Discuss your rogue

[GuildRat]

To keep from hi-jacking threads...I figure it's a good time to discuss training paths, stats and so-forth here.

[GuildRat]

ok...I'll go first...here's my stats, training, and thoughts about where I want my rogue to go in the future.

Strength (STR): 100 (25) ... 100 (25)
Constitution (CON): 98 (24) ... 98 (24)
Dexterity (DEX): 100 (30) ... 100 (30)
Agility (AGI): 100 (35) ... 100 (35)
Discipline (DIS): 100 (20) ... 100 (20)
Aura (AUR): 100 (25) ... 100 (25)
Logic (LOG): 100 (25) ... 100 (25)
Intuition (INT): 99 (24) ... 99 (24)
Wisdom (WIS): 94 (22) ... 94 (22)
Influence (INF): 70 (15) ... 70 (15)

Armor Use..........................| 220 120
Shield Use.........................| 279 179
Combat Maneuvers...................| 302 202
Edged Weapons......................| 302 202
Ambush.............................| 267 167
Physical Fitness...................| 302 202
Dodging............................| 271 171
Arcane Symbols.....................| 146 46
Magic Item Use.....................| 142 42
Harness Power......................| 58 12
Disarming Traps....................| 340 240
Stalking and Hiding................| 288 188
Perception.........................| 294 194
Climbing...........................| 105 25
Swimming...........................| 114 28

Spell Lists
Minor Elemental....................| 21

I'm thinking that I'll fixskill to 2-hander and see how I like it when the annual fixskills is free. I have enough bounty points to fixstat( or 4 fixskill)....but I'm not really worried about that at this point.

[Gan]

Ganalon.

Currently a archer/picker rogue. heavy armor build (wears mbp) and snipes from the shadows. 1.25x dodge/1.1x cm. 2x ambush. 3x perception. 3x hiding. 3x locks/traps. 1x physical fitness.

Currently hunts Ducts and OTF proper at level 86. Uses a longbow/composite bow with ebladed arrows.

Guildmaster, not mastered all skills yet.

AS - with COL + 4x bow/ebladed (4x) arrows at 451.
DS - offensive ~250 with COL +401,406,414
DS - defensive ~450 with COL +401,406,414

Max lock -1205. Max trap -479 with lore + vaalin picks.

Stats set to maximize TP's.

I started off as a sword/board (ohe/shield) user back in GS3. Switched to OHE+archery with onset of GS4. Moved back to sword/board a year later, and I'm now back to archery.

I like archery the best since I like the efficiency of the kills. So this is a plan I'll stick with.

I'd like to move down to lighter armor and add more dodge ranks in order to become a more 'nimble' fighter that can effectively hunt at end game with hcp brig so that it will allow me to utilize guild skills and dodge to the maximum capabilities (without penalties).

Stats/Skills

Level: 86 Deeds: 17
Experience: 6080276 Decays this level: 0
Exp. until next: 68724 Recent Deaths: 5
Mental TPs: 0 Fame: 25426019
Physical TPs: 12 Mana: 37/37 max
(180 Phy converted to Mnt)

Name: Ganalon O'Grady Race: Human Profession: Rogue (shown as: Master Rogue)
Gender: Male Age: 42 Expr: 6080276 Level: 86
Normal (Bonus) ... Enhanced (Bonus)
Strength (STR): 82 (21) ... 82 (21)
Constitution (CON): 72 (11) ... 47 (-1)
Dexterity (DEX): 100 (25) ... 100 (25)
Agility (AGI): 100 (25) ... 100 (25)
Discipline (DIS): 94 (22) ... 94 (22)
Aura (AUR): 100 (25) ... 100 (25)
Logic (LOG): 94 (27) ... 94 (27)
Intuition (INT): 85 (22) ... 85 (22)
Wisdom (WIS): 100 (25) ... 100 (25)
Influence (INF): 100 (25) ... 100 (25)
Mana: 37 Silver: 24857

Ganalon (at level 86), your current skill bonuses and ranks (including all modifiers) are:
Skill Name | Current Current
| Bonus Ranks
Armor Use..........................| 180 80
Combat Maneuvers...................| 192 92
Ranged Weapons.....................| 276 176
Ambush.............................| 276 176
Physical Fitness...................| 187 87
Dodging............................| 203 103
Arcane Symbols.....................| 122 31
Magic Item Use.....................| 50 10
Harness Power......................| 45 9
Disarming Traps....................| 361 261
Picking Locks......................| 361 261
Stalking and Hiding................| 362 262
Perception.........................| 364 264
Climbing...........................| 105 25
Swimming...........................| 130 35
Spell Lists
Minor Elemental....................| 4

Ganalon is a 264 rank Guild Master of the Rogue Guild.
Master of Sweep.
Master of Stun Maneuvers.
Master of Rogue Gambits.

[GuildRat]

damn...forgot to throw in guild and disarm...


Most difficult trap disarmed: -480

You are a Grandmaster of the Rogue Guild.
You are current with your dues and must check in again sometime in the next 3 days.
You currently have 372 ranks out of a possible 372 for your training.

You are a Master of Sweep.

You are a Master of Subdue.

You are a Master of Stun Maneuvers.

You are a Master of Lock Mastery.

You are a Master of Cheap Shot.

You are a Master of Rogue Gambits.



Best lock was a -1245 prior to giving up picking. I may go back to it in time, but for now, getting a 600+ AS and a 500+ DS in offensive is my priority.

[Xaerve]

Guildrat who are you in game? -- And I'll post my stuff when I get back from work.

[GuildRat]

Kyal....pretty much a no-namer-no-famer rogue.

[Kitsun]

In GSIII my rogue was a Sword/Board Picker. It was actually pretty bad for picking because I couldn't scrape up the TPs for lores and I kept overhunting too much to actually pick the stuff despite being 3x in it.

Swap to GSIV and I went Sniper Archer/Picker route because it freed up enough TPs to fully 2x Ranged/Perception/Ambush while also going 3x in picking skills. This worked fantastic from Blighted Forest until Maaghara's Tower. The kick in the nads came from the OTF Ducts, I might've just entered far too early but I couldn't stay hidden against anything combined with only torso chain and I got wrecked. Repeatedly.

I ended up ditching the Hide/Stalk completely and went for spells and heavy armor.

(at level 100), your current skill bonuses and ranks (including all modifiers) are:
Skill Name | Current Current
| Bonus Ranks
Armor Use...............................| 240 140
Combat Maneuvers...................| 78 17
Ranged Weapons......................| 302 202
Ambush..................................| 302 202
Physical Fitness.......................| 220 120
Dodging..................................| 360 260
Harness Power.........................| 144 44
Spirit Mana Control...................| 66 14
Disarming Traps.......................| 403 303
Picking Locks..........................| 403 303
Perception..............................| 302 202
Climbing.................................| 150 50
Swimming...............................| 150 50

Spell Lists
Minor Elemental.......................| 25

Spell Lists
Minor Spirit.............................| 3
Training Points: 579 Phy 0 Mnt (180 Phy converted to Mnt)

I'm not entirely sure where to put my next batch of TPs but I'm considering Minor Spirit spells for Spirit Warding II.

[GuildRat]

Oi, not to repeat the reptitive...but lack of CMs in the barrier=your ass handed to you. Nice build up of MTPs tho. :grin:

[Kitsun]

I'll be buggered, you're Kyal!

CMs don't do enough bang for buck for an archer. I've just got ranks for Combat Mobility and Weapon Specialization. Until you mentioned it just now, I forgot I could use more of those too. Bleh. Decisions.

[GS4-D]

CMs don't do enough bang for buck for an archer.

Disarm helps against the jan disarming, which can lead into lost bows. Unless of course you bring in off the shelf bows.

[GuildRat]

Disarm helps against the jan disarming, which can lead into lost bows. Unless of course you bring in off the shelf bows.

Agreed..I've chased many a bow in OTF.

[Krayton]

Krayton (at level 76), your base skill bonuses, ranks and goals are:
Skill Name | Actual Actual
| Bonus Ranks Goals In-Game Time to Goal
Armor Use..........................| 178 78 78
Shield Use.........................| 178 78 78
Combat Maneuvers...................| 254 154 156 ASAP (will rise when points are available)
Edged Weapons......................| 256 156 156
Brawling...........................| 120 30 78 ASAP (will rise when points are available)
Ambush.............................| 256 156 156
Physical Fitness...................| 185 85 117 ASAP (will rise when points are available)
Dodging............................| 256 156 156
Arcane Symbols.....................| 90 20 20
Magic Item Use.....................| 120 30 30
Harness Power......................| 25 5 5
Disarming Traps....................| 227 127.845 0 39 days, 11 hours, 24 minutes
Picking Locks......................| 208 108.845 0 26 days, 6 hours, 44 minutes
Stalking and Hiding................| 256 156 156
Perception.........................| 256 156 156
Climbing...........................| 120 30 30
Swimming...........................| 120 30 30
Pickpocketing......................| 256 156 156

Spell Lists
Minor Elemental....................| 2.608 0 38 days, 10 hours, 24 minutes


Normal (Bonus) ... Enhanced (Bonus)
Strength (STR): 90 (20) ... 90 (20)
Constitution (CON): 87 (18) ... 81 (15)
Dexterity (DEX): 92 (26) ... 92 (26)
Agility (AGI): 99 (34) ... 99 (34)
Discipline (DIS): 100 (20) ... 100 (20)
Aura (AUR): 100 (25) ... 100 (25)
Logic (LOG): 88 (19) ... 88 (19)
Intuition (INT): 87 (18) ... 87 (18)
Wisdom (WIS): 98 (24) ... 98 (24)
Influence (INF): 64 (12) ... 64 (12)


Skill name Mnemonic Ranks
Combat Focus focus 4
Shadow Mastery smastery 5
Feint feint 4
Specialization I wspec1 4
Combat Mobility mobility 2
Surge of Strength surge 5
Cutthroat cutthroat 3

Available Combat Maneuver Training Points: 5


You are Guild Master of the Rogue Guild.
You are current with your dues and must check in again sometime in the next 28 days.
You currently have 314 ranks out of a possible 372 for your training.

