Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows

[SpunGirl]

New title was announced today; I signed up via Borders to let me know when they would make it available to order (or the release date is announced, whatever.)

We had a pretty decent discussion after book six came out about everyone's theories. Let's renew.

-K

[Miss X]

Snapey Snape Snape.

I need this book now!

[HarmNone]

I'm signed up with Amazon to let me know when the book's available. I hate waiting!

[Gan]

Its about time!

I'm signing up for its release notification and advance copy ASAP.


Onto theories:
I think Snape and Dumbledore pulled a shennanagan on everyone. There's no way she killed him off... no way. H8 mail will ensure if its confirmed she did.

I also posed a possibliity that Dumbledore split his soul, but that requires a violent act (like murder) to pull off so I'm thinking thats out.

Share more theories!

[Kitsun]

Snape and Dumbledore each took the other's polyjuice potion and pulled a switcheroo! And Snape is really Harry's father after a wild party and too much butterbeer. R.A.B. (Really Angry Biotch) is Voldermort's scorned lover, the school nurse, who works to undue his chaos.

[Kitsun]

Oh! And Harry will end up dead but Neville will fulfill the prophesy!

[thornhappy]

I love Snape. And Alan Rickman. A lot. That is all til tomorrow.

[Fallen]

I heard a rumor it was coming out 07/07/07

[ElanthianSiren]

Oh! And Harry will end up dead but Neville will fulfill the prophesy!

I believe the old wizard's dead. I believe Snape will die eventually to save Harry (fulfil the debt that Snape owes James Potter). That squares that.

-M

[Artha]

I bet Voldemort has Harry Potter in some terribly dire straights. He points his wand at Harry and begins saying some death curse or something.

Then a Deus Ex Machina bursts through the wall and Harry lives.

[Kembal]

Dumbledore's dead. Snape killed Dumbledore because Dumbledore ordered him to if Snape got himself caught in that situation. (Note how Dumbledore did not tell Snape to patrol the corridors like he asked the other members of the Order to...the possible loophole in the Unbreakable Vow was that if Snape did not know Malfoy was going to try to kill Dumbledore, he could not be there to do it for Malfoy. Unfortunately, Snape was told by Flitwick, and you all know the rest. My theory, anyway.)

As for what's happening in Book 7, I can't even fathom a guess. All I know is I can't wait for it to come out. :)

[Kuyuk]

I cant wait either, it makes me twitterpated thinking about it.


I cant wait to see hermoine...naked.


K.

[HarmNone]

I believe the old wizard's dead. I believe Snape will die eventually to save Harry (fulfil the debt that Snape owes James Potter). That squares that.

-M

Old wizards never die. They just become pictures on the wall and run around wreaking havoc. ;)

[TheEschaton]

When the 6th book came out in Namibia, like 5 of us chipped in to buy it at the waaaaaaay overpriced bookstore in the capital. I was enamored, and decided to write a fan fiction 7th book. Luckily, I got a girlfriend soon after this, so I only got through 2 or 3 (or maybe 6) chapters.

The following is the executive summary I wrote for the book, which I had tentatively titled "Harry Potter and the Most Ancient Magic". I was apparently going for something waaaaaaaaay more abstract than JK Rowling.

Bold are my editorial comments right now, as this summary was written like, a year and a half ago.

-TheE-
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Harry returns to school despite not wanting to, for the sake of his friends, and due to a codicil in Dumbledore's will, which names Harry the Dark Arts teacher just to piss Voldemort off (it was the one thing he never got) and is de facto head of the Hogwart’s forces against Voldemort. Slytherin in disarray with disappearance of both Snape and Malfoy, de facto “leader” is Blaise Zabini, Slughorn stays on as head of House. In regards to headmaster, either 1) McGonagall stays Headmistress, and new Transfiguration/Gryffindor HoH appointed, or 2) someone else is appointed Headmaster. Option 1 would require a new Deputy Headmaster too. In regards to DADA, new professor is, by Dumbledore’s request, Harry, both because he’s best equipped, and to piss Voldemort off, since he never got the job. Harry can be Gryffindor HoH, I suppose, but maybe better equipped to Tonks, the new Transfig teacher? Hagrid as Deputy Headmaster? I prefer McGonagall as Head, Tonks as transfig/new Gryffindor head...maybe Slughorn as a Deputy Head to appease the Slytherins?

Ron and Hermione still prefects, Head Boy is Neville, Head Girl is Parvati twin in (Padma) Ravenclaw. Hermione pissed because she’s not Head Girl. Malfoy’s seeker spot taken by Zabini, Katie Bell’s spot on Gryffindor team taken by Seamus. Ron becomes Quidditch Captain, Ginny moves to Seeker, Ginny’s spot taken by Dean Thomas. Luna is permanent commentator.

The main plot line will revolve around the search for the remaining Horcruxes. Two have been defeated, Riddle’s Diary, and the Ring of Salazar Slytherin. One was missing, the locket gotten by Harry/Dumbledore, with only the clue of “RAB” to point to where it may be. 3 remain, one suggesting the cup of Hufflepuff, something of Ravenclaw’s, and, on Dumbledore’s idea, Nagini, the snake, though this will be revealed as false. Last Horcrux will involve something personal to Harry, because it had to be created after the rising of Voldemort. (Or does it?) Possibly something to do with Cedric Diggory, his parents? Maybe something of Gryffindor’s, which hasn’t been known (the Sorting Hat - I like this idea, kind of, There is a scene in book 6 in one of the flashbacks about how it looked like a movement was made by Voldemort in Dumbledore's office, and Harry thought some shit was about to go down...it could of been him saying the spell silently, a la the new skill they were being taught in that book)? If not Gryffindor’s, the prophecy can be with regards to how the one who wasn’t corrupted by the Dark Lord will be the one who has to destroy Voldemort. Rather think that the other would be something having to do with Gryffindor, showing the equality of the Houses. Once the Horcruxes are destroyed, Harry has to face down Voldemort, who doesn’t know his Horcruxes are destroyed. In the end, the battle between Harry and Voldemort is ended by Snape, who loved Harry’s mother, and thus has deceived Voldemort the whole time Not Occlumency, so much, but hiding his thoughts behind his love for Lilly Potter, which Voldemort can sense but is too disgusted to actually delve behind, thinking they're not important, and Wormtongue, to whom Harry once showed mercy. Possible minor sub-themes: the lament of Narcissa, Dumbledore’s Painting, the Muggle Rebellion, the Scouring of the Ministry, Percy’s return.

Other main themes: Ron and Hermione, the resolution of Cho Chang’s plot line (maybe involving the last Horcrux?), the resolution of Snape, the recant of Malfoy, the joining of the Houses, the Redemption of Regalus, the International Solution, Harry and Ginny, Quidditch, and the Exultation of Neville, the Rise of the House Elves, the Defeat of the Dementors.

Since the time is was announced that two characters will die in the new book, I've formulated the idea that it is Neville, in order to redeem his parents/show his worth (we never really HAVE seen why Neville was placed in Gryffindor over Hufflepuff despite book 1's "heroics" at the end, and either Ron or Hermione, whose new found love for each other will be broken, and yet force them to go on to help Harry.

-TheE-

[Gan]

I cant wait either, it makes me twitterpated thinking about it.


I cant wait to see hermoine...naked.


K.

Good news for you, she'll be 17 in April 07.

[SpunGirl]

I need to go back and read book six, but.... I'm really oober hoping Dumbledore isn't actually dead. It always seems like some silly spell they learn midway through the books becomes important later on, so I'm hoping Snape used a non-spoken spell (I can't remember the name right now) to put Dumbledore into a deep sleep, but everyone THINKS he killed him so that keeps the Malfoys off of his back for now.

I would also be totally excited to see Draco turn against his parents and to the good side, maybe after being molested by Voldemort or something. The only thing that really irked me about book six was Harry's Superman-like breakup with Ginny, like, "Oh, Mary Jane - I mean Ginny - it's too dangerous."

-K

[TheEschaton]

I like the idea of Draco "turning"...I think there were serious indications in book 6 that he could never really be a Death Eater like his father. In fact, I think the tension with Slytherin house will continue until Draco somehow manages to come back, and side with Harry, and convince the rest of the Slytherin that their idiocy isn't worth the time.

I've never liked anything about the relationship between Harry and Ginny. It strikes me as cheesy and stupid. Falling for your best friend's sister? I mean, come on. I hope Ginny dies, leaving Harry alone again. But most likely, when Ron/Hermione dies, Harry is gonna realize it is better to love and lose than to just lose, so he'll get back together with her during the "grieving" process.

-TheE-

[Stanley Burrell]

I have never read any of the books (easily circumvented by the infinitely more impressive Hollywood-style movieness + rampant internet spoilage.)

That one dude Olaf the Janitor (or Argus Filch for the lesser informed [played by David Bradley]) is the most pimp mofo, hands down, throughout the entire book/movie/whatever series hands down. Twice.

That guy is awesome in the Senor Cardgage sense.

[TheEschaton]

I'm bumping this because I feel the need to discuss Harry Potter. As much as possible. For the next six months.

-TheE-

[Sean of the Thread]

Good news for you, she'll be 17 in April 07.

She's already made a film with frontal nudity and cock rubbing. Acceptable to whichever foreign country the film was made in I guess.. France I think? Anyways a little google work and you'll find it and a felonious charge.

[CrystalTears]

Heh, what's up with the Harry Potter crew going naked?

[TheEschaton]

I just pre-ordered my copy of Deathly Hallows on Amazon. It'll ship on July 20th.

However, I received Talladega Nights from Amazon the day before it was officially released when I pre-ordered, which I'm excited about.

-TheE-

[Drew2]

I've never seen that movie and I never will.

When you know a lot of people that are really like that, it's not funny to see them in a movie, because they're definitely not funny irl.

[TheEschaton]

Wait, Hermione did full-frontal nudity in a movie?

-TheE-

[Lomoriond]

Clemence Posy (Fleur) did a nude scene that RAISED HELL because people are stupid and can't possibly separate two different roles played by the same actress.


