR, so there IS pirates in the land. If there's undead, it means something, i think.

When i played, RP pregnancy was just RP, no baby were really born, all was ACTing.

RP has its limit, and being a pirate walking in the land and resting face to face with the constable, ahh, what a joke

[Jolena]

Well I agree with Loo on that.. I think that the act and smile verb are there to give us ways to rp something that play.net didn't provide for specifically. Being as my character was pregnant in GS, I tend to go more with the grey areas of RP because I think that as long as you can provide a reasonable background and future for your RP then it is doable. I think there is a fine line that is tread with RP however. It is very very fine hehe. For example, RPing you are French is not acceptable because there was no such thing in that genre. RPing you are an animal is not acceptable in play.net's eyes as well I believe. However, i still stand by the fact that insults are a reason for PvP and if I got pulled by a GM well then so beit. I would never report someone for attacking my character if I had insulted them.

[Karlah of Torre]

I think Tree is a little bit different then Wench. If you call someone a tree their going to think your crazy if you call a woman a wench she is going to think your insulting her. If you walked around in a super market and randomly went up to women and called them a bitch there is a good chance that a few would slap you and get really pissed. Karlah is the type of girl that would slap you. Me legging him did nothing more than inconvenience him. If I want to kill him I would have ambushed his head not his leg.
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[Edited on 11-17-2003 by Karlah of Torre]

[Quitter]

Originally posted by Karlah of Torre
I think Tree is a little bit different then Wench. If you call someone a tree there going to think your crazy if you call a woman a wench she is going to think your insulting her. If you walked around in a super market and randomly went up to women and called them a bitch there is a good chance that a few would slap you and get really pissed. Karlah is the type of girl that would slap you. Me legging him did nothing more than inconvenience him. If I want to kill him I would have ambushed his head not his leg.

You would not, you're mechanic abuser.

You knew that head shot = death = fine.

I urge you to take a knife and cut the arm of anyone that calls you a slut

You did something called "power abuse"

Live with it, i did and i liked it

[Moist Happenings]

My point is that A) You could have very easily killed him(and probably almost did). and B) Ask a GM if it's acceptable to initiate PvP when someone calls you a wench. You'll get the same answer i've been telling you all along.

[GSLeloo]

Ok you can RP a wench, they simply said no because it goes against the family environment. That was the only reason they stopped it. You can't RP being from the future or an austronaut (sp?) because it goes against the time frame. But I am sorry to break it to you, but pirates existed back then. Pirates basically always existed and I'm sure they disguised themselves from the authorities so they could walk through certain towns and not be in jeopardy. So why is his RP so unfathomable?

[Jolena]

Out of curiousity..do you consider it power abuse because you assume she was higher trained them Putros? If so.. how would she know as a character that she is higher trained then he is?

[Quitter]

Originally posted by Jolena
Out of curiousity..do you consider it power abuse because you assume she was higher trained them Putros? If so.. how would she know as a character that she is higher trained then he is?

gld rank

[Moist Happenings]

Also, let me reiterate my point.

Karlah leaps from hiding to attack!
Karlah swings a veniom-hafted silvery rolaren waraxe at you!
AS: +283 vs DS: +42 with AvD: +41 + d100 roll: +19 = +301
... and hits for 93 points of damage!
Your left hip is pulped, severing your leg.
You fall screaming to the ground grasping your mangled left leg!
You are stunned for 12 rounds!

You say you wanted to deter him, not kill him, by attacking his leg.

You knew perfectly well he was a halfling, as you have mentioned previously, because he was trying to pull up a giant.

Now, if you had rolled 100 instead of 19, he probably would have died. Then you would have killed him for calling you a wench. By any standards you look at, that is against the rules. Do you disagree?

[Jolena]

Gld rank? Gld rank has no real bearing on how highly trained a character is to be honest. My character is upper 30's and she has way below her guild wall in ranks because I slacked. Putros has said to me many times that people questioned him needing a higher gld ranked person to work with because he is so young and his MS is so low comparitively to others. I don't think that gld rank would be a strong thing to use to judge training.

[Karlah of Torre]

I'm sure they disguised themselves from the authorities so they could walk through certain towns and not be in jeopardy.

He walks around with an eye patch, a peg leg and a parrot on his shoulder that’s not a very good disguise.

[EmpressBtch]

How many times during peak hours can you walk into the guild and there not be a scroll? Yay everyone's working on something. The day gambits came out it was instant scroll, did people get all crazy then? Nope. I understand everyone really, really wants to get that next rank but if you stop and help out someone else odds are they will be able to help you when you ask for something next time. And yes I have put my own tasks on hold to help other people in the guild.....because no matter what I'll still need those points whether its then or if I stop the five minutes to help somebody.