You are a Master of Sweep.

You are a Master of Subdue.

You are a Master of Stun Maneuvers.

You have 25 ranks in the Lock Mastery skill.
You need 25 training points to earn your next rank.
The Training Administrator told you to visit a master footpad for a talk.
You have 5 repetitions remaining to complete this task.

You have 43 ranks in the Cheap Shot skill.
You need 73 training points to earn your next rank.
The Training Administrator told you to poke some creatures in the eyes.
You have 8 repetitions remaining to complete this task.

You are a Master of Rogue Gambits.

As you can see, I'm migrating a bunch of points. Picking up some brawling to see what I can do with some Voln-Fu. Probably going to pick up some more hiding and perception in the near future. I guess you can say I'm on the cookie-cutter rogue training plan.

[Jolena]

Pure hunting rogue. I had her picking boxes in GSIII but with the switch to GSIV decided I wanted to go pure hunting. I love it.

The plan is to get up to 2x in Physical Fitness, 3x Stalking/Hiding, and 3x perception. I *might* add in another 5 ranks of MOC at some point.

Name: Jolena Selinia Race: Human Profession: Rogue (not shown)
Gender: Female Age: 33 Expr: 4354028 Level: 69
Normal (Bonus) ... Enhanced (Bonus)
Strength (STR): 91 (25) ... 91 (25)
Constitution (CON): 86 (18) ... 86 (18)
Dexterity (DEX): 99 (24) ... 99 (24)
Agility (AGI): 100 (25) ... 100 (25)
Discipline (DIS): 90 (20) ... 90 (20)
Aura (AUR): 95 (22) ... 95 (22)
Logic (LOG): 90 (25) ... 90 (25)
Intuition (INT): 92 (26) ... 92 (26)
Wisdom (WIS): 96 (23) ... 96 (23)
Influence (INF): 55 (2) ... 55 (2)
Mana: 14 Silver: 0

Jolena (at level 69), your current skill bonuses and ranks (including all modifiers) are: (some intermittent training here in preparation for level 70)
Skill Name | Current Current
| Bonus Ranks
Armor Use..........................| 180 80
Shield Use.........................| 171 71
Combat Maneuvers...................| 240 140
Edged Weapons......................| 242 142
Ambush.............................| 240 140
Multi Opponent Combat..............| 120 30
Physical Fitness...................| 206 106
Dodging............................| 240 140
Arcane Symbols.....................| 140 40
Magic Item Use.....................| 140 40
Harness Power......................| 10 2
Stalking and Hiding................| 242 142
Perception.........................| 242 142
Climbing...........................| 120 30
Swimming...........................| 120 30
First Aid..........................| 170 70


Jolena, your Combat Maneuver training is as follows:

Skill name Mnemonic Ranks
Combat Movement cmovement 2
Combat Focus focus 4
Shadow Mastery smastery 5
Specialization I wspec1 4
Side by Side sidebyside 5
Combat Mobility mobility 1
Surge of Strength surge 4


You are Guild Master of the Rogue Guild.
You are a Master of Sweep.
You are a Master of Rogue Gambits.

[Amaron]

I went traditional ambusher/sword and board with Katee. She is a picker and does fairly well at PP when she is in the mood.



Name: Kateerina D'Arcmoor Race: Half-Elf Profession: Rogue (shown as: Fortuneer)
Gender: Female Age: 100 Expr: 3913258 Level: 64
Normal (Bonus) ... Enhanced (Bonus)
Strength (STR): 88 (19) ... 88 (19)
Constitution (CON): 91 (20) ... 91 (20)
Dexterity (DEX): 100 (30) ... 111 (35)
Agility (AGI): 100 (35) ... 105 (37)
Discipline (DIS): 68 (4) ... 68 (4)
Aura (AUR): 94 (22) ... 94 (22)
Logic (LOG): 91 (20) ... 91 (20)
Intuition (INT): 88 (19) ... 88 (19)
Wisdom (WIS): 96 (23) ... 96 (23)
Influence (INF): 56 (8) ... 56 (8)
Mana: 17 Silver: 8917



Kateerina (at level 64), your current skill bonuses and ranks (including all modifiers) are:
Skill Name | Current Current
| Bonus Ranks
Armor Use..........................| 140 40
Shield Use.........................| 166 66
Combat Maneuvers...................| 166 66
Edged Weapons......................| 232 132
Ambush.............................| 232 132
Multi Opponent Combat..............| 90 20
Physical Fitness...................| 166 66
Dodging............................| 166 66
Arcane Symbols.....................| 50 10
Magic Item Use.....................| 30 6
Harness Power......................| 15 3
Disarming Traps....................| 295 195
Picking Locks......................| 295 195
Stalking and Hiding................| 291 191
Perception.........................| 201 101
Climbing...........................| 105 25
Swimming...........................| 90 20
Pickpocketing......................| 232 132

Spell Lists
Minor Elemental....................| 4


Kateerina, your Combat Maneuver training is as follows:

Skill name Mnemonic Ranks
Shadow Mastery smastery 5
Groin Kick gkick 2
Silent Strike silentstrike 3
Surge of Strength surge 3


You are Guild Master of the Rogue Guild.
You are one month behind with your dues.
You have received one reminder about your past dues.
You currently have 235 ranks out of a possible 337 for your training.

You are a Master of Sweep.

You have 31 ranks in the Subdue skill.
You need 54 training points to earn your next rank.
The Training Administrator told you to try and subdue some creatures.
You have 4 repetitions remaining to complete this task.

You have 1 rank in the Stun Maneuvers skill.
You need 96 training points to earn your next rank.
The Training Administrator told you to practice readying your shield while stunned.
You have 11 repetitions remaining to complete this task.

You are a Master of Lock Mastery.

You have 41 ranks in the Cheap Shot skill.
You need 107 training points to earn your next rank.
The Training Administrator told you to practice defending against footstomps.
You have no repetitions remaining for this task.

You have 42 ranks in the Rogue Gambits skill.
You need 12 training points to earn your next rank.
The Training Administrator told you to teach a fellow guildmember something about rogue gambits.
You have 13 repetitions remaining to complete this task.


Strongest foe vanquished: a spiky mottled black abyran'ra
Most difficult lock picked: -1045
Most difficult trap disarmed: -392

[GuildRat]

[QUOTE=Kitsun;553921]I'll be buggered, you're Kyal![QUOTE]

I get this alot for some reason. :wink:

[StinkyBlumpkin]

at 56 trains

Armor Use..........................| 170 70
Combat Maneuvers...................| 200 100
Two-Handed Weapons.................| 221 121
Ambush.............................| 216 116
Physical Fitness...................| 200 100
Dodging............................| 216 116
Harness Power......................| 20 4
Stalking and Hiding................| 216 116
Perception.........................| 216 116
Climbing...........................| 70 15
Swimming...........................| 70 15
Pickpocketing......................| 216 116


Normal (Bonus) ... Enhanced (Bonus)
Strength (STR): 95 (37) ... 95 (37)
Constitution (CON): 88 (29) ... 88 (29)
Dexterity (DEX): 100 (20) ... 100 (20)
Agility (AGI): 100 (20) ... 100 (20)
Discipline (DIS): 97 (23) ... 97 (23)
Aura (AUR): 99 (19) ... 99 (19)
Logic (LOG): 65 (2) ... 65 (2)
Intuition (INT): 79 (14) ... 79 (14)
Wisdom (WIS): 61 (5) ... 61 (5)
Influence (INF): 53 (6) ... 53 (6)
Mana: 15 Silver: 0


has a 420 attack with surge and col signs with his primary weapon (+47 greatsword)

[drigore]

(at level 97), your current skill bonuses and ranks (including all modifiers) are:
Skill Name | Current Current
| Bonus Ranks
Armor Use..........................| 180 80
Shield Use.........................| 198 98
Combat Maneuvers...................| 296 196
Edged Weapons......................| 296 196
Thrown Weapons.....................| 296 196
Ambush.............................| 296 196
Multi Opponent Combat..............| 25 5
Physical Fitness...................| 198 98
Dodging............................| 296 196
Arcane Symbols.....................| 120 30
Magic Item Use.....................| 120 30
Harness Power......................| 50 10
Stalking and Hiding................| 347 247
Perception.........................| 296 196
Climbing...........................| 140 40
Swimming...........................| 140 40
Pickpocketing......................| 296 196

Standard two weapon rogue. I've been hurling a LOT lately. Also been tossing around the idea of dropping PP so I can fully 3x in dodge. There's a lot of things I can do, especially if I drop one of the weapon styles.
And this...