Technically, Maggie Smith (McGonagall) has done some nude scenes too, but no one is complaining about those (actually picturing her nude may cause retinas to implode)

[CrystalTears]

I wouldn't use Maggie Smith as a comparison since she's already playing an adult role. The problem for these retarded parents is that for some reason those playing children roles are never allowed to grow up and eventually play adult roles. Those parents can kiss my ass.

[TheEschaton]

William Hill spokesman Rupert Adams said: "JK mentioned that Harry might be killed off and the general consensus seems to be that Harry is the final Horcrux and to ensure that Voldemort dies he will need to be sacrificed."

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Damn, I never even considered this...Harry as the final Horcrux? Opinions? The flash of green light that Harry "remembers" seems to indicate Voldemort said the Avada Kedavra.

-TheE-

[Drew2]

I hope she does kill him off. I will want more books if she doesn't.

[CrystalTears]

I've heard that theory too, of Harry being killed off. That would be an option for JK so that she wouldn't be compelled to write about Harry after graduation. :D

[Lomoriond]

I more or less pointed it out for humorous comparison... When they cast a 25 year old to play a "high school student" and she happens to have a filmography that includes nudity, so some parents throw a fit.

No such fit exists when we start talking about a 72 year old cast to play an older character, mostly (IMHO) because admitting there exists the possibility old people might become nude if their clothing was removed would be like admitting it was you who farted... sure you could do it, but is anyone really any happier about it?

[Drew2]

Speaking of late 20-somethings playing High school students, Smallville tonight, woohoo!

[StrayRogue]

Of course Potter will die. Snape is going to die too.

[Lomoriond]

A spoiler straight from the lips of J.K. Rowling

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGEkzh9pl_Q

[CrystalTears]

A spoiler straight from the lips of J.K. Rowling

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGEkzh9pl_Q
:rofl:

[TheEschaton]

Little-bit-more-than-one-week-to-go-bump. I've formulated some new theories, I'll post them after work today. It's been a slow week.

-TheE-

[Numbers]

The last Horcrux is going to be Harry's scar. In the final showdown between Harry and Voldemort, Harry will face the dilemma of having to kill himself to destroy the horcrux (scar). Snape is going to show up and help Harry, telling him that he knows of a way to destroy the horcrux without Harry having to die, but to do so, Harry would lose all of his magic powers. Harry does this, and either Harry or Snape will kill Voldemort, but Snape will also die in the process.

Any bets?

[CrystalTears]

I doubt Harry would sacrifice his powers as it's all he has. I think he'd rather it take his soul or something and be the next generation Voldermort.

[Bobmuhthol]

I want to be Mr. Spoiler so badly right now but I'll keep it to myself.

[CrystalTears]

You did it for the last book. What's stopping you? :tongue:

[TheEschaton]

Mr. Spoiler? Here's Mr. Spoiler. I wrote this pretty much over the course of the last two years since the last book came out. It's all conjecture, but I think it's pretty good conjecture. I think the scar thing might be right, but I originally developed a different theory:

-TheE-
P.S. Yes, I am a dork.
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HARRY POTTER MUST DIE

The situation we find ourselves in kind of reminds me of that movie Will Ferrell was in, called “Stranger Than Fiction.” In order for the ending of the Harry Potter series to be perfect, and transcend literature in general, Harry must die. Harry must die because it is the fate of all tragic heroes – for all to live, one must die. Harry is the Christ-like figure, Harry is Keanu Reeves from the Matrix. I just hope JK doesn’t take the route the author took in Stranger than Fiction, and keep Harry alive because he deserves to live. This is beyond deserving to live – this is about epic story arcs, redemption-via-death, defeating evil not by killing, but by being killed. This is the savior-rhetoric, the perfectly sublime taking form in the ultimate sacrifice of pacifism. Did not Dumbledore, the wisest and most powerful wizard of his age, say there are worse things than death, and that death is just another of life’s journeys? Have not all our heroes in real life been cut down in their prime? The Kennedy brothers, Martin Luther King, John Lennon, Jimi Hendrix – all of them played with fire and greatness, in different arenas of life, and all of them died tragically young, denying us potential greatness from their latter years. And who’s to say that wasn’t for the better? I happen to agree with Neil Young, who famously opined, “It’s better to burn out, than to fade away.”

Having come to the conclusion that Harry Potter must die, I was left with the conundrum of how exactly that was going to happen. We know two characters must die in the 7th book, at least, according to JK Rowling. I think it’s probably more like two main characters, and a possible slew (a slew officially being defined by me as 2-4) more minor characters dying. Here is how I see it playing out (this was all drawn from an outline of the fictional 7th book I was going to write, and the first few chapters of it which I wrote). Firstly, the new Minister will have to form an alliance with the Muggles to prepare for the onslaught by Voldemort. Then, I think in the course of a will reading (remember, even Sirius had a will), Dumbledore will implore Harry to return to Hogwarts, not as a student, but as the teacher for Defense of the Dark Arts (remember, he will come of age at the beginning of the 7th book). This serves two functions: Harry is obviously the best wizard in the school to teach other students practical magic for the war, as witnessed by the DA in OotP, and it is the one thing Voldemort wanted but never got – to remain at Hogwarts. Furthermore, through this position as faculty, and someone whose main job will be to teach practical magic, Harry can then unite the Houses as necessary, as the Sorting Hat implores. This will be easier because of the Parvati Twins (Griffindor-Ravenclaw connections), the link Cedric and Harry forged (Gryffindor-Hufflepuff), and the fact that Malfoy is gone, to form the crucial Gryffindor-Slytherin alliance. It seems likely that Blaise Zabini, in Malfoy’s absence, will rise to the leadership of Slytherin (I mean, who else could, Crabbe, Goyle? Please), and since he thinks Ginny Weasley is pretty, might be more willing to listen to Harry and Ginny combined than Malfoy. Furthermore, Slughorn’s Slug Club might help those two particularly troublesome houses ally themselves.

With the events of HBP, there’s quite a few faculty positions to fill.
I obviously think Harry takes over DADA, but it seems obvious to me that McGonagall will become Headmistress – as for her Deputy, I can see Prof. Flitwick or maybe even Hagrid. The new Transfiguration teacher (because it seems like the Headmaster/mistress does not teach) is tricky; I’m thinking Tonks, probably because she’s a natural Metamorphagus, and because of the added security of having another Order member on faculty. I think Slughorn will continue on as Potions master. At some point, I think we’ll also get a glimpse of Snape’s current life too, hidden away but now considered Voldemort’s most trusted servant, much to Bellatrix Lestrange and Wormtail’s dismay.

As a faculty member, Harry’ll have much more free time to pursue other hobbies. Or, yanno, preparing for open war. At some point, he’ll realize RAB has to refer to Regulus Black, and that the locket they found in the cabinet was probably the Horcrux that Harry and Dumbledore were trying to get at the end of HBP. In a twist, that’s probably one of the things Kreacher horded away, or, alternatively, one of the things Mundungus filched from the House of Black. Harry will have to deal with that. Kreacher might even take it to the Malfoys, Draco and Lucius will be in hiding, but Mrs. Malfoy (her name escapes me) might be willing to even barter a seemingly worthless locket for assurances of her son (we see her very much concerned about him in HBP, forcing Snape to take the Unbreakable Vow). She might barter with Harry, maybe with Snape who’s probably holding Draco for Voldemort, who knows.

Hufflepuff’s cup will be found with the help of Zacharias Smith. It seems obvious to me he’s the descendant of the woman Voldemort stole it from. This serves two purposes: it strengthens unity between Hufflepuff and Gryffindor, and it allows an annoying character to redeem himself and let Harry search for clues in their house. Initially, I imagine Smith’ll be cheesed that his DADA teacher is Harry, but they’ll get over it.

Oh, by the way, Hermione will be head girl, and head boy might be….uhm…there’s no strong male characters in the books besides Harry (impossible) and Ron (too cheesy)….maybe the annoying boy from Hufflepuff? Or, maybe Ron’ll be head boy, and the Ravenclaw Patel twin will be head girl, just to annoy Hermione and develop their relationship? After all, Ron took Padma to the Midwinter Ball in GoF. I can see him using her as leverage against Krum’s advances…

Speaking of which, in regards to the international wizarding community, I think it’ll be likely that Krum’ll organize Durmstrang, and Fleur (through her marriage to Bill)/Madame Maxime will organize Beauxbatons through their relationships England-side to help fight. I doubt they’ll be involved more than in a peripheral way, solely in any large war that might be waged. The same might be true for the giants, and Grawp may hold sway over some of them in the end.

Ginny will be consistently pushed back by Harry, and she’ll continue to push towards him, and this’ll be a main theme in the book, I think. Harry’ll be unable to be in a relationship with one of his students anyways.