You are a Master of Sweep.

You are a Master of Subdue.

You are a Master of Stun Maneuvers.

You are a Master of Cheap Shot.

You are a Master of Rogue Gambits.

Skill name Mnemonic Ranks
Shadow Mastery smastery 5
Dirtkick dirtkick 4
Disarm Weapon disarm 4
Feint feint 2
Hamstring hamstring 3
Silent Strike silentstrike 4
Specialization I wspec1 4
Specialization II wspec2 4
Combat Mobility mobility 1
Surge of Strength surge 4
Cutthroat cutthroat 4

[CaptContagious]

At 30, but as soon as fixskills hit, I will be droping picking and picking up full brawling and more dodge. Voln-fu!!!



Name: Banewulf Race: Dark Elf Profession: Rogue (shown as: Highwayman)
Gender: Male Age: 31 Expr: 1029516 Level: 30
Normal (Bonus) ... Enhanced (Bonus)
Strength (STR): 100 (25) ... 100 (25)
Constitution (CON): 65 (2) ... 65 (2)
Dexterity (DEX): 100 (35) ... 100 (35)
Agility (AGI): 100 (30) ... 100 (30)
Discipline (DIS): 74 (2) ... 74 (2)
Aura (AUR): 77 (23) ... 77 (23)
Logic (LOG): 64 (7) ... 64 (7)
Intuition (INT): 65 (12) ... 65 (12)
Wisdom (WIS): 65 (12) ... 65 (12)
Influence (INF): 45 (-7) ... 45 (-7)


(at level 30), your current skill bonuses and ranks (including all modifiers) are:
Skill Name | Current Current
| Bonus Ranks
Armor Use..........................| 120 30
Combat Maneuvers...................| 150 50
Ranged Weapons.....................| 164 64
Brawling...........................| 15 3
Ambush.............................| 164 64
Physical Fitness...................| 126 33
Dodging............................| 120 30
Arcane Symbols.....................| 35 7
Disarming Traps....................| 169 69
Picking Locks......................| 169 69
Stalking and Hiding................| 196 96
Perception.........................| 196 96
Climbing...........................| 70 15
Swimming...........................| 70 15
Pickpocketing......................| 164 64

[TheEschaton]

I went for a purely physical route on my rogue as well. This is my only rogue I really play regularly. I want to eventually some day finish cheapshots and stunman so I don't have to use cman points on them, and I'd also like to get CMAN up there. It's kind of like Jolena's build.

>info
Name: Race: Dark Elf Profession: Rogue (not shown)
Gender: Male Age: 2124 Expr: 2780661 Level: 52

>skill
(at level 52), your current skill bonuses and ranks (including all modifiers) are:
Skill Name | Current Current
| Bonus Ranks
Armor Use..........................| 154 54
Shield Use.........................| 154 54
Combat Maneuvers...................| 180 80
Edged Weapons......................| 208 108
Thrown Weapons.....................| 208 108
Ambush.............................| 206 106
Physical Fitness...................| 206 106
Dodging............................| 206 106
Magic Item Use.....................| 90 20
Stalking and Hiding................| 259 159
Perception.........................| 206 106
Climbing...........................| 62 13
Swimming...........................| 62 13
First Aid..........................| 153 53
Training Points: 0 Phy 9 Mnt (324 Mnt converted to Phy)
(Use SKILLS BASE to display unmodified ranks and goals)

108 days remain until the annual FIXSKILLS is to be granted, on 05/20/2007.

Your 30 day migration period will begin when you choose to degrade a skill.

Further information can be found in SKILL FAQS.
>gld
You are Guild Master of the Rogue Guild.
You are current with your dues and must check in again sometime in the next 30 days.
You currently have 142 ranks out of a possible 246 for your training.

You are a Master of Sweep.

You have 13 ranks in the Subdue skill.
You are not currently training in this skill.

You have 1 rank in the Stun Maneuvers skill.
You need 80 training points to earn your next rank.
The Training Administrator told you to let a footpad shoot arrows at you.
You have 4 repetitions remaining to complete this task.

You have 7 ranks in the Cheap Shot skill.
You need 105 training points to earn your next rank.
The Training Administrator told you to practice footstomping a partner.
You have 10 repetitions remaining to complete this task.

You are a Master of Rogue Gambits.

[Dwarven Empath]

I single in armor, shield, PF, Dodge and PP. Double in Weapons, Ambush and Hide. Triple in Disarm, Pick and Perception. Then I use all the rest in Cmans.



Calladus (at level 59), your current skill bonuses and ranks (including all modifiers) are:
Skill Name | Current Current
| Bonus Ranks
Armor Use..........................| 161 61
Shield Use.........................| 161 61
Combat Maneuvers...................| 170 70
Edged Weapons......................| 222 122
Ambush.............................| 222 122
Multi Opponent Combat..............| 25 5
Physical Fitness...................| 161 61
Dodging............................| 161 61
Arcane Symbols.....................| 20 4
Harness Power......................| 45 9
Disarming Traps....................| 283 183
Picking Locks......................| 283 183
Stalking and Hiding................| 222 122
Perception.........................| 283 183
Climbing...........................| 120 30
Swimming...........................| 120 30
Pickpocketing......................| 161 61

Spell Lists
Minor Elemental....................| 4

Name: Calladus Deslyone Race: Giant Profession: Rogue (shown as: Locksmith)
Gender: Male Age: 38 Expr: 3397680 Level: 59
Normal (Bonus) ... Enhanced (Bonus)
Strength (STR): 99 (39) ... 99 (39)
Constitution (CON): 76 (23) ... 76 (23)
Dexterity (DEX): 94 (17) ... 94 (17)
Agility (AGI): 89 (14) ... 89 (14)
Discipline (DIS): 83 (16) ... 83 (16)
Aura (AUR): 95 (17) ... 95 (17)
Logic (LOG): 83 (11) ... 83 (11)
Intuition (INT): 99 (24) ... 99 (24)
Wisdom (WIS): 90 (20) ... 90 (20)
Influence (INF): 51 (5) ... 51 (5)
Mana: 34 Silver: 0

Skill name Mnemonic Ranks
Shadow Mastery smastery 5
Silent Strike silentstrike 5

Level: 59 Deeds: 6
Experience: 3397680 Decays this level: 0
Exp. until next: 64820 Recent Deaths: 1
Mental TPs: 0 Fame: 5022567
Physical TPs: 18 Mana: 34/34 max
(2 Phy converted to Mnt)

Most difficult lock picked: -935
Most difficult trap disarmed: -355

You are Guild Master of the Rogue Guild.
You are current with your dues and must check in again sometime in the next 30 days.
You currently have 264 ranks out of a possible 295 for your training.

You are a Master of Sweep.

You have 15 ranks in the Subdue skill.
You need 114 training points to earn your next rank.
The Training Administrator told you to crush up some garlic.
You have 9 repetitions remaining to complete this task.

You are a Master of Stun Maneuvers.

You have 3 ranks in the Lock Mastery skill.
You need 26 training points to earn your next rank.
The Training Administrator told you to pick some tough boxes from creatures.
You have 3 repetitions remaining to complete this task.

You are a Master of Cheap Shot.

You are a Master of Rogue Gambits.

I can easily pick my boxes, ogres or Skull temple.
I can pick alot of OTF boxes, but If I can't I find Kyal, Jheuwvinial or Jaefer

[mgoddess]

Name: Jezria Race: Human Profession: Rogue (shown as: Fortune Seeker)
Gender: Female Age: 29 Expr: 1357847 Level: 35
Normal (Bonus) ... Enhanced (Bonus)
Strength (STR): 82 (21) ... 82 (21)
Constitution (CON): 77 (13) ... 77 (13)
Dexterity (DEX): 100 (25) ... 100 (25)
Agility (AGI): 100 (25) ... 100 (25)
Discipline (DIS): 81 (15) ... 81 (15)
Aura (AUR): 87 (18) ... 87 (18)
Logic (LOG): 71 (15) ... 71 (15)
Intuition (INT): 69 (14) ... 69 (14)
Wisdom (WIS): 75 (12) ... 75 (12)
Influence (INF): 42 (-4) ... 42 (-4)
Mana: 30 Silver: 0

Jezria (at level 35), your current skill bonuses and ranks (including all modifiers) are:
Skill Name | Current Current
| Bonus Ranks
Armor Use..........................| 156 56
Combat Maneuvers...................| 132 36
Ranged Weapons.....................| 172 72
Brawling...........................| 132 36
Ambush.............................| 172 72
Physical Fitness...................| 132 36
Dodging............................| 172 72
Arcane Symbols.....................| 105 25
Harness Power......................| 40 8
Disarming Traps....................| 172 72
Picking Locks......................| 172 72
Stalking and Hiding................| 172 72
Perception.........................| 172 72
Climbing...........................| 90 20
Swimming...........................| 90 20
Trading............................| 70 15

Spell Lists
Minor Elemental....................| 4


Skill name Mnemonic Ranks
Combat Mobility mobility 1
Surge of Strength surge 5

You are a member of the Rogue Guild.
You currently have one rank out of a possible 132 for your training.
You have 1 rank in the Subdue skill.
You have no ranks in the Stun Maneuvers skill.
You have 1 rank in the Lock Mastery skill.
You have 2 ranks in the Rogue Gambits skill.