In the search for the remaining 2 Horcrux, we will come to realize Dumbledore was wrong. He, after all, tells Harry that after a certain point, everything he’s telling him is conjecture, which he isn’t sure about, and might very well be wrong about. I think, here, Dumbledore’s unfamiliarity with Horcruxes will be what he’s wrong about. There are 7 parts of Voldemort’s soul, 6 of which reside in objects, and the diary (CoS) and the ring have been destroyed. The locket and the cup will be the third and the fourth. The fifth and the sixth have been posited to be something of Rowena Ravenclaw’s, and the snake Nagini, because Dumbledore can’t think of anything Voldemort could have ever laid hands on of Griffyndor’s. Stylistically, it’s foolish, considering Voldemort’s love of Hogwarts, and Rowling’s use of balance as a theme, to consider there’s not a Horcrux from Griffyndor. I have no idea how the Ravenclaw Horcrux will be found, but I imagine some further clue of it will pop up magically in tDH. As for Dumbledore’s conjecture that Nagini is a Horcrux, I think that’s plain wrong. To embody one’s soul in a living creature, especially one normally considered dangerous which people would try to kill naturally if seen, would be foolish. No, where Dumbledore’s mistake lies, is in thinking Voldemort would need a long, lengthy ceremony to imbue his soul into an object, and that the murder which makes the Horcrux has to happen immediately prior to the making. Furthermore, I think Dumbledore is mistaken in thinking Voldemort, who is actually a rather conservative villain (consider that he comes back at the end of GoF, makes a brief, brief appearance in OotP, and is never seen at all in HBP) would go to kill the Potters without all of his Horcruxes made. No, I think the final Horcrux was made well before he entered the house in Godric’s Hollow. And here’s why: consider Voldemort coming to Dumbledore for the DADA teaching position. He knew Dumbledore didn’t trust him. He knew that Dumbledore knew about the kind of black magic he was dabbling in. He must have known, because Voldemort is actually very smart, that he had no chance of getting the job. Why go then? I think a clue is revealed in the Pensieve scene Harry witnesses. At the end, Harry thinks Voldemort, in anger, is about to pull out a wand and use it on Dumbledore – instead, it seems like Voldemort is only making a flicking motion with his hand. What if this was a silent spell? There has to be a reason silent spells were introduced in HBP (even though we knew of them conceptually from Voldemort v. Dumbledore at the end of OotP). More specifically, what if this is a silent spell which imbues one’s soul into an object, stored up from some previous murder? But what object can it be? Dumbledore is sure that the only item left of Gryffindor is his sword, and he’s pretty sure that Voldemort’s soul isn’t in that. BUT THAT ISN’T THE ONLY GRYFFINDOR RELIC REMAINING. We have been told, specifically in the books, that one more remains: the Sorting Hat, which Godric Gryffindor swept off his head, and used to sort the houses when Hogwarts was founded. And think of it; it makes total sense. Horcruxes, in the past (the diary especially comes to mind) have been strongly magical objects, sometimes displaying intelligence. The Sorting Hat was already intelligent – and already had a purpose with conformed with Voldemort’s goals: to DIVIDE. So he imbues his soul into the hat, and the hat maybe becomes a little more sarcastic, a little more divisive. And think of how the hat reacted when it sorted Harry – it wanted to put him in Slytherin, but through Harry’s force of will, put him in Gryffindor. Having the hat serves two purposes in its destruction as well: one, a piece of Voldemort’s soul is destroyed, and two, there is no thing which separates the houses into factions any more. This is why I’ve concluded, the Sorting Hat is the 6th Horcrux. Alternatively, there is another idea of what the 6th Horcrux might be – but that I will leave for the end of this document.

To tie up some other loose ends before we get to the main crux (no pun intended) of the matter, the matter of Snape’s loyalties. Malfoy, maybe in return for the locket Mrs. Malfoy exchanges to Harry/Snape, or by his own machinations, will somehow escape/come back to Hogwarts a changed man. He’ll see the error of his ways, and be the strongest force for the reunification of Slytherin with the other three houses. Ron and Hermione will realize they love each other deeply, probably through the external pressures placed on them by Padma Patel and Viktor Krum. They will be inseparable. Neville will continue to grow in his magical skills under Harry’s tutelage, and will, in the end game (to be discussed) will do something to redeem his parents – I imagine it will have to do with killing Bellatrix Lestrange, or at least somehow taking them out of the picture. Luna will be his girlfriend, and encourage him in some way. Ron will actually be Quidditch captain and Head Boy, as he saw in Erised in tPS. Rita Skeeter, as an unregistered Animagus (and the only one who can really be unnoticed) might be recruited as a spy to figure out what’s going on with the Death Eaters. The centaurs, now that I think of it, might be well suited to helping Harry find Ravenclaw’s Horcrux – I believe she was an astronomer of sorts. Percy Weasley will be reunited with the Weasleys at the wedding, which will take place at the Weasley’s house. Wormtail will somehow be jealous of Snape, and will eventually betray (or think he’s betraying) Snape to Harry. He, after all, owes a life debt to Harry.

If there’s other loose ends, I don’t know ‘em. And now, we get to the big reveal: Snape. Severus Snape, more and more, is becoming the central figure of this epic. In many ways, the conflict of the series is between Harry and Snape, not Harry and Voldemort. Snape is the supposed embodiment of Voldemort, the mean teacher everyone always hated. What we eventually realize as adults, though, is that these individuals came to their place of hatred for a reason. Just as we’ve seen a softening of Voldemort in terms of how there is some sympathy to be made for him, Snape has become a characters whose depths I think we will finally see exposed in tDH. And only because he wants us to see those depths. First off, let me say this: I think Snape was, is, and will forevermore be on Dumbledore’s side. I say that instead of “Snape is one of the good guys” because I’m still unconvinced of his goodness. Consumed by rage, resentment, and bitterness, can one really be good if what caused all those things stems from something pure? Snape is a complex character, but furthermore, a closed off character. Since the series is told from Harry’s (3rd person) limited viewpoint, and Harry doesn’t really understand Snape, we never really get a full picture of Snape. Other characters yes, because they talk things out and you get to know what the Weasleys, Hermione, Dumbledore, et al, are thinking. Snape is the ultimate closed book. So what do we know about Snape?

We know Snape was the same year at Hogwarts as many other characters: Harry’s parents, Remus Lupin (who, by the way, will eventually succumb to Tonks), Sirius Black, Peter Pettigrew, and so on. We know he’s half-blood, and, like Voldemort, had a muggle father and a pure blood mother. We know he became, shortly after graduating from Hogwart’s, a Death Eater, that he betrayed the Prophecy to Voldemort, and soon thereafter supposedly recanted his Death Eatership to be Dumbledore’s Potions teacher. We know that he’d always wanted the DADA job before being awarded it in tHBP, and that he hated James Potter, and also, to a lesser extent, Sirius Black. And there’s also all the actual events in the books – his Unbreakable Vow, his killing of Dumbledore, his running away with Malfoy – all that.

More complex is the motivations of the man, masked, as always, by Occlumency. We find out in OotP that Snape is literally one of the world’s best Occlumens, namely, someone who can hide their inner emotions and feelings and thoughts. We cannot, therefore, outwardly trust nor judge any of Snape’s actions, because their motivation and the thought process behind them are always hidden. But what do we think we know? I think the main thing we think we know is that Harry feels Snape hated his mother. I think this is obvious fallacy – Harry is blinded by his rage after seeing Dumbledore die when he makes this statement. The truth of the matter is, Snape loved, and still loves Lily Potter. To argue otherwise is a blatant ignorance of the books. The central chapter in figuring this out is in OotP, which is entitled “Snape’s Worst Memory”. It involves James Potter and Sirius tormenting Snape, hanging him from the air with a spell, and mocking him. Surely this can’t be the part of the memory which warrants “worst” status – after all, from all recollections, JP and SB did that to Snape all the time. I think the key to this memory being the worst is Lily Potter. Think about it: Lily comes to rescue Snape from the bullying of JP and SB. We learn that JP is the one who fancies Lily Evans, and not vice versa. We learn in tHBP that Lily was damn good at Potions – and who else is damn good at Potions? The Half-Blood Prince, who turns out to be Snape himself. I’m sure they were study partners or knew each other through Potions or the Slug Club. Maybe Snape fell in love with her eyes. Either way, I think it was in this Potions class in which Snape fell in love with Lily. The Worst Memory then no longer has to do with the bullying, but the insult Snape flings at Lily when she tries to help him. Calling her “Mudblood”, Lily “looks surprised” and then says that she won’t help him again, and from there, presumably, she goes off to date JP and marry him, while JP secretly (out of sight of Lily) continues to torment Snape. Even Harry, at the end of the memory, wonders how his mother could have fallen in love with such an arrogant JP. And remember the anger of Snape when he discovers Harry in this memory? According to Harry’s limited view, it is the angriest (and most openly emotional) Snape he has ever seen. This is why Snape cannot continue the Occlumency studies – he has shown his most vulnerable side to HP. Recall, the only thing Snape says to Harry when he pulls him out of the memory is “Don’t you ever speak a word of this to anyone”, or something to that effect. His concern is his vulnerability, not that Harry necessarily was the one to see it.

Think of it: it is why he simultaneously hates Harry, and protects him. He looks like James, but has his mother’s eyes (and temperament, some might say). It is why he is completely broken by his betrayal of telling the Prophecy to Voldemort. He did not know who the Prophecy pertained to, and it was only after Voldemort acted against the Potters that he recanted and came crawling to Dumbledore. Think of it: why does Dumbledore trust him so implicitly? Because Snape loves, and love is the most powerful, awful force in the world, and I think Dumbledore bound him to his love of Lily to always do Dumbledore’s work.

But, you say, what about the grimace and the look of hatred in his eyes when he kills Dumbledore?? What about the Unbreakable Vow he makes with NARCISSA (there’s her name!) to help Draco complete his project from the Dark Lord? What of all the mean ass things he’s done over the years? I’m not denying Snape has anger issues, but these things have to be viewed from a certain standpoint. First of all, I’m not convinced Snape knew what Draco’s mission was. Why would he pretend he did? To irk Bellatrix, to make it seem, amongst his own followers, that he was the most favored and close advisor to Voldemort. This is why he hesitates – not because he is unwilling to kill Dumbledore as Bellatrix thinks (because she thinks he’s actually loyal to him, which he is) – but because he doesn’t know what’s in store for him in making this Vow. This is further backed up in the Slughorn Christmas party scene, after which he accosts Draco to let him know what the mission is, so that he can help, and Draco accuses him of trying to steal his glory. Furthermore, I think at some point he does find out, and he is flat against killing Dumbledore. Dumbledore, obviously, in his wisdom, realizes the defeat of Voldemort is worth more than his life, and if it takes that for Snape to get that close, it must be done. There is an indication near the end of tHBP that Dumbledore and Snape get in a huge fight, and it is told to Harry that Snape tells Dumbledore that he refuses to do something any more. In his naivety, HP thinks it means spying on the Death Eaters – I think it refers more to Snape’s unwillingness to kill Dumbledore.

And that’s why Snape has the look of hatred and loathing on his face at the end of tHBP – what he has to do is the last thing he wants to do. Dumbledore’s pleading voice is not pleading to help him – but pleading to kill him, to continue the ruse, to destroy Voldemort. For Snape to do this must have been gruesome. Think of the last time we see Snape – he’s running away, and HP is chasing him. He easily deflects all of HP’s spells, and actually seems rather calm about the whole situation – until HP calls him a coward. This insult, more than anything else ever said to him, incenses Snape to furious degrees. It’s only then that he, in his anger, tosses a spell at Harry that actually could hurt him, which knocks him to the ground. He screams at Harry to not call him a coward, because, in reality, he has the least cowardly job of all the OotP. He is the deepest undercover agent ever – he’s the mythical UC posing as a drug dealer who actually kills a cop to maintain his cover.