Level: 35 Deeds: 12
Experience: 1357847 Decays this level: 0
Exp. until next: 71153 Recent Deaths: 0
Mental TPs: 0 Fame: 1280881
Physical TPs: 8 Mana: 30/30 max
(102 Phy converted to Mnt)

Most difficult lock picked: -560
Most difficult trap disarmed: -224

COL'er, can't remember AS/DS numbers and too lazy to look/hunt. She can pick pretty much any box from River's Rest (so up to 42-ish, +/-5). I used to be sword/board with her, but I got very tired, very quickly, with the hide-ambush-rehide-rinse-repeat. With archery, she stays hidden until she needs to pick up all her arrows. Going for MBP pretty quickly, she's in torso chain right now.

(And I realize I have no guild training. Being in RR, and being much too lazy, I just haven't gotten around to it. And I haven't "missed" it at all.)

[B2]

Alright. Here's my rogue. Please note that I don't actually have a training path. I don't do intra-level training because it confuses me. I train in what looks good at the time.

She's in chain now, and since it's pretty I'm not anxious to get out of it soon. She stays in hiding most of the time when hurling, so clearing a room while sniping is pretty fun.

However, I am extremely impressionable and if anyone sees anything "WTF is she doing?!?!"-able, I can be convinced to change it.

~Becca

Name: Milque O'Moonshade Race: Elf Profession: Rogue (not shown)
Gender: Female Age: 32 Expr: 3377591 Level: 59
Normal (Bonus) ... Enhanced (Bonus)
Strength (STR): 100 (25) ... 100 (25)
Constitution (CON): 74 (12) ... 74 (12)
Dexterity (DEX): 100 (30) ... 100 (30)
Agility (AGI): 100 (40) ... 100 (40)
Discipline (DIS): 86 (3) ... 86 (3)
Aura (AUR): 87 (23) ... 87 (23)
Logic (LOG): 80 (15) ... 80 (15)
Intuition (INT): 78 (14) ... 78 (14)
Wisdom (WIS): 69 (9) ... 69 (9)
Influence (INF): 67 (18) ... 67 (18)
Mana: 11 Silver: 1250

Milque (at level 59), your current skill bonuses and ranks (including all modifiers) are:
Skill Name | Current Current
| Bonus Ranks
Armor Use..........................| 140 40
Shield Use.........................| 159 59
Combat Maneuvers...................| 159 59
Thrown Weapons.....................| 220 120
Brawling...........................| 220 120
Ambush.............................| 220 120
Physical Fitness...................| 167 67
Dodging............................| 220 120
Arcane Symbols.....................| 58 12
Harness Power......................| 10 2
Disarming Traps....................| 234 134
Picking Locks......................| 222 122
Stalking and Hiding................| 220 120
Perception.........................| 202 102
Climbing...........................| 102 24
Swimming...........................| 90 20
First Aid..........................| 136 38
Trading............................| 96 22
Pickpocketing......................| 170 70

Spell Lists
Minor Elemental....................| 4

She currently has full citizenship in Ta'Vaalor.

Master in the Order of Voln

Most difficult lock picked: -815
Most difficult trap disarmed: -296

You are Guild Master of the Rogue Guild.
You have 22 ranks in the Sweep skill.
You are a Master of Subdue.
You have 46 ranks in the Stun Maneuvers skill.
You have 51 ranks in the Lock Mastery skill.
You have 11 ranks in the Cheap Shot skill.

Milque, your Combat Maneuver training is as follows:

Skill name Mnemonic Ranks
Shadow Mastery smastery 4
Groin Kick gkick 1
Coup de Grace coupdegrace 2
Surge of Strength surge 3
Cutthroat cutthroat 3

[Lord Orbstar]

This is my rogue. He is a dual weapon weilding a falchion (5x ECW) and an Ice Immolater short sword off hand. I ambush in 6 seconds with them. I am tripled pretty much in locks and traps and my AS is 335/298. I am a Voln Master and hate hunting undead...


Name: Great Lord Kakos Onarion
Profession: Blackguard
Race: Human Gender: Male
Most difficult lock picked: -895
Most difficult trap disarmed: -301

ame: Kakos Onarion Race: Human Profession: Rogue (shown as: Blackguard)
Gender: Male Age: 28 Expr: 3085665 Level: 55
Normal (Bonus) ... Enhanced (Bonus)
Strength (STR): 100 (30) ... 100 (30)
Constitution (CON): 91 (20) ... 68 (9)
Dexterity (DEX): 100 (25) ... 100 (25)
Agility (AGI): 100 (25) ... 100 (25)
Discipline (DIS): 76 (13) ... 76 (13)
Aura (AUR): 82 (16) ... 82 (16)
Logic (LOG): 84 (22) ... 84 (22)
Intuition (INT): 86 (23) ... 86 (23)
Wisdom (WIS): 71 (10) ... 71 (10)
Influence (INF): 50 (0) ... 50 (0)
Mana: 19 Silver: 0

Skill Name | Current Current
| Bonus Ranks
Two Weapon Combat..................| 205 105
Armor Use..........................| 180 80
Combat Maneuvers...................| 162 62
Edged Weapons......................| 214 114
Ambush.............................| 213 113
Multi Opponent Combat..............| 15 3
Physical Fitness...................| 161 61
Dodging............................| 212 112
Arcane Symbols.....................| 45 9
Magic Item Use.....................| 0 0
Harness Power......................| 25 5
Disarming Traps....................| 236 136
Picking Locks......................| 271 171
Stalking and Hiding................| 214 114
Perception.........................| 164 64
Climbing...........................| 105 25
Swimming...........................| 74 16

Spell Lists
Minor Elemental....................| 4
Training Points: 0 Phy 1 Mnt (46 Mnt converted to Phy)


You are Guild Master of the Rogue Guild.
You are current with your dues and must check in again sometime in the next 19 days.
You currently have 193 ranks out of a possible 270 for your training.

You are a Master of Sweep.

You have 33 ranks in the Subdue skill.
You need 117 training points to earn your next rank.
The Training Administrator told you to try and subdue some creatures.
You have 6 repetitions remaining to complete this task.

You have 2 ranks in the Stun Maneuvers skill.
You need 40 training points to earn your next rank.
The Training Administrator told you to practice readying your shield while stunned.
You have 10 repetitions remaining to complete this task.

You have 1 rank in the Lock Mastery skill.
You need 88 training points to earn your next rank.
The Training Administrator told you to pick some tough boxes from creatures.
You have 3 repetitions remaining to complete this task.

You have 37 ranks in the Cheap Shot skill.
You need 56 training points to earn your next rank.
The Training Administrator told you to kneecap some creatures.
You have 9 repetitions remaining to complete this task.

You are a Master of Rogue Gambits.

[Lord Orbstar]

Most difficult lock picked: -920
Most difficult trap disarmed: -314

heh. its been a good day. Updated to these with some Ithzir boxes. Not too shabby for a level 55 dude.

[TheEschaton]

You hunt with an Immolator in your OFF hand?


/jealous.

-TheE-

[Krayton]

I single in armor, shield, PF, Dodge and PP.

I'm not bashing or anything, but ti you don't double in PP, why train in it at all? My guess is that you don't even do it enough for those points used to be worth it. I'd say drop it and pick up some more CM

[jpatter123]

kitsun would you mind showing me some of your hunting logs? I'd like to see your DS and AS as well. I have (as in another post) considered dropping picking all together for now to pick up spells to 425. Then going to 107 and then picking up picking again once I get to cap.

[Methais]

Discuss your rogue

The class was known as "thief", and represented a variety of character concepts that under scrutiny and care must be designated thief, ranging from Bilbo Baggins to The Gray Mouser. In the 1st edition the Thief character class was interestingly enough the only character class that any nonhuman type, such as an elf or dwarf or halfling could achieve unlimited levels in. In some lights, it must be stated that thieves can be a very noble class indeed, and this is reflected in the AD&D game rules, permitting thieves to be neutral good or even lawful neutral, but never Lawful Good. Gygax has noted in hindsight that this may have been an oversight, as alignment was never meant to be viewed as an absolute hierarchy of best to worst, and character classes should reflect their medieval fantasy counterparts, even into accurate ethical and moral alignment license.

Rogues are available to all races except for the Tauren and the Draenei.

Rogues rely on Energy for their abilities instead of Rage or Mana. Rogues (and Druids, who also use Energy in cat form) can only hold 100 energy before Talents/Items, but Energy regenerates very quickly (exactly 20 energy every 2 seconds.) Most abilities either give or spend "combo points." Abilities that "spend" combo points ("finishing moves") become stronger as more points are spent. When the rogue performs a combo move on a target, that target gains a combo point, up to a maximum of 5 on one target. If the rogue begins to add combo points on another target, the first target's points are lost. Rogues can also go into a stealth mode, which makes them effectively invisible to enemy Players and enemy NPCs unless detected. Stealth becomes more or less effective depending on the Rogue's level and the level of the potential detector. Stealth can only be used out of combat, with the exception of the ability "Vanish," which forces the Rogue into stealth in exchange for a relatively inexpensive reagent.[14] Several attacks ("opening moves" or "openers") require the Rogue to be in stealth.[15]

They can wield daggers, one-handed maces, one-handed swords, and fist weapons. They can also employ ranged weapons such as crossbows, bows, guns, and thrown weapons. Rogues also learn to dual-wield, allowing one-handed weapons to be equipped in each hand. Rogues can create and apply poisons to their weapons. Depending on the applied poison, it allows the rogue to deal additional damage (either instantly or over time), slow their enemy's movement, increase their spell casting time, reduce the effects of healing, or make the enemy NPC less likely to attack the rogue.

Rogues also have the ability to unlock locked doors, chests, and boxes using "thieves tools" and the "lockpicking" skill.

The Rogue talent trees are: Assassination (poisons, critical strikes, and finishing moves), Combat (melee combat abilities, normal attack damage increases) and Subtlety (stealth and opening abilities).

Rogues can wear cloth and leather armor. Their primary attributes are Agility, stamina, and strength. Agility increases dodge, critical strike percentage and attack power, stamina increases health, and strength increases attack power.

Also, in early editions of AD&D and D&D, thieves were swiftest to learn new levels, and if played by a wise and clever player, they could readily become among the most powerful character class in the game. At the same time, under the 1st edition thieves were sharply limited by having their essential skills (such as Open Locks and Move Silently) defined as beginning at a flat chance of success of perhaps a 10-20%, and requiring perhaps ten levels to reach the point where they had much confidence in using them. The 2nd edition altered this by allowing thieves to specialize so that they needed only a few levels to master two skills.

In 2nd edition the term Rogue first appeared to describe the group of classes made up of those individuals "living by their wits day to day-often at the expense of others." These classes included: the Thief, the Assassin, and the Bard.

The Thief, one of the original classes from first ed. D&D, was the robber, the thug, or the "expert treasure hunter". They specialized in the acquisition of goods/materials, and bypassing security devices.

The Assassin, short lived as a class, was introduced in first ed. AD&D until it became a kit in 2nd ed. AD&D on the premise that any class could kill people for money. They are the man-hunters: killers, bounty hunters, special operations. They know their prey, their habits, strengths and weaknesses. The assassin does not have the weapons limitations of other rogues and their knowledge of poisons often makes them a deadly opponent.

Bards, the most recent addition to the rogue classes, are "glib of tongue, light of heart, and fleet of foot." Merging thieves, musicians and magic-users, bards are truly the "jack of all trades". Whether it's slipping past guards, casting spells or singing to earn a few coins to pay for their dinners, bards can always pick up the slack when the party needs it.

[edit] Third edition

The class was renamed "rogue", to reflect the supposed new scope of any skilled and stealthy character. In fact, the character class still bears only three large divergences from other character classes, namely their signature maneuver, the "sneak attack", their capacity to notice traps intuitively, and their superior aptitude for skills.

The rogue class is given 8 skill points per level, higher than any other character class. However, the number of skill points is modified by the intelligence attribute, so it is possible for a very low intellect rogue to be no better off than a particularly bright fighter, although they would still have a broader range of skills to choose from. Spies, scouts, detectives, pirates, and sundry ne'er-do-wells, as well as thieves and just about any other character who relies on stealth or a broad range of skills, are stated to fall under the rogue class.

3rd edition skills removed the flat percentage rolls that previous thieves had used, using their Difficulty Class mechanic to let a rogue have a better chance against the cheap locks and ordinary guards that might appear in lower-level games.

The rogue has the ability to deliver a sneak attack whenever an opponent is unable to defend itself, usually applied whenever the opponent would be unable to dodge or is flanked. The rogue can then take advantage of this momentary weakness to strike at a vital part of the anatomy (provided the creature has a discernible enough anatomy to suffer a critical hit). (This ability was formerly a "backstab," which made it difficult to define when it might be applied in open combat. Allowing flanking (attacking while a teammate is on the opposite side of the target) to create a sneak attack makes the rogue more reliable during simple combat play.)

The Iconic rogue is Lidda, a halfling female.

[edit] Party Duties

Rogues are deadly but somewhat vulnerable front line combatants. Their base attack bonus chart is similar to the monk or the cleric, but they have relatively low Hit Points (1d6 per level) and are proficient with fairly low-damage weapons. What advantages they have come from their high Dexterity, which augments their armor class and missile weapon aim, and can apply to such melee weapons as a rapier if using the feat "Weapon Finesse." All in all, in combat the rogue remains more interested in supporting teammates - and slipping around to Sneak Attack - than in standing up to an opponent with regular blows.

The value of rogues lies in the fact that they are the handymen. Without pure battle or magical power, a rogue can contribute in ways as varied as disarming traps, scouting enemies, and persuading possible allies, using their wealth of skill points (usually twice as many as their teammates', even with Intelligence modifiers) and long list of useful adventuring skills. Where other characters have the power to defeat enemies, the rogue has the wit to track them down and lead the team past traps and barriers on the way to that fight.

Of course some players will end up being trapped into believing that trap disarming is the sole reason for rogues and neglect the combat perks rogues have. Class abilities such as evasion and uncanny dodge already makes then agile combatants. Also sneak attack and certain other skills (bluff, tumble, etc.) makes them tricky but dangerous combatants.

[edit] Multiclassing

The true strength of Rogues lie in their potential to Multiclass. Rogues are effective at combining their class with almost any other class, and in doing so change their Party Duties, so long as their Ability scores match the class somewhat. Multiclassing with the Fighter class gives rogues better weaponry and health, making them stronger in combat and almost viable as tanks. Cleric abilities can increase their support of other characters, healing while staying out of the way in battle. Mixing a Wizard's magic with rogue stealth makes for an interesting combination, as magic can either give them more combat options or enhancments toward stealth. Of course, some classes can't mix with a Rogue sometimes, and require improvisation in order to work.

[StrayRogue]

My own archer rogue whom I haven't played in ages and some supreme awesomeness right now:

>exp
Level: 19 Deeds: 0
Experience: 449795 Decays this level: 2
Exp. until next: 20205 Recent Deaths: 0
Mental TPs: 0 Fame: 481897
Physical TPs: 59 Mana: 12/21 max
(12 Phy converted to Mnt)

Your mind can't take much more of this! You must rest!

>artisan

Usage:
ARTISAN CONVERT - Converts your ranks and begins your Artisan's Guild experience

>artisan convert
>
You feel your prior Artisan's Guild experience paying off.

Artisan Guild skills successfully converted. Please take a moment to read ARTISAN UNLEARN HELP and set your unlearning preference.

>exp
Level: 19 Deeds: 0
Experience: 474957 Decays this level: 2
Exp. until next: -4957 Recent Deaths: 0
Mental TPs: 0 Fame: 481897
Physical TPs: 59 Mana: 17/21 max
(12 Phy converted to Mnt)

Your mind is numbed.

[Dwarven Empath]

I thought if you trained in Pickpockets, that helped you see others pick pockets.

I don't steal, so yah those points could be used for more Cmans.

[Gan]

I wont invest in PickPocketing until post-cap experience. For me its a lowest priority.

AD, check out the OTF archer thread. I nailed my first war griffin today, solo, mano a birdo. ;) (yea, feeling pretty stoked)

[Dwarven Empath]

So if I dont steal, I dont need PP?

[Artha]

They changed that a long time ago, perception now helps defend your pockets a lot more than pick pocket skill.

[AestheticDeath]

Awesome Ganalon! I saw that, just didnt have time to comment.

As far as defending pick pockets, I have a hard time even with 202, and 303 ranks of perception. Seems the only real way is to watch the person using that verb, whatever it is..

Watch is the verb


You notice Maselon watching you warily out of the corner of his eyes. woohoo, they even see you watching.. whats the point?
Id rather have something not so obvious, so I can tattle to the constable and get them in trouble.

[Gan]

They changed that a long time ago, perception now helps defend your pockets a lot more than pick pocket skill.

Another indirect benefit of being maxed in perception for archery. ;)

[Krayton]

When you single out someone by WATCHing them, that lowers your perception to everyone else in the room. So if there is more than one person stealing, you're very much less likely to see them. So it's better just to keep your stuff closed and coins in the bank if you don't wanna get stolen from.