But, but how does he hide this from Voldemort, the world’s best Legilimins, and one of the most powerful wizards ever? Well, firstly, Snape is a good Occlumens, but I don’t think he even has to go that far. His ability to love is something Voldemort can’t look past – it might be why he distrusted Snape a bit to begin with after his rise.

That being said, Snape will be HP’s aid in trying to kill Voldemort. First, however, Neville will offer himself up in true sacrifice, to honor his parents, by killing Bellatrix, and Wormtail will fulfill his life-debt to Harry by revealing to Harry how and where to find Voldemort. Snape will be at his "master's" side, but sabotage the Dark Lord's efforts to kill Harry outright in the final showdown, and, when all seems lost, temporarily disable Voldemort, leaving Harry ample time and space to kill him. However, at some point, HP will realize to kill Voldemort is to sink to his level, and that HP has never really had the feeling necessary to ever perform one of the Forbidden Curses. In the end, Harry will die once Voldemort recovers, but Voldemort, being so tied up in Harry’s soul, will die too (much like the Matrix, actually). I can see the book closing with Snape and Ron/Hermione (the embodiment of love which is the theme of the book) standing over the graves of Harry, James, and Lily Potter.

As for the alternative theory that Harry or his scar are the Horcrux, it's interesting, but I don't see it as viable. Firstly, Harry's earliest memories are of the bright green light from the Avada curse. Secondly, Harry, while connected to Voldemort, can't be imbued with Voldemort's soul - we see in both the first book and the fifth, when Voldemort touches/possesses Harry, he can't stand being in him. Now, if his seventh part of the soul can't stand being in Harry at the end of OotP, how can another part of his soul withstand it for the previous 16 years? Lastly, to discredit this theory, I would say this: why would Voldemort actively (in books 1, 2, 4, and 5) try and kill Harry if he knew part of his soul resided in Harry? It makes no sense, and the whole feud makes no sense. Voldemort wouldn't want to kill Harry just to get "revenge" for a failed killing from before, if it wasn't a failed killing to begin with but a successful imbuing of his soul. I can only conclude that the spell was a failure.

[Revon1]

That was the best damn theory for the deathly hollows I have EVAR read. Everything you said makes a hell of a lot of sense and ties a lot of events together. Would definitly make for a good read. Hopefully, Rowling will end the HP series on an epic level. I'd better be fucking pleased by the end of the book.

[TheEschaton]

yeah, I was thinking of posting it on mugglenet, btu I'm sure those guys have said all of this at one point or the other.

-TheE-

[SpunGirl]

I'm not really sure I'm on board with the idea of Harry becoming a teacher. It doesn't make sense that the will of a Headmaster should hold sway over the appointment of new teachers. On the other hand, if the Ministry loves the idea (good publicity for them), they might FORCE the issue.

I actually bought the book that mugglenet.com published (yes, I r dork), and I agree with their theory that Wormtail (Pettigrew) is indebted to Harry for saving his life in book three. This will come into play during Harry's showdown with Voldemort, and will stop Harry from killing himself in order to destroy the horcrux - in other words, in order to repay the debt, Wormtail will tell Harry how to destroy that bit without doing himself in.

If one of the trio dies, I think Hermoine is most likely. However, I HOPE none of them does. At least one of the Weasleys has got to go - Bill is already hurt, so it's not him, and you can't split up the Fred/George duo (they're kinda in the background, anyway, along with Charlie). I think Percy is a likely candidate, perhaps he dies after he stumbles upon something in the ministry that he shouldn't have seen? Either of the parents dying would bum me out, since they're kind of Harry's surrogate parents, anyway. I don't think Ginny is a likely candidate - she's had her moment of mortal danger in book two.

I'm also excited to learn more about Aunt Petunia's role in things - I don't think it will come out that she's a closeted witch or anything, but she definitely knows more about the magical world than she's saying.

One thing that has always bugged me is that Harry doesn't seem to have any relatives that have come forward - grandparents, aunts and uncles (besides the Dursleys) - you'd think his father's family, at least, would have some people bopping around that would like to be a part of Harry's life.

One other thing that wouldn't surprise me would be The Rebellion of Hermoine - her parents get wind of things, decide it's all too dangerous and horrid, and try to remove her from school and revert her back to the muggle world. She of course will resist this and maybe run away - and maybe that's when she gets herself killed?

-K

[TheEschaton]

I'm still not convinced Harry is the Horcrux at all, as per my last paragraph. It's a bit of a ridiculous idea, IMO, and doesn't make sense. I think Wormtail's debt will be fulfilled by revealing Voldemort and/or Snape's location.

And what's to force Harry to go back to Hogwarts if not to teach, and if not advised from beyond the grave by Dumblodore? His painting in the headmaster's suite might play a part in this too. I think, stylistically, Harry as a teacher fits.

[TheEschaton]

I think Ginny, or either Ron or Hermione dying, makes sense, btw. There needs to be an affirmation of love which comes from the death of a loved one.

I forgot to mention in my synopsis my thoughts of Aunt Petunia. My feelings are that she was always secretly jealous of Lily. I think she might also have some indication of Snape's love for Lily. In the fan fiction first chapter I wrote, she had a crush on James based on an anonymous poem Lily got from James (allegedly), which she gives ot Harry right before he leaves the house...wrapped around a locket, which turns out to be the Horcrux. That latter bit about the Horcrux being in the Dursley house strikes me as a little bit too easy now, but I can see the poem thing - and I can see it actually being from Snape, and neither Lily nor Petunia knew it. In fact, I can see Lily falling in love with James because of it, when Snape was the one who wrote it. As for the larger part she plays, I think Petunia must give Harry something of his mother, in some way, if not something like this poem. Furthermore, I think she'll be key in the Muggle participation in the war - she'll realize how much she loved Lily, and convince others, IE Dudley and the husband.

It's all so devious. I love it.

-TheE-

[CrystalTears]

For some reason, Harry becoming a teacher would completely bore and disappoint me.

[Khariz]

The last Horcrux is going to be Harry's scar. In the final showdown between Harry and Voldemort, Harry will face the dilemma of having to kill himself to destroy the horcrux (scar). Snape is going to show up and help Harry, telling him that he knows of a way to destroy the horcrux without Harry having to die, but to do so, Harry would lose all of his magic powers. Harry does this, and either Harry or Snape will kill Voldemort, but Snape will also die in the process.

Any bets?

I think this, but that its Wormtail that will help him, not Snape. I know that's insane, but I have my reasons.

[TheEschaton]

Dude, him being the last Horcrux MAKES NO SENSE. NONE. ZERO.

Edited to add: I think people continue to think it because then his death is "justifiable". But that's never gonna be the case. A good person is going to die, and just because a bad person wants him dead, no more, no less.

[Stretch]

You are the biggest nerd in the world.

[Khariz]

Dude, him being the last Horcrux MAKES NO SENSE. NONE. ZERO.

Edited to add: I think people continue to think it because then his death is "justifiable". But that's never gonna be the case. A good person is going to die, and just because a bad person wants him dead, no more, no less.

Okay, I have something to admit.

I posted that before I read your big post. I think you have me convinced that at least Harry doesn't *have* to be a Horcrux.

What is your explanation for why one cannot live unless the other is dead? You probably explained that, but I missed it.

[SpunGirl]

Harry doesn't have to be a horcrux, for certain. In fact, as fun as it would be if he were, there's a decent argument against it - that Voldemort went to Godric's Hollow that night to kill the Potters, nothing more. He wasn't prepared to create a horcrux (which is almost certainly complicated) and therefore did not.

Also, Godric's Hollow? Godric Gryffindor? Harry will go back there, and he'll discover something to his benefit.

-K

[TheEschaton]

One can't live while the other lives is merely an affirmation of the fact that neither will rest until the other is dead. I don't think it's one of those things where the world'll explode, it's just the characteristics of the characters. Both are driven.

Oh, and Godric's Hollow is obvi in relationship to Gryffindor. Who knows what HP will find there.

-TheE-

[Bobmuhthol]

I will tell you, TheE, that your theory on the book's ending ain't right. It's also the only part of your post that I actually read.

Sorry, dude!

[TheEschaton]

And how the hell would you know? Do you work at Scholastic now? Oh, no, wait, I forgot, you're still in high school.

[Bobmuhthol]

lmao, way to get personally offended

How would I know? It's the internet. Read some news articles - whoever the fuck is in charge of not letting hackers in to the servers storing the digital copies of the book fucked up, and admitted to it.

[SpunGirl]

I don't understand what the hax0rs think they're spoiling. People are still going to read the book even if they know the ending. According to mugglenet.com, the last word of the book is probably "scar."

-K

[TheEschaton]

I'm sorry, I read that "hacked" version posted by Gabriel, and it doesn't even make sense. At all.

And JK in an interview said that "scar" was supposed to be the last word, but it only ended up near the end.

Believe me, Bob, I read most articles about Harry Potter, sadly enough.

[Bobmuhthol]

<<I don't understand what the hax0rs think they're spoiling. People are still going to read the book even if they know the ending.>>

I'm not so sure they're trying to reduce sales...

[TheEschaton]

Oh, and any article about the hacking says it's a feasible scheme....if some Bloomsbury employee was stupid enough to open an EMail from an unknown source, click on a link from that unknown source, and then click on an icon on that new webpage. Yeah, right.

-TheE-

[Bobmuhthol]

What? Do you.. uh.. know what hacking is?

[TheEschaton]

That's the scheme that the supposed hacker said he used.

Regardless, his little synopsis makes no sense....Draco makes a Horcrux for fun? Draco is integral to the story, but only if he comes back to the side of Harry. Why is the final battle taking place in Privet Drive?

[SpunGirl]

Hm. If that's true... maybe it's because Voldemort goes to PD looking for Harry, and Harry is either a) already there (not likely) or b) goes there with the knowledge that Voldemort is holding his family hostage (as much as he dislikes them, it's still the "right" thing to do).

-K

[Bobmuhthol]

He must be pretty beef wellington. I'm not particularly interested in any of it, and didn't do nearly as extensive research as you, but I'm confident in who I believe dies and lives.

[Numbers]

I'm pretty sure that hacked version was revealed as a fake a long time ago (in Internet time, which is a few weeks or so).

Never know, though. I never bothered reading it.

[Kuyuk]

What if harry makes a hortacrux?

K.

[Gan]

Harry's not the horcrux becuase if he were, it would not have killed pro. quibbly in book 1 when he touched harry.

Also they would have just killed harry in book 5 instead of needing only 3 drops of his blood in order to bring V back.

The scar/harry is not one of V's horcrux.

[TheEschaton]

THANK YOU, someone who can finally see logic and reason. In regards to Harry Potter, at least.

-TheE-

[Khariz]

I've never said that *Harry* is the Horcrux, but I have pondered the *Scar* being the Horcrux. This could have incidental effects to harry's mood, demeanor, etc, but still make sense in the grand scheme of things (unless of course it take as much intention to make one as everyone believes, and thus would not make sense).

Harry != Scar

[TheEschaton]

It would make no sense, then, that his (Voldemort's) body would be destroyed on making the last Horcrux, if it was Harry's scar that was the last Horcrux.

Less than a week til we find out I am (mostly) (probably) right.
-theE-

[Numbers]

Dude, you take this way too seriously.

[CrystalTears]

No kidding.

[TheEschaton]

The internetz r serious business, as is Harry Potter.

[Artha]

NERDS.

And yes, I say that with full knowledge of what the PC is and what that entails.

[TheEschaton]

-TheE-
P.S. Yes, I am a dork.


I never denied it.

[SpunGirl]

Being a dork is fun. While I think JK could spin it either way, it makes MORE sense that Voldemort didn't go there intending to make a horcrux, so... he didn't. Of course, that opens up new avenues for Pettigrew to repay his debt to Harry, like maybe revealing a specific weakness of Voldemort's that no one previously knew about, or even revealing the location of one of V's horcruxes.

-K

[TheEschaton]

that latter idea is really a good one.

The only thing with Wormtail is, though, that I think there'll have to be some stress and pressure on Wormtail before he realizes the debt he owes Harry. he's not gonna just suddenly one day think "Oh yeah, I need to help that kid out..."

-TheE-

[SpunGirl]

Very true. Perhaps Voldemort will be mean to him (like he is to everyone) and he'll start to feel that helping Harry will be better for him in the end. After all, Pettigrew is an opportunist, IMO, and not really loyal to anyone except himself.

I also DON'T like the idea of Neville dying while avenging his parents with Bellatrix and Arthur Lestrange. Neville being dead wouldn't MEAN anything, even if he kills the Lestranges in the process.

One theory I've read that I LOVE is about Neville - the fact that he's the offspring of two supposedly awesome wizards and yet he's kind of fumbling and bumbling himself. The theory is that he was made to forget something traumatic (his parents' torture?) and when that happened the spell went a bit too far, and now he can't remember anything. However, eventually that might be cured/wear off and Neville will prove to be fuckin' awesomeface.

-K

[TheEschaton]

yeah, Neville's storyline (as I've conjured it up) is a little troublesome to me as well. I think it is somehow significant that he was the other boy the Prophecy could have referred to. As for why he's bumbling - I think that's just because his parents are literally the most ripshit in the whole series. I think once he realizes he doesn't have to live up to some grand expectation of who they were, he actually will. I mean, they went MAD from the Cruciatus curse, instead of giving up information...

..what information do you suppose was that important?

...maybe Neville has something to do with the last Horcrux?

Yanno what always stuck me as odd? That Neville was in Gryffindor to begin with. His strong point is Herbology, and his nature seems to me that he'd definitely be more fit for Hufflepuff. Sure, he has his moments of Gryffindor bravery - but anyone can. Cedric Diggory was brave too, yanno.

Now what I am about to say is absolute batshit insane and not based on anything - but what if Neville was put in Gryffindor House because....he's an heir of Gryffindor?? He's actually pure blood, yanno - that would be insane.

-TheE-

[SpunGirl]

That would be an awesome twist. It's feasible too - Tom was put in Slytherin because of his mother's lineage, even though his other half was muggle. Blood ties won out over Slytherin's dislike for half-bloods.

-K

[Numbers]

I like my theory better, because it doesn't take four fucking pages to explain.

[TheEschaton]

It's a seven book series. If you could sum it up in a sentence or two, it wouldn't be worth talking about.

[Sean]

I've never read a single harry potter book. That being said, I fully expect very few of you to actually like the ending and to be highly annoyed ala the ending to the Soprano's. I hope everyones tempered their expectations for the best ending ever!

[Alfster]

Isn't Harry Potter a kids book?

[Gelston]

I think its rated "Young Adult".

[Alfster]

Ahh, makes sense why TheE is so into it then

[SpunGirl]

It feeds my starving imagination.

-K

[TheEschaton]

Everyone seeks to escape. Alfster chooses to do it in his redneckness, I choose to do it in books.

We could discuss at length Dostoevsky, but alas, I rarely find people animated enough about the greatest Russian author ever (fuck you Tolstoy!)

-TheE-

[Daniel]

No, fuck you!

[Sean of the Thread]

There's not enough sun in WI to create true rednecks.

[SpunGirl]

Okay, another question: JK said that someone will manage magic "very late in life" in book seven. Who do you think it is?

-K

[Miss X]

I think either Arabella Figg or Filch. I think it has to be a squib or someone well connected to the magical world. Maybe even one of Hermione's parents? JK already said it definitely wasn't Aunt Petunia which would have been my first guess.

I'm still not totally against the idea of Harry being a Horcrux. I mean, the Death Eaters have had so many chances to kill him and so has Voldemort but it's never happened. I can imagine at the end, Harry kills Voldemort and then, being the last remaining horcrux, has to kill himself too. It would be a nice way for JK to avoid the constant pressure to write more about Harry.

I guess for me it's like... Harry has had such a dramatic life and gone through all of that, wins and then what? Life will be boring for him after spending years with his whole life consumed by fighting Voldemort. I hope he doesn't die though!

[TheEschaton]

I think it has to be Figg too. I don't know in what context, or why she (or anyone else who's been non-magical) has to use magic later on in life, etc.

And all Harry's ever wanted was a non-dramatic life. I'm sure he could deal. But he's gonna die anyways.

[Gan]

I'm still not totally against the idea of Harry being a Horcrux. I mean, the Death Eaters have had so many chances to kill him and so has Voldemort but it's never happened. I can imagine at the end, Harry kills Voldemort and then, being the last remaining horcrux, has to kill himself too. It would be a nice way for JK to avoid the constant pressure to write more about Harry.

Voldemort would have killed Harry in the GY in book 5 had Harry not connected wands. V's curse was the arvada kedarva (sp) which instead of hitting Harry struck Harry's cast thus creating the priori incantatum where Harry saw his parents and Diggory (and the keeper that was murdered). I believe that V actually cast the AK curse at Harry twice during that episode.

(Something that bothered me about that scene, in that Dumbledore later told Harry that there was nothing that Harry could do to bring his parents back. Yet it was obvious that the apparitions that appeared (Diggory, Harry's parents) were very sentient and actually communicated with Harry. Much the same as the ghosts that are evident all throughout Hogwarts. And then you have the issue of the paintings allthroughout the school and in Dumbledore's office (as well as in other areas of the magical world.))

Then you can go back to the end of book 2 where Dobby countered the AK curse that Malfoy Sr. was going to cast at Harry when he discovered that Harry tricked him into setting Dobby free (sock in book).

The only other time, aside from the massive end fight in book 6 (and the massive magical fight in the dept. of Mysteries - book 5), that Harry had the AK curse cast at him (aside from when he was a baby) was when Dumbledore nailed Crouch Jr. up in the tower after he revealed himself to Harry at the end of book 5 and interrupted Crouch's AK cast.

Arguably Snape had several chances at the end of book 6 to kill Harry while being chased through the courtyard but he didnt. Which makes me doubt the whole Dumbledore death scene. Simply because the curse being cast has to have the intent behind it. I use the scene of Harry casting the crucio curse on Bellatrix in the dept. of Mysteries as an example where Voldemort told Harry that you have to 'mean' it when you use an unforgiveable curse. Becuse Bellatrix was not effected in any way with Harry's successful cast. In the end fight in book 6 Harry tried to use it again on Snape and Snape echoed the same sentiment.

PS. The Phoenix movie totally missed the prior incantatum issue when they showed Voldemort's and Dumbledore's wand crossing at the end fight.

[TheEschaton]

Hmmm, I never considered the aspect of Snape not "meaning" the AK curse on Dumbledore...

...but I do find it hard to believe that Dumbledore didn't die, and was faking it throughout the whole funeral, etc. Furthermore, Harry knew something had happened when the binding spell Dumbledore was using on him failed after the AK hit him. And to fall fromt he top of the Astronomy Tower without magically shielding himself in some way? Tough.

And then - he appeared in the painting...that only happens for former Headmasters of Hogwarts.

[Alfster]

There's not enough sun in WI to create true rednecks.

FU, rednecks with snowmobiles are the best kind

[Miss X]

JK already said in an interview that Dumbledore is dead. She also said one character will get a reprieve and that TWO main characters will die. She said Harry won't become a teacher at Hogwarts either, but that someone (not the one we think) will. I suspect Neville will become the herbology teacher. I also think Hermione and Fred & George will die.

[Gan]

If she pulls a Stephen King/Michael Moorecock and kills off all the main characters I'm going to be pissed.

:devil:

[Trouble]

Killing off some/many/all mains will keep her from having to write sequels and prevent others from ninja-writing them. People will still be able to write prequels though, I suppose.

[Gan]

How can you ninja-write a copyrighted storyline?

[Gan]

Without dwelling on the fact that we're a bunch of adults discussing A CHILDREN'S BOOK/SERIES...

I think that because its a children's series, IT DESERVES A HAPPY ENDING!!!

Good must triumph over Evil.

Not to mention how many people will want to invest time into any more of her 'new' stories if they know that she's already proven to kill off the characters that people invest themselves into.