Either way, I avoid stealing from fellow rogues because 75% of the time they have decent perception (not that I care that I get caught)... but mostly out of respect for being another rogue.

[StrayRogue]

This is why MBP (unpadded) > Brig:

A muscular supplicant swings a dark steel flamberge at you!
AS: +342 vs DS: +252 with AvD: +44 + d100 roll: +83 = +217
... and hits for 16 points of damage!
Awkward slash to your stomach!
Everyone needs another belly button.

A muscular supplicant swings a dark steel flamberge at you!
You evade the attack by inches!

A muscular supplicant swings a dark steel flamberge at you!
AS: +342 vs DS: +252 with AvD: +44 + d100 roll: +17 = +151
... and hits for 6 points of damage!
Weak slash to your right arm.
That doesn't even sting.

A muscular supplicant swings a dark steel flamberge at you!
AS: +262 vs DS: +226 with AvD: +44 + d100 roll: +52 = +132
... and hits for 4 points of damage!
Light slash to your abdomen!
Barely nicked.


In an awe inspiring display of combat mastery, a grizzled muscular supplicant engages you in a furious dance macabre, spiralling into a blur of strikes and ripostes!
A grizzled muscular supplicant swings a dark steel flamberge at you!
AS: +290 vs DS: +228 with AvD: +44 + d100 roll: +5 = +111
... and hits for 2 points of damage!
Love tap upside your head!

A grizzled muscular supplicant swings a dark steel flamberge at you!
AS: +290 vs DS: +228 with AvD: +44 + d100 roll: +62 = +168
... and hits for 10 points of damage!
Quick slash to your upper right arm!
Just a nick

A muscular supplicant swings a dark steel flamberge at you!
You barely manage to fend off the attack with your greatsword!

A grizzled muscular supplicant swings a dark steel flamberge at you!
AS: +300 vs DS: +215 with AvD: +44 + d100 roll: +76 = +205
... and hits for 14 points of damage!
Jarring blow to your back.

A grizzled muscular supplicant swings a dark steel flamberge at you!
AS: +320 vs DS: +220 with AvD: +44 + d100 roll: +8 = +152
... and hits for 6 points of damage!
Light slash to your abdomen!
Barely nicked.

A grizzled muscular supplicant swings a dark steel flamberge at you!
AS: +370 vs DS: +243 with AvD: +44 + d100 roll: +3 = +174
... and hits for 9 points of damage!
Whiplash!

A grizzled muscular supplicant swings a dark steel flamberge at you!
AS: +290 vs DS: +226 with AvD: +44 + d100 roll: +27 = +135
... and hits for 4 points of damage!
Thumped your chest.

[jpatter123]

looks like the difference between MBP and hauberk is less then I thought. Looks like I am sticking with my armor after seeing that.

[Artha]

MBP is the same as hauberk except for the chest, abs and back where it's got plate protection.

[AestheticDeath]

This is why MBP (unpadded) > Brig:


Put on some brig and go get hit like that again.

[Gan]

More specifically put on some hcp brig and go get hit like that again. Lets see the actual comparison of mbp vs. hcp brig. Also post your ranks in dodge, since thats also going to be a factor in IF you get hit.

Actually, of all the rogue builds posted, you have not shared your info on Stay (your rogue). Curious...

[Artha]

MBP > FGB, from my experience.

[AestheticDeath]

I am sure it is, but how much better.

Try doing health after all the hits as well.. If both brig and mbp give minor wounds, but brig just lets you take a few more damage... its not that big a deal.

[Artha]

The difference is that 4x MBP is what, 100k? FGB is 9m+

[jpatter123]

The difference is that 4x MBP is what, 100k? FGB is 9m+


very true but I'd like to see how the crit padded brig does for things like motes which historically has been my rogues only bane.
Plus a full log not just clips showing how many more dodges/parries you get in brig vs MBP.
5-15 million for armor doesn't sound that bad at the point most are at in this discussion. I think most people are wearing armor that cost well into the millions.
Not sure why I am even sticking my nose in this arguement cause like stated I am sticking to hauberk.

[Gan]

very true but I'd like to see how the crit padded brig does for things like motes which historically has been my rogues only bane.
Plus a full log not just clips showing how many more dodges/parries you get in brig vs MBP.
5-15 million for armor doesn't sound that bad at the point most are at in this discussion. I think most people are wearing armor that cost well into the millions.
Not sure why I am even sticking my nose in this arguement cause like stated I am sticking to hauberk.

You've echoed what I've been pondering all along. I want to see the effects considering the concepts of:

1. Dodging: Comparison of encumbrance effects as well as increased ranks due to extra TP's recovered from reduction in armor training. Especially taking into consideration archery training and the effect of dodging with open handed.

2. Crits: Comparison of crits and stun time between hcp brig and mbp.

3. Damage: Comparison of damage experienced between hcp brig and mbp with redux and hp recovery taken into effect at this level of play.

4. Manueverability/Encumbrance: Comparison of effects in defending against manuever attacks.

5. Magic: Comparison of ability to successfully cast spells without armor hindrance with the minimally allocated ranks necessary to negate associated manuever penalties associated with each class (mbp/brig). (This one is obvious since mbp has an elemental hindrance of 90 something%)

[StrayRogue]

Put on some brig and go get hit like that again.


No thanks. I don't like dying.

[StrayRogue]

More specifically put on some hcp brig and go get hit like that again. Lets see the actual comparison of mbp vs. hcp brig. Also post your ranks in dodge, since thats also going to be a factor in IF you get hit.

Actually, of all the rogue builds posted, you have not shared your info on Stay (your rogue). Curious...

If I could be bothered to go through logs, I could post some hits of me in exceptional brig, FGB, decent hauberk, Berr's old MBP and my current unpadded MBP.

I know which the best is for me (because I get hit), and wouldn't change until the cap.

2.4-5x Dodge. 1.5x PT.

In my experience I take less crits from any brig I've ever worn simply because of the DF. The increased CvA makes up for the 10 TD from the old myklin brig I had as well.

I'll post a log of a full hunt later. And if anyone would like to get hit a few times from a two-hander in brig, I'll be happy to do the testing.

[StrayRogue]

Typical hunt. I tend to rove around unhidden and simply wait for them to swing, then attack. They're soft with a low DS. I always ambush the 'phants or the dogs if they prep (always ambush the dogs regardless).

hide
Roundtime: 2 sec.
You attempt to blend with the surroundings and feel confident that no one has noticed your doing so.

>spell active
You currently have the following active spells:
Sign of Swords
Sign of Smiting
Spirit Defense
Sign of Striking
Sign of Deflection
Sign of Warding
Natural Colors
Sign of Defending

>sneak e
[Temple Wyneb, Calvaria]
The shadowed ceiling ripples strangely, then squeaks. A second glance reveals it to be a solid mass of bats, most of them juveniles. A trio of the winged rodents swoops past you with shrill, piercing cries, defending their nest. You also see an emaciated hierophant.
Obvious exits: east, west
Roundtime: 1 sec.

An emaciated hierophant quickly performs a thorough search, seeking something.
The emaciated hierophant pauses momentarily, his eyes scanning the area.

>surge
You focus deep within yourself, searching for untapped sources of strength.
You feel incredibly stronger.

>leg hier
You are now in an offensive stance.
>
You leap from hiding to attack!
You swing a guardless oak-handled greatsword at an emaciated hierophant!
AS: +430 vs DS: +214 with AvD: +38 + d100 roll: +25 = +279
... and hit for 130 points of damage!
Lucky shot rips through bone and muscle sending left leg flying.
An emaciated hierophant falls to the ground grasping his mangled left leg!
The emaciated hierophant is stunned!
Roundtime: 6 sec.

>hide
Roundtime: 2 sec.
You attempt to blend with the surroundings and feel confident that no one has noticed your doing so.

>decap hier
You are now in an offensive stance.
>
You leap from hiding to attack!
You swing a guardless oak-handled greatsword at an emaciated hierophant!
AS: +430 vs DS: +130 with AvD: +38 + d100 roll: +68 = +406
... and hit for 183 points of damage!
Awful slash nearly decapitates the emaciated hierophant!
That's one way to lose your head.
An emaciated hierophant thrashes violently and then dies.
The very powerful look leaves an emaciated hierophant.
The white light leaves an emaciated hierophant.
The deep blue glow leaves an emaciated hierophant.
An emaciated hierophant seems to lose an aura of confidence.
An emaciated hierophant seems to lose some dexterity.
An emaciated hierophant appears less powerful.
The dull golden nimbus fades from around an emaciated hierophant.
The air about an emaciated hierophant stops shimmering.
Roundtime: 6 sec.

You search the emaciated hierophant.
You discard the hierophant's useless equipment.
He had 462 silvers on him.
You gather the remaining 462 coins.
He had nothing else of value.
An emaciated hierophant fades from sight as if it were never there.
>stance def
You are now in a defensive stance.

More moving...

>n
[Temple Wyneb, Calvaria]
It is impossible to avoid the bat guano entirely, as it covers every inch of the floor. However, the greatest density appears to be in the center of the room, so you do what you can to keep to the edges. You also see a pile of bat guano.
Obvious exits: north, south

A hunch-backed dogmatist trots in with his hands clasped together!