[Khariz]

FYI, to support one of TheE's ideas:

In Newsweek this week, the director of OotP said that the reason he cut Dobby instead of Kreacher in the movie was because J.K. told him that cutting Kreacher would make the storyline later make no sense.

That just about proves that Kreacher is whording a Horcrux in my opinion.

[Tsa`ah]

Heh .. all of this chatter about this book made me wonder about Jordan's next release since it's been almost 2 years. So I snoop around and find out his next book will be title "Memory of Light" ... but don't expect it until next year ... and probably don't expect any more books after unless he can beat the 2 years the doc's at the Mayo Clinic expect him to live. He's got a form of amyloidosis that has seriously impaired his heart function.

[Numbers]

Shit, now I feel bad for all the things I said about the last few Wheel of Time books.

But they still sucked.

[Drisco]

Good Series is Inheritance Trilogy. Movie sucked but the books are pretty good.

[Numbers]

You mean Eragon?

Blurghleblech.

[Kuyuk]

Off topic fuckers.


Ban their ass.

<3 HP, got 2 copies coming! (3 people in my house)

Still think Harry should make a hortacrux himself and say FU to voldybitch.

K.

[Bobmuhthol]

Have a chapter list.


One: The Dark Lord Ascending
Two: In Memoriam
Three: The Dursleys Departing
Four: The Seven Potters
Five: Fallen Warrior
Six: The Ghoul in Pajamas
Seven: The Will of Albus Dumbledore
Eight: The Wedding
Nine: A Place to Hide
Ten: Kreacher's Tale
Eleven: The Bribe
Twelve: Magic Is Might
Thirteen: The Muggle-born Registration Commission
Fourteen: The Thief
Fifteen: The Goblin's Revenge
Sixteen: Godric's Hollow
Seventeen: Bathilda's Secret
Eighteen: The Life and Lies of Albus Dumbledore
Nineteen: The Silver Doe
Twenty: Xenophilius Lovegood
Twenty-one: The Tale of the Three Brothers
Twenty-two: The Deathly Hallows
Twenty-three: Malfoy Manor
Twenty-four: The Wandmaker
Twenty-five: Shell Cottage
Twenty-six: Gringotts
Twenty-seven: The Final Hiding Place
Twenty-eight: The Missing Mirror
Twenty-nine: The Lost Diadem
Thirty: The Sacking of Severus Snape
Thirty-one: The Battle of Hogwarts
Thirty-two: The Elder Wand
Thirty-three: The Prince's Tale
Thirty-four: The Forest Again
Thirty-five: King's Cross
Thirty-six: The Flaw in the Plan
Epilogue

Just my prediction.

[Miss X]

OMG where are you getting your info?

[Khariz]

"Xenophilius Lovegood"

Who is that? Her dead parent?

[Bobmuhthol]

<<OMG where are you getting your info?>>

From the first 495 pages of the book hanging out on my desktop.

<<Who is that? Her dead parent?>>

It's Luna's father, but I don't know if he's dead or not having not read the books.

[Miss X]

Luna's dad is alive, or was at the end of book 6.

[Bobmuhthol]

That makes sense, since Harry wants to talk to him in this chapter.

[Khariz]

Oh, its her mother that's dead. Sorry.

[SpunGirl]

ZOMG CANNOT WAIT. I wonder if the "Mirror" chapter referrs to the two-way mirror OR to maybe a reappearance of The Mirror or Erised. Also, Muggle-Born Registration Comission? Sounds like the Wizarding version of making the Jews wear badges.

-K

[SpunGirl]

I changed the title of the thread a bit since the chapter list is as close as we've been so far to a real spoiler; I don't want to ruin anyone's fun if they don't want to see that stuff.

-K

[Miss X]

JK said the two way mirror would make a reappearance in the final book for sure, so it could be that.

[Khariz]

How many pages is the book in full?

[Miss X]

I read 608 for the UK edition and 784 for the US version.

[SpunGirl]

THEORIES AND IDEAS ON BOB'S CHAPTER LIST:

One: The Dark Lord Ascending - Obviously gaining power/followers
Two: In Memoriam - Some kind of Dumbledore thing.
Three: The Dursleys Departing - Maybe Harry warns them of danger when he comes of age, and they get the hell out of town?
Four: The Seven Potters - Finally, more about Harry's family.
Five: Fallen Warrior - More information about Sirius' death? Not sure.
Six: The Ghoul in Pajamas - No idea.
Seven: The Will of Albus Dumbledore - Obviously, Dumbledore's will!
Eight: The Wedding - Bill and Fleur's wedding.
Nine: A Place to Hide - Harry needs a new safe place when he comes of age, and/or the Order needs a new headquarters.
Ten: Kreacher's Tale - Kreacher is magically bound to do what Harry says, so hopefully he will reveal some things about what the Death Eaters are up to.
Eleven: The Bribe - No idea.
Twelve: Magic Is Might - Going off of the next chapter, maybe this refers to Death Eaters using magic to terrify/upset muggles.
Thirteen: The Muggle-born Registration Commission - Wizard version of Nazi attitude.
Fourteen: The Thief - Has to refer to Mundungus Fletcher.
Fifteen: The Goblin's Revenge - The Goblins either a) do something bad to the good wizards or b) figure out Voldemort is a shithead and do something to upset him.
Sixteen: Godric's Hollow - Harry learns more about what happened that night.
Seventeen: Bathilda's Secret - Isn't this the woman that the Ravenclaw cup was taken from? Maybe she has more stuff.
Eighteen: The Life and Lies of Albus Dumbledore - This would mean that we'll get to hear from Aberforth Dumbledore.
Nineteen: The Silver Doe - No clue.
Twenty: Xenophilius Lovegood - Luna's dad - maybe he helps the Order with more well-placed articles in The Quibbler.
Twenty-one: The Tale of the Three Brothers - Fred, George and Ron? Maybe they went to seek out something else at Harry's instruction. Or maybe there's a third Dumbledore brother that we'll learn about. Who knows.
Twenty-two: The Deathly Hallows - Hopefully this refers to solving the mystery of the arch Sirius fell through.
Twenty-three: Malfoy Manor - Harry goes to confront Draco, but he's dead, killed by Death Eaters for being a pud. Harry instead finds Narcissia Malfoy half-mad with grief for her dead son and imprisoned husband, and turns her to the good guys?
Twenty-four: The Wandmaker - Ollivander tells all.
Twenty-five: Shell Cottage - I don't know.
Twenty-six: Gringotts - The bank obviously, maybe something of importance is stored there.
Twenty-seven: The Final Hiding Place - The last Horcrux is found.
Twenty-eight: The Missing Mirror - Either the two-way or the Mirror of Erised.
Twenty-nine: The Lost Diadem - This might be the Hufflepuff artifact?
Thirty: The Sacking of Severus Snape - This doesn't make much sense, clearly Snape would have to be "sacked" for having killed Dumbledore, but wouldn't that happen earlier in the book? Unless the majority of the book takes place during the summer, which is also an interesting idea.
Thirty-one: The Battle of Hogwarts - Bad guys invade Hogwarts, students kick ass.
Thirty-two: The Elder Wand - Albus Dumbledore's wand is found, OR, this refers to the fact that Voldemort's wand (brother to Harry's) was in use longer and therefore ELDER, which means I don't know what.
Thirty-three: The Prince's Tale - Snape spills.
Thirty-four: The Forest Again - Something of significance in the Dark Forest. Perhaps Grawp?
Thirty-five: King's Cross - No idea, other than the station where the train comes/goes.
Thirty-six: The Flaw in the Plan - Voldemort made a serious mistake that allows Harry to prevail.
Epilogue - Aftermath.

-K

[Khariz]

Nice guesses.

Hallows refers to Cup, Sword, Wand, Coin/Pentacle/Locket though.

As in the Holy Grail, etc etc.

The book is named for the Horcruxes, which are the author's, um, parodies, shall we say for the legendary Hallows.

[SpunGirl]

That's awesome.

-K

[Khariz]

That's awesome.

-K

And it was geeky for me.

As soon as I realized that House relics were the Horcruxes, I about shit myself.

Hufflepuff's Cup
Gryffindor's Sword (not saying this is a Horcrux, necessarily)
That Locket that RAB had.

I nearly peed. It also led me to believe the word Hallows would be in the title, and I was very excited when it was.

[TheEschaton]

can we ban Bob for a week? I was actually pretty upset to see that chapter list.

And the title is so not changed.

[Bobmuhthol]

But nobody has information on the book, I'm obviously lying!

lol, the changed title is only reflected in the first post when you open the thread, owned.

[TheEschaton]

:(

I doubt you're bored enough to sit around making up title names.

And if I find out you are, in a week, then I'll laugh for you actually upsetting me on this. :P

As soon as I clear my head, my conjectures on the title names.

[Bobmuhthol]

http://bobmuhthol.dynalias.net/images/Potter.jpg

[TheEschaton]

One: The Dark Lord Ascending; Obviously Voldemort can move openly now that Dumbledore is dead.

Two: In Memoriam; I think this is probably something Muggle related, as this seems to be the right place for it in the book. Maybe something Petunia has of Lily's?

Three: The Dursleys Departing; I think the peacing out thing is probably right.

Four: The Seven Potters; Harry...two parents...who're the other four? I imagine James's parents? His aunts/uncles?

Five: Fallen Warrior; Something to do with Godric?

Six: The Ghoul in Pajamas; Isn't Peeves dressed in pajamas?

Seven: The Will of Albus Dumbledore; I'm glad to see I was right about Dumbledore having a will.

Eight: The Wedding; Yeah. Bill and Fleur.

Nine: A Place to Hide; This might refer to 12 Grimmauld, since it's still secret, right?

Ten: Kreacher's Tale; Yeah, this is about the locket, I think.

Eleven: The Bribe; Hmmm....no idea.

Twelve: Magic Is Might; A Ministry policy against muggles/half-breeds, etc?

Thirteen: The Muggle-born Registration Commission; yeah, pretty self-explanatory.

Fourteen: The Thief; Definitely Mundungus

Fifteen: The Goblin's Revenge; Definitely the Goblins revolting against the MoM, because of chapter 12.