>leg dog
You are now in an offensive stance.

You swing a guardless oak-handled greatsword at a hunch-backed dogmatist!
AS: +430 vs DS: +273 with AvD: +45 + d100 roll: +3 = +205
... and hit for 98 points of damage!
Powerful slash leaves the hunch-backed dogmatist without a right leg!
A hunch-backed dogmatist falls to the ground grasping his mangled right leg!
The hunch-backed dogmatist is stunned!
Roundtime: 6 sec.

>hide
Roundtime: 2 sec.
You attempt to blend with the surroundings and feel confident that no one has noticed your doing so.

>decap dog
You are now in an offensive stance.

You leap from hiding to attack!
You swing a guardless oak-handled greatsword at a hunch-backed dogmatist!
AS: +430 vs DS: +170 with AvD: +45 + d100 roll: +89 = +394
... and hit for 177 points of damage!
Awful slash nearly decapitates the hunch-backed dogmatist!
That's one way to lose your head.
The hunch-backed dogmatist lies weakly upon the floor. "Why hast ye forsaken me m'lady, served you well I did!" beckons the dogmatist in a desperate prayer.

The dogmatist then goes oddly still.
Roundtime: 6 sec.
>

A deafening explosion rocks the area as a beam of light shines down from high above and onto the dogmatist. The hunch-backed dogmatist appears rejuvenated!

>at dog
...wait 1 seconds.
>at dog
You swing a guardless oak-handled greatsword at a hunch-backed dogmatist!
AS: +430 vs DS: +206 with AvD: +45 + d100 roll: +50 = +319
... and hit for 140 points of damage!
Wild downward slash severs the hunch-backed dogmatist's left foot!
Bloody stump, anyone?
The hunch-backed dogmatist sits tentatively upon the floor. "Why hast ye forsaken me m'lady, served you well I did!" beckons the dogmatist in a desperate prayer.

Silence hangs heavy in the air as the dogmatist exhales his final breath, collapsing lifelessly to the ground.
Roundtime: 5 sec.
>
A hunch-backed dogmatist trots in with his hands clasped together!

>l
[Temple Wyneb, Calvaria]
It is impossible to avoid the bat guano entirely, as it covers every inch of the floor. However, the greatest density appears to be in the center of the room, so you do what you can to keep to the edges. You also see a hunch-backed dogmatist, a hunch-backed dogmatist that appears dead and a pile of bat guano.
Obvious exits: north, south

>hide
Roundtime: 2 sec.
You attempt to blend with the surroundings and feel confident that no one has noticed your doing so.
>leg dog
...wait 1 seconds.
>
...wait 1 seconds.
>leg dog

You are now in an offensive stance.
You leap from hiding to attack!
You swing a guardless oak-handled greatsword at a hunch-backed dogmatist!
AS: +430 vs DS: +256 with AvD: +45 + d100 roll: +13 = +232
... and hit for 96 points of damage!
Wild downward slash severs the hunch-backed dogmatist's left foot!
Bloody stump, anyone?
A hunch-backed dogmatist falls to the ground grasping his mangled left leg!
The hunch-backed dogmatist is stunned!
Roundtime: 6 sec.

A muscular supplicant just arrived.

>search dog
You search the hunch-backed dogmatist.
You discard the dogmatist's useless equipment.
He didn't carry any silver.
He had nothing of interest.
The opalescent aura fades from around a hunch-backed dogmatist.
A hunch-backed dogmatist crumbles in upon himself, his skin flaking away as if it only served as an outer shell.

>hide
Roundtime: 2 sec.
You attempt to blend with the surroundings and feel confident that no one has noticed your doing so.

You've gained 1 mental training point.
(To use these new points, type GOALS and adjust your skills.)

>leg supp
You are now in an offensive stance.

You leap from hiding to attack!
You swing a guardless oak-handled greatsword at a muscular supplicant!
The muscular supplicant evades the attack by a hair!
Roundtime: 6 sec.

A muscular supplicant swings a dark steel flamberge at you!
AS: +340 vs DS: +242 with AvD: +44 + d100 roll: +18 = +160
... and hits for 7 points of damage!
Weak slash across chest!
Slightly less painful than heartburn.

>hide
...wait 1 seconds.
>hide
Roundtime: 2 sec.
You attempt to blend with the surroundings and feel confident that no one has noticed your doing so.

A hunch-backed dogmatist wobbles a bit in his current dazed state.

>leg sup
You are now in an offensive stance.

You leap from hiding to attack!
You swing a guardless oak-handled greatsword at a muscular supplicant!
AS: +430 vs DS: +237 with AvD: +38 + d100 roll: +72 = +303
... and hit for 122 points of damage!
Quick, powerful slash to the muscular supplicant's left knee!
The muscular supplicant is knocked to the ground!
The muscular supplicant is stunned!
Roundtime: 6 sec.
>
A muscular supplicant unleashes an earth-shattering bellow shaking off the stun!

>mstrike
You concentrate intently, focusing all your energies.
With instinctive motions, you weave to and fro striking with deliberate and unrelenting fury!
You swing a guardless oak-handled greatsword at a muscular supplicant!
AS: +430 vs DS: +157 with AvD: +38 + d100 roll: +17 = +328
... and hit for 144 points of damage!
Wild downward slash severs the muscular supplicant's left foot!
Bloody stump, anyone?
The muscular supplicant is stunned!
You swing a guardless oak-handled greatsword at a hunch-backed dogmatist!
AS: +430 vs DS: +233 with AvD: +45 + d100 roll: +88 = +330
... and hit for 145 points of damage!
Right leg ripped from socket at the knee!
The hunch-backed dogmatist lies weakly upon the floor. "Why hast ye forsaken me m'lord, served you well I did!" beckons the dogmatist in a desperate prayer.

Silence hangs heavy in the air as the dogmatist exhales his final breath, collapsing lifelessly to the ground.

Your flurry of strikes leaves you off-balance and out of position.
Roundtime: 8 sec.
>
A hunch-backed dogmatist crumbles in upon himself, his skin flaking away as if it only served as an outer shell.

>at supp
...wait 2 seconds.

You begin to lose touch with your internal sources of strength.
>at supp
...wait 1 seconds.
>surge

You focus deep within yourself, searching for untapped sources of strength.
You feel incredibly stronger.

>at su
You swing a guardless oak-handled greatsword at a muscular supplicant!
AS: +430 vs DS: +119 with AvD: +38 + d100 roll: +15 = +364
... and hit for 157 points of damage!
Hard blow to the muscular supplicant's ear!
Deep gash and a terrible headache!
A muscular supplicant thrashes violently and then dies.
Roundtime: 5 sec.

An emaciated hierophant just arrived.

>search sup
You search the muscular supplicant.
You discard the supplicant's useless equipment.
He had 168 silvers on him.
You gather the remaining 168 coins.
He had nothing else of value.
A muscular supplicant fades from sight as if it were never there.

>stance def
You are now in a defensive stance.

>hide
Roundtime: 2 sec.
You attempt to blend with the surroundings and feel confident that no one has noticed your doing so.

You feel recovered from your whirlwind flurry of strikes.

>leg hier
You are now in an offensive stance.
You leap from hiding to attack!
You swing a guardless oak-handled greatsword at an emaciated hierophant!
Amazingly, the emaciated hierophant manages to block the attack with his pavis!
Roundtime: 6 sec.

[Temple Wyneb, Calvaria]
It is impossible to avoid the bat guano entirely, as it covers every inch of the floor. However, the greatest density appears to be in the center of the room, so you do what you can to keep to the edges. You also see an emaciated hierophant, a tarnished invar kaskara, a silver-edged black silk sack and a pile of bat guano.
Obvious exits: north, south

An emaciated hierophant gestures and murmurs a quiet prayer.
>hide
Roundtime: 2 sec.
You attempt to blend with the surroundings and feel confident that no one has noticed your doing so.
>leg hier
You are now in an offensive stance.

You leap from hiding to attack!
You swing a guardless oak-handled greatsword at an emaciated hierophant!
AS: +430 vs DS: +211 with AvD: +38 + d100 roll: +81 = +338
... and hit for 159 points of damage!
Weapon arm removed at the shoulder!
The hierophant's rune-etched espadon falls to the ground.
The emaciated hierophant is stunned!
Roundtime: 6 sec.

An emaciated hierophant focuses inwardly for a moment, regaining control of himself.

>at hier
...wait 1 seconds.

>at hier
You swing a guardless oak-handled greatsword at an emaciated hierophant!
AS: +430 vs DS: +313 with AvD: +38 + d100 roll: +94 = +249
... and hit for 115 points of damage!
Lucky shot rips through bone and muscle sending right leg flying.
An emaciated hierophant falls to the ground grasping his mangled right leg!
An emaciated hierophant thrashes violently and then dies.
The very powerful look leaves an emaciated hierophant.
The white light leaves an emaciated hierophant.
The deep blue glow leaves an emaciated hierophant.
An emaciated hierophant seems to lose an aura of confidence.
An emaciated hierophant seems to lose some dexterity.
An emaciated hierophant appears less powerful.
The dull golden nimbus fades from around an emaciated hierophant.
Roundtime: 5 sec.

>search hier
You search the emaciated hierophant.
You discard the hierophant's useless equipment.
He had 486 silvers on him.
You gather the remaining 486 coins.
He had nothing else of value.
Hundreds of insects suddenly swarm, devouring the emaciated hierophant.

>stance def
You are now in a defensive stance.

>exp

Your mind can't take much more of this! You must rest!

Forgot to add - no wounds. Just those 7 hit points.

[Martaigne]

Straight up redux/ambush rogue, no benefit to society whatsoever. Specced in daggers. She's tons of fun. Thinking about dropping perception to single to use the points on brawling and multi-opps. Voln Master. Can solo the jungle in RR no problem.


Name: XXXXXXXXXXXX Race: Half-Elf Profession: Rogue (not shown)
Gender: Female Age: 48 Expr: 1032377 Level: 30
Normal (Bonus) ... Enhanced (Bonus)
Strength (STR): 100 (25) ... 100 (25)
Constitution (CON): 97 (23) ... 97 (23)
Dexterity (DEX): 100 (30) ... 100 (30)
Agility (AGI): 100 (35) ... 100 (35)
Discipline (DIS): 78 (9) ... 78 (9)
Aura (AUR): 77 (13) ... 77 (13)
Logic (LOG): 80 (15) ... 80 (15)
Intuition (INT): 50 (0) ... 50 (0)
Wisdom (WIS): 47 (-1) ... 47 (-1)
Influence (INF): 42 (1) ... 42 (1)
Mana: 1 Silver: 0
skills
>
XXXXXXXXXXXX (at level 30), your current skill bonuses and ranks (including all modifiers) are:
Skill Name | Current Current
| Bonus Ranks
Armor Use..........................| 140 40
Combat Maneuvers...................| 164 64
Edged Weapons......................| 164 64
Brawling...........................| 124 32
Ambush.............................| 164 64
Physical Fitness...................| 164 64
Dodging............................| 164 64
Stalking and Hiding................| 196 96
Perception.........................| 164 64
Climbing...........................| 90 20
Swimming...........................| 50 10
Training Points: 0 Phy 18 Mnt (126 Mnt converted to Phy)
(Use SKILLS BASE to display unmodified ranks and goals)

[GuildRat]

Nice rogue, I'd get her into MBP if she's pure combat/redux ASAP. Drop doubling PT until you get to 80 ranks of armor...get some decent MBP, and then go back to doubling PT.

Just my 1.75 cents.

[Celephais]

I'm a little curious about the offhand... You've got OHE, but no shield or TWC. I imagine you've just got a small shield for the 20 + ET?

[EmpressBtch]

Strength (STR): 100 (25) ... 100 (25)
Constitution (CON): 81 (15) ... 81 (15)
Dexterity (DEX): 98 (29) ... 98 (29)
Agility (AGI): 100 (35) ... 100 (35)
Discipline (DIS): 90 (15) ... 90 (15)
Aura (AUR): 97 (23) ... 97 (23)
Logic (LOG): 91 (20) ... 91 (20)
Intuition (INT): 97 (23) ... 97 (23)
Wisdom (WIS): 99 (24) ... 99 (24)
Influence (INF): 62 (11) ... 62 (11)

Armor Use..........................| 220 120
Shield Use.........................| 190 90
Combat Maneuvers...................| 230 130
Edged Weapons......................| 266 166
Ambush.............................| 266 166
Physical Fitness...................| 202 102
Dodging............................| 222 122
Arcane Symbols.....................| 141 41
Magic Item Use.....................| 140 40
Harness Power......................| 50 10
Disarming Traps....................| 266 166
Picking Locks......................| 266 166
Stalking and Hiding................| 264 164
Perception.........................| 266 166
Climbing...........................| 105 25
Swimming...........................| 111 27

Spell Lists
Minor Elemental....................| 9
Most difficult lock picked: -985
Most difficult trap disarmed: -389
>gld
You are a Grandmaster of the Rogue Guild.
You are current with your dues and must check in again sometime in the next 16 days.
You currently have 372 ranks out of a possible 372 for your training.

[GuildRat]

I'm a little curious about the offhand... You've got OHE, but no shield or TWC. I imagine you've just got a small shield for the 20 + ET?


She's singled in brawling to help with the DS

[GuildRat]

Strength (STR): 100 (25) ... 100 (25)
Constitution (CON): 81 (15) ... 81 (15)
Dexterity (DEX): 98 (29) ... 98 (29)
Agility (AGI): 100 (35) ... 100 (35)
Discipline (DIS): 90 (15) ... 90 (15)
Aura (AUR): 97 (23) ... 97 (23)
Logic (LOG): 91 (20) ... 91 (20)
Intuition (INT): 97 (23) ... 97 (23)
Wisdom (WIS): 99 (24) ... 99 (24)
Influence (INF): 62 (11) ... 62 (11)

Armor Use..........................| 220 120
Shield Use.........................| 190 90
Combat Maneuvers...................| 230 130
Edged Weapons......................| 266 166
Ambush.............................| 266 166
Physical Fitness...................| 202 102
Dodging............................| 222 122
Arcane Symbols.....................| 141 41
Magic Item Use.....................| 140 40
Harness Power......................| 50 10
Disarming Traps....................| 266 166
Picking Locks......................| 266 166
Stalking and Hiding................| 264 164
Perception.........................| 266 166
Climbing...........................| 105 25
Swimming...........................| 111 27

Spell Lists
Minor Elemental....................| 9
Most difficult lock picked: -985
Most difficult trap disarmed: -389
>gld
You are a Grandmaster of the Rogue Guild.
You are current with your dues and must check in again sometime in the next 16 days.
You currently have 372 ranks out of a possible 372 for your training.

How many trains?....Nice combo rogue....work on PT and CM is the only advice I'd have right now.

[AestheticDeath]

Im sorry, how does training in brawling help your DS when you are wielding an edged weapon?

[GuildRat]

I was assuming it worked like THW....I'm not sure that it does after reading the skills folder on the play.net page

[Martaigne]

I'm a little curious about the offhand... You've got OHE, but no shield or TWC. I imagine you've just got a small shield for the 20 + ET?

The brawling skill is solely for Voln Fu. She has a +33 buckler, but rarely carries it to keep her encumbrance and manuever penalty down. Defense isn't an issue with mass spells and a +45 set of chain mail, and triple hiding. Dagger ambush is only 4 secs, as well.

[Jolena]

You've echoed what I've been pondering all along. I want to see the effects considering the concepts of:

1. Dodging: Comparison of encumbrance effects as well as increased ranks due to extra TP's recovered from reduction in armor training. Especially taking into consideration archery training and the effect of dodging with open handed.

2. Crits: Comparison of crits and stun time between hcp brig and mbp.

3. Damage: Comparison of damage experienced between hcp brig and mbp with redux and hp recovery taken into effect at this level of play.

4. Manueverability/Encumbrance: Comparison of effects in defending against manuever attacks.

5. Magic: Comparison of ability to successfully cast spells without armor hindrance with the minimally allocated ranks necessary to negate associated manuever penalties associated with each class (mbp/brig). (This one is obvious since mbp has an elemental hindrance of 90 something%)

This makes me wish I had logs saved of Jolena hunting in her +23 FGB. However, be that as it may, I switched her to +32 MBP for better protection (and she has rather decent dux, mind you) as well for the TD boost. I've not noticed that she takes more damage or worse 'hits' in the MBP, but I have seen a difference in her ability to defend against magic. That made it worth it to me.

[Drisco]

Heh whats FGB?

[AestheticDeath]

'some forest green brigandine'

its +17, and heavily crit padded

Was sold off the shelf along time ago, and had at least one brief scandal where some people were duping alot of it.

[Gan]

This makes me wish I had logs saved of Jolena hunting in her +23 FGB. However, be that as it may, I switched her to +32 MBP for better protection (and she has rather decent dux, mind you) as well for the TD boost. I've not noticed that she takes more damage or worse 'hits' in the MBP, but I have seen a difference in her ability to defend against magic. That made it worth it to me.


I'm still debating trying that experiment with Ganalon with the new fixskills coming up. Worse case scenario I dont like it and use a fixskill potion to go back to mbp. At the very least I'm going to wait and make sure Coase is through screwing with Rogues... :(

My current project is redoing voln for Jaken to prepare for his fixskill back to shield/brawl. He was converted to COL when I first acquired him since there was no tangible benefit being ohe/shield and voln. Now that he's going back to brawl/shield I want to see how well his fu works against the constructs. Not to mention the other benefits of dumping runestaves.

[Martaigne]

Forest Green Brigandine.

[TheEschaton]

forest green brigandine, only the most famous armor ever. +17 HCP brig which was sold off the shelf some time ago when GS still had 1000+ players on during prime time, River's Rest was just a boot away, and elves were still foreigners wherever the fuck they went..

-TheE-