Sixteen: Godric's Hollow; Harry's visit.

Seventeen: Bathilda's Secret; Bathilda is heretofore unintroduced - the Hufflepuff woman who lost the hufflepuff cup has a name like Hepizabah, or something. I always want to say Hezbollah.

Eighteen: The Life and Lies of Albus Dumbledore; What Dumbledore was wrong about?

Nineteen: The Silver Doe; Someone's Patronus? Wasn't Cho's patronus a doe?

Twenty: Xenophilius Lovegood; Yeah, Luna's father.

Twenty-one: The Tale of the Three Brothers; Hmmmmmmmmmm. Very interesting.

Twenty-two: The Deathly Hallows; Yeah, I think this might have to do with Trelawney and her cards, btw, but I agree with Khariz.

Twenty-three: Malfoy Manor; Nah, I don't think Draco is dead. Perhaps Harry looking for something? The locket that Kreacher took to them?

Twenty-four: The Wandmaker; Ollivander apparently knows something about Rowena Ravenclaw's wand, one of the Horcruxes.

Twenty-five: Shell Cottage; no fucking idea.

Twenty-six: Gringotts; Something hidden at the bank?

Twenty-seven: The Final Hiding Place; of the locket?

Twenty-eight: The Missing Mirror; Hmmm, I think it might have to do with Erised.

Twenty-nine: The Lost Diadem; Very strange....hmmm.

Thirty: The Sacking of Severus Snape; Maybe this refers to Snape being sacked by Voldemort? Remember, he runs away at the end of book 6, I don't think he came back to teach again.

Thirty-one: The Battle of Hogwarts; Yeah, this is gonna be greusome.

Thirty-two: The Elder Wand; Ravenclaw's wand found, destroyed?

Thirty-three: The Prince's Tale; This might be about Snape or his mother.

Thirty-four: The Forest Again; No clue.

Thirty-five: King's Cross; Either the train station, or a very clever reference to Gryffindor's sword.

Thirty-six: The Flaw in the Plan; Harry has to DIE for Voldemort to die too!

Epilogue

Just my prediction.[/QUOTE]


Damn you Bob, for ruining me. :(

[TheEschaton]

GOD DAMNIT BOB.

I say ban him.

[SpunGirl]

Wtf Bob how do you have a book? I just got finished reading about the super-tight security on all the pallets of books being delivered.

-K

[TheEschaton]

I seriously hate you Bob. Literally. I didn't think you should have been banned that last time, but now, yes, I do. Keep that shit to yourself.

[Bobmuhthol]

<<I seriously hate you Bob. Literally. I didn't think you should have been banned that last time, but now, yes, I do.>>

For not saying anything? A chapter list ruins the book for you? It's the first thing you see when you get the copy.

<<Wtf Bob how do you have a book?>>

Magic!

Or the internet. Guy took pictures of every page up to 495 and released it.

[Stanley Burrell]

<<Wtf Bob how do you have a book?>>

Magic!

Or the internet. Guy took pictures of every page up to 495 and released it.

Holy copyright infringement, Batman.

[Numbers]

Link to those pics? (I'm just gonna read the first chapter ... honest!)

[Bobmuhthol]

http://www.mediafire.com/?8m1jbdsfolz

Download at your own discretion, and don't complain that I spoiled it for you if you can't resist temptation.

[SpunGirl]

DON'T POST THEM IT R TOO TEMPTING

-K

[TheEschaton]

God, now that link is gonna haunt me for about 4 days. I won't do it.

[Numbers]

Site must be getting hammered. Can't get the download to keep going.

[Bobmuhthol]

It won't be much better with multiple people downloading from me (my max upload speed is around 40KBps) but if people download one page at a time as they read it probably won't suck terribly.

http://bobmuhthol.dynalias.net/Potter/

[Numbers]

A few torrents of it are posted on Demonoid. Giving that a shot.

[TheEschaton]

And this is me not reading this thread any more.

[Numbers]

Okay, so one chapter turned into 10.

Definitely the real thing. Wonder how that guy managed to get his hands on it. And hasn't he ever heard of a scanner?

[Gan]

I can live with seeing the chapter list. BUT NO MORE!

:ban:

[Kuyuk]

I watched a video on utube and it listed what page people died on :(

Crushed me.




K.

[CrystalTears]

Seriously. WTF. Was that necessary?

[Khariz]

I'm 110 pages in now. Good stuff!

[Miss X]

I'm forcing myself not to read it!

[Khariz]

I'm forcing myself not to read it!

Why? It's the real book, what difference does it make?

Page 161 now.

[Gan]

I may have to take a day off and read the book from start to finish, wrapped up in my comfy throw on the couch. Thats as much of the experience as the actual story.

[Bobmuhthol]

Seriously. WTF. Was that necessary?

If you're referring to my posts in this thread, grow up. That goes for everyone.

[CrystalTears]

It wasn't towards you. YOU grow up as not everything is about you. The person I was talking about knows and edited their post. Relax.

[Bobmuhthol]

Well, your post didn't reference anything directly and is immediately after a bunch of "OMG BOB RUINED MY LIFE" posts. I guess I must think I'm the center of the universe for not realizing exactly what you were talking about. :(

[CrystalTears]

Fair enough, I didn't quote. Mea culpa. But don't throw "grow up" before asking if it was even about you. At least with yours I can ignore the stuff cause it's linked. Everyone IS going a little postal over something they don't have to click to see. The other post, whether it was real info or not, bugged the shit out of me, ergo why he was nice enough to edit.

[Khariz]

If anyone finds the REST of the book let me know. I'm already done reading that part.

[Bobmuhthol]

I should have the rest of the book up in less than an hour.

[Warriorbird]

Cool.

[Bobmuhthol]

It's up.

[Warriorbird]

Thanks man. You just helped me win a bet.

[Bobmuhthol]

rofl, np.

[Khariz]

Thank you Bob, I greatly appreciate this.

[TheEschaton]

And........I'm turning off the internet for 4 days. Well, no, I'm not, but please, don't post anything on these boards. This is the only forum I read, I don't need to read that shit here, or in this thread.

Salon posted a story today too, so it's hitting the mainstream now.

[Khariz]

And........I'm turning off the internet for 4 days. Well, no, I'm not, but please, don't post anything on these boards. This is the only forum I read, I don't need to read that shit here, or in this thread.

Salon posted a story today too, so it's hitting the mainstream now.

I promise I will post no comments or witty remarks about the story line. I want to read it, but I have no desire to spoil anything for anyone.

[Celephais]

I promise I will post no comments or witty remarks about the story line. I want to read it, but I have no desire to spoil anything for anyone.

Having never read any of the Harry Potters, I'm tempted to read this one now so that I can ruin it for people and drink their delicious tears of sorrow...
http://www.dailynugget.com/images/cartman_scott.jpg

[TheEschaton]

If you do, I guarantee your death, non-fatally.

[Gan]

And........I'm turning off the internet for 4 days. Well, no, I'm not, but please, don't post anything on these boards. This is the only forum I read, I don't need to read that shit here, or in this thread.

Salon posted a story today too, so it's hitting the mainstream now.

I saw where the publisher is going after the websites and owners that have the book up without authorization.

That gives credibility to the pre-release versions authenticity. Going to suck for those that get caught though.


http://www.mercurynews.com/breakingnews/ci_6396671

[TheSmooth1]

Words cannot express how utterly impressive this book is.

Not so much the beginning, but the twists, turns and general awesomeness of the ending.

Fucking epilogue though. Should have left it open-ended, I think.

You won't be disappointed.

[TheEschaton]

She didn't want to leave it open-ended, from everything I've heard.


Now I'm really excited. Damn it.

[Warriorbird]

Very nice book. I didn't mind the epilogue so much. For the kids and all.

[Atlanteax]

Is there a new DL link available?

(I remember someone had the 2nd-to-last book competely in text)

Been reading through Bob's pictures (thanks)

[Celephais]

Ruh Roh... http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19816389/?GT1=10150


"There are multiple conflicting versions of what is alleged to be the book," she said. "I am not going to say what's real and what's not real. Nobody is going to be able to tell until they read the real book."

(although I just had a discussion with my friend about "what makes it the real story and why does that matter")

[Bobmuhthol]

lol, I love when people do that when their information gets leaked

"DON'T READ IT IT'S NOT REAL, YOU GOTTA BUY IT!"

[Gan]

Well, for some of us, its a given that the hardback will be bought so it can go on the shelf with the others as a complete collection.

[thefarmer]

Is there a better way to download the pages than one by one?

[Bobmuhthol]

I can zip them if you feel like downloading them, I figured people would just read them right off the site. It won't be a very fast download.

[Bobmuhthol]

Each section is now in a RAR file available for download.

[Khariz]

Just finished it. Pretty good. Epilogue kinda cheesy. Figured that.

Won't spoil...

A.S.P.

[Bobmuhthol]

If anyone that read it could PM me the major details (basically, which major characters live/die and what happens at the end), I'd appreciate it.

[Khariz]

I'll do it. Gimme a few mins.

[TheEschaton]

Dude, was reading an article from Australia earlier today, and they mentioned what happened in the epilogue (WITHOUT WARNING!!!!! FUCKERS).

Anyways, if that epilogue is true. Ugh. That "ugh" is qualified by not having any idea what the previous 780 something pages say.

[Khariz]

Probably true then. The epilogue made my cheese-o-meter go through the roof.

Sigh.

[thefarmer]

Damn. Either I'm getting bad eyes in my old age, or I need a new laptop, I can barely read the pages. It's way, way, way to light for me to make out more than a few words here and there.

That's a pity.

[Khariz]

I don't think I could have done it without my brand new 24" amazing HD monitor that I just got. I full screened the pics and zoomed in a bit on the text.

[Bobmuhthol]

I just messed around with the brightness/contrast on the images and it made them easier to read, you could try getting some software to change your screen settings.

[Bobmuhthol]

OH NOEZ @ CHAPTER 32

[Dwarven Empath]

My wife took the pictures and put them in a slide show. Also, Bob can you PM me and tell me who dies.

Thanks.

Matt/Medi

[TheEschaton]

stfu bob with your chapter 32s

[Trouble]

FYI, I heard on the news this morning that the NYT review will be published today and the CNNHN people said not to read it if you don't want spoilers.

[Drisco]

Damn you bob what about us on dial up! It will take me hours to download the whole book... I say you just type it all out...

[Xaerve]

Damn you bob what about us on dial up! It will take me hours to download the whole book... I say you just type it all out...

OR BUY IT?!! ;)


Edit: Alexisonfire is incredible.

[Drisco]

BUY IT :O Never!! heh I am now at my grandfathers because I just drove here in like 5 Min's doing 140 km the whole way to download the book cause they have high speed.

Ps... Heh I'm going to see the Aerosmith and Alexisonfire concert next week which is awesome because what are the odds they would come to P.E.I CA.?? I'm so pumped its unreal.

[Atlanteax]

I was able to read Bob's picture/book just fine.

Final battle and the epilogue were both rather cheesy. But I think some people will be happy.

Epilogue seems written in a matter so that JK doesn't have to continue the Harry Potter series, but in a way, it leaves things open to possibilities.

[Drew2]

Yeah whichever of you fucks is eating up all the bandwidth, you need to fuck off. I'm trying to read it.

[Drisco]

heh That'd be me:P

[Drew2]

In my frustration I went searching elsewhere and found a typed-out version of chapters 1 - 10.

http://thepiratebay.org/tor/3745494/Harry_Potter_and_the_Deathly_Hallows

Now I can read it on my Sidekick!

It's a torrent and if you don't know how to download them I'm not going to explain it to you.

[Drisco]

I think everyone knows how to download a torrent.

[Gan]

MUST.... RESIST.... THE.... URGE....

From this point forward this thread no longer exists for me!
:spaz:

[Drisco]

Edited: Worded that wrong heh.

What is the best program to view the pages for best quality.

[Khariz]

I think everyone knows how to download a torrent.

I actually never bothered to learn.

I guess I'll figure it out if I ever need to.

[Drew2]

I think everyone knows how to download a torrent.


One of the first rules of any type of system support is to assume the user does not know how to do anything. And 90% of the time, you're right.

[Sean]

That and don't get fired.

[Drew2]

Cute.

[Bobmuhthol]

I left a torrent on while I was sleeping so that might have caused slower downloads. I wanted Fraxplorer, which is more important than Harry Potter.

Torrents off now, download away.

[CrystalTears]

I'm screwed. I got my notice from Amazon that they were prepping the book for shipping and I noticed by default the shipping address is my work one. /whines. I never noticed so I never changed it. I guess I won't have it until Monday. Damnitalltohell!!

[Gan]

Heh

Ive got my copy reserved at the Borders bookstore and will stop by on Saturday and pick it up. :D

[Drew2]

Apparently Kroger is selling them at midnight at 40% retail price, so I'll be getting mine tomorrow night. Ganalon is old.

Oh and I wouldn't know what Borders is if they hadn't just built one down here in my area, Gan.

[TheEschaton]

I got the Amazon notice too. The problem is, I live in an apartment building, and my mailbox is definitely not large enough to hold a 700+ book.

Solution? Sit outside my apartment all morning waiting for the postal person.

[Bobmuhthol]

I don't know what the fuck you guys have done to me, but I'm getting blocked from my own site because "too many people are accessing the Web site."

I'm shutting down for 5 minutes, then it'll be back up.

[Gan]

Apparently Kroger is selling them at midnight at 40% retail price, so I'll be getting mine tomorrow night. Ganalon is old.

Oh and I wouldn't know what Borders is if they hadn't just built one down here in my area, Gan.

Mine is at a discount as well since I reserved a copy. I'm paying ~20 bucks for it instead of the retail 30something.

And I lied, its a Barnes & Noble, not a Borders Bookstore that I'm picking it up from. I always get the two confused until I'm looking at them from the parking lot.

Yea I'm old. And soon, you will be too. :p

[TheEschaton]

Mine was 17.99 from Amazon ,but I have to wait for it til Saturday morning. The lines at the NYC stores are already forming, though, so I don't really feel like getting it at midnight anyways.

HARRY POTTER DAY, YAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY.

[Monica]

I sat in line at Borders this morning, and was out of there an hour later with my wristband to buy my pre-reserved book at midnight tonight. The first person in line got there last night at midnight, little did they know that the wristbands aren't numbered. They're having us line up tonight according to groups. I'm in group "C". Not bad for getting there a half hour before they started handing the bands out.

[Celephais]

I don't know what the fuck you guys have done to me, but I'm getting blocked from my own site because "too many people are accessing the Web site."

I'm shutting down for 5 minutes, then it'll be back up.

XP Pro IIS server? It has a limit in the number of connections, something like 20, and a single IE window will frequently hold 2 of those connections at a time (far more if you try to incorporate ajax)... completely balls situation and entirely the reason I had to install a real server OS. (all the "hacks" to fix this are really unstable)

[Bobmuhthol]

Yep. IIS tends to annoy me, but it was my first server package, so I just can't bear to make the change to Apache.

[Miss X]

OMG back from the store and I have my copy!!!!

[Nieninque]

I went to get a copy from Waterstones, but the queue was forever, so I said fuck it, I'll get it in the morning.

[Stretch]

Someone took the time to type out the whole damn thing. Synchs up with the version that Bobmuhthol posted.

http://rapidshare.com/files/44057740/NXSHP7.zip.html

[TheEschaton]

Vic, remember, we still have 3 1/2 hours to go.

[TheEschaton]

Stretch, those downloads are password encrypted.

I've caved, I figure it's released across the world, why not?

[StrayRogue]

Haha, as I walked to the pub last night there were a load of noobs stood outside Waterstones. I took immense pleasure, thanks to the PC's spoilers, of informing all of them of HP's future. HAHAHA. Nobheads.

At least now the planet can get onto the next stupid fad.

[TheEschaton]

You're an idiot.

Halfway through. Bed time. Finish it in the morning.

[StrayRogue]

No, I have immense taste. Hence why I don't go in for utter drivel. Ie, Harry Potter books.

[thefarmer]

Harry Potter Must Die.

This is the truth.

I've just spent 18hrs at work (very high volume B&N) dealing with this book. I've had to deal with the parties and Harry mania every since they started back with book three. I'm glad it's over.

Don't get me wrong, I love the fact that it's encouraged kids to read. In my opinion, most kids don't read enough. Manga doesn't count. Most of the US stuff is shit anyway. I also love the fact that it's something the whole family can get into. I don't know how many familes I took pictures of for the store's album that were ALL dressed up. Father, mother, various children, all decked out in Potter gear.

I simply hate the hassle I have to deal with. Complaining adults, whining teens, puking kids, screaming babies. Herds and herds and herds of people...

The only good thing about the hassle is all the really hot (legal-aged) chicks that dress up in their Potter costumes... and look like catholic school girls.

[Back]

The only good thing about the hassle is all the really hot (legal-aged) chicks that dress up in their Potter costumes... and look like catholic school girls.

rofl! I was busy all day but caught a restaurant tv on CNN that showed the dressed up fans on line. I was waiting for Triumph the comic dog to show up.

It does not get much funnier than this... http://www.milkandcookies.com/link/2536/detail/

[Nieninque]

No, I have immense taste. Hence why I don't go in for utter drivel. Ie, Harry Potter books.

"Hi, My name is Strayrogue. I am extremely grown up and mature and dont read silly immature things as childrens books with wizards and goblins.

Anyone fancy a game of dungeons and dragons?"

[StrayRogue]

Yes because I am sure you can distinguish between trash with two dimensional characters and flimsy plots and actual classic literature. I imagine HP has been the first book you've read since Spot the Dog.

[Nieninque]

We cant all be geniuses at everything we do Stay. We all pale into insignificance in your shadow.

/worship

[StrayRogue]

Of course not. Thats why people like you get into fads. Heck I bet you even had a shell suit when they were in fashion.

[Nieninque]

Nah...thats a northern monkey fad...we have better taste down here.

[Bobmuhthol]

Ugh. I promised myself I'd cut access to the book after it was released but people are still downloading it as I'm typing this, and I have a pretty liberal file sharing policy.

[TheEschaton]

I am finished.

[Gan]

First trailer is out.

http://www.imdb.com/video/imdb/vi1638598169/


:)

[CrystalTears]

I can't wait!

[Kuyuk]

Me either... also, the leaked trailer was better than that one.

[TheEschaton]

Oh man, Emma Watson has turned into a stone cold fox.

[Gnomad]

Trailer is complete shit, still excited.

[AnticorRifling]

When is that girl with the scar going on her forhead going to get contacts?

[Drisco]

Loony Lovegood is my favorite hands down.

[radamanthys]

Loony Lovegood is my favorite hands down.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_g-xTa3Zhnd8/Sn2_pNKBuoI/AAAAAAAAKxA/-n8yN5TOgp8/s400/Luna-Lovegood.jpg

Here's a gift for you, then.

[Cephalopod]

(long ago established as fake, but that girl IS cute)

[Kuyuk]

The real girl should pose then, to prove it is a fake.

Also, so should emma watson.

[ElvenFury]

I'm debating on whether or not to get for the 360. You know... for the kids.

http://www.wiinintendo.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/3392653779_ae2c9d04fe_o.jpg

[Cephalopod]

I'm debating on whether or not to get for the 360. You know... for the kids.

http://www.wiinintendo.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/3392653779_ae2c9d04fe_o.jpg

I have heard rumors that I now own this game. Will confirm when I get home.

[Caiylania]

I feel no shame in loving the books. Each movie has been hit or miss. Love some, annoyed by some. We shall see on this one.

[Gan]

30 days and counting.

http://www.blast-o-rama.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/hp7-teaser-poster.jpg


2nd Trailer:

http://www.imdb.com/video/imdb/vi2799962393/

[Kuyuk]

Yes. I have a boner for it.

Bringing my foreign girl with me to the midnight showing!

[Cephalopod]

Yes. I have a boner for it.

Bringing my foreign girl with me to the midnight showing!

How much was it to get her into the country?

[MotleyCrew]

How much was it to get her into the country?

Not much I imagine to ship a 12" x 8" x 3" box and he had the air pump at home already.